if i kill someone can i solve the crime and then report myself as the killer?
#[deprecated] [Outdated] Lethal Action (Killing NPCs Enabled)
sinful abyss
mossy silo
if i kill someone can i solve the crime and then report myself as the killer?
but you will not get a case to your own killings! Nope, its made to avoid that.
sinful abyss
oh i didn't read that part-
mossy silo
murdering is pretty easy, so not sure I wanted people to farm that
plus I'd need a system to allow your own case to work, it doesn't work right off the bat unfortunately
if I can think of a fun and good way to implement it, I will
sinful abyss
try to pin the murder on someone else and if you can't the game ends
mossy silo
kek
though setting someone up seems complicated, like how would you even do that
You can point to random person and a weapon that matches description, but that would be pretty boring if it just worked on anyone
Have to like elaborately plant evidence or something crazy idk
astral holly
amazing, now i just need the ability to shoot a gun..
Oh question, what happens if you kill a serial killer on a active case?
vital granite
Wonderful work, Igniz! Thank you very much for the mod!
mossy silo
Oh question, what happens if you *kill* a serial killer on a active case?
if its an active case that you're actually on then you can just turn them in anyways
if its the murderer before a case, it gets force reassigned to a new murderer
astral holly
cool, was worried it might bug the game but that makes sense
mossy silo
cool, was worried it might bug the game but that makes sense
Luckily someone mentioned that earlier and I remembered to test and fix the game logic.
Who knows what else breaks that I have no idea about
I haven't tested in the long run, so no idea if anything funky happens after a lot of killing
and enough time
slate laurel
If you witness a murder attempt and kill the victim first what happens?
astral holly
If you witness a murder attempt and kill the victim first what happens?
lmao
Look at me, i'm the killer now
mossy silo
If you witness a murder attempt and kill the victim first what happens?
if the victim is killed it force swaps its target to another
slate laurel
So what I'm hearing is I can save someone from life in prison by murdering all their targets first
until it's just us and they're stuck seething in impotent rage
mossy silo
well yes cause technically they didn't murder them
game doesn't have anything for attempted murders
slate laurel
If you kill everyone off until there's only one person left do they try to murder you?
mossy silo
no idea
You can set a population multiplier low so that theres only a few people to kill
and then see what happens
it may have code that prevents it from selecting the player at all
slate laurel
Does the player have to be the one to kill people or will setting turrets to all targets eventually do it?
mossy silo
Does the player have to be the one to kill people or will setting turrets to all...
it only kills while they're stunned
so if the turret stops shooting when they're down it wont kill
slate laurel
ahhh
mossy silo
stunning an NPC triggers for some reason code that resets their health to max
so I'd have to make a complicated system to try and make it count overall damage in a period of time
or write code that changes what value it stuns or something complicated
wicked parcel
would the turret get a murder case on it? or like a building manager? what does its murderer get counted as
like in the hypothetical situation it somehow shoots it while its down idk
shoots a person*
elder idol
Cool! Now we lack permadeath for player and player also being able to be the target (the latter might already be a thing, eh). And doing away with the lame gov db (Game Balance Options mod only goes so far ...).
Falling through the floor would become super annoying, though.
olive hinge
YESSS finally. One question though, will killing a NPC also have them registered in-game as dead, just like when someone is murdered and a case is started?
mossy silo
they should be
mossy silo
they die after being hit while knocked out
depending on your weapon will depend on the amount of hits
mossy silo
mod itself is in BepInEx->Plugins I assume
timid surge
timid surge
mossy silo
hmm yep there is an error
mossy silo
that much I'm not certain, try reloading the save
and then the game
and pray that its just something weird
mossy silo
its the game's method and somewhere in it is a NRE, which tells me practically nothing
timid surge
ill reinstall the mod and the mod loader aswell as the game
and tell you if it works then
mossy silo
if it still errors on that save in particular you can send it to me
so I can try to recreate
mossy silo
it shouldn't be anything on your end, but I have no idea
ill try finding and bashing someone with a hammer to see if thats the issue
I'm guessing its some weird circumstance that causes it though, and I won't be able to figure it out unless I recreate it
timid surge
WIll guns be added eventually?
to the game or mod
okay reinstalled
what about now
Message: Preloader] BepInEx 6.0.0-pre.1 - Shadows of Doubt
[Info : BepInEx] System platform: Windows 10 64-bit
[Info : BepInEx] Process bitness: 64-bit (x64)
[Info : Preloader] Running under Unity v2021.1.0
[Info : Preloader] 0 patcher plugins loaded
[Info : Preloader] 0 assemblies discovered
[Message:AssemblyPatcher] Executing 0 patch(es)
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader initialized
[Info :Unhollower] Registered mono type UnhollowerRuntimeLib.DelegateSupport+Il2CppToMonoDelegateReference in il2cpp domain
[Info : BepInEx] 1 plugin to load
[Info : BepInEx] Loading [LethalAction 1.0.0]
[Info :LethalAction] Plugin LethalAction is loaded!
