"you might learn the entire evil team, but lol it's a public announcement, you probably won't even if you got it right"
#secret thing
next marlin
fast anchor
So the ojo just targets the damsel?
no, as in the Ojo can target the role the Damsel is bluffing, watch them not die, and realize what's happening and tell the minions to guess them
karmic slate
(Don’t worry, the ST “punished” the Ojo for not knowing what roles are in-play and killed the Damsel)
cold veldt
no, as in the Ojo can target the role the Damsel is bluffing, watch them not die...
oh that makes sense I was wondering who the hell gets in a damsel double claim
fast anchor
(Don’t worry, the ST “punished” the Ojo for not knowing what roles are in-play a...
I am of the opinion nowadays that the Ojo should just be able to select a bluff and get a decent kill out of it
Let them have nice things
cold veldt
ojo reacting to me killing their entire evil team (the stupid fuck picked the out-of-play washerwoman):
karmic slate
Agree! The Ojo’s ability is not “guess what roles I put into the bag” but “you have certainty a character you chose is dead (beyond death mod scripts etc with protection)”
If they choose Flowergirl and there isn’t one in play, that’s good for them! They know the Flowergirl ability is gone. It isn’t time to kill the Damsel or Barber N2 or Mutant
karmic rose
I think I've mostly seen this combo in scripts built with that in mind, I imagine it sucks if not accounted for
sour harness
If they choose Flowergirl and there isn’t one in play, that’s good for them! The...
Yeah I wanna give them a similar kill. They were trying to get rid of a demon finder early? There's a fortune teller in play? Wow guess that FT is dead, it's what the ojo wanted anyway
No need to punish them for not having the grim
barren zenith
Ojo is only considered a weak demon due to how STs run it
dry sluice
If you're going to give the Ojo a good kill for missing, why wouldn't your Ojo intentionally miss every single night?
barren zenith
If you're going to give the Ojo a good kill for missing, why wouldn't your Ojo i...
Because then they aren't killing who they actually want to kill
gusty bear
killing the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best kill every night is a lot worse than killing the exact role you want dead
barren zenith
Also balloonist should have strong info as they are making the outsider count considerably less solvable
gusty bear
if the ojo chooses to miss every night i'd probably treat them like a 1kpn no day deaths yaggababble
which is to say - their kills would still help evil, but they wouldn't get the exact ones they're looking for
sour harness
If you're going to give the Ojo a good kill for missing, why wouldn't your Ojo i...
Well if they miss too often I'm gonna stop giving them good kills lol
You're not a yaggababble, don't pretend to be one
sour harness
which is to say - their kills would still help evil, but they wouldn't get the e...
I mean I wouldn't actively harm evil with the kills but they'd get progressively worse for sure
acoustic chasm
I haven't played with it but
makes for an interesting puzzle where either the cannibal or acrobat being evil bluffing can affect the game greatly.
ivory ridge
would you give your ojo 3 kills for guessing the sage (in)correctly
sour harness
^ it also depends on the death mod of the script
gray ridge
Based
tacit fiber
, 
(as a script interaction) and 
all rock
barren zenith
<:lil_monsta:729609041726144594><:marionette:806681100990545940>, <:lordoftyphon...
Why yaggababble + LoT?
tacit fiber
Why yaggababble + LoT?
can bluff multiple minion abilities making them interesting to figure out which is in play
barren zenith
Obscuring minion count, gotcha
tacit fiber
can bluff any minion killing ability including even the 
if the st is cool
low burrowBOT
*role sailor
sour harness
Boooo
Yeah ok you can't simulate it on a sailor
Though you can just drunk the sailor if you really want lol
tacit fiber
Though you can just drunk the sailor if you really want lol
The drunking is an outsider ability
sour harness
Naively
tacit fiber
or tea lady
Kill the tea lady then ask the Yag to pretty please Boffin Prof the TL
hollow oasis
that's really wrap around
fast anchor
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really seem to like that you just don't get? (or vice versa, if that's more interesting)
barren zenith
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
Why do people like butler lol
I sort of get why but still
It's a bit of a boring role
supple dirge
Have we gotten to the point where most people like butler now?
karmic slate
Why do people like butler lol
:(
barren zenith
:)
karmic slate
I think Poppy Grower is a bit overhated but I also get why lol.
Zombuul and Mastermind (but specifically on BMR) are definitely overhated.
barren zenith
I think Poppy Grower is a bit overhated but I also get why lol.
Zombuul and Mas...
PG just isn't very fun for evils imo
Zombuul + MM is fine
karmic slate
Yeah, maybe I’m more ok with the PG challenge than other players
But folks who cry that BMR’s bad because of Zombuul and Mastermind >:( literally no
barren zenith
Magician is usually a better choice than PG imo
RtC but PG would make evils never win lol
cyan reef
PG just isn't very fun for evils imo
there are definitely plenty of people on the evil team who think this makes for a fun puzzle
cold veldt
there are definitely plenty of people on the evil team who think this makes for ...
especially if you throw in a boffin with some interesting abilities to boff
supple dirge
I like poppy grower if I'm goblin or some minion that can mess with town like da, posioner, cerenovus. I'd get way more nervous as the demon
cyan reef
I do like PG with Boffin quite a bit
I did Boffin/Shugenja once in a 1-Minion game, though it was a fun way to point the Demon toward the Minion...then the Minion decided to play outed evil and it kinda didn't matter lol
sour harness
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
I'm slowly coming around to the role, but very slowly. I wish it was framed more as "should you change gears" rather than the obscure version of that which is "which team is winning"
barren zenith
<:general:799483064639029270> I'm slowly coming around to the role, but very slo...
General is fun imo with "swingy" roles that can massively change your readings in a single night. It isn't just a role you can add onto a random script though.
sour harness
I also LOVE golem and think it's sufficiently outsidery in most contexts, and it's just a really really cool concept
gusty bear
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
controversial one: 
- maybe haven't played enough games with it yet, but it feels very dull to play and solve with
ivory ridge
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
Amnesiac
Sometimes I wonder why someone would put it in script
ivory ridge
And why does people even enjoy playing it
feral snow
And why does people even enjoy playing it
What you don’t like my amnesiac abilities?
tacit fiber
And why does people even enjoy playing it
its a fun puzzle
cold veldt
yeah I hate being amnesiac but I definitely see why people like it
feral snow
I love amnesiac if I trust the ST
feral snow
I’ve never pull Anne irl tbf
Were you in the 17player po game?
