#Ban politics/political discussion outright

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frank raven
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In discussion with multiple over members of the community, mods and player alike we've sort of come to a conclusion that regarding the incident revolving around sad leaving the server due to expressed mundane "political" views, a roblox discord server should entail roblox discord server things (within reason). As such, in a world where animosity and tensions begin to grow higher, to avoid situations where we chastise and chase people who have been in this server, supporting it for years out, we should officially ban political discussion. This isn't the first time this situation has happened, but hopefully it can be the last, this is a large chunk of why I had left the server in the first place. The members I have talked too don't want to disclose what they have to say in general but they are pretty well fed up with this stuff and believe the best course of action is banning political discussion. I will not name names, you know who you are but to those who would blow their top over something as tame as "Yeah I support x views on such topic" you need to either get a reality check and realize not everyone sees things the way you do or get off the internet. To conclude, this post isn't a regurgitation of past drama, it is quite simply the view and voice of a collective of members who want to see an end to such situations.

distant mulch
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Facts i only agree cause its u tho

kind gate
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i agree too esp cus this is a server abt a roblox game not somewhere to discuss such topics

prisma light
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<@&1005923406216171682> thoughts?

dusky solstice
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sure politic makes my head spin

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too grey

cosmic nexus
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Political discussion should be within friend group not public so

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while Im glad that people are very mature in term of listening to the current world situation and the world is currently not doing well with bunch of politics being massive mess in many people life

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and Im happy to see people actively trying to explain how stuffs work and how the truth is unfolding

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but the fact that this server is a public server meaning that any type of people like Sad would be triggered by this and even consider us as "ungrateful" for having that opposition in their views

cold ether
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disagree

cosmic nexus
dusky solstice
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❌

cold ether
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even worse

dusky solstice
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political channel if it HAD to exist it has to be private

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hell i wouldnt be able to enter it

cold ether
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politics channels become horrible within minutes

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the entire problem with banning political discussion is where do you draw the line

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transgender rights are an inherently human right to me yet someone would say that is a political stance, although i disagree.

dusky solstice
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left wing right wing i eat them like chicken wings 😋

cosmic nexus
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while that

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i cannot also hide my frustrations toward to some people actually trying to basically bash these opinions by basically saying that they have something wrong

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they did something wrong

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its just

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weird thing to see

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but its bound to happen cuz we are in public server

cold ether
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if someone disagrees with the basic core premise of any of the following then truthfully they should not be in this server

  1. transgender rights
  2. homosexual rights or LGBT Rights
  3. agrees with marginalization or segregation
  4. agrees with racism
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all of which some would consider political

plush bison
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they are political!

cold ether
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but if you think any of these then i dont really want you here

plush bison
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not that i disagree with them

dusky solstice
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honestly i dont care if one of the core premise were disagreed aslong they dont bring that vibe here

plush bison
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true, same

dusky solstice
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but knowingly

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they mostly do

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so yeah they had to go

plush bison
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i come here to mess around not to discuss whether group A are humans or not

cold ether
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sad left because they said, and were ostracized over, that they agreed with Charlie Kirks stances

it's impossible to know which stances they agreed with without asking, but considering charlie kirk believed in several things such as

  1. Gays should be stoned to death
  2. The LGBTQ Agenda should cease to be promoted
  3. Black people should go back to being slaves
  4. America should become a christian ethnostate
  5. All cultures that don't have western christian values are inferior

Then, I'm not particularly bothered.

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This isn't a political debate to me, I don't want someone who thinks gay people should be stoned to death in my server.

cosmic nexus
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just icked me

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like which stance is actually agreeable

green path
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i agree with aze here

exotic granite
cold ether
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Now i cant tell you what they believed but this isn't a server for intolerance or the intolerant

dusky solstice
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i dont remember sad being anti lgbt or whatsoever

frank raven
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Hey so I just wanted to say that I feel like my last part of what I had to say was way too hostile and I apologize for that

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Definitely not necessary my bad guys

plush bison
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Oh u'r good Dw

dusky solstice
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(Dystopian World)

frank raven
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But everything else I’ve said I still agree with

cosmic nexus
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i halfly agree

frank raven
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Oh

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Go on

cosmic nexus
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but at same time

