Update the works and suggestions in the #suggestions

[alpine sluice]

In the month since I came here, I have seen many excellent suggestions and works. However, except for "the box" being made, other suggestions have not been taken seriously. I hope that the devs will pay more attention to these excellent works.
Here are some works that I think are excellent :

@mr.voyageur 's season suggestion (He is the player I have seen who is most enthusiastic about updating new cars.)
https://discord.com/channels/561561444412293158/1166031684152590456

@tidal scaffoldA’s 3D modeling works
https://discord.com/channels/561561444412293158/1137498827071426562

@sacred field 's Volkswagen Golf
https://discord.com/channels/561561444412293158/1134558661205819472

If there are any good ideas I've missed, please let me know. After all, I can’t read the entire #1131550280463425576

[north adder]

Oh my God, this is the best advice I've ever seen!!!😆

[dense shell]

Nais

The Box is just a reference to the old Box suggestion a long time ago which is now no longer to be seen

It’s now lost media

Poof

Reduced to atoms

Only to be seen by the devs checking the archived suggestion channel

[alpine sluice]

It's such a shame, I haven't seen a new car update in over a year...

[dense shell]

Ye

Only bunch of new coolness

Which try to attract players into playing the game again

Which fails

Unless it’s that sexy Porsche 917 which I just go-

[alpine sluice]

This may appeal to younger players, but as an older player who loves the game, this update is a bit perfunctory

[dense shell]

I agree

The repetitive updates we get

New coolnesses

Some bug fixes

Maybe a new feature

Then that’s literally it

It’s now like a routine for the devs

[alpine sluice]

Regarding Coolness, there is another problem that I have a lot of trouble with, that is, I don’t understand why cars from different brands can be matched together. This makes me, a player who uses brands or nationalities to distinguish vehicles, very painful. I always Try to avoid seeing those Coolness that are not original products.

[dense shell]

Yeah

There’s a Reliant Robin coolness on a WeGo

And there’s already a Reliant Robin/Citicar hybrid

The Boogie

[soft blade]

Since last Christmas they thought all these mismatching coolness make sense

[alpine sluice]

Another problem with Coolness is that some Coolness is just too... childish...

[soft blade]

like that Dragster Fiat 500

[dense shell]

I bet the Peel P50 will fit on the bubble

Or unless that thing is the cyclo

[alpine sluice]

What I can’t accept the most right now is the scary locomotive in this Halloween update and the candy sports car in the last update. These Coolness make me feel uncomfortable, and I don’t understand the purpose of their existence...

[soft blade]

this game need new cars
and they just say "there's too many cars in this game"

that old grid garage manages the space pretty well
u can just quickly scroll through the cars

[dense shell]

Just slap a search engine or a favorite car feature then call it a day

[soft blade]

yeah

they're just giving out pretexts

[alpine sluice]

Wouldn't making new cars increase the number of vehicles? I really don’t understand why the official wants to mess with the original factory settings of the vehicle.🤣

[dense shell]

You just need a new script

Code some more

And boom

[soft blade]

and now they even count coolness as cars

[dense shell]

You can make new cars

[echo vapor]

@dense shell got 🎃 Pumpkin!

[alpine sluice]

It's very similar to what will be done in future updates😂

[soft blade]

and we have this spamming bot

[dense shell]

Useless for ghost pinging

All it does is ping the same person that got ghost pinged

[alpine sluice]

I think we should use this classification of cars:https://discord.com/channels/561561444412293158/1165119025106403360

[dense shell]

Mhm

[soft blade]

more like a Fool's day update to me

[dense shell]

And because of the new coolnesses

We will get a bunch of coolnesses to choose from

From not making new cars to not making new coolnesses

[soft blade]

the intention of this multi-coolness system was good
but they overused it

[dense shell]

And then the game will no longer be alive

[echo vapor]

@dense shell got 🧁 Halloween Treats x 5!

