How can I remove hand from ViewModel to use c_hand?

[neat jungle]

I'm trying to port weapon model to GMod, but the ViewModel has embedded hand.

I want to remove it so that I can allow people to use their own model's hand instaed.

All I've heard about it is 'remove texture only from the model, in Blender'. But when I tried it, I couldn't export the model because there are no texture.

How can I edit weapon ViewModel in Blender to remove texture only, and allow c_hand?

[neat jungle]

Uh, anyone?

[edgy silo]

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[sweet tartan]

You should delete not the texture, but the hands mesh itself. and then keep c_hand skeleton in qc file

[neat jungle]

I'm trying to port CS GO viewmodel.

The arms bodygroup in QC file has two elements, so I removed TR hand, and left ct_arms.smd only.

I loaded the QC file and entered Edit Mode, then select texture-like part (not points), and removed them.

I couldn't export them correctly because ct_arms.smd didn't had any texture. If I comment out whole arms bodygroup, it kinda works but there are no hands at all in viewmodel.

[dull yarrow]

well I can help you with that tho

[neat jungle]

If then, can you explain me how to remove 'mesh' step by step? I think I've done something wrong, but I couldn't figure out which one I did wrong.

I'm using Blender 4.2.0.

[sweet tartan]

You know that for proper work of c_arms in gmod, skeleton must have bones of c_arms, check the bone hierachy and the bone names, the exanple of c_arms you can find on wiki

[neat jungle]

Can you explain 'bone hierachy' more detailed?

I can't just copy & paste those $definebone and $bonemerge things into my source, because those from c_medkit won't be same with mine.

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/2d616e8cd5dd4630a8aeb4ad5c7a7c43

Most part of them looks same. I'm not sure if the order of those bone matters or not.

I can't see the hierachy of these bones intuitively, because the are just flattened in Blender like the picture below.

• If I just delete ct_base_glove and ct_arms, it won't be saved.

[sweet tartan]

You can past in your model wahtever you want, but, animations from cs go won't work with them cause to different bone names

[neat jungle]

And I want both c_hand and CS GO animations...
It would be nice if that can be done with Blender, because I'm not good at 'reading numbers'.

[sweet tartan]

In first, try to change v_weapon in qc to ValveBiped, then compile and open m,odel in model viewer, then load gmod arms as a weapon so they will be bonemerged and check how they look

[sweet tartan]

Change that only for arms bones, don't touch weapon bones

[neat jungle]

You mean v_weapon to ValveBiped.Bip01_Spine4 in ct_arms.smd only?

I changed v_weapon to ValveBiped in ct_arms.smd, then compiled the model.
I'm not sure if this is OK with textures, but it still tries to use ct_base_glove and ct_arms texture. I think this will show in missing texture in GMod...

It is messed up, but I think it at least trying to use player model's c_hand. I didn't include textures for ct arms.

[sweet tartan]

load gmod arms in viewer

[neat jungle]

Arm part doesn't move in animation...

What do you mean 'viewer'? That's model viewer.

[sweet tartan]

File-->Load Weapon(Steam) then weapons folder and there choose either c_arms_combine or c_arms_citizen

[sweet tartan]

in this viewer i mean

[sweet tartan]

yeah, because we didn't do anything related to animstions

[neat jungle]

You mean this?

[sweet tartan]

Yeah, but you should load them to the weapon

[neat jungle]

So...
(Steam) Load Model - My model
(Steam) Load Weapon - citizen hand
Is this right?

[sweet tartan]

Yeah

[neat jungle]

Not sure if this is right, but I see similar thing that I've seen at GMod.

(hand is still 90˚ rotated, though)

[sweet tartan]

can you show me a qc now&

[neat jungle]

Wait a second...

The paste website I mainly use is currently not available, so I'll use different paste website.
c_scw_scar20.qc: https://hastebin.com/share/depeziwose
c_scw_scar20_model.smd: https://hastebin.com/share/ayipuwadus
ct_arms.smd: https://hastebin.com/share/qepaposeli

[sweet tartan]

can't see where you raplaced the v_weapon to ValveBiped
the whole thing was for check, is cs go bones aligh with gmod bones, if so, you can just rename some bones in qc and animations

[neat jungle]

ValveBiped in ct_arms.smd were originally v_weapon.

Left: Currently I'm using
Right: Original (not working)

[sweet tartan]

you should also rename all bones in animations

[neat jungle]

I replaced all v_weapon to ValveBiped in all animations, but it breaks weapon's animation. Should I change v_weapon in c_scw_scar20_model.smd too?

(That would be just replacing all v_weapon into ValveBiped in every .smd files)

[sweet tartan]

yeah

[neat jungle]

Arms are now aligned, but citizen arm is still stretched.

[sweet tartan]

compare with medkit, maybe some bones missing

[neat jungle]

Does order of the bone matters?

Should I change v_weapon in c_scw_scar20.qc too?

I changed v_weapon in .qc and it looks nice, I guess?
I'll test this model file with GMod.

Uhm...

[sweet tartan]

missing bones probably

[neat jungle]

How do I check missing bones without comparing the lines one by one? Those lines are too many.

I just sorted the lines, and compared them.

To me, at least my qc file has every bones that c_arms_definebones.qci has. Mine has additional bones, but I'm not sure if that's the reason of the 'floating stuff'.

Uhm...

[sweet tartan]

yeah, the main problem of cs go models... flipped bones...

