secret thing

[ivory ridge]

don't like lot in b0 minion game

[next marlin]

And also on town's ability to interpret math numbers

[ivory ridge]

it can be incredibly vote swingy

[fast anchor]

if you're running the fish advice he's gonna get a secret mission that outs the whole evil team

[next marlin]

Anyway I couldn't turn him because boffin was his pick and you need to pick for someone else and the remaining minions were 6 barons

[fast anchor]

LMAO

[next marlin]

Alternatively psycho or mastermind

And I think psycho would've been worse

[next marlin]

Also no I'm the gambler confirming the entire good team, get it right

[fast anchor]

my mistake king sorry

[next marlin]

also: I rolled a grim that had me innkeeper and hystrex gambler, misclicked and cleared it, rerolled, and got me gambler and hystrex innkeeper

[sharp violet]

you're welcome

[foggy grotto]

I CANT ESCAPE IT

i’ve been cannibal a disproportionate amount of times more than any other character in the entire game

and yeah it’s popular on customs but so is pixie and i’ve only been pixie once

[next marlin]

I don't think I have an overrepresented character but somehow

1. until very recently I'm almost always good, it's finally finally balancing back out
2. if I'm evil in a game where vigor is onscript there's about an 80% chance it's the in-play demon

also the only face up outsiders I am capable of ever drawing are saint, recluse, and klutz

no others

[foggy grotto]

damn that’s not fun

I got lucky it took me like three months of playing this game to ever draw an outsider token

[next marlin]

I got recluse in my first game 🔥 (the "new player always imp" meta saw me but recluse misregistered as imp)

[feral snow]

I get recluse a lot online

[dense hound]

if im a minion im usually poisoner

[foggy grotto]

12/31 What are the funniest Bone Collector interactions with any character, on or off script?

[sour harness]

Zealot

The zealot must vote if the BC has woken and isn't dead

Doesn't matter who they chose or if they even spent

This means zealot is -1 dead vote

[next marlin]

Classic answers: Mutant, Damsel

[sour harness]

Wait bone collected harlot is hilarious

[next marlin]

Snake Charmer also

They just lose

[sour harness]

Yeah but that's less funny in practice

Unless heretic

[next marlin]

And they can't self-pick

[sour harness]

Wait wait

Bone collected philo heretic

Does the heretic ability go away??

[next marlin]

Bone collected matron after town exiles the matron out of frustration

(can also apply to voudon and bishop)

[zenith lotus]

i think so

it would be a new instance of the philo, right?

[sour harness]

I assume so yeah

[barren zenith]

Cult Leader

[fresh shard]

Surprised nobody has mentioned Fang Gu

[gusty bear]

bone collecter in play with a vigorkilled marionette

fang gu/bc doesn't work

unless you mean using it as +1 kill

[fresh shard]

Has there been a definite ruling that not being able to die because you're already dead prevents a jump?

[zenith lotus]

yes? the fang gu does need to be able to die

and if you're dead you cant die

[gusty bear]

you need to die to jump

and stuff like monk/fg stops fg from jumping

[ivory ridge]

ok but

[fresh shard]

Ok so: Bone Collected Lunatic who thought they were a Zombuul

[ivory ridge]

fang gu evil twin evil bone collector pit hag

is

certainly an interaction, of time

[gusty bear]

does nothing, zombuul lunatic still wakes (copium)

[feral snow]

lol snake charmer is funny

You can’t even choose yourself to get around it

Oh a really funny one

Juggler

[gusty bear]

only choose the snake charmer claim if you hate them

juggler bc is just a thing i see people do

[fresh shard]

Isn't that one specifically kludged in the almanac

[next marlin]

Bone collected juggler has a ruling and can easily solve a game (because a midgame juggle is insane) but you need to spend an execution on it if you want to do it on purpose and the bone collector is not immune to demons

[feral snow]

Oh they straight up cheat in that ruling lol

The dead juggler can’t juggle while dead RAW

But the example says otherwise

[fresh shard]

Yeah it's like philo SC where it is essentially jinxed but they don't call it a jinx

[feral snow]

Oh awesome

[ivory ridge]

oh what are the ruling?

[foggy grotto]

juggler says "on your 1st day", meaning the first day they have their ability, meaning they have to be bone collected, juggle on that day, and then by then theyve lost their ability

iirc

[ivory ridge]

so ur saying I can bone collect a philo

[feral snow]

Yeah but the bone collector wiki disagrees

[foggy grotto]

dang nabbit

[feral snow]

The almanac says you can juggle while dead and learn the answer if collected at night

[tacit fiber]

LETS GOOOOOOO I GOT FIISH

[lean isle]

Pukka with no NWM ability

(or I guess it's reminder that there's Boffin-NWM )

[ivory ridge]

yes sir o7

i find boffin nwm super cool because

no one gonna solve it's a boffin script

[gray ridge]

Evil bone collector on good goon

Psychopath 🔥

[foggy grotto]

wait how does that work actually

does it turn them evil or was their ability not active yet when picked

[gray ridge]

Some people run that it turns

Some dont

Depends on the st

[ivory ridge]

hear me out:
d1: town execute the fang gu
n2: pit hag change themselves into the vortox/nodashi/vigor. no death
n3: bone collector collect fang gu, fang gu jump into an outsider

now we have 2 alive evil demon + 1 twin set up

[indigo osprey]

Confirmed it doesn’t work

Fang gu needs to die for the jump, a dead player can’t die so no jump, just a kill

[shrewd cloud]

Iirc hasn’t Edd (when he was working for TPI) said that it’s intended for that to cause a jump? I don’t like the ruling at all as it’s very clearly not RAW but it wouldn’t be the first time TPI has supported a non-RAW ruling

Since I’m pretty sure they’ve also said it’s intended for an Apprentice at the very start of the game to modify setup if it has like, the Godfather’s ability, even though the ability text explicitly says they only gain their ability that night

[ivory ridge]

same

i mean sure for balance reason but

[indigo osprey]

I don’t think so

[shrewd cloud]

#rules-discussion message

Found it

[indigo osprey]

That language to me is ‘no, but I’d allow it’

[shrewd cloud]

He says he doesn’t feel like RAW can confirm it either way (which I disagree with but alas)

Either way there’s a strong argument certain members of TPI support allowing this, including Steven himself

[hollow oasis]

Time Vortex Fixed: 1/1

When a ||wizard wishes for chaos||, what happens?

(spoiler inside)

[sour harness]

bonk go to specspoiler jail

[hollow oasis]

I LITERALLY PUT A SPOLIER WARNING

HOW

[sour harness]

Ur trying to make this the secret thing question right

[dense moat]

The player with the 2nd most votes is expected instead of the 1st most

[hollow oasis]

holy heck

that is a GREAT answer

[hollow oasis]

someone make an alternate reality

Time Vortex Fixed: 1/1-A
When a wizard wishes for chaos, what happens?
(wizard released lol)

Time Vortex Broke again, damnit 1/1-B What are you famous for?(in our botc discord)

[sour harness]

||welcome to day 1 of a leviathan game. All fabled characters are in play.||

[dense hound]

||obviously you rack a second game of some quantum clocktower to decide who wins||

||you play both at the same time||

[hollow oasis]

||perfection||

[hollow oasis]

5d Secret thing with multiverse time travel

[fast anchor]

many things

[feral snow]

The philo klutz incident

[fast anchor]

• having #2 rep
• being the only double cyan on this server (community-endorsed in both live voice and long text)
• being one of the livetext minions
• my specific brand of running longtext (do you like graph paper?)
• having terrible opinions
• possibly miss register though maybe it's just kenoboi and kamekura who like it

oh and possibly for being a woman

[dense hound]

idt im famous, if i am it's like d-tier

[fast anchor]

idk if i'm famous for that though

[feral snow]

Whatever is hardest to solve for while not being completely unsolvable

Or abilities mega op

Slayer kills anyone for example

Or just straight up make a pit hag

[next marlin]

1. vatiwall of text
2. unintentional dominion over #sects-and-violets
3. good vortox incident

people sometimes allude more things but these are the ones I recognize as people associating them with me

[barren zenith]

Nothing

[ivory ridge]

this made me realized i've not contribute anything in this server

so the other question it is

[next marlin]

insider info on squall

[ivory ridge]

not the wiretap

squall is like

definitely a person of time

[supple dirge]

I hope I don't have a reputation on this server lol

[sour harness]

• world's #2 SnV addict
• horrid livetext shenanigans
• people come to me in particular for script advice?? The amount of DMs I've received for both custom and homebrew is crazy (not that I mind lol)
• and of course,

JANK JANK JANK JANK

[dense moat]

Constellation (the repository of homebrew characters), a character collection, STing often, doing homebrew in longtext, and maybe also being a woman

[sour harness]

Not the 8 savants game?

