Doors Discussion

[unborn lichen]

Which is weird but ok

[fierce zinc]

What about the oral sex that was alleged in the document

The blowjob

[unborn lichen]

I think its only genital that counts

[fierce zinc]

In California, oral sex is also considered rape.

Hold on

[unborn lichen]

Wait really?

[fierce zinc]

“Finally, you intended on having sexual intercourse, sodomy, or oral sex, or to have anyone involved with the material touch an intimate body part.”

California Penal Code §288.2(a)(1)

Secondary source of law: https://www.kannlawoffice.com/rape.html

[tepid nest]

the community is not for responsible for anything but both sides are being highly immature imo

[fierce zinc]

Oral sex is on the same grounds in California, also I don’t believe zeal has a case because there isn’t a lot of evidence for him to use and barely any support for him

[tepid nest]

I’ve seen people treating this shit like it’s a drama show or movie

pisses me off

[fierce zinc]

Agreed, I don’t like how REN is posting just random bullshit memes online cause it makes her look a little bit meh. Also the amount of hate before zeal had a chance to even say anything was so bizarre and extreme

[exotic fulcrum]

Tf u mean lmao

[fierce zinc]

Have you not seen their recent posts

[unborn lichen]

Oh ok cool thanks for having the fact straight

[fierce zinc]

The whole “decent human” video and whatever memes I saw from a day ago

[exotic fulcrum]

Thats a really weird thing to say tho

[fierce zinc]

Okay it’s good she addressed it then

[unborn lichen]

Travis Scott apology

[tepid nest]

i mean idk what else is she supposed to do she already said her side

[unborn lichen]

They were respectful on twitter at first until they started remixing the apology video

And then everyone just stop paying attention to what happend

Ive seen more people pay attention to the game then the victim

[fierce zinc]

Ive seen examples in legal research about similar things happening and it helps the abuser get a little bit more of a lighter sentence, it’s really just one of those things where you should wait a bit for stuff to cool down first but that’s just my viewpoint

[tepid nest]

Yeah the shit I’ve been seeing is genuinely disgusting and no one can really address it because a lot of these people are like mobs

No one will really listen to anyone they’ll just use the situation as an advantage to elevate themselves above others which is despicable

[unborn lichen]

How does the abuser get a lighter sentence from this?

Does the judge take it as "they aren't affected by jt anymore" or smth along those lines

[tepid nest]

Also imo neither side has decent enough evidence that could hold up in court besides maybe like idk the hotel room in which they did it was investigated for any sort of biological residue

A lot of it just consists of discord screenshots and really the only one that could hold up are maybe the neck markings

It feels like most of it would be just be dependent on testimonies

[unborn lichen]

I think the video itself is just and admission of guilt

[tepid nest]

I haven’t seen the full thing but I don’t really know how to feel about it

[fierce zinc]

If this case got picked up by the state, and he had a jury trial, his lawyer could manipulate the jury into believing REN wasn’t as deeply as affected and try to save Zeal some time. This could also happen in litigation. Who knows how it could go but it’s just better to be silent for a week or two right after it happened @exotic fulcrum

[tepid nest]

Couldn’t listen to the whole thing because it was hard to listen to

[unborn lichen]

Ok I could see that happening

[tepid nest]

But idk as time goes on this has begun to become more ambiguous than initially thought

[fierce zinc]

Listen I don’t have a law license and only have 2 years of legal experience, but I am being cautious and only saying things I’m very positive about

[unborn lichen]

Yeah it was a hard watch

I could try to summarize it

[tepid nest]

What I took from it is that zeal was saying he wasn’t fully aware of what he was doing in the moment and that he didn’t know it made her feel that way I think

[unborn lichen]

She said it hurt multiple times

[tepid nest]

yeah

which is why it doesnt make sense to me why he would say that when its literally disproven

[fierce zinc]

Like I said it’s good she addressed it now instead of just letting it ruminate, I’m on her side just stating how manipulative a lawyer can be in a courtroom using her posts as evidence

[unborn lichen]

Half the things he said in that video didnt add up

And the other half weren't even related to the situation

[tepid nest]

Like he brought up things that were not even mentioned?

[unborn lichen]

'Work at a pizza place"

[tepid nest]

??????

[unborn lichen]

He's started ranting about it near the end

[tepid nest]

what could he possibly have to say about work at a pizza place

wait when did they collab wtf 😭

[unborn lichen]

Let me go back and find it

[exotic fulcrum]

I'm just saying she has enough to prove how much it has eaten at her conscience and wellbeing and these tweets would likely only be a fraction of it

[unborn lichen]

Zeal lawyer (if he ever gets one) could bearly do much with the jokes she posted

[fierce zinc]

I think the stuff she posted back in September are really good for her too

I don’t think she deleted it but I remember seeing it in mid September wondering why her demeanor switched so much

[unborn lichen]

https://youtu.be/DWFZtSGoeKg?si=PL-Rd2ZIOHJ8vUdu

[tepid nest]

this shit is so stupid to hear outloud ngl

i get what hes trying to say though probably just saying it was one of the first games he played and he feels bad that he tarnished that because of his behavior

[fierce zinc]

@exotic fulcrum do you know if the accusation that zeal was playing on Arsenal a few hours ago is true

[unborn lichen]

But like, what does it have to do with the addressing accusations? 😭

[exotic fulcrum]

maybe

[unborn lichen]

I say the photo on Twitter

[exotic fulcrum]

they got a screenshot of him on the tab leaderboard

[unborn lichen]

0 kills 26 deaths

[fierce zinc]

I had a small sympathy for his mental health for a bit but after him faking his suicide attempt and larping as his mom, I hope he never gets his game or community back

[unborn lichen]

So he wasnt ever in a hospital?

[fierce zinc]

Potentially

[exotic fulcrum]

where was it proven he faked his attempt

[fierce zinc]

I might be getting mixed up in things now but he faked his moms message and him being online on Roblox just doesn’t add up

[haughty yacht]

May I ask what evidence is there for him larping as his mother

[fierce zinc]

Plus the way he attempted is one of the most difficult and painful ways to do it, I don’t think your brain would let you go through with it all the way when you experience the pain

[haughty yacht]

No but it wasn't really proven either he did it (I think?)

[fierce zinc]

@haughty yacht here Spamton

I don’t know what’s true or false because at this point people could edit or make anything up about what’s ongoing

[exotic fulcrum]

Thats MY screenshot dude

The account has a mutual friend with ME

[haughty yacht]

I see that explains it better

Without context it really doesn't seem to mean anything to be fair

[exotic fulcrum]

yes it could be an old alt he just let his mom use but Im not convinced

[tepid nest]

idk i think it was just a rant ig

[exotic fulcrum]

There's so much wrong with the statement and the whole look of things that im just not convinced

[tepid nest]

i mean he was about to supposedly attempt to commit

[fierce zinc]

I was referring to the roblox screenshots I believe you cause my Ancient tells me to believe any incel royale member

[unborn lichen]

Wow...

New low

[haughty yacht]

He just wanted to say what was on his mind

reguardless on if it made sense or not

Reason why he apologized to the whole dev team and such

[exotic fulcrum]

If you guys want to hear a young jit speak his mind better than zeal...