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i cant

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the reason why i dont want to see political discussion in general is because there are people who actually dont take the discussion as serious

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and just see it as just another day another year

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its importnat thing to discuss

frank raven
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Aze is right political discussion was a dumpster fire

cosmic nexus
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i mean

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i dont mind political discussion

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its just i dont like how people react to it and then just say oh since when tria has became poltiical

cold ether
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I have no personal issue if youre economically right or economically left or libertarian or authoritarian i couldn't honestly give too much of a shit as long as you're not personally digressing that you wish for certain groups of people to be hurt or for human rights to be impeached upon.

This server has truthfully always been political. I encourage it because I think more people should become politically aware and active.

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The left right divide on cultural issues such as LGBT+ rights is just bullshit to rile people up so they don't focus on actual issues with economics or business or authoritarianism.

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I don't think its true politics.

frank raven
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I think there’s a fine line between political views and hate

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But I do believe there are some here who have different ideas of where to draw that line

cold ether
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True political debates aren't heated usually, and if youre discussing why "government should control busineses more, vs the stance of government should control businesses less" then theres truly no real issue.

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That is an actual political discussion

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The line is purposefully misdrawn over and over again to get people angry about bullshit

frank raven
green path
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rights of people shouldnt be political yeah

frank raven
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Said it perfectly

cold ether
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So i dont think political discussions should be banned. If youre "culturally right", whatever that is, i dont really want you here, because i do not tolerate those of which are intolerant.

If you're right wing in any other way, who gives a shit. I don't really care if you're anti-immigration or anti-regulation or pro laissez-faire capitalism, becuase it doesn't directly infringe on my or anyone elses rights and its just a stance on how the economy could or should be run.

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Well, i suppose in america anti-immigration is imposing on rights currently, but thats just because america is a hellhole.

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It doesn't really make sense to ban these discussions because they don't really rile anyone up. And the discussions that do rile people up are towards people I don't really want here to begin with

exotic granite
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If we don’t ban talks then we need to be harder on when these talks start to attack people directly and end them

dusky solstice
frank raven
dusky solstice
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personally i purge the moment it goes too far

frank raven
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well thanks for reading my statement on that

cosmic nexus
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MAJOR/2 should be stricter

cosmic nexus
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we have right to purge even if its a double edge

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but we no bias nor unethnical to do such bullshit unfair purge

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while i agree to have politcal discussion staying

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some of them can be purged in here and only talked among trustworthy people like era

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like views of right and left wings

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cuz there are like

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alot of gray areas among them

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hence why alot of people are like fighting over it cuz people dont know which side is better which side would benefit country better

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i want poltical discussion to be more like an education for dumb being like me to know how world works

grave gulch
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Its mostly people who are on the right that say "i dont want to talk about politics" in this server that are getting the most triggerd.

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The people who encourage and engage in it here are the people cooperate for the most part.

dusky solstice
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I like cool and chill politic talk but i dont like super mean and predatory talk especially toward individual or group

grave gulch
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Encouraging, showing and creating mature discussions is how to create a mature community.

cosmic nexus
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i want poltical discussion to be an educational topic

grave gulch
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Politics is important, it affects all of us and i dont believe removing it helps.

cosmic nexus
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not a drama

cosmic nexus
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than leaving it lol

grave gulch
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How to be more educated and intelligent is throught the idea of openness.

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Not doing so is ignorant, closed minded, and arguably entitled.