[foggy grotto]

that one “slayer shoot this guy” gif that’s my life achievement

[zenith lotus]

eh, not that much. i suppose the only thing that could really be of note is having a cursed script (not cursed as in bad, cursed as in cursed). whenever i try to run SCFTG in livetext everyone leaves 😦

[sour harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845749635016556617/1207720780276826212/caption.gif

[karmic rose]

1a. ||A minion and the demon get a free barber swap, and then I blast WAP x Giornos theme during the night phase for the rest of the game||

1b. Probably nothing, and hopefully not the stinky script I'm about to solicit feedback on

[barren zenith]

I'll play it if you run it at a reasonable time for GMT+0

[pseudo fulcrum]

Spoiler docs
Bigwig
Creator of Shoe Eater
Making summaries of every Interview and QnA in existence

[tacit fiber]

Liking Homebrew

[flat lintel]

• helping start livetext
• running first bad version game
• those atheist games series
• having a weird brain
• co-creating day by day

[feral snow]

Thank you

[copper quail]

Bluffing savant too much

[feral snow]

I basically doxx myself lol

[ivory ridge]

nooooo i don't even know who you are 🥺

ur not consider doxxed until i have your linkedin 😔

[feral snow]

I’m surprised you don’t have it already you know my full name

[ivory ridge]

i do, since like 2 months ago

[sour harness]

full name: Squall Four

there i did it

[flat lintel]

how are you so good at it

[copper quail]

I don't know if I am particulary good at it, but it is a challenging bluff and I like it!
I think the hardest challenge was bluffing Savant in one of Eevee's game because her statements are really good 🙈
But often to choose my statements, I look at the grim and see what can I do with what I know and trying to not close too many worlds while still pushing on some

Oh probably the hardest was actually Besjbo's amnes game when I had to bluff a savant like with future statements when I had no idea about what was happening in the game

[next marlin]

I think that's one of the other things, like CC, that people recognise but I don't realise they recognise
But also I think you recognise it more than most people

[gusty bear]

what am I famous for?

[sour harness]

yeah ok

[sour harness]

Babytalk!

[pseudo fulcrum]

and creating this thread!

[flat lintel]

oh ye!! 😄

[shrewd cloud]

Idk lol, just a dude. I do tend to be more active in other BoTC servers compared to here, including one that’s resulted in a bonkers series of text BoTC games with an incredibly stupid running storyline

Someday they will be treasured /s

[fast anchor]

it is day one of a leviathan game; all fabled are in play

[sour harness]

This is just part of me now isn't it

[hollow oasis]

I mean

Y’all know what my answer is

(Legion)

[fast anchor]

you're famous for having bad taste and bad opinions /j

:P

[gray ridge]

Nothing (I barely talk outside this thread)

[next marlin]

loving "#2", also

[next marlin]

I recognize you because you're an app player and I recognize quite a lot of the people who said "nothing" but I'm not sure for what

I think mostly just for having various kinds of interesting Posts

[hollow oasis]

Man

[ivory ridge]

app players aren't real

[hollow oasis]

We do

Exist

[ivory ridge]

i always miss app games

[hollow oasis]

join my legion games

[ivory ridge]

i want to try app games sometimes but i keep, fucking, miss

[hollow oasis]

Then wait tbh

Do smth else for a bit

Legion awaits

[ivory ridge]

dies

[hollow oasis]

But seriously

[ivory ridge]

oh you should run the script i made the other day

[hollow oasis]

I’ve made people who hate legion like it

[ivory ridge]

i think it's an...ok legion script

[hollow oasis]

Show me…

[ivory ridge]

didn't we work on it together 😭

[hollow oasis]

I no remember

[stable latch]

For outing way too many peoples roles by accident

[fast anchor]

Amazing, I identify my gender in literally every way possible and you still get it wrong xD (not mad, lighthearted)

[hollow oasis]

as in Aww Man

Not you are a man

Or I’m going to blame it on the English language

[stable latch]

I apologise specifically to @lunar sable for this…

[hollow oasis]

I want to see that grim

[flat lintel]

istg vati is some memory vault

i want to prove this

[vale oxide]

The number 7 (weird livetext thing)
True or False (only in livetext)
For playing a lot of livetext

[karmic slate]

• Ride the Cyclone
• ST’ing/Playing in Live
• Mod stuff I guess
• The currently on pause due to holiday life Monday Scheduleds
• Something Secret

[coarse fern]

I’m probably golem’s #1 fan so I’ll go with that
Also I’m Jodie (for some people)

[lunar sable]

Every dam game XD

[lunar sable]

Choosing to philo into poli in a legion game
Mutant mad as a leech in a Organ gridner/vizer script. (killed alot of people)
Always being evil
Fake evil twins with @little portal Anychance we get

[acoustic chasm]

• China Shop
• Being a recent killer croc in longtext games.

I think that's it!

[fast anchor]

i wouldn't even say recent - maybe relatively so but even before you were gathering more information you were worldbuilding up a storm

[acoustic chasm]

pfff

My first game was occums-razor-is-a-lie

longtext game

that feels recent to me, but I guess its several months ago

yeah that was may

huh

8 months ago

oh yes and 1 of the reason another Autumn is now 'cat Autumn' while I'm 'croc Autumn'

[flat lintel]

what does the latter entail?

[fast anchor]

being good at clocktower (so sorry nexus that's not in the cards for you :P)

[flat lintel]

FRICK MAN

how am i still bad at this

[tall raft]

Here Lies Tom Thumb (which I really ought to convince someone to run again)
Being partially involved in everything the discord has to do
Talking?
Not quite sure other than that

[karmic slate]

Oooh yeah where’s the link to HLTT I’m intrigued

[dense moat]

(did that quickly)

[karmic slate]

Thanks!

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @dense moat (current: #13 - 1041)

[dense moat]

1/2: A BOTC character has just won an indeterminately large amount of money & wants to take a vacation. Where do they go? What is their vacation like?

Vegas. Gets a fancy suite & probably loses most of the money they won (too much gambling)

[feral snow]

breakfast buffet

[sour harness]

bakery

[hollow oasis]

The goddamn moon

[shrewd cloud]

The high seas, matey

[cold veldt]

arby’s

[ivory ridge]

harpy no way

[dense moat]

Wherever everyone else wants to go

[ivory ridge]

flower shop

[shrewd cloud]

free access to a morgue

[dense moat]

actually this could be Empath

[cold veldt]

Snitch is going to america to notify the FBI

[supple dirge]

needs to go in witness protection lol

[cold veldt]

TRUUUUEEEEEE

[shrewd cloud]

(Idk if it looks like Snitch getting stabbed in the back but I guess we’ll see)

Eh sort of

[ivory ridge]

give all their cash to a nigerian prince

[dense moat]

A week-long trip, compelete with timetables of everything they plan to do

[cold veldt]

far far away

[dense moat]

A romantic cruise with their lover

[tall raft]

That was fast

[tall raft]

It’s also in custom scripts if you need the json

[coarse fern]

wonderland

[supple dirge]

A real fancy wine tour. 3 days and 3 nights

[barren zenith]

somewhere that's rly dangerous

[sharp violet]

takes their family on a cruise in the Caribbean

[foggy grotto]

nah that’s the

would just stay in their hut and complain about the money

[alpine silo]

as many country's capitals as possible

[hollow oasis]

Goes church shopping

Also goes church shopping

(They’re in a bidding war every time)

[acoustic chasm]

Well it starts by getting onto a plane, but then the plane turns into a cruise ship and then it begins to snow and its night for some reason. They meet a friend at this night who they haven't seen for 10 years with a famous TV show celebrity, and then suddenly they're in the wild west on a train. Then they rob a lot of money on the train and they get on some horses. They get chased by the police for robbing money but then they start a farm and the whole chase sequence melts away.