[fierce zinc]

Why did he pick a way that would leave such a large mess for his mother and one that is extremely difficult and painful to succeed in

[fierce zinc]

Who’s it gonna be

[unborn lichen]

Elite stray thrown to his mom for what

[exotic fulcrum]

My last 2 vids of course

[unborn lichen]

Somehow builders bros pizza has smth to do with this

[haughty yacht]

Well from his speech he did mention that his mother was helping him making the document so she was decently involved in the situation

[tepid nest]

didnt his mom check up on him mid video

[fierce zinc]

I don’t believe him he lost a lot of credibility for me

[haughty yacht]

Pretty sure she also was at RDC when the whole thing happened if I recall correctly

[fierce zinc]

Yes

[fierce zinc]

He was

She

[unborn lichen]

Yeah he told his mom what happend at rdc

[tepid nest]

not a surprise he does not have anything to work with AT ALL

[unborn lichen]

While in rdc

[tepid nest]

everything he does just screams guilty

but for some reason

we're all feeling its becoming ambigious

That means theres something up

ALLLL of us

[unborn lichen]

Huh?

[fierce zinc]

Why couldn’t he have just made a document, owned up to it, and then describe the discrepancies he said he had with whatever proof he claimed to have in his last video? I honestly believe he had nothing

[tepid nest]

im just mentioning how yall are actually seeing both sides instead of crucifying zeal (NOT THAT IM DEFENDING HIM IM LEANING MORE TOWARDS REN BUT I DO FEEL LIKE BOTH SIDES NEED TO BE HEARD)

[tepid nest]

yeah idk why he picked the worst option out of all of them

i was honestly expecting him to just fake his death and try to develop under another account

[fierce zinc]

I do believe zeal is guilty and should face consequences, he was very very much in the wrong but he also needs mental help and should’ve had it a long time ago

[tepid nest]

its very visible in the document how manipulative they are

[fierce zinc]

He never had a job outside of Roblox and sounds like he just had everything given to him by his parents, I know how manipulative some of these people can be

[tepid nest]

Due to sense of self-privilege

Probably

[fierce zinc]

How old is zeal?

[unborn lichen]

Like 22

[tepid nest]

old enough

[haughty yacht]

I theorized it may be to his already unstable mentality
In the past he did "crash out" over something which nearly led to him trying to sell the game twice
And if we we're to listen to his reasoning on why he didn't release/finish a document (Which we should take everything in this situation with a grain of salt, obviously) he stated he felt like making a document now would lead to nothing since everyone around him abandoned him before he even had time to respond leading to him thinking that even if he DID release a document nobody would take the time to read it

Its odd but logical if we we're to assume he's bad at managing his own emotions

[fierce zinc]

He turns 23 this year

[tepid nest]

i kinda get it

[haughty yacht]

But once again we don't know if he's trying to fake us out or not

[tepid nest]

idk if no one is gonna listen to you and just use what you have to say to make fun of you why would you make the effort to do so

[haughty yacht]

Sadly age doesn't make the person smart

[tepid nest]

i mean obviously they should still try but i get where its coming from

[fierce zinc]

I don’t get why he didn’t keep his head down with the small group that was still with him, and try to own up and reverse things

Just because people resigned doesn’t mean you can post your proof and your viewpoint on things and get them back later, not supporting him but I think he had nothing to help his case so he jumped to the sympathy gun

[haughty yacht]

Well from his words in the video he stated there was basically nobody left except his mother I think?

Even his friend of 8 years insulting him and such

[fierce zinc]

He mentioned a friend too

[unborn lichen]

Im not gonna put this scenario in this situation because its obvious that hes guilty

But if someone is accused of something they didnt Do, and they know they didnt do it, friends theyve known for years know they wouldn't do something like it. And their friends leave them? Then they dont need them in their life at all. The only thing, this person should be worried about is clearing their name.

[tepid nest]

i mean it was still a fucked up decision to even come to anyway, i couldnt imagine leaving your mother with that type of scene

but who knows what was going through in that head of his

[fierce zinc]

It’s like that fucked up deleted scene from 13 reasons why

[tepid nest]

Ren said his friends were very opportunistic people

AKA they wouldnt hesitate to just leave if something happened with him

(aka they dont give a shit)

[unborn lichen]

Then he doesnt need them in his life

[tepid nest]

they just wanna save their own skin

Yup

[haughty yacht]

The thing about the whole situation is that both parties did say it happened but both of them had completely different way on seeing how it happened

[unborn lichen]

If hes certain he didnt do anything wrong (which isn't the case) then the only thing he should be doing is clearing his name, and cutting those people off

[haughty yacht]

Or moreso the context of how it happened

[unborn lichen]

Thats why I put the scenario in a point where the person (someone) didnt actually do anything

[tepid nest]

yeah i agree his behavior doesnt really make much sense its very clear he didnt wanna face the consequences of his actions

[unborn lichen]

Like would you want to have "friends" that left you if you got accused of something you didnt do?

I wouldn't

[tepid nest]

yeah

then again idk because zeal did try to address it

and photographic evidence is VERY damning

i wouldnt be surprised if he just

gave up

[unborn lichen]

Because he knows hes cooked

Anyone in the right mind would try to get the story straight had the been accused of something so crazy and they didnt do it

[tepid nest]

even if in the hypothetical scenario Zeal had ground to stand on and wasnt guilty his life is still ruined

[fierce zinc]

Not on zeals side but whoever wrote the document could’ve helped clarify some stuff more to prevent people defending zeals rape

[haughty yacht]

And the worst thing is that most people that got mentioned in the document/people who saw some of the things IRL have yet to come forward to give more evidence on either stories

Atleast from what i know

[tepid nest]

didnt ren writ the doc

i didnt even notice this inconsistency

[fierce zinc]

I don’t know if that is true or if it’s been changed but zeal could’ve read though it and seen what he had to defend himself if there was something he had, I really don’t think he had anything to defend himself with though

[tepid nest]

thats true

[fierce zinc]

You don’t just have a solid defense and throw it away without showing it off

[tepid nest]

idk if i were one of those people though i wouldnt put myself in the forefront after the stuff people have been doing to ren

[haughty yacht]

True but oh well

If everything actually goes to a court of law that's where we'll get the final verdict

[unborn lichen]

If he wanted to defend himself, he wouldn't have thrown that doc away with the discrepancies

[haughty yacht]

For now we can only have an opinion on the situation

[fierce zinc]

I work in law and damn I wish I could know what exactly happened

[haughty yacht]

I get your point but you do gotta put yourself of the mind of someone who just got accused of (probably) the second worst accusation someone could get all the while their entire surroundings are telling them to end it all and such

It was sure to affect his mental after a while and his breaking point was when his mother mentioned that sebastian's voice actor was quitting

[unborn lichen]

But if I know I didnt do it and i wasnt there, I would still ship it anyways, the game and all can wait.