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I believe Trias community should be open minded, respectful, and concious towards others.

cosmic nexus
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one thing that i really like about tria is how everyone here is mature

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mature in term of listening to each other and actually fixing each other

grave gulch
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So removing Politics and leaning into "we are a roblox game, we should be only having kids talk" is not a good idea.

cosmic nexus
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not bashing people and destroying mentlaity

grave gulch
cosmic nexus
grave gulch
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Want maturity, encourage maturity. Its this simple.

prisma light
cold ether
cold ether
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yeah he said it in reference to the bible 20:13 "they shall surely be put to death"

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On June 8, 2024, while criticizing YouTuber Ms. Rachel for quoting Leviticus 19:18 ("Love your neighbor as yourself"), Kirk responded by citing Leviticus 20:13 ("If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them"), which he described as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters".[133][112] In the same podcast episode, Kirk described being gay as an 'error' and likened the LGBTQ pride movement to encouraging drug addicts.[134]

grave gulch
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Just based on the fact they love someone .

prisma light
grave gulch
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Imma be real I would like to not be around a person who agrees mostly to a person who believed I and many others in this community should be put to death for being true to ourselves.

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I agree with Azes and Era opinion.

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Its not about politics here that's the issue its about identity. Core belives =/= Politics.

waxen talon
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I hope this whole thing reminds everyone to be careful what you say n be mindful of what other people would think

lapis nimbus
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who is charlie kirk

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everybody is talking about it at school

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and here aswell

snow thicket
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As a person who really doesn't care about politics, i can just leave the chat when political discussions happen. Although they can definitely cause a lot of tension and harm so banning them isn't a bad choice

frank raven
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That verse refers to death of sin

snow thicket
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The server wants to be open to everybody

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But if you are causing problems then you should definitely be moderated

frank raven
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I’m not really interested on giving a scripture lesson here but the old testaments God’s perfect law is Wildly misinterpreted and you have to do a lot of research into it

snow thicket
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Making a separate channel causes everyone to dump their takes and generate a lot of drama so that also isnt a good idea like azz says

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Idk overall i believe its better they get banned because its a gaming server

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Nobody should care about politics in a gaming server

prisma light
frank raven
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Yeah the Old Testament is wildly misinterpreted and you can’t really blame anyone either lol

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The whole “if you do x you won’t go the heaven” thing propagates from there however that is not the theology most Christian’s believe according to the new testament

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And if they do they’d be admitting that they’re perfectly ok with going to hell or they are another perfect being which is absurd

bold mirage
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yeah the entire point is that we arent perfect

frank raven
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In the Old Testament they would sacrifice sheep in order to cleanse themselves of their sins so that they would be granted passage into heaven

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They would stone those who would commit grave sins

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So when Charlie Kirk says “they will be put to death it loops back to the Old Testament but in the New Testament they refer to being put to death as the death of sin. The bible uses the Old Testament for analogies all the time in the New Testament and this is one of such cases

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Again massively misinterpreted but I don’t think he was calling for the death of anyone at all

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And he did not call for black people to be slaves

prisma light
sage stump
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Boringgggg

frank raven
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Ok Alt

sage stump
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: question :

grave gulch
sage stump
frank raven
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redditor attempts to communicate/express thought to discord users

bold mirage
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😭

plush bison
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☠️

green path
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also leviticus is stupid

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people love cherrypicking verses from it and ignoring other parts of it

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for instance it also permits slavery

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it's important to remember the bible was written by humans

grave gulch
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To add to the conversation religion extremism exists and is prevalent in these types of groups such as Maga.

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They will take things literaly, and in govermental enviroments religious focused countries will take to extreme measures to follow their respected framwork.

green path
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correct

grave gulch
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We have seen with the George Floyd incident where these would exist. The brutality and death of minorties.

green path
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yeah i don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt

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like. at all

grave gulch
frank raven
green path
frank raven
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Well I don’t agree with that

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And I watched the video of where he said those verses too

grave gulch
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Lets also bring context

green path
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i don't think "i don't agree with that" is much of a counterargument

grave gulch
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Twitter posts, his connections, his affiliations.