It ends with them on a farm and its really warm.

[stable latch]

to the marvel universe before waking up and realising theyre in a mental asylum

[feral snow]

Regarding yesterday’s two part question you are now free to uncensor it as it refers to the wizard

[hollow oasis]

already done

[tacit fiber]

all players become minions

[sharp violet]

Effect: Each night, all players become the role of their nearest living player of the same alignment as them in the counterclockwise direction
Price: All future wizards are drunk. (edit: if too weak, add ", unless they are you.")
Clue: All players are told their new character whenever it changes (aka no changes from base rules)

[primal crescent]

Homebrewing and having strong opinions about said homebrewing

[primal crescent]

“The Lleech has chosen. Axo, would you like to be the Lleech host? Nerdguy, would you li-”

[hollow oasis]

This is great

[hollow oasis]

1/3: Wish for a wizard wish(The curse has been lifted!)

I shall balance all

[dense hound]

I wish for all future messages containing wishes to say "Butler sucks"

[hollow oasis]

Granted, but you are now mad that butler is the best role in Blood on the Clocktower, or might be executed/become the butler

[dense hound]

well of course it is

[hollow oasis]

Indeed

[fresh shard]

I wish that the phrase "butler sucks" counts as the Yaggababble phrase when spoken by anyone

[coarse fern]

I’d think of a super cool wish but I can’t because butler sucks

[fast anchor]

I wish we had a better question that didn't slander a perfectly serviceable outsider by saying Butler sucks

[ivory ridge]

I wish that you wake up a player each night and ask if they think butler suck. If they do, turn them into butler

butler is a cool character and i stand by it

ok it's not that cool, it's kinda mid. but in term of outsiders it is pretty cool

[next marlin]

I think an underrated very cool characteristic of the "blankish token" outsiders (butler, snitch, etc) is that if you roll them you know ignoring outsider mod that this role is in play instead of a more damaging outsider, i.e. your existence makes things better for town than they would otherwise be (and even with positive outsider mod, that you're still one of 3 less-damaging-than-they-could-be outsiders)

Notably butler is on its homescript with baron which makes this harder to rule and a lot of people noticeably only run butler in base 2 baron

[sharp violet]

I wish that 3 players gained the Butler ability, but amended so they pick 2 people and must match with both because butler sucks and this makes it more damaging

(The price is that one of those players is evil)

[dense moat]

I wish that each in-play Outsider would receve a vaccum cleaner. Since it is only the Butler, it is logical that the Butler sucks

[karmic rose]

[Context: when playing irl, our group often has an informal poll on a whiteboard, added by whomever during downtime]

I wish that our informal poll on the whiteboard asks about the best TB outsider, and something bad might happen to any player who implies that the butler sucks

[hollow oasis]

Granted

[hollow oasis]

(Did you see the downside i gave to the dude saying butler sucks)

[foggy grotto]

I wish people would stop saying "the butler sucks"

[hollow oasis]

Granted

Finally the curse is lifted

[hollow oasis]

Granted, but they know each other are butlers

[dense hound]

Wow so you arent even adding a price to that person undoing my wish? :((((((((

[sharp violet]

That’s a good clue

[hollow oasis]

It’s lasted 10 hours

Games over

[dense hound]

you shoulda said granted and then immediately asked todays question

[hollow oasis]

Lol

[foggy grotto]

oh i dont wanna undo the wish i just want people to like the butler as a character

[sharp violet]

The butler as a character is great, the butler as a gameplay piece could be better

[dense hound]

I actually think the opposite

The butler serves the job it's supposed to serve adequetely, I just don't find it particularly interesting or fun

[ivory ridge]

[37/24/2023]: It's time to practice Wizard wish granting! The rules of today's secret thing are as follow:

Someone will start by posting a Wizard wish. Whoever comes next have to reply with how they are going to grant the wishes, including its price and a clue to its nature, if you want there to be one! Afterward, that person will post their own Wizard wish, and the cycle repeat!

If you want to add additional context of the wish, feels free to post a grim or a script to clarify it. If you think the wish shouldn't be grant, write an explanation of why but sometimes it's obvious why. I encourage everyone to wish for something interesting and not just 'I wish to be [on-script Minion]' or 'I wish Evil win', that way we get more experience on handling Wizard wishes.

I'll start first.
'I wish that all Outsiders become the Politician' on Night 2. (it's 12 players game with standard Minion count and +1 Outsiders. Politician is off-script)

[coarse fern]

I would make one of the politicians drunk and tell them they are drunk. I would also announce that there is a politician on the script temporarily. Not experienced with wizard at all but that feels fairly balanced

My wish:
“I wish that each evil player has a townsfolk ability of their choice.”
It’s a 12 player game of BMR and it is day 2 with nobody dead

[foggy grotto]

Wish granted, but a good player gets a minion ability of their choice

pretty simple catch but hopefully fun

and kinda like a built in clue

My wish: I want all players to be cerenovus mad as the amnesiac

[next vault]

Lasts only one day, doesnt seem as strong

My wish: (On Night 1) I want to make 2 (good) players that I've chosen mad that they are in a (insert role)-Evil Twin pair for the rest of the game

[acoustic chasm]

That one is difficult to do

Wish Granted
I would on a phone explain to both players what they need to do, or that they will both be executed. The player that succeeds in executing the other can break madness.

Price/Clue: Clearly some information here is being lost by these two players being mad. I will publicly announce at the start of each day what information they gained during the day and night, without revealing who got this information.

I wish for players to close their eyes while voting, and that the player with the least votes is executed.

[next vault]

I think giving out their info outloud confirms them and the point is kinda lost

The idea of this wish is to cause as much confusion as possible in town

[next vault]

unless you say like 1 and 2 or whatever without their role being known

[acoustic chasm]

Two players are mad as a specific character. The storyteller is announcing fortune teller yesses and Fisherman information but not saying why they are announcing this, or who got that information

I think that is confusing

[stable latch]

I think that’s very funny, good morning town. DONT TRUST THE OUTSIDERS…

[acoustic chasm]

Good morning town. James and Oliver are a yes!

[next vault]

Oh yeah

that makes more sense

other than

"James and Oliver are in an FT YES"

[acoustic chasm]

yea its a clue and a price

its not there to confirm the two maddened players

but if they break they can be. or you can steal the credit

again, madness wizard is difficult

[fast anchor]

Cost: You and a fellow evil player are mad you're in a (bluff)-twinpair for the rest of the game, or might be executed

Clue: A good player learns there is no ET in play

[acoustic chasm]

if you just said to fool two players into being in a twin pair that is easier

[stable latch]

Good morning town, Baron

[next marlin]

thematically perfect though

[fast anchor]

Good morning town, confused shrug, thumbs down, shows town the "it's joever" meme

[stable latch]

The General is just
Good morning town, good

Love that so much

[fast anchor]

this is how I run general even online lmao

but general is best suited for irl play where you can do stupid shit like this

[stable latch]

I think the best one is alchemist godfather, good morning town, puzzlemaster, lunatic, recluse

[acoustic chasm]

Later on

Good morning town, who would you like to kill?