[fierce zinc]

Sebastian quitting and stating he was never coming back sealed the grave for any future pressure update

[unborn lichen]

It would turn out worse for the liar if I prove myself anyways

[fierce zinc]

That game was far too gone now

[unborn lichen]

Might aswell ball up top

[fierce zinc]

I hope they shut down the game soon

[haughty yacht]

Its good you have that rationality but he doesn't

[fierce zinc]

He’s still getting money off of it

[unborn lichen]

Fair

I dont think he has it because he knows he guilty

[fierce zinc]

What stood out to me the most in that video

He doesn’t deny or acknowledge the part where she screamed no when he raped her

[tepid nest]

the way he addressed it was very

like

vague

[fierce zinc]

Yeah he’s guilty but doesn’t have the heart to lie and deny it

[unborn lichen]

According to him, she initiated it

But like I doubt that so much

There's no limit
To the doubt

[fierce zinc]

Even if she did initiate it, if you’re having a sexual encounter and the other party halfway says no, you have to stop immediately or else it’s rape

So that doesn’t help him either, she still told him no

[unborn lichen]

At the end of the day, he doesn't have a case

Pretty sure hes gonna go to jail

[fierce zinc]

I’m sorry to say but I doubt the district attorney in California would pick up this case unless evidence beyond a reasonable doubt would appear, plus he’s overseas and doesn’t have U.S. citizenship so that’s also a huge roadblock.

[unborn lichen]

He was using a visa?

[fierce zinc]

Interesting but still he’s not from America

[unborn lichen]

Damn, hes really gonna get away

[fierce zinc]

I’m sorry but unless REN goes to the police, shows enough evidence, maybe

[haughty yacht]

That depends on if hes actually gonna pursue legal actions

[tepid nest]

huh

[fierce zinc]

As for zeal appointing counsel and suing REN, it’s a big deal because he had a game that was financing himself that got crushed to the ground but his actions are enough to show he is more liable than RENs actions or whatever

[unborn lichen]

No shot bruh

No actual shot

[tepid nest]

i dont think hed be the one to pursue legal action

i could see ren doing it but not him

itd make 0 sense he has no ground to stand on like at all

[fierce zinc]

If you pursue a civil litigation case you can’t go to jail, the only thing that makes criminal and civil trials different is in criminal cases your liberty is at risk

[unborn lichen]

Like hes floating rn

[fierce zinc]

It’d be a waste of his money and a waste of time

[tepid nest]

Yup and yup

[fierce zinc]

I doubt he can prove REN alone was over 50% the reason why his game company fell apart

[unborn lichen]

What money does he have rn

His revenue stream is severed rn

[fierce zinc]

Yeah but he must have savings

He must’ve been making some good money before this

[unborn lichen]

I mean his mom (had he not been disowned yet) could help him

Maybe he could get a job

Idk

[unborn lichen]

You know what thats true

[fierce zinc]

He was like 20 making a Roblox game with no income at the time, I doubt his mom disowns him

[unborn lichen]

Nevermind, background check of doom

[heavy dome]

btw american court system/judges are very biased sometimes

like the evidence could all be there

[fierce zinc]

Juries too

[unborn lichen]

Give them enough money and all of a sudden your scott free

[heavy dome]

but to judges the most important piece of evidence is eyewitness accounts

but there are none sooooooooooo

[unborn lichen]

They were alone so thats impossible

[haughty yacht]

Well there is the case of when they were saying goodbye in that one hotel room

with 2 witness where zeal picked up ren and put her on the sofa

[heavy dome]

ok that is true

[haughty yacht]

At the very least it could pass as sexual assault

[fierce zinc]

Eyewitness testimony isn’t always the best, it’s very flawed. I think physical evidence is accounted more

[haughty yacht]

Which is already big

[heavy dome]

yeah i learned this in my forensics class

[unborn lichen]

That happend???

[heavy dome]

yeah

[haughty yacht]

Have you read the document brotein shake

[unborn lichen]

Yeah

I just probably forgot that

I doom remember him saying he wanted to pick her up and all that again with "less people watching"

[fierce zinc]

It is a lot of pages if you only read through it once

[haughty yacht]

Fair enough

[fierce zinc]

Some reason I really love civil litigation and criminal law stories so I’ve been inclined to keep up to date with everything going on since I actually liked Pressure before the document came out

[unborn lichen]

There's no limit
To the slander

[indigo notch]

ren herself said that it wasnt rape btw

[unborn lichen]

I mean yeah

By law it is

But if she say it wasnt then it wasnt

[indigo notch]

ren herself also said for the community not to ask ppl to kill themselves

but since these toxic assholes have nothing else to do, they do it anyways

they probably dont even care about her, they just wanna jump on the next hate train because they are sad little shits

[hexed hemlock]

Hating zeal IS valid no?

[unborn lichen]

Yes, but keep the focus on the victim

[indigo notch]

hating, yes, tell him to go kill himself and such comments, no

[unborn lichen]

Frying him

[unborn lichen]

I heard his attempt was fake

[indigo notch]

idrc

about zeal

[unborn lichen]

Fair

[hexed hemlock]

he’s on the hospital iirc

[unborn lichen]

Apparently that was fake too

As he was caught on roblox shortly after

[hexed hemlock]

oh dear

[unborn lichen]

He then started pretending to be his mom and make a "legal message" on discord

Afaik rens been in therapy and is active on Twitter

[celest orbit]

just one thing i wanted to add cause ren specifically said something regarding this in one of her youtube community posts
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxrVuX2SkhOHxFPVDUbvPLyVSpBWKfCvZx

[exotic fulcrum]

Im not sure if she's right about this as far as california law goes

[celest orbit]

no idea about that either

is it better to simply call it what it is as per definition by californian law or to respect ren's wishes on what it should be called

because it honestly does not make it better it's just a matter of labelling

[exotic fulcrum]

And not just by california law, many definitions of it consider ||oral|| able to be classified as such

[celest orbit]

i looked it up and yeah, this seems to be the case

[exotic fulcrum]

I mean it doesnt seem like this comes from a place of her wishes more that she's just mistaken

[celest orbit]

i guess so

[exotic fulcrum]

And the legal implications around SA vs r can be quite different

The "lowest" classification of what constitutes SA is much milder than rape. Idk I think this is far too severe to not classify it as such

[tepid nest]

This the shit I been saying

A lot of these ppl dgaf this is just tuning into the next drama

Mfs being like "OH MY GOD????? UM.. ZEAL DID WHAT- I-" treating this shit like its a movie

[fierce zinc]

I wonder since the victim wants to tone down the accusation to sexual assault if that makes it sexual assault under california, it’s weird because I’ve never seen a case where a victim doesn’t drop the charges but tries to reduce them

[unborn lichen]

Me neither

[brave jackal]

I need to start reading the document tommorow, I was really locked in pc.

[lofty hull]

i think its more of if the accusation is tuned up to R and it turns out to only be sexual assault then theres a possible countersuit maybe

[fierce zinc]

@lofty hull I mean the opposite since it’s defined as rape in California but the victim is pushing for the claim to be sexual assault

[lofty hull]

ohh

[unborn lichen]

https://x.com/wiindshocker/status/2043471516738666713

rand (@wiindshocker)

“Yeah man Im in the hospital right now!”

X · Apr 12, 2026, 11:29 PM

[unborn lichen]

I wonder if it would get raised up anyways if this gets a court case

[fierce zinc]

if they had the ability to send him a count they would possibly try

but itd give the defendant a chance to have a defense claiming it was only sexual assult and use the victims words as evidence if they tried that

[unborn lichen]

Literal trash vs garbage (in this scenario)

They go to jail either way

[fierce zinc]

what would happen is, if the state only tried to use rape on their counts (which is very unlikely, they would count for rape and sexual assult) the defense could argue against rape since the victim didn't use the word or advocate the situation as rape

wouldn't get him off scott free but itd be bad for the victim's justice

[unborn lichen]

Also I just searched it up, they could pull sexual assult as a misdemeanor (1 year and under) to actually large sentence, so its not trash vs garbage as I said earlier

And rape is 10-25 to life

[fierce zinc]

you can add a few extra years for the bodily harm he caused on her neck too

[unborn lichen]

Oh yeah

[fierce zinc]

if you're going off the penal codes rape statute

not statute sorry law is so different across the states

[unborn lichen]

I think age and injury apply aswell

[fierce zinc]

Wasnt ren an adult and so was zeal?