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader startup complete
mossy silo
first run bepinex needs to do its thing
plus you need to actually try to kill someone for it to log it
mossy silo
hmm sounds like just a weird glitch
timid surge
fleet summit
how do i install it?
raw ruin
how do i install it?
while in discord and looking at this page hit "CTRL+RAP"
itll send it to your Shadows of doubt mod folder
pretty much automatically installing it
fleet summit
i think it should be harder to kill characters
i accidentally killed a victim's wife and had to also eliminate the enforcer who rushed inside to fight me
cursive nova
don't you have to beat them while they're unconscious a lot
fleet summit
don't you have to beat them while they're unconscious a lot
i hit someone who was awake with a knife, they died instantly
i hit someone unconscious once with a knife, they died too
unreal rose
Bladed weapons have a tendency to kill on downing. That was apparently an unintended feature, but I like it. Sword meta / knife meta is riskier because of it
mossy silo
bladed weapons have higher damage numbers
so I imagine its bleeding over and killing
or something to that effect
I initially adjusted every weapon to require 2x as much as it did to knockout, but thrown items for instance took way too long to kill
I may balance bladed weapons in particular or, I may just make it a config setting
unreal rose
I think it is completely right balance- and realism/immersion-wise to have bladed weapons be more lethal than blunt damage. But for best of both worlds a config file would be the way I think
hazy jasper
Will this mod be added to the thunderstore?
mossy silo
its currently on there, but it uses bepinex version pre1 which isnt on there just yet
ivory saddle
Question, if I were to kill an enforcer do new ones get recruited?
And do new NPCs come in?
unreal dawn
whoops
fleet summit
And do new NPCs come in?
nope
fleet summit
So I’ll just exercise restraint. No biggie. Maybe someday this can change
here's a challenge. make a save file of a very large city and try to kill everyone.
change the population to non-existant.
ivory saddle
Maybe someday I haven’t played the game normally much yet I’ve just been experimenting
ivory saddle
I love this mod but I'm going to hold off on using it until it's improved on, either through adding new citizens to replace the slain ones over time, consequences for committing murders (even worse ones if they are an enforcer), etc.
unreal rose
whoops
I just did a whoopsie myself. It wasn't meant to end like this, an alarm spilled out to the street and they just kept getting up. Conveniently, one of them had a sword
Oh and I've definitely also killed the partner or roommate of whoever I'm actually supposed to track down. They kept getting in my way and pulling the alarm
unreal rose
"Just another day on the job I guess"
merry hornet
Now we just need an AI detective that does pick up your case and tries to piece together the murder.
merry hornet
ivory saddle
Why it off-center tho
merry hornet
Why it off-center tho
odd, not sure. Probably OBS framing was off.
bleak rover
I'm confused, which file on the github page do i download and which BepInEx folder do i put it in?
LAMain.cs or LethalAction.dll
runic carbon
dll, in "E:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Shadows of Doubt\BepInEx\plugins\LethalAction.dll" for example
bleak rover
Thank you!
I'm not new to modding in general, but I'm not a programmer, and any time i end up having to get something hosted on github im always confused
bleak rover
Can't seem to get it to work, let me try a new save
bleak rover
Darn it, still doesn't work, I tried installing manually and with a mod manager but hitting npcs while their down doesn't seem to kill them
all that i need to do is drop the dll into the plugins file for BepInEx right?
runic carbon
did you run the game with bepinex first?
bleak rover
I started to main menu after installing bepinex first yes, though i can't be sure whether BepInEx was actually working. I am going to try again with a fresh install
runic carbon
send your log?
bleak rover
is there a way to tell whether or not BepInEx is working?
This is what I got after running with BepInEx for the first time on this install, I have not tried Lethal Action again yet
runic carbon
looks good so far
bleak rover
dropped the .dll in the plugins folder and im going to start a small sandbox and test
bleak rover
maybe the issue was i was trying to use the mod while playing the dead of night tutorial
i started a new sandbox and it seemed to work just fine
ionic glade
I sure do love killin!
merry hornet
I found a katana, man that thing is lethal, one hit kills
wooden eagle
@mossy silo Will you update the mod To use BepInEx BE ?
mossy silo
this week if they release developmental branch like they said
mossy silo
Actually gonna push this back until update releases. I don't think there will magically be mono, but if there is I want to do all of my development and stuff all at once.