ivory ridge
Nope
feral snow
Ahhh that was my favourite one
cold veldt
I love amnesiac if I trust the ST
even if I trust the ST, I know I’ll never be smart enough to solve my own ability
it leads to me just basically wasting each day away trying to desperately think of any question I can ask that won’t get me closer to the truth
ivory ridge
Amne sometimes feels like ||bootlegger’s machinist|| haha
feral snow
Wrong channel
I think if your ST isn’t at least trying to make the ability solvable they’re doing it wrong
feral snow
I think an attempt should be made
If they die early or can’t figure it out it’s okay
But it shouldn’t be some insane ability that no one solves for because the ST has always wanted this
hollow oasis
Sometimes i see value in giving amnes hints
Or just flat out telling them:
“Hey, you can give an announcement to anyone or any character”
Have fun
feral snow
I don’t mind stuff like “your ability is once per game” because it’s nice to know that
But I don’t want to give the whole thing away
Part of the ability is solving it
dense moat
im also not a huge fan of amni. like amni can have good individual games, but its stressful to come up with stuff. esepecially since amni usually depend on being able to learn something from their ability
as oppossed to hb amni variants ive seen. where they are a lot about finding fun & clevelr ways to mess with the good team
feral snow
I think if you want to put amnesiac in you need to know what you want to do with it during setup
hollow oasis
I’m usually ok with “you have a really fun ability, play with it”
dense moat
Im not saying Amni is bad or always results in bad games. It just requires a lot of thought & even then doesnt always go as you expect
relative to more fixed roles
not trying to be reductive. its just that even relative to regular roles, amni can do great things or it can be really hard to figure out, for player & ST
next vault
If they die early or can’t figure it out it’s okay
That's why I let dead amnes guess
dry sluice
I'm not a fan of Mezepheles. I'd rather have a minion that can make an evil Townsfolk in a more controlled way that's less dependent on private communication.
foggy grotto
yeah its definitely really strong
dry sluice
I also dislike every character that interacts with the nomination/voting phase, because they encourage a smart town to (1) figure out who to execute, and then (2) separately, figure out what they want from the nominations phase. I'm okay putting in Town Crier, I think Flowergirl/Witch are meh, and I very much dislike Fearmonger and Vizier.
sour harness
What about like cannibal undertaker and half of BMR 👀
hollow oasis
And a quarter of SNV
sour harness
They already mentioned fg tc witch
dry sluice
What about like cannibal undertaker and half of BMR 👀
They don't interact with the nominations phase, they interact with who gets executed. So they're not problematic at all
hollow oasis
Vortox cere ET stuff
sour harness
They already mentioned fg tc witch
The other one is just vortox but that doesn't really count
sour harness
They don't interact with the nominations phase, they interact with who gets exec...
Ah ok
hollow oasis
Ah
sour harness
Well yeah cerenovus mutant but that's its own thing
hollow oasis
Evil twin
dry sluice
Basically, I like how BoTC's nomination phase is a fun way for people to decide who gets executed. I dislike how Flowergirl makes everyone say "okay who wants to execute player A? seems like enough people to do it. in that case let's tell people X, Y, Z, W to vote on it for Flowergirl info"
sour harness
I mean as a player you can just not agree to that meta and vote how you want
sour harness
Flowergirl is stronger with imperfect info because it's a social character
hollow oasis
You can still vote
hollow oasis
But it’s not badly
sour harness
I'm saying that it's not playing badly
hollow oasis
It’s just having bigger priorities than one info role who could also just be evil
sour harness
If you’re already confirmed by info before
^^^ SnV's misinfoscape allows this, if you've been in a fg no before you can just vote
Barring vortox
But then you solve that it's vortox and reverse it
hollow oasis
Barring vortox
(If you’ve been in an Fg yes before)
sour harness
Nah if you're in a yes in non vortox worlds you could be tainting info on other players
If you're in a no, you're not the demon
sour harness
Fwiw if SnV had a poisoner this fundamentally wouldn't work
hollow oasis
Poisoner would destroy SNV
sour harness
Oh absolutely
hollow oasis
as much as poisoner vortox is cool
sour harness
If the evil team asks for it 🤷
Look if they have an ET and a pithag it really really isn't a problem for evil
hollow oasis
“Hi yes I’d like to lose my wincon”
hollow oasis
Look if they have an ET and a pithag it really really isn't a problem for evil
Ok that’s fair
dry sluice
Sweetheart drunk Vortox going into final 3: cool
Sweetheart drunk Vortox going into final 7 with no claimed twin pair: what are you doing
sour harness
I mean yeah it's not something you can just do whenever
Ideally get the evil team's consent first
It's very player dependent
shrewd cloud
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
I’m not sure if I’d consider Lunatic really liked but I really don’t care for it at all
dry sluice
I like Lunatic and I'm happy that my group's very-low-private-communication meta makes it plausible to fool a Lunatic for the entire game.
shrewd cloud
Lunatic where
Just in general. I get it’s not meant to be fooled the entire game but it figures out what it is on the first whisper of the entire game way too often to me (I am an online player for the record)
hollow oasis
Just in general. I get it’s not meant to be fooled the entire game but it figure...
Same
Lunatic works when evils have no need to live
feral snow
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
Storm Catcher
I don’t understand it
Or most fabled that arent for their original purpose (like rev pairs not for accommodation)
zenith lotus
how is stormcatcher not used for its original purpose?
zenith lotus
oh
feral snow
I should have been clearer sorry
barren zenith
Sometimes I wonder why someone would put it in script
It's so fun to solve your/someone else's ability imo
feral snow
I love amnesiac but it really shouldn’t be in the top 5 most used townsfolk
It can’t work in a lot of scripts and I know people misuse it a lot
tall raft
I don’t like amni, it feels weird in any script. If I need a role filled I’ll add that role, not amni
feral snow
I agree with this for the most part
It’s absolutely not a script filler
If you want Amne you need to want Amne
feral snow
Right
shrewd cloud
Amne’s definitely one of those characters that has a lot of “flashiness” to it. I think a lot of players have that phase where they are lowkey obsessed with super flashy experimental characters
feral snow
Yeah there’s definitely a “woah this is insane and cool I wanna use this all the time” phase for a lot of the popular characters
shrewd cloud
Even some less popular characters fall into that category. I’ve seen people be like “Cult Leader sounds so interesting and cool!”
And then they play with it a few times and move on since CL is certainly the character of all time
supple dirge
I don't really like boomdandy, I prefer games go down to the wire in final 3 and don't really like the trade off of losing that for a big explosive moment
karmic slate
<:general:799483064639029270> I'm slowly coming around to the role, but very slo...
I think a big way to help General is to dial back the levels and just go 3 stars! The nuance of 5+ is great for the ST to say "hey you guys are doing well but the poisoner hit someone strong" but for the player it's really confusing I think. But a general "Evil" says more
feral snow
I think general really benefits from telling the ST what towns plan is
The more the ST knows about the game state, the better the info will be
If evil has a bunch of players still alive but good is confident they want to execute the demon tomorrow, learning good is winning is reasonable
next marlin
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
Amnesiac is already given (it's such an ST and player pain separately), Lunatic is already given (it very nearly doesn't work in modern online games, especially with more than one minion)
Radical third option...Klutz? A lot of people find it one of the more interesting outsiders, but it's so volatile and in practice I find it way more interesting as a bluff than an actual role
You either end the game (which ends the game) or confirm a good player (which means worldbuilding now needs to warp around someone being good in a way that is otherwise rarely possible on its homescript and benefits town a lot)
severe raven
For me, the reason I like Amnesiac so much is because it's the only character that is a true inductive logic puzzle, and that's something I see so rarely in games.