[dense shell]

d i a b e t e s

type 1

[alpine sluice]

Here are my thoughts:
Classify the vehicles by international and brand (as shown in the post) and then make C that does not belong to the brand into new cars, so that we have a

clean

&

tidy

garage

[soft blade]

soooo there you have it
I thought they've exhausted their idea when they launched that disney season

IF they really have nothing to do
just make some coolness as separate new cars

[dense shell]

Tow Mater as a hot rod made me spit out my water

[alpine sluice]

There weren’t many cars of note that season except donut cars.🤣

[soft blade]

at least better than that goofy train

[dense shell]

They even made a choo choo train on christmas 2022

AND IT WAS ON THE #D PASS

[soft blade]

True stuff

[alpine sluice]

The flying hood and exposed engine really caused great physical and mental discomfort to me, a player who likes classic old cars.😂

[dense shell]

WHY WOULD I BUY A FUNNY

choo choo

FOR LIKE A LOT OF MONEY?!

[soft blade]

That scared my wits off

[tidal scaffold]

Should I mention it's 2d not 3d lol

[soft blade]

why making mater like this.

[dense shell]

Mater inhaled too much drugs ig

[alpine sluice]

That ghostly face that appears in my garage from time to time is also why I dare not open the game this Halloween.🤣

[alpine sluice]

You use 2D to draw 3D effects! ?

[alpine sluice]

It’s so shocking how many artists there are in this community.

[tidal scaffold]

Yes

[dense shell]

SCRATCH.MIT.EDU

HAAHHAHAHAHA

dies

[soft blade]

one of the best fanarts I've ever seen

[dense shell]

Anyway this is the train I’m talking about

[dense shell]

Wish I could use scratch again

[soft blade]

we know
and it begins to look creepy if you stare at its face for half a minute

[alpine sluice]

I think the PiCKADO made by @north adder is totally better than that weird trailer, it's very classic and sophisticated

[alpine sluice]

Ahh my eyes ...

[tidal scaffold]

Ty

[dense shell]

911 HELP THERES A GUY GOING TO MURDER ME!!!
what does his face look like?
HIS FACE LOOKS LIKE :)

[alpine sluice]

INCREDIBLE

[soft blade]

Voyageur is literally keeping this suggestion channel alive

[dense shell]

He’s very enthusiastic

👍

[alpine sluice]

I'm curious, how many suggestions has he made? I see new vehicle suggestions and map suggestions almost every day (occasionally), and his suggestions almost take up a lot of the entire suggestion area.

[soft blade]

at least 300

[alpine sluice]

🤯

[soft blade]

he's drawn a celebration artwork of his 300th suggestion this February

[alpine sluice]

Not one of the 300 suggestions was adopted! ?

[soft blade]

not sure about that

[tidal scaffold]

And the most dedicated fan I've ever seen

[alpine sluice]

That's true, I've never seen him leave negative comments on anyone's suggestions, including strange official updates.

(If I remember correctly, he even left a under my most confusing Christmas update post

[soft blade]

maybe he's disappointed of this game as well
but we don't know

[alpine sluice]

This is really sad. Every time I see his work, I can guess that the official will ignore him, but he still keeps updating new cars (even if it doesn't come true)

[soft blade]

he takes this as a hobby

[tidal scaffold]

Or they didn't care about the suggestions channel or didn't look in it

[alpine sluice]

I really don’t believe that they have seriously watched this channel. Assuming that Voyageur has made more than 300 suggestions here, even if they just look at it, they can see a lot of ideas, not to mention that there are other excellent suggestions here. You can find it wherever you look

[tidal scaffold]

Indeeed

Hell even made some great suggestions like new ui, maps and cars

[alpine sluice]

His habits become a glimmer of hope for future updates of this game🤣

[soft blade]

I find one thing particularly true about this game
though every time I say I'm totally disappointed of #DRIVE, deep down I still hope this game to go well

[alpine sluice]

To be honest, I always look forward to updating the game. Although I can guess that this update is not as good as I imagined, I still click on the update just to confuse myself: next time it will be better...