[stable latch]

Oh real

[next marlin]

working out the funniest set of outsiders for this

[next vault]

😓

[next marlin]

alch gf is best in general with "go fuck yourself" outsiders

[stable latch]

Lovely

[next marlin]

"good morning town, drunk, politician"

[next vault]

drunk politician 🤣

[next marlin]

the poli when I rolled philo

[next vault]

heretic

[stable latch]

Heretic, Damsel, Hatter

[next vault]

ngl if im giving them the heretic

[next marlin]

run the heretic spidowfather jinx that doesn't really exist

if they come to trust the alch it's a weird conf chain

[next vault]

the point of GF Heretic jynx is to avoid the evil team from finding out that there's a Heretic

[next marlin]

and alch gf is extremely bluffable so it's a super risky trust

[next vault]

But AlchGF Heretic is ok

[next vault]

every alch is bluffable

[next marlin]

(showing the actual heretic as the actual heretic is a bit too much because alch gf is one of those flowergirl-likes that's balanced by being insanely bluffable)

[next marlin]

not really, bluffing most alches is a trap

[next vault]

alch goblin

[next marlin]

you have to play very hard for town in a way that outs you if you're an actual minion

but scripts where alch gf is interesting in the first place are scripts where a real gf can veeeeery easily manipulate their real info to frame people and make "easily confirmable" false worlds

(e.g. adding drunks or polis to what they actually learned in order to both discredit real info and frame worlds with fang gu/xaan/etc in play)

[next vault]

yeah

also

with stuff like damsel, you can definitely hide one

[dry sluice]

Real Wizard wish from last night: a Wizard wished to be the Devil's Advocate (with no way to survive execution on script).

[acoustic chasm]

huh

[indigo osprey]

sure, go right ahead

in exchange: make someone the pacifist or tea lady

[fast anchor]

tbh, I don't think that needs a major cost

it's a little stronger than a Minion ability, because it's an actual (albeit off-script) Minion that is public

[indigo osprey]

making someone an outsider (pacifist) is hardly a cost :x

[ivory ridge]

pacifist is a strong townsfolk 😔

[naive flame]

I been pinged

What's going on.

[naive flame]

I was 🪄 in livetext

I went for "I Wish that all Evil players become Drunk tonight", got granted and that did not help at all... 😦

Also I was pinged here.

[naive flame]

||No....not this again..||

[naive flame]

||Claimed publicly d1||

[ivory ridge]

so you want a pd-og + reverse voting? hmmm
price: when an evil player is executed, everyone can open their eye and vote are count normally again.
clue: no clue

because the vote tally are not kept a secret, after a day, everyone will know that the least voted person is executed

they can even figure it out during the day "autumn is on block with 3 vote? but mizu got 6 vote!"

[hollow oasis]

I wish for all of the evil to team to gain the pacifist and golem abilities in addition to their own

[feral snow]

Granted, you lose these abilities when only 3 players live

[hollow oasis]

I’ll take it

(Btw it’s solo Lleech as exe survival)

[feral snow]

Oh that’s hilarious

[hollow oasis]

Yep

[coarse notch]

I wish for a good player to register as evil and an evil player to register as good for the rest of the game

[sour harness]

They do so by changing alignments

(that's prob too far, but it's funny)

[feral snow]

Granted, a sober village idiot learns their alignment in addition to whoever they choose that night

[sharp violet]

I am the Alch-Wizard

I wish that if Evil would win due to there being exactly 2 living players, for those 2 players to play a different game (they must both know how to play it) and the team of whoever wins that game wins this game.

[feral snow]

Granted, in final 3 the good player about to die becomes a Psychopath

[rocky idol]

so what have i stumbled upon here

[feral snow]

Every day someone asks a question and we all answer it

[feral snow]

Here is todays

[sour harness]

have you not secret thinged before??

[rocky idol]

never actually

[sour harness]

crazy

[supple dirge]

Its pretty secret

[tall raft]

It's day 2
Wizard has wished for the outed poppygrower to be revived and sobered

Engineer should be used btw

[feral snow]

does that do anything mechanically other than a revive? i don't think so

wait is this alch wiz?

oh no alch widow i see

granted, no price

this barely helps evil at all

chaotic game btw

[tall raft]

It unlocks poppygrower and means less of a cost?

But yes, that wish was tempered quite a bit

[feral snow]

wdym unlocks

[tall raft]

PG died poisoned

[feral snow]

oh

good luck convincing them to ever execute the revived good player in a leviathan game

[tall raft]

That's not evils fault, is it

[feral snow]

no its not

[tall raft]

Sucks to be them

[feral snow]

i'm saying that wish doesnt help much so i grant it with no consequences

[karmic rose]

"I wish for each Fabled to be used at least once before the end of the game"

[hollow oasis]

i can't rerack the game

[foggy grotto]

i’d rather die than play with Buddhist

[fast anchor]

Skill issue

Let new players have fun

[coarse fern]

Wish granted but Kenoboi is instantly nominated by a golem

[feral snow]

[1/5] Same question as yesterday, but this time it’s an Alchemist Wizard. Give your best good-team wish and let someone else give the price and clue!

[hollow oasis]

No seriously

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE GARDENER BEFORE THE END OF THE GAME

[foggy grotto]

this one was actually done recently, pretty fun: I wish for myself and an evil player to learn a question about the gamestate (ex: who is the drunk?) If I can answer it first, the other player’s role and alignment is publicly outed

[feral snow]

Ooh

Granted, but if evil guesses it first, the demon acts twice/thrice tonight (depending on demon)

[valid garden]

I wish that the town publicly gets a piece of fisherman advice each morning

[sour harness]

That's so devious, the good team will meta that it's bad advice 😭

No need to add a cost or clue tho

[acoustic chasm]

I wish that when a player dies, the Storyteller gives a clue to the player's character.

[feral snow]

Granted, in traditional Clocktower style, I keep the message ambiguous so it could be one of many characters, some evil

[supple dirge]

I wish to learn the demon bluffs

[sour harness]

These are wizard wishes, not alch wiz wishes, right???

[acoustic chasm]

alch wizard

[sour harness]

Oh

[acoustic chasm]

this

[sour harness]

Wait ok that makes much more sense then lol

[sour harness]

Wait I think we need a cost for that one then

[zenith lotus]

I wish that every good player gains the second clause of the mayor ability

[indigo osprey]

lol

[sour harness]

You learn 6 good characters, including the demon bluffs

And the evil team learns those 6 chars too

[feral snow]

Granted, this is funny

[sharp violet]

Granted, for each living evil player one good player is drunk during the day (you should always make roles that don't act during the day the drunk ones if possible, this makes it so the mayor stuff only works if final 3 is 2 goods and the Demon)

[zenith lotus]

its the second clause

not the mayor win, the mayor bounce

[sharp violet]

oh

i mixed up which clause was which

i thought the bounce was before the wincon

[sharp violet]

I wish to see the Grimoire, but all evil characters are replaced with good characters

[strong verge]

granted, you'll be shown a token for each player, but not who they belong to? &/or maybe an evil player is getting the pit hag's ability
(i'm looking at this chat rn for wizard practice)

I wish for night order to be reversed

[feral snow]

This is just alch spy jinx lmao I love it

[feral snow]

Ooh granted. night order is reversed for one night.

What sort of script is this because it affects how I make the cost

[hollow oasis]

this is mass dreamer

[sharp violet]

this is mass monk

[strong verge]

Let's just say something similar to wizard release script

[feral snow]

Granted, other minions act twice tomorrow

[strong verge]

Would you rule that that affects a boffin ability too? If, let's say, they were being given the night watchman or something

[feral snow]

Yes

I should have clarified that

There aren’t a ton of good Boffin abilities on the release script

[strong verge]

All good, that was more of a boffin question than a wish question lol

[feral snow]

Maybe a Boffin amne yeah

Ooh Boffin plague doctor imp kills a good player and themself and gains two minion abilities

[sharp violet]

I wish that all evil players' choices took effect the night after they chose them (at their spot in the night order)

[feral snow]

Granted, but this effect only lasts as long as you are alive (so when you die they effectively get 2)

[sharp violet]

1/6/25: What's your favorite starting-info role to be?