[unborn lichen]

Yeah

I think

Im pretty sure

So cross out age ig

Wow this really sucks

[fierce zinc]

I didn't do my full due diligence but I only remember age affecting if it was a minor and adult relationship

[fierce zinc]

It really does

[unborn lichen]

So if this were to get a case and zeal was charged, he would only face like 1-5 years in jail

Thats just not enough

[fierce zinc]

the law is not perfect and nowhere near it

[unborn lichen]

Not even close

[fierce zinc]

and its such a social system, I think his mental health outburts in the past, how hes a recluse, and the relationship he had with REN prior to it would lighten his sentence

not every sentence is the same its all up to whoever is in the jury or the judge

[unborn lichen]

So ur telling me he would probably get Months?

[fierce zinc]

there is no such thing as a slam dunk case is what we like to say lol

[unborn lichen]

I thought this was pretty damn close but nvm

[fierce zinc]

I really don't know, he could serve no time and serve something else if everything aligned for him, but I'm positive if he did go to trial he would face something significant

[unborn lichen]

Then again, what about the jury?

[fierce zinc]

but i doubt he will go to trial at all, he all ready got punsihed by losing his job and reputation, those would play into the decision to help him get a lighter sentence

that would be up to zeal if he wanted a jury trial i believe, every criminal has the option for jury trial or not

[unborn lichen]

Yeah I dont think he will ever get hired again

Unless he changes his name

And his entire family heritage

[unborn lichen]

Sad that this will likely end up a stale case

[fierce zinc]

nah he can work his way around

I dont think his real name floats around that much

[unborn lichen]

Absurd

[fierce zinc]

if they dig deep they're in for one big suprise

[unborn lichen]

Pretty much are main source of information Is ren rn

And or the other devs

[lofty hull]

In criminal cases yes right to jury
But i think he would not want to be tried by jury

[fierce zinc]

its up to him if he was tried, every criminal defendant has the right to pick how they're tried

who knows though

[lofty hull]

Unfortunately it’s easier to get out of this case without a jury

[fierce zinc]

who knows, all juries and judges are different and any case can go one way

[haughty yacht]

(Completely unrelated but I felt like it would be interesting to post here)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13z2nH0DYPOLOANhxj8AZACXB9xW1h0SE3NQN-EKfpGo/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.f9p0tskqre71

(For reference its this document so i dont get smitted)

[tepid nest]

Also this but take it with a grain of salt since anything can be fabricated https://docs.google.com/document/d/1teN-1KkAKqdUIe0G25PsqogkTreRE3cYwLRFhmzuL6w/preview?rm=demo&tab=t.7fijahvak8cu#heading=h.tcrg5j4bl23

[left cobalt]

"the full story" already gives me the ick

[tepid nest]

Yeah idk what to think

[haughty yacht]

Begs the question on where they even got those screenshots

[tepid nest]

Yeah especially when she allegedly "omitted" it

Could be from Zealand idk but hes kinda expressed at this point that hes given up so

Could probably be fabricated

[haughty yacht]

Do you have the original place where this was sent?

Like the post or twitter or something

[haughty yacht]

What's weirder is that zeal's name is censored for some reason???

[haughty yacht]

LOL thats fine i dont blame you

[tepid nest]

Yeah idk what that was about

[haughty yacht]

I'll just have to go dig for it

Alright that didnt take that long

The whole situation seems to have fallen into random people either making shit up or somehow finding screenshots of their dm's

Its best to just sit back and wait for an official response on either sides

[mortal dome]

There will probably not be if legal actions being taken

I don’t really know if that message was real though

[unborn lichen]

I went through it, its worth going through if you want to see both sides of the story, it clears some thing i was wondering about

It includes both Rens doc and Zeals❓ ❓ (I have no clue how they got those screenshots of Rens 18+ twitter acc dms)

[bitter blaze]

probably an affiliate and kept themselves anonymous

[unborn lichen]

But those screenshots couldn't have been from anyone else since Ren lost access to the acc (suspension) so it had to be zeal

But this situation is pretty much a wrap, I see no escalation happening any time soon

[unborn lichen]

Nevermind it ain't jover 🗣🔥 https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/186I6_3Z9miYt8hgXa2W22EvMhSSkn-7OaQWZYV88u8Q/mobilebasic

[heavy dome]

why?

[unborn lichen]

First page off the bat theres some new stuff

[unborn lichen]

More voices

Still doesnt change the main incident

But we get to know more info

[heavy dome]

defending ren or like what

[unborn lichen]

Think of this as post credit scene

Cuz the stuff is pretty much over

[unborn lichen]

No clue

Haven't read it all

Im on the like third sentence

[unborn lichen]

Ooooooooohhh???? Okay

[heavy dome]

[unborn lichen]

Wait I should probably censor this

Would that be a good idea?

Its 1 word but still

This situation goes way deeper then I thought

Now I see how this guy was just straight up a weirdo from the get go

Also he could sue over this????

It just gets worse

There's more stuff but ima go cook dinner

[unborn lichen]

Oh my god bruh here we go

Here we go with the BULLSHIT

[fierce zinc]

what the fuck “animal nicknames” and “me/my” pronouns for women

[unborn lichen]

Genuinely
No clue

Does he call them pets???

[fierce zinc]

Animal nicknames

[unborn lichen]

Such as?

[fierce zinc]

Idk it says he gave his devs ANIMAL NICKNAMES 😭

[unborn lichen]

Searching ts up now I gotta kno

Son 😭

[unborn lichen]

FOLK

HOW

[fierce zinc]

Your new friend nickname.

[unborn lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-crazy-fnaf-red-gif-8221507406498641891

Eradicate ts

[fierce zinc]

You think zeal was calling his devs up to do work calling them “cobra chicken” and “eradicated eel”

[unborn lichen]

Yeah

I'd bet money on that

Maybe toss in lovebug or sea pancake

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/597646372388470787/1493442541637472337/tiktok_platnumxi_7611263316194888982-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[old bison]

can i give you an animal nickname @serene raven

[unborn lichen]

Whole cycle starting again

[old bison]

it all start with one statement

[unborn lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-smartest-predator-real-science-an-iq-too-high-gif-2180560086852266128

[serene raven]

Do you want to be gone?

[unborn lichen]

Yes!

[old bison]

no

please spare me great incel royale one

[unborn lichen]

New nickname

[bitter blaze]

shit such as “my cutie birdie”

^ horrible example

[fierce zinc]

Heyyy cute birdie :3

[distant acorn]

hey mulesnatcher

[old bison]

Holy shit its the mulesnatcher

[unborn lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeedhuh-gif-16537115576793234567

[unborn lichen]

Possibly Last and final update im putting on this situation https://x.com/CatKryo/status/2044238625013956970

Snowflake (@CatKryo)

"We remove everything that people didn't like"
"Nothing I sad was a lie, and if I did lie, I made a mistake my bad, but I never lie"

I am not trusting anything anymore until I hear both sides or a legal treatment for this situation. This is just getting absurd.