[soft blade]

YES

[alpine sluice]

If I remember correctly, he made at least two map suggestions and some in-game designs, as well as new car suggestions that even I couldn’t finish.🤣🔥

[tidal scaffold]

True... While I'm still pissed off that they havent fixed the Barabara and the city map glitches

[alpine sluice]

These recommendations were never implemented😂

[soft blade]

They say they've got something big for Nov 8
just wait

[tidal scaffold]

Man literally made ost for those suggested maps

[soft blade]

The real jack of all trades

[alpine sluice]

I often ask myself this: What exactly did this update fix? Why didn't I feel it??🤣

[tidal scaffold]

It was often vague af

[soft blade]

sometimes they really fix stuff
like the wheel problem with that Delorean

[alpine sluice]

Is the PC version out of reach for me? Then I can only "wait and see". After all, I don't know if my old laptop can support this "great game"🤣

[tidal scaffold]

While they fixed random stuff

[tidal scaffold]

And the super Santa yet they didn't fix the executor still has that weird popo sirens bug

[alpine sluice]

The garage and interface cannot be repaired, and the map bug cannot be repaired😂

[soft blade]

also there's something wrong with the achievements

and the #DRIVE pass

[tidal scaffold]

And somehow the shop

[soft blade]

which automatically reverts your progress from time to time

[tidal scaffold]

Oof

[alpine sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

Is it a one-time "BaraBara the further" achievement?

[soft blade]

dunno

[tidal scaffold]

Omfg yes

And the further the better achievement for coop and duel

[soft blade]

well they themselves are hard to achieve because of the bots

[alpine sluice]

I tried to get that achievement more than 5 times and it turns out it is😂

[tidal scaffold]

Yet they had the balls to release the achievement

[alpine sluice]

The name of that achievement should be: Mission Impossible🤣💀

[tidal scaffold]

Mission Impossible 5: actually impossible

[soft blade]

True purpose of these modes: ruin the season maps

bloody true

[tidal scaffold]

They did my boi Halloween themed maps dirty

[soft blade]

literally the biggest disappointment of this update

[alpine sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

But it’s very difficult, especially when you play the game three times and you have to watch an advertisement once. I believe that while achieving this achievement, the official also gained an objective amount of money.

[tidal scaffold]

Hell I got the the further the better achievement in coop in ving vang map

[soft blade]

man i just wanna take a pleasant ride through Insideout

which is impossible : (

[tidal scaffold]

True

[alpine sluice]

I was looking forward to it; maybe this Halloween update will include Christine (another suggestion from voyageur🤣)And the truth is we got a scarier clown train

[tidal scaffold]

Oh boi I'm betting the chyslermas update is gonna be same as Halloween update

[alpine sluice]

Awesome! ! !

[alpine sluice]

It's true, but I don't want to believe it😂

I’ve been complaining for so long without realizing it. I’m going to sleep now and will come back tomorrow to discuss the future direction of this game.🤣😴

[soft blade]

good night then

[tidal scaffold]

Gn

[sacred field]

OHHHHHH, IR MEEEEE!!!!

DATz quadrawagen!!!!!

And

It’s not a vw golf

It’s vw gol

(Brazilian car)

Here, take a look

And his sketches
If someone is interested about it

[north adder]

Actually, we already have about 700 suggestions~ 💡

Thank You All For Your Support😆, and I will continue to update more new car suggestions and map suggestions!😋

[north adder]

Nice Draft!😙👍

[alpine sluice]

Oops,My mistake, I will correct it later

[alpine sluice]

Wait WHAT!?

None of the 700 suggestions were adopted! ?

I think we must let the authorities see these excellent suggestions. They are not just creations, but practical suggestions.

[alpine sluice]

Very exquisite manuscript, amazing👍

(No one is around now, it’s a good time to complain👀

[alpine sluice]

(Roughly sorted out three questions about game update content and update direction :
1.No more substantial updates (like new cars or new maps)
2.Some designs and updates that are not suitable for this game style have been added (such as the scary train in this Halloween update or the candy sports car from last season)
3.Confusing vehicle system (some vehicles are equipped with Coolness that have nothing to do with them, although some are creative, like the truck version of a toktok This is a very excellent Coolness template

[soft blade]

that tok tok truck's nice IMO

[alpine sluice]

Since a problem has been raised, it must be solved
The following are solutions to the three problems :

1. Try to return to the update of new cars in the next update (maybe after the PC version is released, I think all developers are busy with this now)
   If you need ideas, just click into the suggestion area. There are a lot of excellent suggestions here, and some even come with 3D modeling (obviously the work of Voyageur)

[alpine sluice]

Oh, I mean, this is Coolness that matches the characteristics of the vehicle, so it is a qualified template

As for Coolness 's negative template...it's obviously like this horror train(I still don’t understand the way this train turns

[alpine sluice]

2. Try some more reasonable content in subsequent updates, such as special service seasons or rally seasons (voyageur's work again🤣). As for the "wonderful" content that has been updated (such as the horror train, this is really incredible) No need to change it

[alpine sluice]

(Regarding the definition of reasonable:
Although the design of this car(again quoting Voyageur's advice) is very strange, it is real and not like a candy sports car... a little... childish?