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All lead to extremist views on minorities.

frank raven
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I didn’t know we were arguing

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My goal was to explain how I interpreted that verse

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And how many others do

green path
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well the topic is about how kirk used it lllol

frank raven
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Hmm

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Well I guess that’s a matter of perspective

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Unless he outright said “yeah kill all lgbtq+ citizens” then I don’t believe he’s calling for their death

green path
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come on lmao

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saying "the bible says when 2 men sleep together that you should put them to death" to then say "god's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters" with an audience of millions

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it's not really that hard to see where that can lead

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no,

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has lead

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not can lead

frank raven
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You know

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If he’s just quoting a verse

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What matters is how he uses it in whatever he says next

grave gulch
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Religion is often used to guide people on their beliefs.

frank raven
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And I don’t recall him advocating for the death of anyone

grave gulch
frank raven
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And if you look at another religion like Islam the Quran also talks about how being gay is a sin yada yada

green path
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mhm yeah he's not played anyyy part in the uptick of right-wing terrorism against minority groups

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absolutely innocent

frank raven
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I thought the proud boys disbanded

green path
grave gulch
frank raven
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Gods perfect law on sex

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That’s just a religious view

green path
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i think it's an appalling view to have and can't just be explained as "just a religious view"

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if your religion causes you to have disdain for other human beings just for what they are then religion is not helping you

frank raven
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That’s a good point indeed

green path
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religion is supposed to make people better people, having views like that does the opposite

frank raven
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However I still don’t know where Charlie had gone onto speak about how LGBTQ individuals need to die

green path
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which yeah speaking of islam you can see how much of an effect rhetoric like that has

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look at countries with sharia law

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that's the end result

frank raven
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yeah I hate the fact they kill people for that

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They are human beings

green path
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and now you have christian nationalism

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which is trying to do the exact same thing but with christianity

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(which charlie kirk was a big proponent of!)

frank raven
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I’d have to do research into Christian nationalism

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I don’t know much about it

green path
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it's garbage

frank raven
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I’m a Christian but I look at the theology way more closely then the culture

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If Christian nationalism is just disguised as a crusade then that’s horrific

green path
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christian nationalism essentially argues the need for a specifically christian nation with no separation of church and state

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same way israel is a jewish nation and so on

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blending the laws of the bible with the laws of the country

frank raven
green path
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yeah it can be seen as a form of fascism

frank raven
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Basic social lesson @grave gulch

frank raven
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The Monarchy and the church were practically on the same level in the hierarchy

grave gulch
frank raven
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Everyone else below them were equal really besides your knights and such

green path
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i doubt a monarchy could ever happen in america there isn't any royal institution there

frank raven
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Not equal in a good way either

green path
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most countries here in europe have royal institutions with histories spanning millenia

frank raven
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I’d argue that’s a form of facism

green path
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it'd be really funny to see it happen

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horrifying as well

frank raven
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You know how the crusades went

grave gulch
green path
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feudalism in general lol

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terrible system

frank raven
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Yeah

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How interesting it would be if there was to be a rise to a Christian Ethnostate in America

grave gulch
green path
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we won't lmao

frank raven
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It would turn back the clock a couple hundred years

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Something nobody wants

green path
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feudalism has been replaced by capitalism and like nobody wants to go back to it

grave gulch
frank raven
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Yes

green path
grave gulch
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Nvm

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I take that back

frank raven
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So I’m gonna have to do more research into the whole Christian Nationalism stuff because I know there’s varying degrees but I’m interested to see what the extremism looks like

frank raven
grave gulch
green path
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im pretty sure kirk was one of them actually

frank raven
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My guess is they just want it to be a predominantly white nation

green path
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considering he spread great replacement rhetoric and frequently referred to black people as inferior

frank raven
green path
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really?

frank raven
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I’d see many clips of him debating black people without trouble

frank raven
green path
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it's pretty well documented lol

frank raven
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I’m gonna have to see that

grave gulch
green path
frank raven
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That’s some Mormon bible stuff right there

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They view people like me as half demon

grave gulch
green path
frank raven
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Mormonism is a cult

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It’s always been a cult

green path
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i mean

frank raven
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Anyone who calls it a religion is trying to manipulate

green path
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it'd make sense for him to appear confident debating them

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considering he... literally considered himself superior over them

grave gulch
frank raven
grave gulch
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THE UNDERGARMETS, THE SECRETSY, THE TEMPLE, THE HANDSHAKES.

frank raven
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Maybe I’d need to see different clips

grave gulch
green path
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he had extensive media training to say the least

frank raven
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Yikes

grave gulch
green path
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i don't

frank raven
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That would be awful