If there isn't I'll just do it real quick and probably go into hibernation as I don't like modding il2cpp.
wooden eagle
@mossy silo Take a break nobody's forcing you. I know what dev work is so take care.
hard shore
Me when a homeless person sits on my door step
weak hemlock
hey igniz the mod doesnt seem to be working for me. i've put the plugin into the correct folder but people dont seem to want to die.
here i'll send this over. if this isnt the right file lemme know
mossy silo
hey igniz the mod doesnt seem to be working for me. i've put the plugin into the...
looks like some error mod-wise, shouldn't be super consistent so I'd just restart game and see if that fixes
weak hemlock
i've restarted many times
so no luck there im afraid
i could film myself booting the game and beating people up if it would help or something
mossy silo
no point, I'll look into it eventually
weak hemlock
ok thanks
gray totem
Is there a way to make it so, for example, you can't kill with the baton?
wooden eagle
It is possible don't spam the attack button
If you mean a non letal it is not possible right now with the mod as far as I know
gray totem
Understandable
Askin cuz for some reason my first and only hit with the baton to the head kills them. It was hilarious the first two or three times 'cause I thought I hit them really well but it's always like that instead of a funny possibility lmao
(I do love doing justice by hand but still want to baton guards non-lethally)
charred escarp
im on 33.19 and the mod just doesnt load
mossy silo
it only currently works on pre1 bepinex, other than that if its not loading at all its likely some bepinex issue
weak hemlock
mod looks like so much fun i really do envy the people who it works for :*(
lilac quiver
I dunno whats going on with mine, but its not loading
I manually added the .dll to the folder for the mod through the launcher bc it was missing, but it hasn't helped
unreal dawn
I believe this is for 6.0pre1
lilac quiver
I have 6.0pre1, but it’s not working
upper crag
Do you have the log file? Since you are using 6.0Pre1 you've likely installed BepInEx in the ...steam/steamapps/common/Shadows of Doubt/BepInEx/ You should find the logs there.
lilac quiver
upper crag
woah
I'm not sure what happened here but it looks like you went through thunderstore. If you did go through thunderstore it'll have loaded BepInEx BE instead of 6.0pre1, which is required by this mod. I do not think you can use this mod in conjunction with thunderstore's BepInEx, unless there is some workaround i'm not aware of.
fleet summit
finally
fleet summit
a good heckin head
my current head is too stupid
cursive nova
change it to reject
your application for a new head is rejected
that was a system error
fleet summit
your application for a new head is rejected
me rn
mossy silo
[deprecated] Lethal Action (Killing NPCs Enabled)
worldly viper
Any specific reason it got deprecated?
mossy silo
il2cpp is a pain to deal with
and theres multiple bad bugs that I really don't want to say its fine and stable
(but im not going to fix those in il2cpp environment because it suuuucks)
sharp cape
il2cpp is a pain to deal with
so is it playable? also what is il2cpp?
mossy silo
currently deprecated
vapid bolt
currently deprecated
Yo when u update it to be un deprecated, could u add in the ability to shoot ppl?
velvet fractal
Yo when u update it to be un deprecated, could u add in the ability to shoot ppl...
The shooting people aspect seems beyond the simple scope of the mod unfortunately, IMO. I look forward to the day this gets updated or something similar is made. This mod was great.
If you'll scroll up you'll see the mod last worked on the non-current thunderstore version of bepin. Meaning you'll have to go find that if you want to see if the mod still works.
I wish I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it sounds like Igniz isn't planning on updating this anytime soon on account of il2cpp.
serene basalt
reef juniper
"Deprecated"
mossy silo
[deprecated] [Outdated] Lethal Action (Killing NPCs Enabled)
velvet fractal
guys I installed this mod and my computer bluescreened how do I make it work?
reef juniper
sell the computer
brave carbon
mossy silo
Mono is supported
honestly, just not interested in reviving it rightnow
maybe later
or maybe never
still nymph
:(
mental condor
plus I'd need a system to allow your own case to work, it doesn't work right off...
should have npcs that are looking for you if you are killing people in the city or if youre solving lots of crimes/high social credit and big bank try more and more to mug/KO you
velvet fractal
should have npcs that are looking for you if you are killing people in the city ...
Maybe you can add that when updating the mod?
mental condor
Maybe you can add that when updating the mod?
im not the mod dev what
velvet fractal
O
L
velvet fractal
bro really reacted to his own message
👉 
timid surge
Any update?
reef juniper
probably dropped
reef juniper
New mod: SOD.LethalActionReborn