[alpine sluice]

3.In the future, please do not match some vehicles that do not match the original vehicles as Coolness.
(Wait a moment, I will collect some pictures)

[alpine sluice]

1. Not related to the original car:

2. Unrelated but similar in characteristics: (Devil is used as an example here: Although there is no connection between US.taxi and Devil, their shapes are similar, which is a creative transformation)

[alpine sluice]

3. It has nothing to do with the original car and has no similarities:

[alpine sluice]

Yes, the Lanchia sports car was acquired by Lamborghini🤣

[misty scroll]

Correct me if I'm wrong or missed something.

[alpine sluice]

Hmm~ That ship...yeah, I really don't know what class it belongs to...#ship ?😂

[alpine sluice]

You did a great job! It's exactly those Coolness in question🙂

[misty scroll]

The question is why they do it. They have run out of ideas for names, it is difficult for them to make cars with different characteristics (although, with so many..) or...?

[alpine sluice]

(Oh~ I even forgot that this season there is a car that can "eat cars"🫤

[alpine sluice]

They may have forgotten that there is a channel called #Suggestion

And (almost) all the vehicle suggestions here come with name suggestions, and someone even drew them (yup, it’s him again)

[misty scroll]

Hmmm.. I have idea 😏

[alpine sluice]

Oh, there is another guess:
When the city map was updated, most of the new cars had problems with their collision boxes. These problems took a long time to be fixed, so I guess they were too lazy to fix those things, so they just didn't make new cars.

[alpine sluice]

👀!!

[alpine sluice]

IFO's Coolness reminds me of Voyageur's suggestion

[alpine sluice]

Apparently it belongs to this car:

[alpine sluice]

Oh, by the way, we forgot a

"BIG TOY"

[misty scroll]

Lol

[alpine sluice]

Oh, I think I found a far-fetched explanation and origin for this toy made of "COFFINS"
https://youtu.be/YBDz_xoxYbc?si=GAFjlNgZy-N2qWlP

It's a pity that he is not suitable as a qualified Coolness after all

[soft blade]

throw it into #special and not giving it a coolness would be nice

or open a separate rank that only includes cars with no coolness because no coolness can be fit on them

[soft blade]

well that Burnbee wagon actually fits quite well with that original car, same for the IFO truck here

[alpine sluice]

Oh that's a good idea,This effectively solves some weird Coolness problems

[tidal scaffold]

The gerpardo coolness should've been the bully coolness

[alpine sluice]

It's also a method, but I think every car can have at least one C. For example, the ship, its Coolness can be a yacht or something, so just organize them and put them in #special

[soft blade]

all right then

[alpine sluice]

Hmm~ The station wagon version of the Hudson car... is indeed creative, but the prototype of IFO seems to be a European minivan, which is somewhat different from the Mitsubishi minivan it matches (maybe I was influenced by Mr. Voyageur's creation🤣)

[alpine sluice]

Totally agree! I don't understand why this Bigfoot is on a Lamborghini super truck😂

[soft blade]

"yeah that bully's got so many coolnesses and let's put it on a different car"
[randomizing a vehicle name...]
"ha so it's Gepardo this time!"

[tidal scaffold]

Don't forget the riffic toy story rc coolness

[alpine sluice]

If three Coolnes are too many, then the lady bug must have "Super invincible universe"

[soft blade]

this is the only possible explain for all those mismatched coolnesses

also that spider Quabi

its legs

[alpine sluice]

And they broke the rules while explaining this... Hmm ~ Unknowingly, it feels very reasonable🤔

[alpine sluice]

Luckily I haven't clicked on that car since Halloween until now🤣

[alpine sluice]

Are you looking for:Devil's Toys

[tidal scaffold]

Also the pizza planet truck technically counts

[soft blade]

or something like
"so this original car's got rectangle headlights so we'll change the shape of the new coolness' headlights to make it more similar to the original car"

[tidal scaffold]

Ah yes the car that has no resemblance to the riffic at all

[alpine sluice]

The lamp can change form, but the form cannot be changed, just like the devil's taxi Coolness

[alpine sluice]

(But I have to say that this Coolness change is very creative.