X · Apr 15, 2026, 2:17 AM

Screenshot of the message by itself

The message she sent unintentionally raised suspicion

[unborn lichen]

Anyways doors bearly updates

Nothing much goes on with it (thank fuck)

A nice pretty solid game

So like tf else we gonna talk abt?

[heavy dome]

that is normal

[unborn lichen]

A very normal game

Good amount of content

[lusty pike]

i've been so sad these days

womp womp

[left cobalt]

i find it dumb that people are still defending zeal or saying theyre “neutral”

you cant in a situation like this

especially when there is overflowing evidence

zeal admitted about what he did

and people are still trying to defend him

are we deadass

[unborn lichen]

Ok sooo

He just dropped his doc

Along with the twitter transcript

And now I feel like I was lied to

[haughty yacht]

Oh damn

[unborn lichen]

Yeah u were right

Should've waited

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1_6hM5E38GsCHNUpEiK_hGn6TCRyE2AlcV4UPIlkWsp4/mobilebasic Im not linking the Twitter transcript because of it being entirely inappropriate but heres his side

But the things she stated in her doc compared to what she said in twitter dms contrast SO. MUCH.

Im now neutral

[left cobalt]

in what twitter dms

[old bison]

dont know whose right or whose wrong but this entire situation is pretty bad

cant trust much about zeal because of his previous lies

[haughty yacht]

She had a secret twitter alt

Where they discussed things further

[old bison]

but hey thats just me

[unborn lichen]

She and zeal had an 18+ twitter dms acc

I deadass feel lied to bro

[haughty yacht]

This contains all their discussions

[left cobalt]

i still think zeal is completely in the weong

because it was SA

and very close to rape

[unborn lichen]

Ok I understand

[old bison]

consensual or not when someone said stop you stop

[left cobalt]

even if they discuss further

and that she “said” she was fine with it

that doesnt excuse the actions prior

[unborn lichen]

But thats so far away from what she was taking about after the "incident" took place

[unborn lichen]

Oh not at all

[old bison]

but its fine if you want to take a neutral stance

[left cobalt]

i dont think it is tbh

[old bison]

just remember a person got carried away doing things they shouldnt have done

[left cobalt]

this is sexual assault we are on about

[unborn lichen]

They also ended up having a 2nd encounter afterwards??????

[old bison]

thats pretty concerning

[left cobalt]

being neutral means you’re ignoring a crime

and a serious one

[haughty yacht]

???

Ok thats like

the line your kinda crossing saying that

[unborn lichen]

Im saying this as being the one who wants to belive He did it YOU NEED TO READ HIS DOC

[haughty yacht]

You do know this whole situation is words against words right???

[unborn lichen]

LIKE ACTUALLY

[haughty yacht]

Its 2 people stating the same encounter in different ways

[left cobalt]

ill read it later but

i dont trust zeal in the slightest tbh

considering what other people have said about him

not even just ren

and the pressure team as a whole

he has a volatile character

[haughty yacht]

The point im mainly seeing here

Is that REN either forgot or just didnt dare mention that twitter account

where they were talking to eachother

[left cobalt]

she mentioned it in the doc im pretty sure

[wooden orbit]

this can not be posted here spoilered or not

[haughty yacht]

Oh my bad then

[unborn lichen]

Im starting to think it was said for a reason now

[haughty yacht]

I'll read that fully later

But from the main incident

It seems like we'll never have a true answer to believe

Both sides are stating different things

[unborn lichen]

Its completely grey now

No more black and white unfortunately

But holy shit i was so wrong

[tepid nest]

the fucj was in this doc to warrant this turnaround

[unborn lichen]

The twitter transcript mainly

[left cobalt]

alr i started reading it

this already feels off

starting with “It was consensual”

zeal is noticeably talking less when Ren is talking about what she wants to

then suddenly becomes talkative when the conversation turns intimate

also this was talked about in ren’s doc

her responses and statements that seem so affectionate for zeal are trauma repsonses

she’s wanting to show she loves and cares for zeal in hopes of keeping their relationship together

this is a normal thing in toxic codependent relationships like these

zeal unfortunately did not recognise this and thats how things got so bad

also

there is more than just ren that’s an issue rn

altho he’s hospitalised so he’s probably exhausted with everything rn

i’ll cut him slack with that

anyways if youre still thinking zeal is in the right or is even neutral

“can’t wait for the google document in 5 years”

[tepid nest]

Idk that sentence has always felt so absurd to me

[left cobalt]

lord reading the actual reason why he said it

he states its a joke about him being bad at “It” and thinking there would be a report about it

WHAT TYPE OF EXPLANATION IS THIS????

HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT SHIT UP???????

you could have at least lied about saying that

but No

just make yourself sound dumber

[astral gazelle]

“I’m sorry I’m bad at sex”

[left cobalt]

oh right ren’s private twitter account got suspended so she couldn’t read the messages

[brave jackal]

the document that i was about to finish reading is taken down somehow.

[unborn lichen]

There was context to why he said it but this was dumb ass hell 😭

[unborn lichen]

Google took it down

No clue why

Never knew that could happen

Rens working on a "Revised" version

[left cobalt]

mass reports

[astral gazelle]

What context could you even say that In

[unborn lichen]

He thought he did so bad she was gonna make a report on it idk

My question is why would he assume that?

😭🤑

[bitter blaze]

a lot of contradictions I Cant Lie

but thats all I’m gonna say

[haughty yacht]

Same coin 2 sides😭

[visual oyster]

these private twitter dms r insane wtfff

[tepid nest]

lol

[visual oyster]

😭😭😭😭😭😭 bro thought he cooked

[unborn lichen]

Are they wrong though?

Thats technically legaly correct

Corny af line but still

Didn't know this was in Russian

(Removed bcuz im waiting for more evidence)

But Ren started spiraling earlier

[dusk shale]

?

[visual oyster]

bro i did not give you consent to talk here

ok now i do nvm

[unborn lichen]

This doesnt really work in this case

But alr

[visual oyster]

yes theyre wrong

what that tweet describes is literally how false allegations work

[unborn lichen]

I dont get your stance here
Consent can only be retracted at any point before or durring, not retroactively

If he was told no, or not told at all then he should be put in jail

[bitter blaze]

...I thought that Ren was screaming "no" and "stop" and "it hurts" the whole way through??? 😭

[unborn lichen]

Me too

Both of their stories are completely opposite though

[bitter blaze]

also I think some of you mfs here have no Idea how abuse actually Works

the document Zeal gave out came off as him victim blaming and essentially saying "no I didnt"

[visual oyster]

im just mainly talking abt the words itself not applying it to the case yet

[unborn lichen]

Oh ok

[left cobalt]

sure but either way

a hesitant yes does not mean consent

it isnt a green light if they are not fully on board
it was never consensual in the first place

also this doc is giving the impression that autistic people do not understand consent

which is, an interesting way to argue

[bitter blaze]

from what I got on "consent given cannot be retracted 6 months later," this statement is garbage because THERE WAS NO CONSENT TO BEGIN WITH 😭 wdym retracted bro

[near slate]

where is zeal now is he still in the hospital

[left cobalt]

supposedly

its a bit mixed on if he is

coz usually people who attempt suicide and are hospitalised shouldn’t have access to electrical devices at all

sometimes for months

that or his case is different

[near slate]

ahh i see

[indigo notch]

damn this thing is still going on

[errant wadi]

WHO tells him

[distant acorn]

bro fish lowk a dumbass for not seeing 5 months in the future 😂😂

[errant wadi]

Lwk 😂😂

[visual oyster]

is this true lmao

[celest orbit]

😂 😂 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[unborn lichen]

Lowkey, final nail in the coffin https://x.com/yesokmori/status/2045203924248887315

yesok (@yesokmori)

zeal cuts out the part where ren explains consent to him!