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The countries striking the US when it’s at its weakest

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Global devastation

grave gulch
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Oh right that.

frank raven
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China is literally vulture waiting for the US to die

green path
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who

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the us is very hard to actually take over

grave gulch
green path
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its more of just a game of influence

frank raven
grave gulch
frank raven
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This isn’t Nepal

grave gulch
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Im talking about china.

green path
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i really doubt china is on the verge of revolution

frank raven
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So am I

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I’m trying to point out disparity

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There won’t be a revolt in china

green path
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surveillance technology has only gotten better these past couple of years

frank raven
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Too much propaganda and technology is way too advanced now

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Need I mention the infantry

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Tianmen Square

green path
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trump is also in office

frank raven
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Tianmen Square was chinas last attempt at getting a democracy

green path
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and uh. trump being in office kind of made every other country's populations more patriotic towards their country lmao

frank raven
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Hu Laobang or whatever his name was killed for that shit

grave gulch
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I cant argue that, when our literal French Quebec Fucks now identify as a Canadian.

frank raven
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But yeah most of the worlds super powers want at America

frank raven
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Another 12 year old got r worded in Calgary

grave gulch
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Although Alberta is now our problem.

green path
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personally i don't mind america losing its hegemony as it's not really a democracy

grave gulch
green path
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i prefer the eu stepping up and having independence from them

frank raven
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Along with the nurses

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The teachers

grave gulch
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I feel so bad for you.

frank raven
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Dude if Emergency services going down 1. I’m out of a job 2. We’re fucked

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Critical infrastructure

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Gone

grave gulch
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Yikes

frank raven
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Because someone doesn’t want to pay us more money

green path
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hope they get their demands met

frank raven
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I do too

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My father is a teacher

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He’s on strike next month I believe

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according to his Union

green path
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so glad unions are a thing

frank raven
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We shall see how the health care sector acts but it’s looking really bad right now

grave gulch
frank raven
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Unions are amazing

grave gulch
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It helps things alot.

frank raven
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Anyways anyways

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There’s one final bigger issue in the world

green path
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Global Warming

frank raven
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Israel said they plan to bomb enemies worldwide

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Uh

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Ok 2

frank raven
green path
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israel also becoming more overtly fascist

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awww look at them like father (usa) like son (israel)

frank raven
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Dude Netanyahu is the worst fucking person in the world

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I got nothing but hatred for him

grave gulch
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The irony of isreal is that they are becaming closer to Nazisms.

frank raven
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I hate looking at pictures of all those kids man

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I wish I could go over and give aid

green path
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he's merely a product of the century long zionist project

grave gulch
green path
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merely a cog in the machine continuing its work

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it's awful

frank raven
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And here’s where I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk

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Israel needs to be stopped

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Defending its land is one thing but

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Anyone with half a brain can see what’s happening

green path
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only here ?

frank raven
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This has been for over a year a genocide

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An ever expanding genocide

frank raven
green path
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it's been happening for longer than a year really

frank raven
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Yeah

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I wasn’t sure of when it started

green path
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decades

grave gulch
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Its been decades long project

frank raven
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Ukraine war has been going on for 5 years now

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We can all agree that America is in Israel’s pocket

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It’s so painfully obvious man

green path
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theyre more intertwined i think

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just a money machine

grave gulch
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Yes

frank raven
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Definitely

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Let’s not forget the Epstein list!

grave gulch
frank raven
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The worst birthday colouring book I’ve ever seen was just leaked

grave gulch
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Just complete Propeganda.

green path
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america has a huge interest in keeping israel as they're a "western" outpost in the middle east

grave gulch
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Distraction.

frank raven
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I fully believe Trump is a pedo

grave gulch
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Fork found in kitchen?

green path
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trump being a pedo was always obvious to me lol

frank raven
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Yeah

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The drawings depicted Epstein and young girls at trumps property

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Mar A Lago

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It’s awful

green path
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cant lie he is smarter than i usually give him credit for though

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considering he said he'd run as a republican candidate due to republicans being dumber and thus being easier to get votes from