[coarse notch]

Noble, it's really strong info and gives you something to do for the rest of the game (either keep an eye on your pings or confront them directly). You also have to decide whether to share the info early versus keeping it quiet to see if any of them die at night

[gray ridge]

Pixie

[ivory ridge]

What are all the YSK again?

[coarse fern]

Pixie

[supple dirge]

Clockmaker, I love roles that give you info about the entire circle, it narrows down possibilities a lot if you can confirm 1 player as evil.

[foggy grotto]

Investigator by far

[karmic slate]

I think Chef it’s the works building info I’m most comfortable working with

[cold veldt]

Shugenja’s kinda goated imo

[rocky idol]

Steward, Knight, Chef, Noble, Investigator, Washerwoman, Clockmaker, Grandmother, Librarian, Shugenja, Bounty Hunter, and Pixie

[indigo osprey]

I like shugenja

[rocky idol]

I think that's all?

anyway, shugenja is my favorite

[ivory ridge]

Godfather

idk all the YSK are boring I hate them

[zenith lotus]

librarian

[cold veldt]

oh that’s a funny answer lol

[rocky idol]

also Mezepheles, Godfather, and Yaggababble

forgot those

[shrewd cloud]

Shugenja

[feral snow]

Yagga is my answer for sure

[ivory ridge]

Is Yagga really starting info role though

[rocky idol]

yeah i interpreted "info role" as limiting it to good

[gusty bear]

i think shug is the most interesting of them

[zenith lotus]

i would limit it to good + GF

[gray ridge]

Lunatic-Yagga

[sour harness]

Librarian goes so incredibly hard

[sharp violet]

Also I like how the YSKs can be divided into neat categories:
: learns 1 of 2 players is a certain character
: learns some number of players; the less players, the more confirmatory the info
: learns something about the positioning of the evil team
(and ): learns players and/or characters and does something when the learned players/characters die in a certain manner

[rocky idol]

true!

[ivory ridge]

Important question

Is Occultist a YSK

[gray ridge]

Lunatic-Yagga-Boffin-Alchemist-Godfather is the ultimate you start knowing ...

[sour harness]

No, is a OPG

[feral snow]

"you start knowing a secret phrase"

its YSK

[ivory ridge]

Right but does it function any differently than a YSK

[sour harness]

Yes

First of all it's an outsider

[zenith lotus]

it receives its info during the day, and potentially not the first day either

[ivory ridge]

Oh right during the day

It would be so much funnier if it’s at night

[stable latch]

I like Shugenja

[fast anchor]

Lunatic, barring that, Grandmother

[tacit fiber]

Wiretap from NWC

[sharp violet]

Its secret phrase carries no game info and only exists to fuel the main part of its ability - hence, not starting-info (same reasoning for Mez not counting)

[feral snow]

It’s info

[fast anchor]

New answer: Amnesiac

I <3 YSK Amnes

😍

[zenith lotus]

"you start knowing that you have a you start knowing ability"

[next marlin]

If we're going good roles only, Alchemist-Godfather

If that still doesn't count, fine, probably Clockmaker

[sharp violet]

Godfather does count, Mez and Yaggababble do not

[ivory ridge]

if we only talking ysk tf then

lemme make a tier list (only based on how much i like them)

[ivory ridge]

please don't hate me 🥺

https://tenor.com/view/see-it-like-final-hamster-scared-gif-14498643

[hollow oasis]

indeed, bounty hunter is a YSK

[rocky idol]

can i have the tiermaker link

[ivory ridge]

No

https://tiermaker.com/create/blood-on-the-clocktower-characters-travellers-and-fabled-17513704

[foggy grotto]

i agree with the F tier but how is chef and shug better than grandma, WW or invest

or PIXIE

pixie is peak

[ivory ridge]

ww or invest can be very strong without recluse/spy

i don't like that

[foggy grotto]

then add a spy

invest recluse is bad and dumb and STs should not do it unless a setup is crazy good sided

[next marlin]

Yeah but we're talking roles we want to play

I want to solve the game

[rocky idol]

disagree but say more

[foggy grotto]

youre making a townsfolk into a drunk

its also not fun

because it just turns off someones role

[zenith lotus]

then everyone would just say clockmaker

[foggy grotto]

it becomes a weaker librarian thats never sure of its ping

[next marlin]

Recluse soaking up ysks sometimes is fair but invest recluse specifically is super overdone so if you do it you lose -100000000 style points

You can do it but you need to build your style points back up

[next marlin]

that's why I said clockmaker

[foggy grotto]

yeah recluse shug is fine

recluse chef is ehhhhhhhhhh only do it with new players

recluse BH is alright ig

but BH is already pretty weak

i dont think ive ever actually seen recluse and clockmaker in the same setup but thats funny af

[next marlin]

recluse chef is a townsfolk if you're not careful

recluse clock can be even more townsfolky because you can only make the numbers smaller but clock has a harder time reverse engineering useful info out of junked info than chef so it sort of works out

[gray ridge]

good

I rlly prefer Pixie because it feels like the most interactive YSK townsfolk ngl

and its pretty fun playing it

[coarse fern]

I love when you get into a whisper with the person who has the role you learned and you just keep telling each other that the other person must be pixie

[gray ridge]

peam

[ivory ridge]

But then spy complicated thing when it comes to the minion set up id like to be

I like characters that create interesting dynamic

WW and Investigator is not

Funnily enough I put Noble for the opposite reason

Noble eat shit from every single misinfo source out there, heck even a Mario could throw off Noble ping by social alone

And it’s not even that strong when sober

Oh why I dislike Grandmother? I actually don’t hate it

Its just

Often super obvious when it’s a grandmother pair die and not some other BMR shenanigans

😔

Right and Pixie

Evil team when they find the Pixie day 1:

As of right now there are little incentive for town to be “mad”

Sure double claim exists but me when I back off

And stuff like FT Dreamer will be flexible with their claim anyway

[fast anchor]

okay, disagree but not for the reason you think - you need to do it sometimes so evil can bluff recluse

do it about the same amount as you'd functionally drunk a ww/lib by showing them the spy?

which is to say, "not often but definitely sometimes"

[young sonnet]

^^^^

[foggy grotto]

yeah i know i was being hyperbolic and goofy

[fast anchor]

this is the internet, hyperbole isn't real silly

[pseudo fulcrum]

I feel like there's a lot of BH hate, I really like BH

[indigo osprey]

BH is just so hard to balance between 'basically an outsider' and 'oppressive as fuck'

[fresh shard]

Has the same issue old Balloonist did in that respect

[indigo osprey]

balloonist is a great YSK

YSK this person is in the game

[fresh shard]

(Also a terminal case of too many STs trying to be cute by having the BH turn themselves which I think should only realistically be done on an insanely goodsided setup)

[ivory ridge]

when you think about it

old balloonist is like

a better bh

in a 3 minion game

[feral snow]

Do we have a question for today? I have one I want to do

[fresh shard]

Don't think so

[ivory ridge]

do it

before i post my own question

[indigo osprey]

BH's should never turn themselves evil, ever

[next marlin]

Yes

[next marlin]

12 hours ago

[fresh shard]

Oh it's 1/7 where I am

7/1 should I say

Because I use a sensible date format

[next marlin]

Time isn't real but also this is why I follow the post hour rather than the date

(and why I sign my own with "time isn't real" and not with a date)

[ivory ridge]

[time isn't real]: AITA for lying to my nation that I'm the Archon when I'm not?
I (500F) is asked by the Archon of my country to pretend to be her as a ploy to defy the Heavenly Principles. It is of utmost important and I even lie to my best friend of 450 years. She did end up fulfill her wish and save her country by getting executed but now everyone hate me and I'm no longer the nation's spotlight.
AITA?

