For the Worthy

[paper sedge]

First of all, pretty cool script but I do have some problems with some of the evil roles

Plague:what if the chosen townsfolk role isn’t in play, do they not use their ability, or is it wasted? Also does the poison last 1 night or the entire game?

Wolf:you should probably use “outsider” instead of “non-townsfolk” since the minions can just no,image the wolf twice and just instantly win, that or put the number up to like 5 (since it’s basically leviathan at that point but with kill power)

Vulture:does the minion ability get replaced or does the minion have both of the abilities? (No other problems just need it for clarification) also does the vulture get to pick which minion and ability?

Tarantula:there is nothing stopping town from agreeing on D1 that it’s a tarantula game, so make it like atheist and if tarantula isn’t in play good team loses

The only good role I need clarification for is

Winemaker:do they immdeatly learn that that a winemaker is in play? If they do then the role might aswell make evil people not nominate, I mean the winemaker can just say 4 demon names and just make everyone nominate themselves, and if the winemaker is correct about the demon then that’s a D1 rerack

Also these are just suggestions you don’t need to implement them except like 2 (wolf and tarantula since they are both very gamebreaking) but overall pretty cool script and I like it

Oh yeah also I would recommend this

Pastor:the demon cannot get this as a bluff

Since that is basically an insta-win button if they play it well enough, they should at least gamble if it’s in play or not because it would then be a Hail Mary for the demon

[chilly flicker]

All of your question a valid and I answered a lot of them in the almanac simply because I didn't have enough room on the script itself to answer them.

Wolf: Minions nominating Wolf (or wolf nominating themself) is part of the ability because if someone believes a minion is nominating a wolf they can just kill the wolf. Part of the challenge of Wolf is to try and secretly nominate the demon without making it obvious that's what you're doing

Plague: The poison is permanent, moves when the poisoned player dies. and if they don't choose an in play character they lose their ability. (Clarified in Almanac)

Vulture: Minion has both abilities and knows what both of them are (Clarified in Almanac)

Tarantula: If the majority agrees a Taranula is in play when it's not in play, evil wins (Clarified in Almanac)

Winemaker: I think you read it wrong if they Don't nominate then they die. They can only choose 1 character each night and it forces that player to nominate tomorrow or die

Pastor: Pastor is definitely not an insta-win button because if people don't trust the pastor they won't confess to them

[paper sedge]

Oh then I read winemaker wrong, sorry and yeah pastor is really a trust reliant ability, but you could increase wolf from 3 to 2 since if an outsider accidentally noms themself, there is the chance that someone would think that a minion nominated the demon because of the hex so it can go wrong very fast for good, but at a 9 player game I do see it as probably the most balanced option

[paper sedge]

But still tho winemaker can be a problem, what if they pick all the demon roles, and for the next 4 days everyone says “if you nominate then you probably know there is a winemaker in play, AKA your evil” so it should force people to nominate, like “if at least 1/3 of the alive people don’t nominate then evil wins”

So evil has an option in surviving at least

And maybe make winemaker a N2 and beyond role

[broken abyss]

Winemaker seems fine to me. i think you're both underestimating how long a span of 4 days is (time-wise, that's equivalent to an entire set of Balloonist info, which is pretty uncommon in my experience), as well as making the assumption that players would always be willing to adhere to the self-imposed nomination restrictions (which is comparable to trying to consistently get perfect Town Crier splits, which are also uncommon in my experience).

[paper sedge]

Yeah but if the winemaker hits the demon N1 and no one agrees to nominate that day, and no heir has been heard of then what can they do about it?

That’s why it should be a N2 ability, but I do understand that 4 days is a lot of time

Even on a N2 snipe that would be dangerous but has a bigger chance of living then on a day 1 snipe

[broken abyss]

that's a lot of "if"s that are contingent on the town being cooperative and trustful of each other, i don't really see this as being a scenario that comes up too much. and even if it does, it's kind of comparable to a d1 Slayer shot, so i still don't think it's a huge issue.

[paper sedge]

Yes but they will always happen in every few games

But also if there is no heir, then really there is no point in nomming/killing someone

On D1

Other then a wolf charge/winemaker snipe

[chilly flicker]

If everyone agrees to do the no nominate strat, they waste a day they could have killed someone and the Demon can just kill the winemaker if they attempt to do the strat publicly

[paper sedge]

Yes but what can killing someone on day 1 do? Out their role/bluff?

And if it’s a strong one they are most certainly garuanteed to die

[chilly flicker]

What? I was responding to the Winemaker choose all 4 demons and saying no one is allowed to nominate.

[paper sedge]

And I was responding to the “they wasted a day they could have killed someone”

[exotic saddle]

Tax collector is not a townsfolk

[chilly flicker]

They can choose themself if they don't want to risk turning someone evil otherwise it is a very powerful townsfolk with an equally bad drawback

[exotic saddle]

If the tax collector actually uses their ability, then if they learn an evil player, great. But if they learn a good player, they have to kill them or add an evil player to the roster, or kill themselves I guess. I dont think its a good tradeoff

Also, wolf is too strong, as minions can nominate the demon late into the day while someone is on the block, give a purposely weak accusation, and the second time, evil just wins.

[chilly flicker]

I can't really defend it well because it's not my idea it's a speculation and spoiler character ||The Witch Hunter|| I just changed it's name (I check and I was allowed to copy the idea)

[exotic saddle]

Also, I'm presuming vulutre just gives a minion a second ability?

[chilly flicker]

I do agree with the Wolf I'm trying to think of changes.

[exotic saddle]

Finally, I assume tarantula would be run like a cult vote "I'd like to say a tarantula is in play"

[chilly flicker]

Yes, a lot of characters have more detailed description in the almanac because I didn't have enough room to put it on the main script. Tarantula is another one

[chilly flicker]

Correct

[turbid garnet]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't good just always do the tarantula vote D1? There is seemingly no downside, and they win all tarantula games.

Oh nevermind

Ignore me I didn't see above clarification

||also I see that Witch Hunter||

[chilly flicker]

I've lost track of the hours I spent trying to shrink the text on tarantula because every single person who's looked at the script has had this very valid question, but I just can't think of a way to shrink it.

[turbid garnet]

Eh
It's kinda like Atheist, you just have to clarify in the almanac

Which you do so

[exotic saddle]

Each night choose any number of players, they are poisoned, the 1st chosen dies. If a majority of players vote you are in play, good wins if you are in play, otherwise evil wins

Also, cool travelers

[chilly flicker]

I am tempted to do this but it doesn't look as nice