[soft blade]

yeah
But I'm talking about that tripod Clog in this case, and I felt this taxi coolness fits quite well for unknown reasons

even though the real life counterparts doesn't match

[tidal scaffold]

Also that star wars coolness on the quadrat

[alpine sluice]

It reminds me of one of Voyageur’s suggestions. It seems to be Mr. Bean's tricycle, right?

[alpine sluice]

Oh yes, this is a Coolness that has nothing to do with the original car from its shape to its relevance.

[alpine sluice]

(I remember this Coolness seems to be a Russian sports car, and the original car seems to be Italian

[soft blade]

exactly

[tidal scaffold]

Oh I almost forgot, the top fuel drag car for the bubble

[soft blade]

the original car of Octanet is a Skoda 110 Super Sport

[alpine sluice]

Now we have a preliminary understanding of Coolness,Next we have to select those Cs that are worthy of being made into new cars and let them exist in a more reasonable way.

[soft blade]

and maybe you're confusing Quadrat with Octanet here
this is the car we're talking about

[alpine sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

Oh~ but it still has nothing to do with his Russian Coolness

[soft blade]

yep

[alpine sluice]

oh! I looked too fast,🤣

[alpine sluice]

It must be a new car from #fly

It seems that officials want to be like Disney, from cars to planes, and then boats.

[alpine sluice]

I will first select some Coolness that can be made into a new car individually based on my personal opinion to vote.

[alpine sluice]

(They usually meet this criterion)

[soft blade]

we'll have a long list here next time XD

[alpine sluice]

From last Christmas to Halloween this year, my God, there has been no new car update for more than a year...

[alpine sluice]

I have to sort out this "resurrection" list

[misty scroll]

Does it remind you of anything?

[alpine sluice]

ah! ! ! This is a scary season, all the Coolness are so scary

Romero even got a front design from the Hudson

And the Volkswagen Santana that Confuse me

[misty scroll]

In general, I wanted to show that there is already material for at least one car....

And all you need is the standard equipment and the name..

[alpine sluice]

Oh yes, Allocate one by one to allocating these vehicles, I am going to follow the method in this post to allocate the vehicles
:https://discord.com/channels/561561444412293158/1165119025106403360

[soft blade]

well I kinda like this custom Citroen DS and that ford hot rod

[sacred field]

Thanks!

[alpine sluice]

"Few" Qualified Coolness 😂

In addition, I just received a list. I would like to thank @daring quarry for the collection and statistics. Now I can start allocating new cars.

[alpine sluice]

It seems that there are as many as 12kb new cars that have been ignored.

[dense shell]

IS THAT THE BINE SHAKER

[daring quarry]

new cars? these are old Drive cars, just with brand names..

[alpine sluice]

Some cars are not suitable as Coolness, they should be new cars
（Just like the Corsair made by voyageur

[daring quarry]

i agree

[tidal scaffold]

yup

[alpine sluice]

I thought I'd make a list of Coolness-turned-new cars and use this excellent list to categorize them

[daring quarry]

it's a good idea

[soft blade]

Already done for you here https://discord.com/channels/561561444412293158/1172446379751264347

[clever smelt]

This might be an overexaggeration but

Regarding the game, it's hopeless :/

[soft blade]

You can call it hopeless but all we want is to make this game good again, no matter how low the chances are :/

[clever smelt]

Yeah

We just gotta keep praying to God

[alpine sluice]

After half a year, it seems that this game still has no improvement.

[rustic linden]

Ы

[fervent fog]

Yea, the last time they actually did add a suggestion into the game was the ambulance roamer I suggested a while back

Even then, I think they were already planning to add that into the game prior to my suggestion

[soft blade]

Two of the six vehicles this season looks crazy
yes, no improvement

[alpine sluice]

Still no new cars
Still no improvement in the way to get coupons
Still weird and messy coolness

Now the official only cares about #Drive Rally, I guess this game will not be updated soon.