X · Apr 17, 2026, 6:13 PM

Unless these are fake (101% doubt) thats pretty much it

[mint notch]

i saw everything go back and forth idk which side to believe

[unborn lichen]

My question is why wasnt this here from the get go?

It genuinely wouldve saved so much time

[serene raven]

Mentally Ill Human Gets Intimate with Mentally Ill Human

[unborn lichen]

Pretty much

[serene raven]

Travis Scott; ye-ye-ye-yea

[near slate]

That's such a good way to word it ngl

I read zeals doc last night and that's what I was thinking as well

Both of them are mentally ill

he has autism, she has BPD and whatever else

The main thing in both is the amount of miscommunication

At the time they were doing this, it all felt and seemed consensual

[serene raven]

yeah it’s an extremely messy situation

[near slate]

But I guess after Ren had therapy, she came to the conclusion that she did

Like when I was watching zeals video

Of him crying

[serene raven]

I need to take the time to actually watch these videos and form an opinion

[near slate]

I wanted to understand his POV but I felt guilty doing so at the time

I didn't wanna justify what he did because of how Ren worded it

But after reading his side

I do feel bad for him

I don't think he had the intention

And at the end he admitted his mistakes

About him being dry and emotionally distant

[near slate]

Yeah

It's rly confusing honestly don't rly know who to believe

There's parts from both stories that are true

it's just that they both viewed them differently

I also wanna mention how different Ren seemed on Twitter

Different from how she did on discord

[serene raven]

It’s how she also changed tunes after zeals doc dropped

Went from sa to rape and a few other elements were changed too

[unborn lichen]

I think the only thing that held any of this from being released was Zeal saying he didnt want an actual relationship

Ima wtf else wouldve gone on had this "relationship" not been cut off

Literally a ticking time bomb

Bad one too

[near slate]

Really?

[near slate]

Bruh

I do still feel bad for her because of how dry he was and how he didn't seem like he cared much at times

However

As he said he was busy during rdc and that he acted that way because she broke his trust

Which is something I didn't know before reading his doc

Cuz Ren didn't mention any of that

Yeah he should've been more clear and stuff with his intentions etc as it seemed like he wasn't but I guess he realized his mistake

Also one thing about ren

She texted him A LOT , and the messages were usually very very long

I personally couldn't read all those msgs and if I did I'd prolly also be dry unless I was really into the person

[near slate]

And yeah I know she did this because she liked him a lot which makes sense but people should also be considerate of how much they're talking even tho Ik in the moment we don't realize

Ok yea like look at me yapping rn smh

[near slate]

But then also, zeal should have been clearer with his intentions, he should've told her he's busy (ik he told her he had dinners and stuff) but clear communication was missing from his side

And I understand why

[unborn lichen]

Both sides made some real fucked up decisions if im being honest, Zeal should asked before doing more then that kiss, ren shouldve cut him off and exposed him then if she truly believed what he did was sex assault. And not sending crazy shit in dms and bursting out when zeal didnt want an entire relationship

[unborn lichen]

She had some pretty made attachment issues

Which i hope she gets fixed

Aswell as her bpd

[unborn lichen]

She went fron Trying to correct people calling the incident rape instead of sexual assault, to calling people who didnt agree with her rapist

This whole thing being honest led from 1 cann of worms, to another can of worms, to another can of worms, you get the idea atp

I dont even think this is the end of it

[unborn lichen]

Those issues can be seen here https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/186I6_3Z9miYt8hgXa2W22EvMhSSkn-7OaQWZYV88u8Q/mobilebasic

Also I really dont like the fact that Zeal said that Autism was in the way of his communication

Both of them tried pinning Disorders on their reasonings for doing things throughout the entire incident

[unborn lichen]

This doc states that Zeal was doing the following to the writter of this doc:

Weirdly enough, theres no screenshots

Thus meaning no evidence

I assumed these were sent in discord

Do i belive it? A bit

[near slate]

Yea there was just a lot of miscommunication and I guess their mental illnesses played a huge role in their relationship

[near slate]

Yes that was a big problem

[near slate]

Neither do i

This is so colocated

Complicated*

[near slate]

That is true as well but uh

Idk how big of a role they played

[near slate]

Idk if I should blame it on the disorders this much then

[near slate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03LTNnOvEvg this is good

[bitter blaze]

this video’s thumbnail lowkey disgusting because of it leaking her face

[near slate]

ig but didnt she post that pic on her twitter

its public

[bitter blaze]

okay, at least its better than that one video using a thumbnail of her hickeys but saturated to hell

like that’s disgusting

still a low bar

[near slate]

yeah

so weird

,y friend said they do it for money and views

[bitter blaze]

like most drama videos

except they mainly using this situation for money and shit

when its more serious than that????

[near slate]

yeah

i dont wwatch vids about this topic since i read the documents myself but i only checked to see if they had made any after zeal's response

[bitter blaze]

and also the way yall been talking about ts and boil it all down to mental illness lowkey irks me

because I have both

and that shit does NOT

1. make you completely misunderstand when someone says no (Zeal literally admits to keep on going even after Ren explicitly said no, remember that one screenshot Zeal Deliberately Removed in his document + have yall seriously forgotten about his suicide note video???)

and

2. somehow make you unreliable???? bro I get having abandonment issues and Having To People Please in order to appease the person constantly hurting you (I fell victim to this as well, not to the level of Ren’s though) but I dont think this fact should completely take away what has happened…?

[left cobalt]

fuck people who make videos like this

[vital acorn]

I will say that

[bitter blaze]

if anything, saying that because of a mental illness AND having “inconsistencies” (in fact I DARE YOU try recalling your own trauma and see if you can remember everything even if it’s extremely painful) makes your account unreliable kind of reads like ableist rhetoric

[vital acorn]

If you look at both perspectives and documents

They don't add up

It's all hearsay from both parts

Don't take sides too quickly

You cannot deny that Zeal's document has valid claims as well

As well as Ren's

[left cobalt]

theres a lot of holes in zeal’s icl

for one suicide victims usually aren’t allowed access to electrical devices

[bitter blaze]

yeah icl, his document just looks like he’s essentially saying “nuh uh” to everything

[unborn lichen]

Boy did I learn

[bitter blaze]

with minimal screenshots provided

[left cobalt]

a lot of his argument boils down to “it did not happen”

[vital acorn]

And also keep in mind that zeal's document is like a week's work of compiling

compared to ren's which was like

7 months

[left cobalt]

yeah yeah

[vital acorn]

yeah

[left cobalt]

but i feel he should just admit if the event were real

which is looking very likely

either way i’d rather be on the side of a potential victim than neutral on a potential sexual abuser