But I don't like it with characters like Poisoner, Vortox, and Xaan that can interfere with the induction itself, unless you bootleg that guesses are immune to droison/Vortox/||I don't need to name this character||. It's also a shame when the Amnesiac dies early, before you could reasonably expect to have solved the ability (again, unless the estee allows guessing while dead). It's also better in Leviathan games or larger games for the same reason.
Speaking of Xaan... I kind of still feel like it's a bit unbalanced specifically at base 0 outsiders. X=1 at base 0 nullifies a lot of information AND adds an Outsider; the same X at base 2 nullifies the YSKs and other first night/first day info but removes an Outsider.
gray ridge
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
Mandatory Bounty Hunter mention
Id say BH DA Preacher
Not sure if ppl like Preacher but I dont like it
hollow oasis
People don’t like preacher much
indigo osprey
Preacher is just tricky to script and world build
by the time preacher did anything, evil can probably find out who it is and kill the
dry sluice
I don't love preacher, primarily because of the swinginess of the blind N1 pick
indigo osprey
people in general aren't big fan of swingy characters (and, imo, for good reason)
hollow oasis
Thank god legion isn’t swingy (clueless)
gray ridge
So just BH and DA
gray ridge
For the overhated part Id say organ grinder ngl, its way more interesting to play after the rework
indigo osprey
they killed organ grinder imo
indigo osprey
it's no longer possible to pithag a good player into organ grinder and laugh maniacally into the chaos you caused
which is the whole fun part of that ability
hollow oasis
But now the OG can do this:
indigo osprey
not as much fun
hollow oasis
“Guys I think it’s a poisoner world”
3 days later
“It’s definitely a poisoner world”
SIKE ORGAN GRINDER
STEER TO ORGAN GRINDER WORLDS AHHHHHHHHH
indigo osprey
yeah, not as funny imi
feral snow
Organ Grinder is different but not bad
hollow oasis
Now you don’t need a Pithag
hollow oasis
it also now registers to chambermaid
indigo osprey
they nerfed the fun out of organ grinder
hollow oasis
So that’s cool i guess
indigo osprey
but sure, as a minion now it's fine
hollow oasis
it wasn’t a nerf
It was a rebalancing
because sometimes
You don’t know when you need to evil rise up
indigo osprey
they nerfed the fun out of organ grinder
please read the entire sentence
sour harness
Mandatory Bounty Hunter mention
People like bounty hunter???
sour harness
It's an elder like
sour harness
Hounty Bunter (Outsider): You start knowing an evil player. [1 Townsfolk is evil]
Goes kinda hard
indigo osprey
bounty hunter is swingy
sour harness
Very
indigo osprey
and people do't like swingy characters
hollow oasis
The info isn't all that fun
next marlin
> Hounty Bunter (Outsider): You start knowing an evil player. [1 Townsfolk is ev...
again1 good character is evil and known by the Demon. If you correctly publicly guess (once) who they are, learn the evil team that night.
sour harness
True
indigo osprey
in a homebrew, I fixed bounty hunter too: '1 good player might be evil, if so: -1 outsider'
hollow oasis
wahy
sour harness
again```1 good character is evil and known by the Demon. If you correctly public...
Yeah that's just more fun isn't it
I'd use setup text tho
hollow oasis
@primal crescent More unnessecary outsider mod again
sour harness
Ok no need to ping him every time lol
indigo osprey
this (imo) isn't bad outsider mod: it just replaces an evil townsfolk by a townsfolk
sour harness
That's also... fine outsider mod??
-1 on a tf is a bit sketchy
But that's the only problem
hollow oasis
the evil TF must claim outsider
indigo osprey
they don't have to
next marlin
Ok no need to ping him every time lol
yeah no we should save randomly pinging luis in order to randomly ping him for the livetext scheduled he isn't signed up for instead (ignore that he doesn't play livetext)
hollow oasis
or confirm the bounty hunter by count
sour harness
yeah no we should save randomly pinging luis in order to randomly ping him for t...
TRUE
that's in ~2 hours right
hollow oasis
vatcidial
indigo osprey
ffs, you guys can be so very ignoring
next marlin
or confirm the bounty hunter by count
works if drunk is on script
sour harness
I'm not signed up but hmmm maybe I wanna play
next marlin
that's in ~2 hours right
yes
hollow oasis
i'm gonna play a livetext
indigo osprey
the specific homebrew script has 4 hidden outsiders with tons of outsider modification
next marlin
I'm not signed up but hmmm maybe I wanna play
you're rsvped as a maybe
next marlin
and he's rsvped as a yes lmao
hollow oasis
i'm signed up for a vat livetext rn
next marlin
Just don't let me cook
time isn't real, and neither are nuclear weapons, madness executions, or townsfolky amnesiacs
hollow oasis
time isn't real, and neither are nuclear weapons, madness executions, or townsfo...
the bomb isn't real?
sour harness
time isn't real, and neither are nuclear weapons, madness executions, or townsfo...
Look the amne was outsidery so I had to let the mutant be townsidery
hollow oasis
Look the amne was outsidery so I had to let the mutant be townsidery
lmao
next marlin
the bomb isn't real?
we had a livetext in which, amongst several other things, the spy and widow were trying to drop the bomb together because "all fableds are in play" and that technically does not exclude the bomb
hollow oasis
what the fuck
next marlin
technically true
sour harness
The widow poisoned the spy (vati)
next marlin
also I was widow-poisoned so I technically couldn't reg good to the bomb but I was being barista sobered every night
so it worked out
zenith lotus
*what the fuck*
welcome to livetext teensies
primal crescent
<@449629894331072522> More unnessecary outsider mod again
I was summoned?
sour harness
welcome to livetext teensies
This was NOT a teensy
primal crescent
Ok no need to ping him every time lol
Also i'm okay w getting pinged lmao
sour harness
This was a threensy
hollow oasis
I was summoned?