[neat jungle]

I see this in medkit QC file. Will this help fixing it?

// Inverse kinematics stuff

$ikchain rhand "ValveBiped.Bip01_R_Hand" Z 0 knee 0.707 0.707 0
$ikchain lhand "ValveBiped.Bip01_L_Hand" Z 0 knee 0.707 0.707 0

[sweet tartan]

nope, that;s the ik for elbows

[neat jungle]

if then, how can I fix the issue?
I haven't solve the 'floating arm' issue yet too...

[neat jungle]

Status so far...

1. Fingers are distorted
2. Upper arms are floating at (0, 0, 0)

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/3573f091042a4bfc81147d14fe75a49c

I really don't know how to solve these problems.

[ember bobcat]

Maybe it will help https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2232599274

[ember bobcat]

You need to connect your bones with the bones of the valvebiped and try to spin them

[ember bobcat]

In qci

[neat jungle]

After using the template, the viewmodel is displayed just as like in game, but that didn't help me solving those two problems.

1. Fingers are distorted
2. 'Floating & Stretched' upper arm

And the guide didn't tell me how to solve these kind of problems.

[ember bobcat]

So you have to twist and move the bones to fix the viewmodel, as it says in the guide

I ported custom weapons from css As a replacement using this guide and everything worked out for me

[neat jungle]

twist and move the bones
That's what I don't know how to.

I haven't tried CSS, but what I want to port is CSGO weapon, so I really don't know how to do things...

[ember bobcat]

You included qci in qc And added his bones and valvebiped to Qci?

Did you even follow the guide?

[neat jungle]

Original QC had already had lines that are generated from 'DefineBones', so I removed them from original QC and copy&pasted lines from generated QCI. Then I commented out $bonemerge lines, and added $include that refers to template QCI file.

Isn't this what that guide is about?

[ember bobcat]

You should have downloaded the template from the guide Qci And make it for yourself

Okay then if you don't know how to do it Qci Then look for the file here under your bones (CS go bones) https://github.com/HonestResolv3/Garrys-Mod-C_Hand-Scripts

[ember bobcat]

@neat jungle

[neat jungle]

Should this be put instead of template QCI?

[ember bobcat]

Yes

Just delete the past

[neat jungle]

the past
You mean the $include "template.qci" line, right?

And I should re-arrange csgo_glove_gmod.qci lines to match line order in original QC file, right?

And I should re-arrange csgo_glove_gmod.qci lines to match line order in original QC file, right?
Speaking of this, I can't re-arrange csgo_glove_gmod.qci because there is no corresponding line in it...

// original QC
$definebone "v_weapon" "" 0 0 0 0 0 89.999982 0 0 0 0 0 0
$definebone "v_weapon.Bip01_R_Forearm" "" -6.240802 4.326526 -12.220002 -35.225789 -73.720704 -118.956583 0 0 0 0 0 0
// v_weapon.Bip01_R_Forearm without parent present

// csgo_glove_gmod.qci
$definebone "v_weapon" "" 0 0 0 0 0 -0.000015 0 0 0 0 0 0
$definebone "v_weapon.Bip01_R_Forearm" "v_weapon.Bip01_R_UpperArm" 11.576878 0 0 0.000002 -0.042005 0.000001 0 0 0 0 0 0
// no v_weapon.Bip01_R_Forearm without parent present

[ember bobcat]

Yes, The person who made this script twisted the bones so that the hands were normal

[neat jungle]

If then, what should I do? I haven't fully understand what those numbers mean, so I can't just throw numbers and hope they would work.

Also the order of the lines in QC/QCI matters because they are used in .smd files too. If I change anything, I should change them in .smd too.

[ember bobcat]

With the help of these numbers he spun the bones

Down qci Gloves CS go he tied bones from CS go to bones of gmod

[ember bobcat]

I'm talking about this

[neat jungle]

If then, If copy $definebone "valvebiped.*" "v_weapon.*" lines to original QC without any modification, will that work?

I'm not sure about $bonemerge lines though...

[ember bobcat]

Yes

Bonemerge he ties the bones

Bonemerge Don't delete

[ember bobcat]

Just remove it back to the original

Everything has

[neat jungle]

So...

// original QC
$definebone ~~~ // original
$bonemerge ~~~ // original

to

$definebone ~~~ // original
$definebone "ValveBiped.*" "v_weapon.*" // csgo glove
$bonemerge ~~~ // original
$bonemerge "ValveBiped.*" // csgo glove

And revert ValveBiped modification of .smd files back to v_weapon

Is this right?

[ember bobcat]

Do it like on 2

[neat jungle]

Uh, what do you mean '2'?

$definebone "ValveBiped.*" "v_weapon.*" // csgo glove

This line?
Or the whole part?

$definebone ~~~ // original
$definebone "ValveBiped.*" "v_weapon.*" // csgo glove
$bonemerge ~~~ // original
$bonemerge "ValveBiped.*" // csgo glove

[ember bobcat]

You should leave the original and add a new one.

[neat jungle]

Hand part looks nice, but it still have floating upper arms.

[ember bobcat]

Send qc

[neat jungle]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/b483463d12a848cd947806e64204f822

[ember bobcat]

Stop

Remove the new and do $include "csgo_glove_gmod.qci"

There should be this in the folder Qci

[neat jungle]

$definebone ~~~ // original
$bonemerge ~~~ // original
$include "csgo_glove_gmod.qci"

Like this?

Didn't make much difference...