[feral snow]

I was going off of date too

It’s Jan 7 for almost the whole planet (except like Hawaii)

[ivory ridge]

Hawaii isn't real

[fresh shard]

Not like people mind if you reply to previous questions anyway

[feral snow]

Fair

[7/1/2025] You’ve been invited to a game of Lizards! What abilities are you choosing for each character type?

-# For those who don’t know, Lizards is a homebrew where your ability is generated by choosing a character for each potential type you could be. For example, I may choose Imp (Townsfolk), Bootlegger (Outsider), Washerwoman (Minion), and Drunk (Demon). Whichever type of “Lizard” I am will generate an ability inspired by that character.

[fresh shard]

Savant, Puzzlemaster, Pit-Hag, Po

[ivory ridge]

wait wdym imp townsfolk

[fresh shard]

Wait a minute lmao

Ok amending my answer to Po, Po, Po, Po

[next marlin]

I believe @zenith lotus already made my demon pick for me

Townsfolk: Wizard
Outsider: I want to get a puzzlemasterlike/occultistlike, so to maximize that chance probably a heavy-duty info role like Savant or Artist
Minion: I like being info minions, so honestly probably go for a spidow variant, with whichever one I choose to have mutated depending on my mood
Demon: aforementioned, probably

[ivory ridge]

after thinking long and hard

wizard, wizard, wizard, wizard

[fast anchor]

savant, savant, savant, lil' monsta

(i do not want to stay the demon the whole game without a safety net)

[next marlin]

glass cannon demons are incredibly fun (posts made 18 seconds before being executed d2)

[ivory ridge]

glass canon demon aren’t real

• Scarlet Woman

[next vault]

Grandma, I really like how it starts a lot of confirmation chains in BMR

Also Mayhem and I will always be in a grandma-granchild pair

[acoustic chasm]

Washerwoman. Getting an ongoing info or a mechanical Townsfolk in TB open up switcheroos and bluffing opportunities. It also is fun to bluff

[next vault]

PG games

[indigo osprey]

make the PG evil

[ivory ridge]

evil pg lmao

[indigo osprey]

evil PG is amazing

[fresh shard]

Evil Damsel moment

"How to get killed without making it obvious that that's what you're doing"

[indigo osprey]

only possible due to mez of course

[fresh shard]

Actual evil Damsel doesn't need to get killed because they can just tell the minions (via the Mez that converted them) not to guess them, but evil PG turned via BH doesn't have that luxury

I figure that an evil PG outing too early might be readily identifiable as that

[indigo osprey]

an evil PG goes 'I am the noble and good cannibal food, feel free to execute me'

[acoustic chasm]

Thats so funny

Because they are evil, they poison the cannibal, so you can give the cannibal fake noble pings

[indigo osprey]

you got it

and since the cannibal is poisoned, the PG died and evil learns each other

[rocky idol]

Po (Townsfolk)
Flowergirl (Outsider)
Poppy Grower (Minion)
Toymaker (Demon)

[indigo osprey]

Po could be fun with something like: Each night, choose to gain information. If you choose no information, tomorrow: gain 3 pieces of information.

[rocky idol]

that's silly lolll i love it

[indigo osprey]

Flowergirl outsider: Each night (%), a player that nominated is drunk.
Poppygrower-minion. All information gets distributed one night later (even if they are dead).
Toymaker: Each night*, choose a player, they die. Once per game, when you choose no one: all evils can take a look at the grim.

(Just of the top of my head)

[tacit fiber]

[sharp violet]

Zealot TF, Wizard Outsider, Matron Minion, High Priestess Demon

[sour harness]

Outsider pithag sounds so funny

[feral snow]

I ran a Lizards game with Pit-Hag(Demon) that was kind of insane

[sour harness]

Pit-Hag (Demon): Deaths each night* are arbitrary.

(do not do this)

[indigo osprey]

Demon: Each night*, choose a player. They become a different lizard character. Deaths are arbitray.

[sour harness]

Yeah that's more reasonable

[fast anchor]

"deaths are arbitrary" is more PH-like but "Each night*, players might die" is so much funnier imo

[feral snow]

Ours was kind of a giga op fang Gu

Let me see if I can find it

“Each night*, choose a player: they die. Once per game, you may choose a character too: they re-generate their mutation as that Demon, become evil, and deaths that night are arbitrary. [-1 Outsider]”

This was the first ability we made and balanced the entire script around it

[sour harness]

Well no you see because you put a ~innkeeper in the bag as well whose entire ability is to discover that deaths are arbitrary (they'll hard tunnel on signs of a yaggababble phrase)

[gray ridge]

[supple dirge]

[zenith lotus]

[karmic rose]

[dense hound]

[rocky idol]

i wanna see the alhad tf

[feral snow]

oh i did one

"Each night, choose 3 players: learn if either all or none are Townsfolk. One of those players may die tonight."

[ivory ridge]

what does a scarlet woman demon look like

[feral snow]

Maybe something like Luis' Kukulpa, Dark's Twincyn, or Super's Vitoo

[sour harness]

Sure but also kukalpa very much doesn't work in a lizards format as is

Uhhh idk the others off the top of my head

[feral snow]

youre right like none of these work in a lizards format

[sour harness]

Yeah definitely not a balanced lizard

This could work as a lizard actually

[acoustic chasm]

has this always been at the bottom of communuity resources???

[zenith lotus]

nope 😉

it looks SO WEIRD

[supple dirge]

They moved us into the basement

[acoustic chasm]

It is weird

Someone did a lil pull

[barren zenith]

I thought I moved it, I was trying to move this channel back for a good 5 minutes

[acoustic chasm]

pff

[gusty bear]

[sour harness]

LoT outsider goes hard actually

[feral snow]

[all Outsiders are in a line] is an awesome start

[sour harness]

nah wait

Lord of Typhon Lizard (Townsfolk): [+1 Outsider. All Outsiders are in a line. You are in the middle.]

[feral snow]

that's kinda sick actually

[ivory ridge]

this is a

actually interesting tf

[sour harness]

i would hate it on an actual script

like that restricts bluffspace so much

but for lizards it's cool

[gusty bear]

i picked ones i thought would be interesting

[ivory ridge]

ok but

just be better

[fast anchor]

I picked my favorite characters and also LM

[gusty bear]

did you pick savant three times and then lil monsta

[primal crescent]

I was summoned?

[dense moat]

[fast anchor]

yes

i don't like being the demon, stick

i need to pass the baby off by any means 😭

[gusty bear]

i should 1000% have realised you were evil in babytalk lmao

[fast anchor]

some kind of safety net I can't repeat tree demon :(

[fast anchor]

Okay but if I didn't have to get subbed I would've pulled some crazy pixie savant info

For all two days I'd have to make it

And then I'd get whispertracked anyway because Kyle insisted on talking to me and I'd cry

[coarse fern]

Townsfolk: golem
Outsider: Pit Hag
Minion: golem
Demon: tea lady

[acoustic chasm]

Townsfolk: Zombuul
Outsider: Snake Charmer
Minion: Banshee
Demon: Chambermaid

[gusty bear]

snarmer outsider goes hard

[acoustic chasm]

how is vaticidal everywhere

[next marlin]

Your walls and your weapons are but smoke in dreams

[flat lintel]

whats a glass cannon again?

[rocky idol]

powerful but vulnerable

[sharp violet]

I'm rolling a grim for this now

of course, actually making the abilities is the hard part

[hollow oasis]

Glass cannons

Vigormortis

Legion(or supposed to be)

Lord of Typhon

Alhad

Vortox?