'1 good player might be evil, if so: -1 outsider' for BH
primal crescent
if anything i want to get pinged for stuff bc there's so many channels
sour harness
Also i'm okay w getting pinged lmao
Ok lol I just see it a lot
primal crescent
'1 good player might be evil, if so: -1 outsider' for BH
what the actual fuck
ivory ridge
we had a livetext in which, *amongst several other things*, the spy and widow we...
what
hollow oasis
(popcorn eating ensues)
ivory ridge
is the amne ability fucking "every fabled is in here"
sour harness
what the actual fuck
Besides -1 on a tf it's conceptually fine
sour harness
is the amne ability fucking "every fabled is in here"
No that just happened
primal crescent
Besides -1 on a tf it's conceptually *fine*
it really really isn't 💀
zenith lotus
is the amne ability fucking "every fabled is in here"
no, it was that everyone was immortal
primal crescent
"I love it when my Townsfolk ability adds more Townsfolk"
sour harness
The amne ability was "nobody can die" (in a leviathan game)
primal crescent
why the fuck are you guys so fucking annoying bitches about this?
????????????????
Adrian there's no need for that kind of abhorrance
hollow oasis
The amne ability was "nobody can die" (in a leviathan game)
huh
indigo osprey
don't go after the guy who is being bullied as the perpetrator here
I share a random thing from a homebrew script out of contexta
ivory ridge
The amne ability was "nobody can die" (in a leviathan game)
how the fuck is good supposed to win
indigo osprey
and nerdguy goes immediately haywire on it like 'look at that idiot'
ivory ridge
nobody can die (beside the demon)?
indigo osprey
even literally calling in other people go to even harder on 'look at that idiot'
that's just fucking rude
indigo osprey
there is literally no need for that
hollow oasis
the wall of text is held by luis and luis alone
indigo osprey
you don't have to point fingers and go 'please, some one, call that guyu an idiot'
primal crescent
Adrian after reading above, not once did Nerdguy directly insult you, they were talking about your suggestion being not the best
indigo osprey
if you don't see how fucking insanely dickish behavior that is, I feel sorry for you
hollow oasis
I criticize characters, not people
indigo osprey
you don't have to insult someone directly, to clearly being a bully that is insulting
yeah, syre
the cowards bully defense
you do you
hollow oasis
what
sour harness
Can we not antagonize people please
indigo osprey
you were being a prick
sour harness
We have a ticket system for a reason
primal crescent
^^^
hollow oasis
fair enough
primal crescent
I was about to say
sour harness
If you have a problem with someone or their actions, please open a ticket
primal crescent
I'd like to suggest that this gets moved to a ticket
sour harness
There's a much more civil way to deal with this than attacking them back
primal crescent
and I'd also be happy to comment in each as you guys wish
hollow oasis
you were being a prick
I wasn't tring to insult you, just... the Outsider mod felt arbitrary
sour harness
Ur not helping rn
primal crescent
yeah i think we should just drop this for now
zenith lotus
what was the prompt again?
sour harness
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
.
primal crescent
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
indigo osprey
the weirdest character I see on a lot of scripts where it has no point being is grandmother
hollow oasis
pacifist is cool
hollow oasis
the weirdest character I see on a lot of scripts where it has no point being is ...
very true
primal crescent
but also i get that loads of STs are just shit at running it 💀
hollow oasis
people forget the second half
hollow oasis
but also i get that loads of STs are just shit at running it 💀
yeaaaaaa
pacifist is weird
sour harness
I think pacifist is amazing
ME TOO
sour harness
Paci?
hollow oasis
paci
hollow oasis
My legion script with paci/DA/Alch DA
indigo osprey
pacifist is potentially a virgin where no one needs to die on customs - insanely powerful
feral snow
Good storyteller Pacifist is awesome
primal crescent
😔
sour harness
TRUE
primal crescent
ivory ridge
not necessarily
indigo osprey
pumpkin ('good people that good people are mad that they are evil might not die') should be a real character
sour harness
so therefore pumpkin is an outsider?
Oh it absolutely is
hollow oasis
(don't put with DA)
feral snow
Oh it absolutely is
Only if evils can be spooky
ivory ridge
if pumpkin is on script
hollow oasis
not hard to be spooky as an evil player
sour harness
Did it specify good players lol
feral snow
Yeah you’re pretty scary sometimes
hollow oasis
so Johnny is a psychopath
which is spooky for a horror movie right?
therefore
all psychopaths cannot die because pumpkin
genius
primal crescent
yk what
homebrew has completely fried my brain
bc i just look at the vanilla characters and think "damn this stuff is so boring" 😭
hollow oasis
I cannot homebrew for the life of me
feral snow
I have the opposite problem
Every time I try to make homebrew I end up making base characters again
primal crescent
r/accidentalbotc
hollow oasis
or some weird thing
ivory ridge
every time i try to make homebrew i stopped
hollow oasis
my moonshine is poisoned i say, poisoned
ivory ridge
to be honest, a net benefit trait i feared
primal crescent
bc i just look at the vanilla characters and think "damn this stuff is so boring...
fwiw that's increasingly likely when you have over 800 characters as a group
maybe even 1000
hollow oasis
Hystrex told me to do a new game my homebrew was so weird
lol
(it was gonna be a script with 4 types of legion)
sour harness
bc i just look at the vanilla characters and think "damn this stuff is so boring...
Nooooo
sour harness
fwiw that's increasingly likely when you have *over 800 characters as a group*
That's true lol
hollow oasis
He's been lost to the Bootlegger
primal crescent
every time i try to make homebrew i stopped
i mean this is why i like just making characters individually
ivory ridge
(it was gonna be a script with 4 types of legion)
i'd kms before touching it i can't lie
sour harness
Hystrex told me to do a new game my homebrew was so weird
I do that a lot fwiw
primal crescent
i mean this is why i like just making characters individually
because it means that you don't have to commit to 30 characters at once
sour harness
(it was gonna be a script with 4 types of legion)
Again, I think this is a really cool concept for social deduction. But botc is not the medium for it
sour harness
because it means that you don't have to commit to 30 characters at once
Luis how many 30 character scripts are you making
I'm scared
sour harness
25 is standard??
hollow oasis
26 scripts
sour harness
i'm not creative enough to make my own rules tho 💀
The biggest reason the concept doesn't fit into botc imo is public voting
sour harness
800/30 = 26.666666666666666666666666666666
Oh 💀
hollow oasis
who needs a calculator
sour harness
The biggest reason the concept doesn't fit into botc imo is public voting
Legion is cool and all but it's like that because botc isn't built for legion types. NWC even needs to patch up comintern using the bomb
("patch up" may be pushing it but still)
hollow oasis
patch up is accurate
sour harness
Have a private voting system where only good votes count
sour harness
patch up is accurate
Yeah ok lol
primal crescent
Have a private voting system where only good votes count
Matsuraid...
sour harness
Have a private voting system where only good votes count
And maybe you're trying to vote for good players, not evils 👀
primal crescent
Matsuraid was literally derived from a SDG i was about to make lmao
sour harness
Matsuraid...