[bitter blaze]

also people keep bringing up the screenshots where Ren still continued saying shit to Zeal and I’m here like…… how does this change shit

[vocal sable]

Sometimes I just want to rub my belly

[near slate]

um

[unborn lichen]

WE all want to do this

[left cobalt]

see she loved me guys

No thats a trauma response to try and make you feel better

[fierce zinc]

Quite the trauma response

[bitter blaze]

guys I know I totallyyyyy didnt continue to violate her consent that day, b-but look guys she’s saying she liked it in dms 15 days later!!!!

like are we fr

[left cobalt]

this happens in codependent relationships

its not an isolated case

[bitter blaze]

oh yeah I know what you’re talking about

[fierce zinc]

I think the new evidence zeal provides changes the narrative about fawning

Especially the Twitter DMs, it’s way too much

[unborn lichen]

It was fawning but to an extent imo

Cuz it led to her contributing 80% to the convos

I think thats where it stopped

[wooden orbit]

yikes

[unborn lichen]

Yeahh

This was in the original doc but I have zero memory of it being there

Like at all

[celest orbit]

i fucking hate this thumbnail

why do these channels exist

parasites

if youre going to cover a serious controversy then do it respectfully or not at all

[left cobalt]

when you search up in youtube is literally just those videos too

[celest orbit]

yeah theres like 5 of them

[left cobalt]

they only think about their favoruite game first

never about the people behind it

[celest orbit]

bro i dont even think these people care about pressure

[near slate]

i agree she acts diff on twitter

[left cobalt]

THE PRESSURE DRAMA….

[celest orbit]

they just see "ooooo controversy oooo issue" and they say

DRAMA

LOOK AT MY VIDEO

This is BAD guys.........

[unborn lichen]

Guaranteed all those videos have monetization on

[near slate]

yea they do it for the $

[left cobalt]

yup

8 mins long

[celest orbit]

be advertising their socials too

[left cobalt]

“unalive”

[near slate]

one was 59 mins long

[left cobalt]

“No No activity”

[celest orbit]

do people actually say this?

[left cobalt]

painfully

yes

[celest orbit]

okay thats the most obnoxious one by far

nono activity

[left cobalt]

because monetisation

[celest orbit]

fuck outta here bro

yeah bro turn that shit off oh my god ddddd bro i dont want to hear any justifications for this

[left cobalt]

we’re willing to sugarcoat over a horrible event that can ruin a life

and has ruined lives

[celest orbit]

why did i open this thread again

[bitter blaze]

because High Cortisol

I should stop opening this thread before one of yall boils my blood to the max istg

[unborn lichen]

OH MY GOD JUST SAY SUICIDE

[unborn lichen]

OR KILLED

STOP SUGARCOATING SHIT

[celest orbit]

no cause of that one guy who replied to my comment that i made 5 months ago saying Pressure On Top

im closing this thread again i dont want to think about this any more than i have to

[left cobalt]

fair

[bitter blaze]

same

[unborn lichen]

Yes and its unbearable

[unborn lichen]

They do this so youtube doesnt demonitize them but the video shouldn't have been monetized in the first place

[left cobalt]

“but im just telling people about what happened”

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-phone-speed-legendary-stream-speed-phone-gif-4108923420328591811

[unborn lichen]

In reality you want Moneyyyyyy 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

Banking of serious situations

[sage surge]

whole thing sucks and i really don't have much to add other than the fact that at the moment gianni's response is currently one of the best, even if he made a mistake by jumping the gun too fast in his opinion

he admitted his mistake but he didn't say "oo ren bad" or other bs

[lofty hull]

oh my fucking god

[serene raven]

I hate content like this when you see a string of thumbnails that share very obvious similarities it’s just a slop content farm banking off of high acuity situations like this

now I did say mentally ill person vs mentally ill person that I never said the situation boils down to just that.

There is way more information out there that is being purposefully hidden by both sides to create a narrative because they both have conditions

[sage surge]

people are still jumping the gun and are now supporting zeal and hating on ren which is still not the right move since the best thing to do now is just to remain neutral and atp if they are going to court, just let the court decide what to do

[serene raven]

Exactly

[unborn lichen]

Ren said she couldn't bring this to court

In a youtube comment

Idk what Zeal is going to do tho

[tepid nest]

This shit is fucked how'd everyone go from supporting ren 100% to all of a sudden supporting zeal and shitting on ren

shows how two faced these ppl r

[fierce zinc]

Zeal could sue for losing his reputation and job lol, but it’s still a lot of he said she said still so it might be difficult to find a lawyer for it

[brave jackal]

you could just bring it to court.

because of this.

[rare mural]

new vid

https://youtu.be/BGQ6ErnrGsU?si=TlMiA2J489kag0nd

[unborn lichen]

SHES
LOST IT

This is parlo thumbnail 2.0

[visual oyster]

these videos with these type of thumbnails piss me off dude

white backround pic of person and 3 words
black and red font color

[serene raven]

2020 content farm slop channel

same dead voice

[mortal dome]

more pegasus ahh thumbnail

[serene raven]

I hate that guy bro

[old bison]

now a good time to hate pegasus

[hexed hemlock]

HE’S DONE

IT’S OVER

[unborn lichen]

THIS IS

BAD

[exotic fulcrum]

what happened now

[exotic fulcrum]

?

[unborn lichen]

Nothing

Quoting parlo thumbnails

[exotic fulcrum]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-movie-drooling-slime-gif-525340425450564005

[soft jacinth]

https://x.com/i/status/2046042943304376781

?̴̬̓?̸͓́?̷̞̂ (@Slayer_1345)

LMAO Aint no way Ren banned them for releasing documents about her. She knows she's cooked. Zeal defenders another round of victory for us were winning this one gng ✌️😂

X · Apr 20, 2026, 1:47 AM

Wtf is even happening anymore

Who to believe now

(i havent read the doc)

[left cobalt]

how are you jsut falling for random ahh ragebait 💔

yeah No ren’s server is being raided by people trying to attack her

[soft jacinth]

I dont know anything

So

[left cobalt]

zeal is a potential sexual assaulter

ill put that lightly

[soft jacinth]

No i know the incident

[haughty yacht]

I mean she kinda had it coming seeing the reaction of people when zeal got accused

[soft jacinth]

But idk anything inside the doc

[haughty yacht]

Not sure why she didnt just close all talking channels

[soft jacinth]

Which proves it

[left cobalt]

yeah this happens to anyone when they come out for being assaulted

people side with the accused if theyre a prolific person

[haughty yacht]

There's some weird cut parts and more dm's in zeal's document

[left cobalt]

theyre all closed

[soft jacinth]

Ok

[haughty yacht]

which kinda turned the tides of the people

[left cobalt]

which is dumb because ren says that her twitter got suspended and she couldnt access the dms

which zeal then releases

[brave jackal]

im still not supporting zeal, but im only supporting nolongernull.

but this.

why?

why are you banning people just because they send a doc.