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way back

frank raven
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Hey does anyone remember what happened to the guy who tried to assassinate trump

grave gulch
tall moth
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it feels like theres way less than 50+% of trump voters

green path
frank raven
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Yeah

tall moth
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everyone doesnt really care about politics or are left ive only seen like a handful of actually right people

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i do live in a blue state so eh

green path
tall moth
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yeah

frank raven
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Atp I don’t have a political ideology I just kinda

green path
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it's kinda like different worlds really

frank raven
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Look at both sides and recognize their pros and cons

green path
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i used to be a centrist

tall moth
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im not overall into politics but like

grave gulch
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I believe in Democratic Socalism. Simple as that for me.

tall moth
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ive recently gotten into like some researching and just tuning into these conversations more

green path
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with the philosophy of "whatever's the truth and whatever helps people the most is what i believe in"

frank raven
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Who was it that advocated for freedom without pain

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Edmund Burke

tall moth
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i really dont see how the positives of right outwheigh the negatives of all

green path
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i just kept drifting left with that philosophy though cause i just slowly realized the right is just... kinda filled with terrible ideas LOOL

frank raven
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Edmund Burke

tall moth
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i mean kind of the same

frank raven
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Freedom for all whilst following 2 rules

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They don’t hurt anyone else and they don’t hurt themselves

tall moth
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it feels like finding an actually smart right person is a lot harder than left it probably is

green path
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100%

tall moth
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i dont really know how these people would think but it seems odd

green path
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most smart right-wing people are the ones who are actually rich

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cause it benefits them

frank raven
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For a while I considered myself right but then I learnt what a reactionary was

tall moth
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yeah kind of makes sense

frank raven
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Oh Boy

tall moth
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its hard to tell whats real like really

frank raven
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Learning about Radicals didn’t help either

green path
tall moth
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the right tries really hard to surgarcoat their kind of batshit ideas and like trying to appeal to everyone

frank raven
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So I’m at a point where I truly believe the best course of action is to just Not be affiliated

tall moth
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i felt like i agreed with some of the right stuff for that reason but its clearly not whats actually happening or being prioritized

green path
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more than i'd like to admit

grave gulch
frank raven
green path
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yeah

tall moth
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probably the same for me i really dont know if trump is a 'normal' embodiment of a right winged politican id assume No because he seems a lot worse painted than the other ones

frank raven
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who has questionable things to say to children below the age of 13

grave gulch
tall moth
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i havent looked that much into previous presidents

frank raven
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those who weaponize their voice and use it in those who don’t have devoloped frontal lobes are Evil

green path
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well i mean he's obviously far right

tall moth
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i dont think having anything too far is good

green path
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but he doesnt seem to be ideologically committed

frank raven
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i don’t even care bout that I hate pedophiles

green path
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he's just playing his base to get power and wealth lol

grave gulch
frank raven
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Infact

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Every single tweet made by a republican in a position of power regarding Charlie Kirk was most definitely perfunctory

tall moth
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realistically its probably some sort of press thing or trying to like trick left sided people into thinking that people are murders or whatever

green path
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imagine spending your entire career getting fascists in to power just for those fascists to not bat an eye at your death

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lmao

tall moth
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like a public response to try to sway people or something

grave gulch
tall moth
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ive just been hearing for more about what this guy has been saying and its pretty bad

frank raven
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I still kind of believe it because there’s so much wrong with his death

green path
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i'll believe it when i see it

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i don't personally think it did come from the government or some right wing group

tall moth
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at first looking at this situation i had no idea who kirk was when it happended i just jumped to a conclusion that he didnt need to die just because he stood upon some politicized standpoint but man looking at some of the he has said

green path
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considering like. charlie kirk was one of the most prominent right wing propagandists

frank raven
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Most definitely

tall moth
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i really dont know what to think about it

green path
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i think it's awful

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it provided fascists with a ton of fuel to add to the fire

frank raven
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The death as such didn’t scare me as much as the coming aftermath

tall moth
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he technically hasnt commited any crimes but learning about this guy kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth

frank raven
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It just gives incentive