Actually this is a genuine good piece of inspiration for a legion like
primal crescent
😭
hollow oasis
Matsuraid is great design
sour harness
I need to play a matsu game one of these days
feral snow
It feels like it shouldn’t work but I think it does
primal crescent
It feels like it shouldn’t work but I think it does
oh it works
it works like a charm lmao
(flashbacks to the icarus matsu teensy with 5 residents 💀)
sour harness
5 residents.......... how many travs
next marlin
homebrew has completely fried my brain
I am not particularly interested in homebrew as a class but I am also psychically battling tpi to release occultist as an official role
feral snow
I mean it’s known from QnA’s and the wiki that there are a bunch of madness characters, so we can have faith that they will one day
supple dirge
The rulebook says about a dozen, probably more have been created in the years since then
feral snow
Yeah that’s the number I was going off of
Of which 4 are released (Mutant, Cere, Pixie, Harpy)
hollow oasis
We also know of ||Thespian,Klaun,Queen,Tipi-Tipi||
dry sluice
Late, but: Tacking on outsider mod for balance is good. -1 Outsider on a TF can be fine. The important thing is that the overall character is balanced. The point of Luis' "lol never add outsider mod for balance", as I gather, is that outsider mod can change a character's balance in ways more complicated than just "adding outsiders is good for evil."
gray ridge
We also know of ||Thespian,Klaun,Queen,Tipi-Tipi||
||Hustler, Strongman, Imposter||
primal crescent
Late, but: Tacking on outsider mod for balance is good. -1 Outsider on a TF can ...
linus that's outlined in the copypasta lmao
and even then, in the very beginning of the copypasta, i literally say "and absolutely ignore this if you disagree"
(for context:)
oh wait no you were just saying what i was saying
sorry mb 😭
fast anchor
this just in: homebrewers cannot read either
naive flame
Any prompts so far chat..?
primal crescent
this just in: homebrewers cannot read either
we never could
for people that care so much about wording, we're surprisingly shit at reading
fast anchor
[time might be real or something]: What's a character that most people really se...
we have a prompt! @naive flame
tall raft
Late, but: Tacking on outsider mod for balance is good. -1 Outsider on a TF can ...
-1 outsider townsfolk can just replace outsiders arbitrarily
It’s extraordinarily hard to do.
I have never seen a working -1 outsider townsfolk that was well balanced.
ivory ridge
It’s extraordinarily hard to do.
I have never seen a working -1 outsider townsfo...
atheist
ivory ridge
wdym 😭
ivory ridge
It’s extraordinarily hard to do.
I have never seen a working -1 outsider townsfo...
huntsman hehe
tall raft
Huh?
ivory ridge
wait i didn't mean to ping
sorry
oh the joke is that huntsman hitting a damsel first night is technically -1 outsider
i do think -1 outsider is probs possible though
we've had strong tf that impact the set up to offset their ability after all
such as balloonist w/ +1 outsider and bh w/ +1 evil tf
technically cult leader too? but idk if turning evil is a downside tbh
fast anchor
the thing with [-1 Outsider] on a Townsfolk is that it basically has to be an outsider itself, right?
i've seen You start knowing an out-of-play Outsider. [-1 Outsider] and it didn't feel particularly interesting or unique?
ivory ridge
this remind me of the question i posed a few days ago
"is 1 tf 1 outsider or 2 blank token better for the good team"
flat lintel
this just in: homebrewers cannot read either
we know 😛
flat lintel
i've seen `You start knowing an out-of-play Outsider. [-1 Outsider]` and it didn...
so unless its a 9p, 12p, 15p, it gets no info
great
nvm
i cant read
ivory ridge
😭
flat lintel
but its still weak imo
99% of the time it gives me info i already know is not in play
ivory ridge
so in your opinion 2 blank < 1 tf 1 outsider i see
flat lintel
like for example, in a 10 player, what does it do
i dont know what you're referring to
in an 11 player, what does it really do
odds are, the st isn't giving you the bluffs of the outsider
and holding onto that info close to your chest is just not powerful info to hold
flat lintel
and in my opinion
so what 🤷♂️
adding a townsfolk isn't always the greatest powerful thing for town
i also would just find token lame
ivory ridge
wdym
flat lintel
like i basically learn something that i pretty much can deduce from the game 90% of the time (mind you exceptions being rare evil flips, drunk, and heretic) and a random townsfolk is added
ivory ridge
as an tf, removing an outsider just means you innately have more power than other townsfolk
i think
unless it's b0, then you just suck
flat lintel
eh, id rather have an outsider tbh if my main ability isn't fun
cause than i can at least account for an outsider or smth
flat lintel
a confirmed [-1 outsider] isn't strong imo
you still have to convince town of its presence
and you're sorta reworking how solving works
hollow oasis
-1 Outsider is literally
flat lintel
+1 townsfolk
hollow oasis
"Vanillager"
ivory ridge
a confirmed [-1 outsider] isn't strong imo
wait wdym
hollow oasis
at that point
hollow oasis
the TF is literally a blank token
flat lintel
what does pagan do again
hollow oasis
Well
flat lintel
is it that weird heretic cult one
hollow oasis
"If a Heretic is in play, all Good players know the players and characters of the evil team. [-1 Outsider or +Heretic]"
ivory ridge
-1 outsider on a tf (without other ability text) is strong because by definition, it always result in a stronger state for good:
if the original state is: 1 tf & 1 outsider -> good's power is 2 good + tf power - outsider power
w/ said tf (call it vt), the state is: 1 tf & 1 vt -> good's power is 2 good + tf power - 0
so explicitly, you are just straight up removing the negative aspect of an outsider
ivory ridge
wait...good townsfolk become pagan?
hollow oasis
pagan would have to out first
flat lintel
huh
hollow oasis
and also, it's easier to get the demon to kill themselves, than to kill a demon
pagan is a fun YSK
shrewd cloud
I get what Pagan’s going for, interesting idea though definitely a lot of things in one character text
ivory ridge
if there's no heretic
because tf wouldn't learn it
hollow oasis
it does keep it a TF
hollow oasis
yes
primal crescent
the thing with [-1 Outsider] on a Townsfolk is that it basically has to be an ou...
That's the issue, if you just make the Townsfolk an Outsider, all you've done is replace an outsider with another outsider lmao
indigo osprey
Hypothetical Bounty hunter (which started the discussion) replaced one outsider (bad for the good team) with an evil townsfolk (even worse for the good team). Which was less of an outsider than regular bountyhunter sometimes ends up being. You can disagree with that, but none of the usual ‘you shouldn’t do -1 outsider’ arguments applied to it.
Or more precise: the homebrew character replaced one outsider with an evil tf or outsider.
ivory ridge
That's the issue, if you just make the Townsfolk an Outsider, all you've done is...