[left cobalt]

because its a very obvious example of someone who just wants to misinform and anger people???

id also ban them i dont want an SA apologist in my server

[daring pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1JGryz-c34

[hexed hemlock]

Does this guy ever shut the fuck up bro

5th video on this

[serene raven]

Every Lie

[serene raven]

DAMN

[vital acorn]

LOL

Nah I fw that thumbnail

Creative

[hexed hemlock]

0 in a world where not being a positive or a negative is punishable by death

[vocal sable]

none

[serene raven]

Neutrality is the sensible standpoint here

And before anyone decides to hit me with the “???” Provide a reason why I should pick a side after all I’ve seen come out of this situation

[hexed hemlock]

“IM UNSURE” ??? Seconds

[visual oyster]

this vid is rlly good

[lofty hull]

Thank you

[soft jacinth]

https://youtu.be/aJqIql62wrM

The plot thickens

[left cobalt]

youtube been ass fot this situation bruh

suddenly started sticking their neck out for zeal

this is why nobody comes out as a sexual assault victim

coz this is how we end up treating one

any small thing you do will be weighed and if it even slightly goes against your case you are immediately lying

[fierce zinc]

Some of the stuff she was doing was definitely a lot and even though she has a mental disorder, how could Zeal have known her multiple consents to anything was somehow not consent

Interested to see what her revised document will state and what she will change

[left cobalt]

even if the incident was false

what about the many many other things that have happened

zeal was revealed to be homophobic and ableist

and many other people have come out with their own stories about the pressure team

[left cobalt]

wait so

people are pressed

over

the song having a lyric about ren “asking for a kiss”

holy shit people are losing it

grasping for straws

1. its a song, its probably just a lyric used to rhyme

2. if it wasnt jsut to rhyme and was actually a part of the story (which tbh seems plausible)
   a kiss
   isn’t consent for sex?

ren said herself that she wanted relationships around cuddling and kissing iirc i dont remember exactly its been a while since i read the doc

so now people are just making up points

but it is quite worrying

that we’re at the point of making up any excuse or any way possible that someone gave consent

[fierce zinc]

Still don’t know what happened in that hotel room but with all the messages she sent that zeal showed off in his document, I don’t think you should put more weight into believing her story. Especially with the reaction she gave when the evidence she didn’t include was released.

[left cobalt]

that’s fair

should still be noted that ren wouldve probably posted the twitter dms either way

[fierce zinc]

She is working on a smoother refined document so it’ll be interesting to see what’s changed or added

[left cobalt]

we’ll probably see her thought process on the twitter DMs atleast

i dont think it would make much difference coz its kinda the same as the discord ones

[fierce zinc]

the screenshots aren’t concrete but what zeal mentions in his video and the recent screenshots of ren allegedly trying to use someone’s alcohol abuse problems into having a sexual encounter really need to be addressed by her @left cobalt

[left cobalt]

yeah that seems like a valid concern

[serene raven]

it Is a valid concern

[left cobalt]

i didnt say anything more coz i was doing something else

but yeah theres stuff ren has done and i aknowledge that

its a messy situation all around and everyone just failed to communicate properly

[fierce zinc]

If I knew zeal and even before this happened I’d call him an idiot for encouraging/talking to someone like ren. He clearly didn’t like her enough for an online relationship but led her on at times and wasn’t direct enough when she was doing something he disliked

[left cobalt]

them interacting as a whole feels off

[unborn lichen]

Just saw ts

Ima read into it in a bit

[left cobalt]

zeal is often distant while ren is hyperactive

not do

dissect their relationship as a whole

which is whats been happening the entire time

i need to stop looking into this so much

[fierce zinc]

They clearly aren’t met for each other but don’t understand what it’s like to be in a relationship and how they’re just not meant for one another

[brave jackal]

literally everything needs addressed to the court.

[fierce zinc]

There is no current case open involving the situation

Atleast not to our knowledge, and I doubt there is one.

[mortal dome]

I am expecting to see a defamation case in the future

[visual oyster]

this would be super expensive i think thats the only problem

[fierce zinc]

It’d be complicated but I believe zeal would win

[fierce zinc]

Yeah but a free consultation and the high win scenario with the evidence may be very helpful for the attorneys to pick up zeals case

I can’t see how anyone would put over 50% of zeal being at fault

Or however they do it in his home country

[mortal dome]

I know defamations really hard to prove but depending on what this new response she has been making is I guess we will see what happens from there

I also don’t know how it will happen with the like 2/3 countries involved in all of this

And I have no clue how defamation is defined in either of their home countries

[visual oyster]

i dont know how but whatever the new shit she drops better cover everything up bc theres way too many contradictions on rens side to stay on it

[mortal dome]

I want to hear a response to the screenshots sent earlier this afternoon because that’s fucked if true

[visual oyster]

banning people from your server for simply reacting with an elephant isnt really a good look on you isnt it

[brave jackal]

same here, i need a response.

because all of this is just.

an ongoing situation.

[brave jackal]

despite her banning people for trying to speak up about her manipulation.

[near slate]

such a good way to word it

[near slate]

this is crazy tho ididnt know that

[fierce zinc]

Thank you!

[fierce zinc]

I believe Zeal's family needs to take legal action. He lost his job, his reputation, his project, the mental distress, all over a fabricated lie from someone who he honestly did right by (him hiring her and still paying her after being fired for leaking confidential info).

Pretty sure he was paying her for the rest of the year after being fired just to do right by her

[near slate]

i feel bad for him after hearing his pov

because at first i was rly supporting ren like i fell for almost everything she said even though i tried viewing things from his perspective

but i just couldnt

cuz i felt guilty doing so

[fierce zinc]

I remember hearing the full video and this part really stunted me back then but nobody talked about it.

[near slate]

since at the time everyone was against him

and telling him to kill himself etc so i felt like a bad person even trying to understand his pov

[fierce zinc]

I supported REN after Zeal

[near slate]

but now i get it

[fierce zinc]

zeals video

[near slate]

oh that video was not it 😭

im glad he made a doc after

[fierce zinc]

because I thought zeal made that video for sympathy cause he had no defense

[near slate]

yeah he was just crying the whole time

[fierce zinc]

He shoud've made the document first.

[near slate]

and everything he was saying was said in an emtional state

[near slate]

yeah

[fierce zinc]

if he really needed to save himself ASAP he shouldve just leaked the twitter dms in one nsfw post.

[near slate]

but i guess he was just going through so much that he didnt know what to do anymore

and he gave up

but im glad he survived

[fierce zinc]

Glad he's focused on

now

[near slate]

hmm prob bc ren acted so different in their twitter dms

i didnt read all of them bc ofc they were nsfw

but i did read some

[fierce zinc]

Oh they were bad

like she said she was fawning but it was clearly her being too hypersexual and scaring him away

[near slate]

i saw some pretty disgusting gifs that i DID NOT want to see 😭

[near slate]

i lwk just fell for those terms she used

to describe her behavior

because ive been in similar situations tho not AS EXTREME as hers

so i was like okay

i understand how she feels

but nah at the time, they were both consensual and liked each other

it was just that

[fierce zinc]

dw I was in your shoes too

[near slate]

ther was sm miscommunication

[fierce zinc]

she just left out everything on twitter

[near slate]

yeah this whole

situation

had me thinking a lot for days 😭

i dont think ab it anymore but yeah at the time it would make my head hurt

and i also fully read the documents

didnt skim thru them n stuff

and i read them after midnight 🤦‍♀️ like

3 4 5 6 am lmao

[fierce zinc]

pretty good chunk of pages for one sitting

[near slate]

yeah lol

[visual oyster]

begging zeal in ur document to not harm himself then telling him to burn in hell 🤔

[near slate]

i read zeals in one sitting but not rens

[near slate]

ik bruh that was so messed up