Is this normal?

[nocturne pollen]

I’m 8 hours in right now…

[toxic ibex]

🕵️ I have just the thing for you, its called VVIS++ https://ficool2.github.io/HammerPlusPlus-Website/tools.html

[nocturne pollen]

how do I kiss you virtually

thank you bro

[nocturne pollen]

Okay yeah holy shit this didn’t work

Tried it again overnight and I’m only at 4

I’m convinced people don’t run their maps fully, and use the fast option

Kinda ridiculous

[timber stirrup]

your numportal count is ridiculously high tbf, that'll slow any compiler down
use more func_details, and simplify geometry that you can't

func_viscluster can also help for the huge open areas

[nocturne pollen]

I'm no mapper, I'm using someones map, and copy and pasted bases to make it bigger. I by no means have any idea what you're really talking about. If you want to put it in simpler terms, that would be lit, if not dont bother man I ain't TOO Worried about it

[timber stirrup]

I'm not an expert mapper, but thankfully func_detail is easy to grasp and understand

Let's say you make a staircase. You make it out of several brushes, most of which are small and won't block visibility.
vvis will see each part of that staircase as a solid object, something to take into account when compiling visibility information - wasting a lot of time to save very little performance.
When you tie an entity to func_detail (the default entity you tie things to), it stays as part of the world but without effecting vvis

So to vvis, your staircase basically doesn't exist - so all it sees is a room, creates a few visleafs for that room, and moves on

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Func_detail explains it better then I can

but in short: if it doesn't seal the world or need to be there to hide stuff behind it, you could func_detail it. check the link I sent for an example picture of just how much valve uses it in hl2's trainsation plaza

[toxic ibex]

when you press map -> load portal file you can see these blue lines/boxes that indicate where you should use func_detail because vvis cuts the map for visibility information, like how Global said. Less lines/boxes the better.

however dont overuse it. Some of these boxes are good and even necessary.

[toxic ibex]

ah and for that to work you have to compile it at least one time, just do it in fast one time

[nocturne pollen]

Soooo quick question

Is it proooobably because my map has a huge sky/skybox?

I made it very tall for a weapon we have called balloon

[toxic ibex]

If its just tall its no real problem. If you use a 3d Skybox with a sky_camera there should only be Props and func_details because the visibility clusters can dramaticly decrease performance when inside a 3d Skybox. I mean that extra part in maps that is only for the skybox

Here is an example from my map woth the portalfile loaded in both pictures

[nocturne pollen]

It uses a 2D

so this probably doesn’t apply to me

[nocturne pollen]

Also is the better your hardware the faster it will go?

Or does this cap out somewhere because of source engine

My shi decent but it ain’t like a 4k pc

[nocturne pollen]

17 hours straight

and at hour like 8, it got stuck at 4..

Self die is the only answer at this point right?

[nocturne pollen]

Optimizing the map and lowering numportals to see if that works out better

[toxic ibex]

Hammer compiling is all CPU, my CPU usually gets to 100% utilization and heats up a lot. I have a Ryzen 5 7600x3d and for compiling i think it is fine.

its weird that vvis++ doenst help, you should really try to get the numportals down. Could take a quick look if you want to send me the vmf

[nocturne pollen]

I had a map, with like 18 different bases. Every single func_detail was its own. I combined all base func_details, and all other relevant ones, and I’ve already halfed my numportals and I’m not even done yet

That was for sure the issue

[toxic ibex]

great then just continue

[nocturne pollen]

got it down to 400 numportals

original creator did not know hoow to optimize

[toxic ibex]

400? That is really good

[nocturne pollen]

from 25k

wild

[timber stirrup]

400 portals is a ridiculous improvement, holy shit

that zero second compile time must feel satisfying as hell now lol

[nocturne pollen]

LITERALLY 😭

doubled FPS n shi too

[digital wadi]

how can i use VVIS++ and compile maps with that?

[toxic ibex]

there is a short guide in the description but here it is anyway:
Choose the correct version for your game from the zip file:
SDK2013: Place into your game's bin/x64/ folder (where normal vvis.exe is).
Garry's Mod: You must be on the "x86-64" beta branch. Place into GMod's bin/win64/ folder

Then update Hammer's game configuration to use vvisplusplus.exe as the VIS compiler