Ok but hear me out: -2 Outsider and make the penalty even bigger
gusty bear
||mizu reinventing hermit from first principles||
primal crescent
Hypothetical Bounty hunter (which started the discussion) replaced one outsider...
fwiw I'm of the opinion that adding evil players that evil doesn't know about is only a slight advantage
indigo osprey
the script has grimpeakers
primal crescent
w e l l
I mean imo BH is balanced as is
it's just that you see too many people just making the BH evil for shits and giggles which ruins its balance
indigo osprey
bh is evil is just dumb
primal crescent
(it does have its places but not as many as people give it)
indigo osprey
anyway, I don't feel the need to discuss the entire homebrew or whatever, the point was that the -1 outsider wasn't 'out of the blue': it was connected to balance but in a way that was connecte dto the character eve though it didn't mention 'outsider' anywhere else in the character
primal crescent
no yeah, i mean it kinda makes sense in that you're adding an extra townsfolk who's evil, as opposed to blindly removing an Outsider for the sake of it
primal crescent
That said:
[time? what time?]: What's 1 thing that you wished a character did? (or multiple for that matter)
indigo osprey
A lot of speculated characters should exist as confirmed characters, but that's probably not the question.
High Priestess should have a more accurate token text that aligns with design intent (although I don't know what it is). Soldier should have something more interesting than 'just exist'. Dreamer should be less swingy on night 1.
I personally think plague doctor and hatter could use an 'on execution' clause. Or at least: 'Once per game, choose that you are drunk tonight.' to try and bait a kill or whatever
ivory ridge
||mizu reinventing hermit from first principles||
What is ||Hermit||
gusty bear
What is ||Hermit||
||you have the ability of all outsiders on script, you are the only outsider||
indigo osprey
better asked in speculation
sour harness
High Priestess should have a more accurate token text that aligns with design in...
I agree a lot with HP
sour harness
[time? what time?]: What's 1 thing that you wished a character did? (or multiple...
I wish huntsman was buffed enough that it could justify adding in an extra outsider at least sometimes
indigo osprey
Huntsman could be: 'You start knowing an outsider. Once per game, at night, choose a living player: the outsider you know, if chose, becomes a tf.'
(+1 outsider)
fun with heretic
sour harness
I mean at that point let's just use the FoR character
Scholar I think?
But I like huntsman being just for damsel tbh. Outsiders come out sometimes
sour harness
Help a good player solve the game by being super efficient in who they talk to and at what time
It's an advice role
ivory ridge
oh actually talking about controversial change
feral snow
I love high priestess
ivory ridge
I think even with Levi and Riot
feral snow
My reverse answer to the previous question is HP
ivory ridge
I want them to change Monk and Soldiers
Why can’t the Soldiers be immune to Psycho, Witch, Godfather… 😔
cold veldt
safe from the demon is much more specific wording than "you can't die at night" or something like that
i feel like it was intentional and not just a TB-focused oversight
indigo osprey
HP as written (to me) is 'Each night, learn a good player with sober and healthy information'. That is not how I run it (and nor how you should run it) but that is how I interpret the token text.
the problem is that' safe from the demon' doesn't mean anything if it just means 'you can't die by the demon' (+funky stuff with pukka and no dashii)
ivory ridge
safe from the demon is much more specific wording than "you can't die at night" ...
The thing is it only affects 2 unit beside demon 😭
Godfather and Gossip
cold veldt
oh wait you're wanting them to be safe from minions as well
ivory ridge
Oh I just feels like the spirit of Soldiers is “easy frame, the evil team can’t get rid of it unless frame”
indigo osprey
Soldier: 'You are safe from evil.' would be amazing
ivory ridge
But I do acknowledge that this is a more controversial opinion
indigo osprey
like imagine with immunirty, psychopath immunity, etc. (except assassin because assassin)
cold veldt
eh i like the poisoner interaction
ivory ridge
I just want to put soldiers in more script 😔
cold veldt
looking at tb, your only option being to poison the soldier at the cost of outing a poisoner if the soldier is hard-trusted is pretty neat
ivory ridge
No I like Soldiers Poisoner
I just don’t like Soldiers being to die at random in other script
feral snow
HP *as written* (to me) is 'Each night, learn a good player with sober and healt...
I really wish people didn’t read it this way
There are so many reasons to talk to people
I rarely solve the game by talking to the good player with healthy info
They’ll usually out that publicly
The person I should talk to most in private is the evil player double claiming whose info doesn’t line up
indigo osprey
imo you can create convoluted reasons for why talking to evil people might be useful
but if you learned each night a good player with sober and healthy info, it's going to be very easy to solve the game, because you don't have to spend time thinking about 'is this person perhaps evil? is this info perhaps poisoned?'
feral snow
Yes but that’s not the ability and if you know your ST is running it decently it’ll never just be that
indigo osprey
because 'the evil player double claiming whose info doesn't line up' requires additional teps: (1) you need other info, (2) you need to know what info to trust and what not
while 'oh, this guy is good (so not the demon) and they have a fortune teller yes on these 2 people? Well, they are now a sage and we can win the game'
I feel like we are going in circles now
because this all started with me explicitly saying that it shouldn't be run like that and that I don't run it like that
feral snow
Yeah and I agree with that. I just know some people run it the “sober healthy info” way and I’m sick of it
Honesty I’m not sure how you’d even reword the ability to prevent that
indigo osprey
well, you can't fault people from reading that token text and defaulting to tht
that's why... there is a discrepancy between token text and desgn intent
which is something - and here is the topic of the question - I wish was changed in botc
ivory ridge
There are so many reasons to talk to people
Every night: learn who you need to talk to prevent tunnelling
indigo osprey
if a bunch of people independent from each other interpret a character in the same inaccurate way, the problem is probably the character description
feral snow
Especially when it’s correct
ivory ridge
Especially when it’s correct
Damn if only that happen irl
When the fisherman advice is “You should stop cooking”, it’s joever for you
Hardest General 1 in the west
indigo osprey
I have given 'Keep doing what you are doing' to a fisherman as game winning advice
there was nothing left to give, they had solved the grim basically 10 seconds before they came to me for advice
this was like day 3 in a 14 player game, I believe
feral snow
“Make people believe everything you just said”
ivory ridge
When you think about it
HP is just “you should build a tunnel” and General is “you should follow a tunnel”
Idk I just wake up from a nap
Maybe I’ll regret saying this in an hour
hollow oasis
HP doesn’t have the characters that support it yet
It has a few
Heretic
Damsels
Huntsmen
stable latch
High Priestess is actually pretty good all in all IMO, general on the other hand…
feral snow
General benefits from the ST knowing as much as physically possible about the game, including plans and intentions that haven’t happened yet
I like it in theory
stable latch
Actually that sounds decent
I might think about making a TB clone with General and a few other additions
shrewd cloud
well, you can't fault people from reading that token text and defaulting to tht
Yeah, this
HP as just a good, healthy&sober detector is broken and not fun at all. But I think people need to acknowledge that a lot of the problem comes from the ability text itself and not solely just STs
I liked HP a lot when it was initially revealed but have honestly sort of fallen off from it. Though I do think when more characters and editions come out in the future it’ll be easier to run HP in a fun way instead of it being stuck on scripts where there’s stuff like Sage pings and FT pings running around lol
sour harness
I think "most" pulls way too much weight in its text
And people give it more weight than it even asks for
If someone just got snake charmed, they will almost certainly say so. They shouldn't take up the HP's ping for the day, I want to show the HP someone they weren't already gonna hear from
indigo osprey
A fortune teller with a ‘yes’ isn’t necssarily publicly outing, so a hp could be a fine spokesperson
Same with dreamers
tardy wyvern
HP is a very nuanced and versatile character and I don’t think there’s just one way to run it but sadly on like the first or second day there’s usually not too much you can do but “Sober TF with helpful info”
feral snow
Honestly I think HP needs a script that’s built around preventing that
Put things like Huntsman, Damsel, Poppy Grower, Snake Charmer
Give good and evil reasons to be secretive
ivory ridge
Honestly I think HP needs a script that’s built around preventing that
SNV + HP?