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For some very bad things to happen

green path
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i dont think ill be the first to say it feels like there's parallels to the reichstag fire

bold mirage
frank raven
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I did not know that

tall moth
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i already knew beforehand about whatever that his death would be used to minipulate people into thinking left people are murderers or something crazy

bold mirage
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Well ig one actually shot him the other was attempting to

frank raven
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The earlobe

bold mirage
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The one who did got killed by a sniper that was posted

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The only time btw the secret service snipers have shot someone

grave gulch
frank raven
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Shit

tall moth
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didnt he turn himself in

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the college guy

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idk if this is true or not i havent sourced my stuff yet

grave gulch
frank raven
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Yea

tall moth
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ah

bold mirage
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Don't believe so I'm pretty sure he got found and arrested...? Don't fact check me on that

frank raven
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They’re probably gonna execute him

green path
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100%

tall moth
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I think the fact that he was smart and did an assassination really says something

green path
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(obligatory statistic)

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tall moth
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obviously committing murder is Not Smart but you could kind of see what sort of motives this guy had

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he kind of leaned into politics recently and went into some insane right wing hatred

grave gulch
frank raven
grave gulch
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But also sad.

frank raven
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One of my biggest nightmares is walking into church

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And just being absolutely blasted

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I remember seeing the mosque video

green path
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that stuff wont happen in church

frank raven
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Terrifying

tall moth
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so right wing extremists are responsible for 75% of killings

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is what i see?

green path
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for 75% of extremist related murders

tall moth
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what even is left side extremism

frank raven
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Well shooting Charlie Kirk lol

tall moth
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right side extremism gets a lot of publicity for being batshit crazy

frank raven
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It’s the same shit

tall moth
frank raven
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Different ideologies

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But one way or another it leads to harm or death

green path
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i feel like right wing extremism is extremely underreported tbh

frank raven
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it’s an equal amount

tall moth
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ive just encountered a lot more articles of extreme right sided stuff or like some sort of deviation of just pure nasty racial structures or heinous ideas

green path
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most notable cases i can remember were the healthcare ceo and charlie kirk

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which both could prob be counted as left wing

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i guess theres christchurch

frank raven
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I don’t really know where to put the healthcare ceo

tall moth
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i recently heard about the healthcare ceo wasnt he killed because he was a bad person or whatever similar to charlie

frank raven
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That feels to me more hate motivated then political

tall moth
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i mean a lot of business owners/ ceos are inherently bad

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i dont think it takes a left or right person to identify that

frank raven
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Yeah

tall moth
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atleast i dont think

green path
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i mean

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right wing ideology is literally for making rich people richer

tall moth
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well i dont think 50% or more of americans are rich

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so theres probably other reasons to vote right

green path
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correct! they're stupid

tall moth
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so like

bold mirage
green path
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either actually stupid or politically stupid

frank raven
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🔥

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They’re stupid

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Just stupid

green path
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voting for the right as a poor or even middle class person always means voting against your interest

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right-wing governments always meant the 99% being worse off in the long term

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literally always

grave gulch
tall moth
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wasnt trumps one of his major promises to fix the economy

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economy as in like for everyone

green path
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yea look at how thats going lmao

tall moth
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yeah it kind of ties back into how i said the right just loves portraying their extreme ideas into a more "open" and appceptable viewpoint

frank raven
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Economy won’t get fixed without a depression

tall moth
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to justify their changes

frank raven
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And even then the debt is too high

tall moth
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which clearly hasnt happended

green path
frank raven
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Monetary value only goes up it never goes down

tall moth
green path
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they love wrapping their insane ideas in to euphemisms that sound acceptable to the average person

frank raven
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What’s a fuckin joke

tall moth
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yeah thats kind of what tied me into "right sided" thought space for quite a while

frank raven
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Yeah lemme contribute $20 to the 5 trillion

tall moth
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before i was really more interested into politics i was just fed this kind of nonsense

frank raven
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The 5 trillion that is growing by the second

tall moth
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im pretty sure only 1 million has been donated

green path
tall moth
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but even then why would you waste 1 million

green path
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everything being individual

frank raven
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Not even 0.00001%