[next marlin]

Kazali is a very obvious one

Summoner, if you cluster it with demons

Legion/Alhad/Vortox are all a little different (in particular, alhad can obviously survive being solved for, which is not a total contraindication to being a glass cannon -- Kazali can survive it too -- but is a point away)

A defining characteristic imo of glass cannon demons is that they suffer incredibly hard if they're pinned down as demon candidates but have a lot of ways to avoid this
Legion, definitionally by nature of there being many Legions, can sacrifice a lot of individual pieces for the greater whole in a way that makes it tankier than the true core cases

[gray ridge]

No dashii?

[next marlin]

Vortox is weird because it ideally wants to not be solved for but has an ability pretty easy to solve for, which makes it more consistently just weak

But it can survive being solved for and routinely does

It's balanced around being taken in and out of play which is I think unique

[hollow oasis]

I was thinking more the social read

Of the choices

[tacit fiber]

sorry why is Kazali a glass cannon >_<

[hollow oasis]

Picking who the minions are is strong

(Because you can pick the people best at playing em)

[sharp violet]

First draft: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14aRblre1eu6hFAlbDGrLg5pmCEGBCO6At54npSEbKFM/edit?usp=sharing
Players are listed in order of when they replied, which is also seating order, character types were randomly rolled, please share feedback

(also I excluded my reply from the list)

[next marlin]

vati/mizu wizard pair 🔥

[sharp violet]

(if you like that, look at alia's Po hystrex's Doomsayer)

[coarse fern]

My ability is pretty interesting

The savant outsider is a bit townsidery

Unless I read it wrong

[sharp violet]

I was trying to make it a puzzle: if you can track down players who you think will be drunk then you help, if not then you just add more droisoning to the pile

[feral snow]

adding onto this, you can (and sometimes should) pick players who are socially good too. Those players also get a free bluff and don't have to talk to the Demon to get it, which makes the first player they talk to really trust them.

In Kazali games, the Demon is ironically the most vulnerable evil player

[next marlin]

You can also just straight up have the evil team you personally work best with

But in the midst of all of this, the demon itself has the post-setup ability of "jack-all"

(which makes Kazali+"some way to become something else" crazy strong)

[dense moat]

1/8: Which character has your favorite one-liner in their summary? (Ex: The Assassin kills who the Demon cannot)

[sour harness]

The Atheist knows that all players are good and that there is no such thing as Demons.

-# ngl a lot of these aren't super interesting, by design

-# unless I'm misunderstanding the prompt?

[next marlin]

Some highlights:The Savant gets crazy, amazing information that is different every day and every game, but exactly half of it is completely false.``````The Godfather takes revenge when the town kills Outsiders.``````The Fang Gu possesses Outsiders.``````Legion is many Demons.

[feral snow]

Oh no I totally misunderstood the prompt

[dense moat]

i thought more of them were when i wrote the question tbh

[sour harness]

Lol

[feral snow]

I like Savant’s

[sour harness]

Yeah me too

[ivory ridge]

it is indeed, the only flavor I can recite by heart

[next marlin]

That's flavour text

[ivory ridge]

noooo summary isn't flavor text?

😭

[next marlin]

Why does no one but me immediately know what the prompt is

[ivory ridge]

uhhh uhh ignore me

[feral snow]

I get it now I promise

[dense moat]

Huh. Apparently only the experimentals have really good ones

[ivory ridge]

wait Godfather text is really cool

the implication is that outsiders are like a familia to him

(except he betrays them all in the end but whatever)

[next marlin]

"best flavour text" has an answer anyway

[ivory ridge]

wtf vat you already send the godfather summary

[lean isle]

The Tinker can die at any time, for no reason.

[ivory ridge]

why the hell are you sending 4 summary 😭

[sour harness]

Hey I knew it

[next marlin]

They're tied

There are a few other good ones

[tacit fiber]

I do have an interesting unreleased homebrew one
The XXX starts the game in chaos, forcing the good team to figure out what they did.
my faovrite out of canon ones is ig
The Mastermind can still win after the Demon is dead.

[sour harness]

The High Priestess acts on intuition.

[dense moat]

"The Ogre is someone's best freind"

[tacit fiber]

good one

[dense moat]

"The Zealot votes"

[sour harness]

The Lycanthrope roams the night, killing the innocent, whilst the Demon cowers indoors.

Ok maybe some of these are cool

[dense moat]

Experimentals are cooler, apparently

[lean isle]

Yep

[tacit fiber]

The Psychopath kills in broad daylight.

[next marlin]

-new scriptmakers

[sour harness]

This is so funny to me

[dense moat]

"The Vizier executes players without the town’s consent."

[sour harness]

Riot kills everybody in a panic.

[fresh shard]

I quite like the Gossip's for explaining the mode of play succinctly

[ivory ridge]

wait

why is the imp interesting of all people

The Imp kills a player each night, and can make copies of itself... for a terrible price.

[fresh shard]

Chapter 9: The Part Where He Learns A Good Player

[sour harness]

This Is The Part Where He Learns A Good Player

[gusty bear]

I gotta play portal 2 at some point

[sour harness]

This is correct

Go play it now

Or else

[fresh shard]

Achievement unlocked: Learn a good player

(I honestly believe they put achievements in the Switch version purely to retain that joke)

[sour harness]

Lol I love that

I want to watch someone play through it live so 5 seconds before that part I can say "and this is the part where he kills you"

[next vault]

The Steward when they learn 1 good player

[gray ridge]

The Moonchild curses someone upon death, killing them too.
The Fearmonger creates paranoia about who nominates whom.
The Damsel absolutely, positively cannot be found out by the evil team.

[rocky idol]

Savant's is pretty cool

Also Damsl

[shrewd cloud]

The Fang Gu possesses Outsiders

Simple, gets the point across, and has some flavor to it as it calls it a possession

The Sage knows nothing while alive, but learns the most important information of all at the moment of their death - who killed them.

Also like this one. Most of these summaries are incredibly simple but I just like this one

[fast anchor]

someone else who appreciates these!!! they're my gold standard whenever I make (bad) homebrew characters: if you can't sum up what they do in a single line, rework them until you can

as for an actual answer:

The Shugenja trusts players to their left, or to their right.

I like how it makes it clear the Shugenja isn't an evil ping 😉

[supple dirge]

"The Zealot votes." is a good one

"The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - what should be done." I like that one, very direct

[fast anchor]

other neat ones:

The Goon is immune to other characters at night, but keeps changing allegiances.
The High Priestess acts on intuition.
The Bounty Hunter learns all the evil players. One. Player. At. A. Time.

[shrewd cloud]

The Mayor can win by peaceful means on the final day

I like this one too. Peace ✌️

I do wonder what the lore reason is for a Mayor being able to stop the Demon’s rampage if they can convince the town to stop killing each other. Power of friendship I guess

[supple dirge]

Government bureaucracy saves the day again

[indigo osprey]

Pacifist tagline couldbe: they will learn of our peaceful ways. By force.

[ivory ridge]

Shugenja isn’t an evil ping? Nyoooo

[foggy grotto]

Gossip is good because some people genuinely don’t know this is how you play it

The Gossip deliberately speaks lies, in the hope of uncovering the truth.

[karmic slate]

I like the Widow's - but more specifically the latter half:

The Widow knows all characters and poisons the exact person they think is most useful.

[fresh shard]

Instructions unclear, poisoned my demon

[ivory ridge]

Whats the lore behind the Widow I wonder

Is she just like, undercover femme fatale

til the male form of widow is widower

[indigo osprey]

widow has black widow vibes, yes

silent assassin

female spy that uses poison

[tacit fiber]

disagree

Widow is an actual spider

she's poisonous and gets info on everybody from all the spiders round town

[indigo osprey]

counterpoint

[spring raft]

oh I never thought I'd have an opportunity to post the tier list I made of these a while back

[ivory ridge]

This is so stupid

But

Insanely funny

The idea of a spider colony in Ravenswood Bluff just make me chuckled a bit I can’t lie

Is she the Queen Spider there

[tacit fiber]

exaclty

[hollow oasis]

Lord of Typhon is S

[spring raft]

I'd probably put it in C

[hollow oasis]

actually nvm

[austere steppe]

*brb

[feral snow]

i love how specific this is

[severe raven]

The Snake Charmer learns player after player that is not the Demon... but becomes the Demon if they get either too greedy or too bold.