feral snow
no because its bad with Vortox lol
indigo osprey
HP gets send to mutant every day who is faking dreamer
karmic slate
Which is why it’s bad lol
sour harness
*because* of the hp
HP conversations shouldnt be self justifying imo
flat lintel
are yall social or mechanical players
flat lintel
and are you social or mechanical sts/script writers/homebrews
sour harness
i do both
flat lintel
i do both
yeah but even than you probably prioritze one over the other
like mechanical players look for worlds and than plug the socials back into said worlds
sour harness
maybe mechanics? not by much tho i dont think
depends on format tho
socials exist more irl
flat lintel
(which is probably the default of what most people do)
socials are just you look for weird socials and see where it breaks
i ask this bc im curious how the for hp and against hp people are when it comes to solving
shrewd cloud
Probably mechanical for me
feral snow
I’m definitely mechanical for 99% of the game except the very start or the very end, at which point I use socials to confirm my worlds
ivory ridge
I’m a mechanical player only because I have fucking horrendous social
(mechanical have often fail me more than not)
hollow oasis
Mechanical
ivory ridge
Mechanical never solves world low key
hollow oasis
(Livetext is too chaotic for solving for me)
ivory ridge
(Livetext is too chaotic for solving for me)
Tbf sometime you just get bombard with 5 days of bullshit savant info
next marlin
Tbf sometime you just get bombard with 5 days of bullshit savant info
1 savant, 5 days of savant info, none of which was from the savant
ivory ridge
1 savant, 5 days of savant info, none of which was from the savant
do you remember what did you give the savant?
next marlin
d1: "both minions neighbour exactly 1 non-townsfolk" (true, cere between banshee and pd, widow between general and poli)/"the traveller chose an evil player" (false, but he chose the poli; later info would've been able to differentiate poli from evil)
d2: "there is one living outsider" (false, poli and pm both alive, poli claiming townsfolk so hidden)/"a drunk or poisoned player has received true information at some point during the game" (true, the puzzledrunk 'pixie ft' had a true no)
notably there were not many people on the grim at that point who could be droisoned but have received true info and not be the savant himself
ivory ridge
i see
next marlin
so d2 would likely have narrowed down the puzzledrunk fairly quickly
assuming perfect town coordination
which for several reasons did not happen
acoustic chasm
mechanical player, with some attempts to generate socials to help that
mechanical script writer. That makes sense though. Knowing how characters work together is important
next marlin
Bluffed savant for 5 days such that basically all worldbuilding pinged on "either mizu is the savant or an evil [non-poli] bluffing savant"
next vault
ohhh
next marlin
The cere then locked the dead savant as pixie so he had to back up the poli savant
next vault
was the poli approached by evil?
next marlin
Not intentionally that I saw
next vault
oh ok
next marlin
They just quietly knew each other
next vault
with widow in play it would make sense
tacit fiber
The cere then locked the dead savant as pixie so he had to back up the poli sava...
yeah
tacit fiber
They just quietly knew each other
I alleyooped with mizu basically
tall raft
Honestly I think HP needs a script that’s built around preventing that
Cough A Duo of Disputative Demons Cough
lost thistle
what the fucj
next marlin
oh shit is this your first time hearing about #time-isnt-real
lost thistle
im sorry? what the fuck is the immortality curse amne live text leviathan featuring the bomb from new world chaos
next marlin
it was so based
gusty bear
you say this like it isn't 3 days old vati
next marlin
yes and half the server has heard of it already
gusty bear
it's hilarious to me that you went all the way down to the text channels to talk about it
next marlin
next marlin
it's hilarious to me that you went all the way down to the text channels to talk...
Sterling asked (he did not)
gusty bear
vati was in kib
next marlin
Because I had already seen the grim, openly
lost thistle
what the fucj
next marlin
Also because I was specifically doing a bit where I misregistered as a good townsfolk to the Leviathan
So town needed to know
next marlin
the thing is the SINGLE funniest part of this game was the whisper between me and axo, which can't be backread
feral snow
what the fuck is a threensy
3 player teensy
feral snow
grand dad?
This and flintstones is just an obscure ass meme
sour harness
why was this publicly announced by the st
it was legal I promise
gusty bear
hystrex i don't think legality is what people are concerned about here
next marlin
I don't think the fisherspy thing was legal but we can say the amne did it
sour harness
the thing is the SINGLE funniest part of this game was the whisper between me an...
I absolutely love how the only whisper in the entire game was 2 players who were both publicly known to have the grim
Well. "Grim"
next marlin
I absolutely love how the only whisper in the entire game was 2 players who were...
I wasn't letting town hear the fisherspy advice
also we needed to work out the borderlands of 'all fableds'
sour harness
TPI fabled + s0i lol
sour harness
I don't think the fisherspy thing was legal but we can say the amne did it
It wasn't lol
next marlin
if I manifest the bomb in play it will enter play
sour harness
Next time maybe
gusty bear
vati so commie paranoid he drops the bomb even outside of nwc
next marlin
anyway what the fuck is the immortality curse amne live text leviathan featuring the bomb from new world chaos is a secret-thing quote of all time
next marlin
I absolutely love how the only whisper in the entire game was 2 players who were...
I also love how every single evil player was completely, unambiguously, beyond a shadow of a doubt outed except Proxi
including the demon
social_deduction.txt
It was basically an atheist game except it had a losing team
sour harness
That's why at the end I said "yeah everyone won but technically there was a winning team not that it matters"
Anyways this is one of my favorite interactions from the game
ivory ridge
how did 7 from livetext come from
zenith lotus
miha
i think
it started as a small joke and is now a staple of every single livetext game
next marlin
That's why at the end I said "yeah everyone won but technically there was a winn...