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Of the debt

green path
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"housing should be a human right!"
"Ok start with giving your house"

grave gulch
green path
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the concept of a government for the people does not exist to them

tall moth
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i thought trump was the man that fullied embodied america and the constitution and stuff and would stick with it but clearly thats not whats happening

green path
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the notion of all social issues being fixable through individual action is like

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genuinely insane

tall moth
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using a "loophole" to evade 'not' breaking the 1st ammendment right while also breaking the fourth

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basically you get legally searched for any crimes if you burn a flag

green path
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it almost feels like its instilled on purpose by those who benefit from it but i wont go there

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thats conspiracy stuff lmao

green path
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why

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that's insane

tall moth
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its because he like

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wanted to make it technically illegal to burn a flag but you cant since that doesnt work with the constitution

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he basically stated that it was but if you read the fine print its just a scare tactic

green path
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land of the free

grave gulch
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The USA isnt free.

tall moth
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you will be HEAVILY searched for any sort of criminal tracing if you are caught burning a flag

grave gulch
tall moth
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which keep in mind, 4th ammendment of "reasonable suspicion"

frank raven
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Ok I consider burning the flag of a country’s nation that you’re standing on an act of war

tall moth
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you are searching someones whole identity and criminal tracing over a flag which is not "reasonable"

frank raven
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It shouldn’t be done however

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That doesn’t warrant a search

tall moth
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yeah it doesnt warrant a search

green path
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it's a powerful message to be done in protests

tall moth
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like logically it doesnt

frank raven
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I don’t see it as that

green path
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a flag can mean many things to many people so seeing it burned is powerful

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and that's something people should be able to do

tall moth
green path
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indeed

tall moth
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trump is just loopholing it

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we didnt technically LOSE the 1st ammendment but its clear hes trying to put something in its place

green path
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flag burning being illegal is genuinely authoritarian stuff

frank raven
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Yeah

tall moth
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and obviously skew the boundaries for some sort of american-hate activities

green path
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like. you're supposed to make people not want to burn the flag

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not make burning the flag illegal

tall moth
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but like keep in free speech for other things

tall moth
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pretty sure an army veteran got arrested for burning a flag

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dont quote me on that though

green path
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that's deranged

frank raven
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Do you guys remember the vet who incinerated himself

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Self Immolation

tall moth
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as in burnt?

green path
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i remember that

frank raven
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As in canister of gas and lighter

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Why did he do that again

green path
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wish i could remember

frank raven
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He was protesting something important

tall moth
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did he die

green path
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probably yea

tall moth
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yeah I always see these viral clips or whatever of army people protesting and getting treated unfairly even though what they've done

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Alleged as these things may be fake but I'd assume not

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I'd be very pissed if the entire nation I fought for just changed it's entire meaning basically

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especially if I didn't agree with it like at all

green path
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tbf

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america's been like this since reagan

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and already had pretty bad tendencies before as well

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it's just too unfortunate most ppl dont see that

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probably because of the bad education system lol

grave gulch
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Im glad Im in Canada and specialy Ontario with my education system.

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Relativly we canadians are considered one the most educated country in the world.

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And im glad.

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Its so streamlined, intuitive, and actualy nice.

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In so happy I didnt need to deal with SATs, APS, or in other countries in the east strict politices and drilling.

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Its not hard to create a good system

frank raven
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alberta has the worst schooling system oat

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its cooked

arctic flicker
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656 comments

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i think this got political

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image template from shrek where shrek tells donkey to stop doing something for 5 minutes

hidden rivet
tall moth
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Yeah it's a very fair ruleset

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It's human decency to atleast respect any type or person regardless of political or religious ideologies

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It is in the rules, and neither of those things should case an exception to hatred

frail grail
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If something like this did go into effect would discussing civil unrest (Nepal and Indonesia recently) be considered political discussion and thus would be banned?

void bloom
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I did't know we had politics in game

sage stump
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Politics ❤️

dusky solstice
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nepal situation was incredible tho

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all those years of fighting against corruption they finally snapped

mild cedar
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if we ban politics dystopian world needs to be unverified