[soft blade]

about the teaser
1 and 2 looks lovely, 6 acceptable, 5 unreasonable, 4 outrageous, and whoever designed 3 is a blithering pillock

[alpine sluice]

As an Apple user, I have actually seen the update

I would only buy Swavan

Cus,
The rest are RUBBISH

Btw, last season was the RUBBISH of the RUBBISH. The content is not even a car

[soft blade]

geezer's cute, good enough as a camper
baja's also nice

[alpine sluice]

Geezer has a nasty paint
If it weren't for the stickers, I would consider it.

Beach buggies are not my thing

[soft blade]

fair

[alpine sluice]

Only one roamer in half a year?
Extremely tragic

[soft blade]

Mr.Voyageur did a camping season himself

I guess that worked
to some extent

[alpine sluice]

Seen it
Anything that one person comes up with is better than the official one.

[soft blade]

yes
still tragic

[alpine sluice]

Superwagon and Wangan even had brain tumors

In this extremely tragic situation, I am curious about how sad Halloween will be.

[soft blade]

who the heck would ever turn a silhouette racer into a blithering camper

that's not funny, that's idiotic

[alpine sluice]

The official will tell you that this is a humor

[soft blade]

that's the most tragic part

[alpine sluice]

Keep making excuses, don't want to face the facts

What's even more tragic is that the players of this game

They think this is all reasonable.

Even hope for a "new" car

I mean modern cars.

Then help the official find excuses

[soft blade]

not really
there's still some reasonable guys here

like you

[alpine sluice]

Very little

Check out the likes ratio for last season.

Wat a moron

[soft blade]

nice James May reference

XD

[alpine sluice]

you watched TopGear too?

That would explain the game better.

CØCK

[soft blade]

anyone who likes car should watch

immortal stuff

[alpine sluice]

Can't agreed with you more

[north adder]

🤣💦
This is the funniest comment I've seen so far~

[alpine sluice]

Tumor removal is recommended

[soft blade]

surgery failed
conclusion: hopeless

[alpine sluice]

Sadly, this game isn't going to díe anytime soon.

It is now gradually conforming to the RUBBISH modern aesthetic.

[sacred field]

Superwagen

Tell them to stop pooping on my favorite car

Pls

I just want a Brasilia as a season coolness for it

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-vegeta-rain-vegeta-sad-dbz-dragon-ball-z-gif-2167897810151461845

[alpine sluice]

Sadly, they have no ears.

Worse than Van Gogh

[next jasper]

cook0795 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[alpine sluice]

👏

[alpine sluice]

Well done bot

[next jasper]

cook0795 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[alpine sluice]

？

Big?

Blow?

[sacred field]

Last season I was sad and happy

Happy cuz finally a coolness for superwagen

And sad cuz

They pooped on the car

[alpine sluice]

I am calm because my game is still on the season before last.

[soft blade]

thought it would lift off every time it accelerates

how could it stand on its feet

[alpine sluice]

I don't know how to make the official realize that Coolness cannot be used in this way.

[alpine sluice]

By the way, last season was just as miserable.

[soft blade]

invade
but we are civilized people so we don't do so
texting didn't work so yeah
no way

[alpine sluice]

Actually, we can start with the players.

Although it is difficult to change the object of play, it is a method

Or maybe we need someone to do something revolutionary.

Like Big boi, Tiki drip and Voyagur

[soft blade]

sadly you don't start something good that easy
in the past the suggestions are for "how to do things better"
now it's "how to do things like they are supposed to be"

[misty scroll]

I wonder if any of the developers are reading this section?

[tidal scaffold]

Sometimes I'm guessing

[soft blade]

They sure do
as said themselves 🤣

[rustic linden]

ДДД

[rustic linden]

Amogus

Aaaa

[leaden summit]

Ooo

[rustic linden]

Omonga

https://tenor.com/view/feliz-navidad-gif-13809511268555873297

[alpine sluice]

Not yet, or they saw it but did nothing (which is even miserable

Why make this shift if (presumably) no one likes it?

Apparently, in order to please those new players with 🧠 problems, the official has done everything they can.
There's periodic rubbish every season, like a little slice of demn pineapple on every plate of fine pasta.

[rustic linden]

Pablo

[soft blade]

this one ruins the whole season
totally BS