The Gambler can guess who is who... but pays the ultimate price if they guess wrong.

The Zombuul secretly remains alive while in the grave.

[ivory ridge]

as if this isn't something you would do smh

[severe raven]

Use the Ferryman to create a fun and inclusive climax to the game even if new players have used their vote tokens.

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - what should be done. (which is not respected by many a storyteller)

[supple dirge]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - a riddle that may or may not help them.

[karmic slate]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - that the Spy is in play

[fast anchor]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - to fear the Goblin

[ivory ridge]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - that drunk to the body is poisoned to the mind

[next marlin]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - that a trip to the tavern may be what a character desires, but what one desires is not always feasible on this Earth

[acoustic chasm]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish

[ivory ridge]

lowkey what are these advice 😭

[acoustic chasm]

search up 'patters one fish, two fish' and you'll figure mine out

[ivory ridge]

no way 💀

i also found vat's advice

💀

[karmic slate]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody knows- They have an Empath 0

[coarse fern]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else knows- They have an empath yes

[tacit fiber]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - this is the last good info this town will learn.

(This happened on day 1)

[rocky idol]

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - they should give the Storyteller $10 on Paypal

(it's an atheist game)

[foggy grotto]

1/9: What’s a relatively normal wizard wish you can think of with the worst/most ridiculous price/clue you can come up with?

[cold veldt]

tbh the worst price I can come up with involves like hostages, but you can just slap that onto any wish tbh

[fast anchor]

"All information is false" --> "If nobody executes, good wins instead of evil" from the ctbotc stream

[tacit fiber]

Add a fake Fibbin for paranoia -> add all other fabled as fake versions as well for chaos

[foggy grotto]

me when fake buddhist

[tacit fiber]

Buddhist wasn't added

Fiddler wasn't either

[gray ridge]

fake rev pair where 2 players have different alignments

[next vault]

Also Deus Ex Fiasco

Question: What is a no-no in scripts for you? It can be anything

I will start with "BMR but different Demon", different Minions/Outsiders/Townsfolk might work, but Demons??? No.

[fast anchor]

Minstrel without clear thought behind it

it's one of those characters that you need to be very, very careful with putting on customs

and sometimes people just slap it onto scripts where it can just kinda hardconfirm itself

[cold veldt]

it really was the first botc character to work literally nowhere (except bmr) (hyperbole)

the second was engineer! :D

[next marlin]

I think many of my script opinions are on the record, because custscripts inherits all my opinions somehow
If we interpret this more narrowly as something like "red lines against playing a script at all"? No Dashii when it can be in play with multiple other harder-to-trace droisoning sources -- I'll play scripts with higher droison than I personally go for but I've had enough miserable No Dashii+Drunk+Poisoner games for a lifetime

[acoustic chasm]

Teensyville with No Dashii

[indigo osprey]

Minsterl hardconforming themselves is fine imo

minstrels hardconfirming someone is an evil is a bigger issue

[tacit fiber]

“Modified TB” it never NEVER works

[next vault]

Thing is, if it's easy to confirm a Minstrel Night you get 1 confirmed good + 1 confirmed evil, Minstrel works in BMR because there's 10 different things that can happen for no deaths at night

[indigo osprey]

well yeah

it isn't the hardconfirming minstrel that's the issue imo

it's the outed evil that it kind of creates which is unfortunate

[next vault]

Another no-no for me is Engineer/Kazali with very obvious choices

I like when Kazali has multiple good choices, otherwise the games end up being very samey

[fresh shard]

I increasingly feel that most customs are worse for adding the Drunk, especially Fang Gu ones. Drunk and Poisoner are great on TB but I don't love either of them outside of that environment

Any teensy run with the rule that the Demon doesn't know who the Marionette is

[rocky idol]

Vigormortis or Kazali as an afterthought — the minions need to be built around them

Kazali or Ojo as a "vanilla/filler demon"

[next vault]

Oh yeah, Vigor afterthought with stuff like Fearmonger and what not

I hate that

[rocky idol]

someday i wanna make a

yknow what

someday can be today

oh not today i have to go

[fresh shard]

Why Ojo?

[rocky idol]

sadge

[next vault]

Ojo is weird

[rocky idol]

your good team has to be built around it (to an extent) imo

[next vault]

Because it doesnt target people

[rocky idol]

please no ojo / magician

or pg

yes it outs it's an ojo game but who cares

[next vault]

Ojo-PG or Magician
Ojo-Juggler

[hollow oasis]

I like Ojo PG because PG needs a nerf

[sour harness]

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[next vault]

I hate the Poisoner

[hollow oasis]

We all do

[next vault]

It's so unbalanced in customs

[fresh shard]

Ojo PG feels like Spy/Soldier to me

Oh, Artist on any script without a Vortox

[feral snow]

I will fight Yagga Gossip (or just Yagga BMR) until the day that I die

[sour harness]

Ojo PG is fine imo, if you kill the PG you pretty much out demon type

[hollow oasis]

I would call it more like spy PD

[next vault]

But the PG does nothing

[sour harness]

And I'll fight right alongside you, except instead of alongside you it'll be directly against you

[sour harness]

They stall evil for a day and learn the demon type

[next vault]

BMR + Yagga really sucks

[sour harness]

Yagga is so incredibly anti BMR

[hollow oasis]

Gossip Yagga sucks

[next vault]

BMR is the most flexible out of the base 3

But please do not add yagga

[fresh shard]

Poppy Grower needs a specific environment to work imo, it's just too powerful for scripts designed for evil not to have any counterplay

[sour harness]

None of them are remotely flexible

[hollow oasis]

Yagga (everything else on BMR, Golem)

[sour harness]

I'd say TB is probably the most flexible? But eh

[next vault]

You can change one or two characters

Like

[sour harness]

Like gambler to acro is prob fine

[next vault]

Acrobat can work
Boffin can work
Summoner can work
...

[hollow oasis]

SNV+ wizard is fine

[fresh shard]

Do you mind elaborating on why? Is it because BMR needs solvable kill count

[next vault]

Yes

Just that

Yagga deaths are arbitrary

You can have 0 or 5

[sour harness]

Summoner is kinda sus with zombuul/execution survival

[next vault]

Summoner can work

[sour harness]

Yes that's exactly it

[hollow oasis]

Summoner Riot is also a crime

[sour harness]

BMR needs to have a deterministic kill count

[hollow oasis]

Summoner Levi I can handle

[fresh shard]

What kind of scripts does Yagga work on? How many good scripts have death count mod but where solving the death count isn't important? (Not trying to be snarky here, genuinely this one has been vexing me for a while)

[next vault]

Levi + SW is a war crime

[hollow oasis]

Although

Levi doesn’t need safety measures

[sour harness]

It actually doesn't have a technically solvable kill count because of stuff like inkeeper, but it's still deterministic

[next vault]

Yeah you can figure out

With Yagga it's more like

[hollow oasis]

The kind of script AlHad works on

[feral snow]

Scripts where death mod is on the evil team pretty much exclusively and it isn’t used to solve for important things (like pit hag)

[next vault]

Well we dont know anything

So we lose

[hollow oasis]

Witch/Golem/Psycho sometimes are all pretty good

[sour harness]

Lots of scripts! Babytalk comes to mind. Death mod doesn't immediately mean it's a bmrlike

[fresh shard]

Thanks, I'll take a look

[next vault]

Acrobat and Gambler work

Because they KNOW they can die

[hollow oasis]

Still think Professor should be nerfed a bit tbh

[next vault]

So it's more of

Did I die to my own ability?

[sour harness]

I disagree, i genuinely think prof is exactly at the power level it needs to be

Yes ik steve wanted more time in the oven

[next vault]

Professor has this thing where it only works on Shab scripts