Objectively speaking, a game like this should probably be atheist. However: "spy and widow drop the bomb" is peak Clocktower
hollow oasis
oh absolutely
ivory ridge
[1D/C/7E8]: It’s time for your monthly Whalebucket Draft question!
Choose 3 Townsfolk, 1 Outsider, 1 Minion and 1 Demon! (no unreleased or homebrew characters)
Here’s the catch: you will be drafting for another player on the grim. You don’t know who, nor what their alignment will be.
What will you choose?
dense hound
Pixie/Philo/Alch, Plague Doctor, Boffin and Lord of Typhon
sour harness
[1D/C/7E8]: It’s time for your monthly Whalebucket Draft question!
Choose 3 To...
Oooo fun gimmick
hollow oasis
needs more TF(it's 3 TF)
sour harness
Oh right
hollow oasis
also new icon
ivory ridge
(I might or might not make a grim out of this)
dense hound
we really are liking the +1 minion demons
next marlin
building "someone who could be a collaborator or a competitor" is weird
actually no second thoughts, pukka mayor sucks
I want a demon that expands worldbuilding but has counterplay
can't do vigor because the minions will probably suck for it, imp expands a bit TOO much, typhon is a possibility
lleech has pukka's problem that you just cannot go for a mayor win
let's just take imp
the minions are likely to be loudish
so starpasses are semi-trackable
sour harness
BMRcore
gusty bear
<:gambler:586693971384729610> <:innkeeper:586693972626505758> <:gossip:586693972...
anyway these are all mostly traceable characters so i can determine if there's a heretic or not whilst still giving someone a strong character
ivory ridge
Omg we got 7 people, I could draft this
I’ll wait to see if there’s any response and post a grim tomorrow same time
next marlin
I can't wait to be the organ grinder in a trivially solvable typhon line
foggy grotto
do we have a question for today yet
sharp violet
foggy grotto
[1D/C/7E8]: It’s time for your monthly Whalebucket Draft question!
Choose 3 To...
i’m statistically likely to be good so i’m putting in things that’ll be strong for the good team
gusty bear
not if everyone rolls evil from l o t
foggy grotto
zoinks
stable latch
ivory ridge
Why no atheist
Watch as I make you the Atheist and vat the Amne with the ability “all TF are drunk, even if dead”
karmic rose
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1 legion
gray ridge
lunatic legion
gusty bear
ooh legion is a better shout for my purposes than zombuul
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I can't wait for mizu to post the grim of 8 legions and me as the alsaahir
(I win d1)
gusty bear
so you picked noble for them??
ivory ridge
I can't wait for mizu to post the grim of 8 legions and me as the alsaahir
What?
If I ever do an 8 legion game
Nerdguy would be the alsahiir
100%
And it’s up to you to fake Vortox PitHag
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No, the other legions fake it and I play outed evil pithag
Anyway I was assigning myself as the solo townsfolk for the correct "immediate paranoid explosion" aesthetic
fast anchor
so you picked noble for them??
NOBLE IS FUN WDYM 😭😭
lean isle
flat lintel
how come nobody told me
that the original comment on this post
was in past tense for some reason
ivory ridge
ok so turn out this grim is harder i expect 💀 give it a bit more
sour harness
Oh I didn't make the grim for mine
ivory ridge
after some consideration, this is the grim i ended up with
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I can work with this
ivory ridge
gambler is the one i'm most concerned about, but just frame them lol
hollow oasis
lol i added a recluse
ivory ridge
anyway don't blame me, blame what you peer have chosen
hollow oasis
nice
ivory ridge
your role is directly influence by your counterclockwise neighbor 😭
hollow oasis
entertainment
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Actually I think I got the best role on this grim, that's hilarious
sour harness
after some consideration, this is the grim i ended up with
I'll take it
Recluse is less fun without TB OM but it's fine
fast anchor
after some consideration, this is the grim i ended up with
Kenoboi is shitting a brick rn
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Yeah that is incredible
fast anchor
I'm pretty happy with this eden though I'm wasting a day checking the all-legion world
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It's fine! He's learning my savant info every day
ivory ridge
I'm pretty happy with this eden though I'm wasting a day checking the all-legion...
There was an iteration with minstrel in so I’d say you get off easy
Plus everyone gonna totally tunnel on the LoT world
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There was an iteration with minstrel in so I’d say you get off easy
Just don't play "chaos baron"
Play chaos witch and self-curse so they can't execute you, though
zenith lotus
nah, play witch but good and curse the minstrel
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Yeah but minstrel is a bluff like 70% of the time and if you witchkill them they're proportionately less likely to be bluffing
zenith lotus
says the person who just wanted to self curse
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It's the flowergirl problem. If the flowergirl lives to d2 and is still the flowergirl you have to frame them
Because anything else soft confirms their info
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says the person who just wanted to self curse
The wheels turn eternally
gray ridge
after some consideration, this is the grim i ended up with
Witch 🙈
sharp violet
Kenoboi is shitting a brick rn
you're welcome Kenoboi
It's my (second) favorite role!
ivory ridge
baron singlehandedly the strongest minion here my adding a bazillion misinfo source
it's kinda funny
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I'm carrying 🔥
ivory ridge
I'm carrying 🔥
you didn't even do anything 😭
foggy grotto
after some consideration, this is the grim i ended up with
oh joy it’s my least favorite townsfolk (lie)
i hate CL much more
ivory ridge
oh joy it’s my least favorite townsfolk (lie)
don't worry, i'll make you to send you to whoever bluff savant every time
and also the slayer on f5, and pixie when one of the minion die
foggy grotto
who picked for me btw
zenith lotus
vgvideo
ivory ridge
but if you're talking who did you get it from, it's your counterclockwise neighbor
aka vgvideo
ivory ridge
here's the full chart
ivory ridge
😭
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don't worry, i'll make you to send you to whoever bluff savant every time
It's me and you know it
(parker is going to be stuck with pixie after we both instantly claim savant out of the gate)
ivory ridge
(parker is going to be stuck with pixie after we both instantly claim savant out...
make sure all your savant statement are stolen from the bank and/or rehash of other character's ability
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I made a variant with a typhon line because everyone picked typhon
I don't think the minion choices I reserved actually match up perfectly with the picks but that's kind of a problem that emerges when you superimpose typhon on this
@foggy grotto always canni meta
oh wait 4 minions, gimme a sec
fixed
boffin atheist 🔥
dense hound
well i gotta widow poison that savant dont i
ivory ridge
but i didn't because of a petty reason haha
fast anchor
fixed
you couldve turned nerdguy and you instead turned sharkly 😭
we couldve had the dream team but now hes gonna get fish advice and eat us alive
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you couldve turned nerdguy and you instead turned sharkly 😭
I think turning the math is better for evil than turning the fish
ivory ridge
the reason btw is that i just
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But it depends on the fish advice