If PvP is not in the game how will you

[tepid carbon]

Hopefully through mods

[cyan mirage]

What do you mean?

Moderators that will punish the offending player?

[dusky whale]

Yes

[cyan mirage]

Good luck with that

[tepid carbon]

I get your lack of belief, most games I've seen with mods have been overly zealous or lazy af.

[lean moon]

Hey @cyan mirage , they spoke about a few anti-griefing things, what methods of it are you thinking of in particular?

[cyan mirage]

PvP

If someone is doing things near you that you'd rather they didnt

beat them up

Actually

[lean moon]

There won’t be any pvp to start with at least

But most griefing methods won’t work and any that do will be removed

[cyan mirage]

This entire "Why isnt there pvp" is coming from me playing a different game where the devs made a very good point on why no pvp is bad

Here's the link

https://www.havenandhearth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=44710&sid=5555ea75ff1a2e2fe56cedc7444fc115

[lean moon]

Personally I don’t think that will really apply to bitcraft - with the example they mentioned at least

[cyan mirage]

May I see said example(s)

er wait

you mean my link

sorry

[lean moon]

If someone claims where you want to claim for example, you just have to go somewhere else

Yeah ur link lol

[lean moon]

Ur link said something along the lines of if someone claims a place you want to claim, you can force them off

[cyan mirage]

Counter-point: What if their claimed land contains a rare material that is hard to find, and the next nearest one is an hour+ away?

Do you just let them horde the material and release it as they see fit?

Or could you beat them off of their lands and spread the wealth?

[lean moon]

I mean if they already claimed it, it’s theirs, but I think in that case (hexite) there would only be a small amount of it, so it doesn’t apply here

[cyan mirage]

Is there no way to expand a claim?

[tepid carbon]

Why do you want pvp so badly? so many games have been ruined by pvp when they were meant to be relaxing.

[cyan mirage]

Or are you limited to a small area?

[tepid carbon]

offer something they would need in trade for it

[lean moon]

I’m pretty sure you can claim a certain area - think of it as like chunks in minecraft, etc

[cyan mirage]

I see a lack of pvp as something that can be weaponized far worse than pvp itself

[tepid carbon]

Also it sounds like it will be a pretty expansive world

[lean moon]

Like a certain amount of land

[lean moon]

Yep they will expand it when more players join

[cyan mirage]

They could just not accept it to be a jerk

[lean moon]

Then that’s their choice

[tepid carbon]

if one person hordes a material another would probably be willing to trade it

[lean moon]

Yeah def

[cyan mirage]

Problem:

[tepid carbon]

games with pvp breeds more jerks than those without. they will only grief for so long before they get bored

[cyan mirage]

No-lifer decides to run a clan that hoards all rare resources with a 3-hour travel area

Then anyone inside it are screwed

[lean moon]

If that happens then you can trade with people outside that area - it would probably be very difficult though, and I highly doubt anyone would do it.

No material would be rare enough for that to happen, and if it was then it wouldn’t be spread out in that few ‘chunks’

Plus when they find it they would just mine it

[cyan mirage]

trust me. I know someone who managed to ruin an entire MMO by running a clan of bots that killed anyone that attempted to play a dungeon.

[lean moon]

Ergo there is no pvp in this game

[cyan mirage]

They shut down the servers due to lack of players

[tepid carbon]

That is an entirely different arguement

[lean moon]

That’s arguing against pvp lol

[cyan mirage]

I'm saying there is someone who enjoys this kind of game via ruining it for tons of others

[lean moon]

Also, if you read their dev updates, they have repeatedly said they won’t add pvp.

[cyan mirage]

thats great

[tepid carbon]

Just to say, I do get where you are coming from with the griefing, like the idea of walling someone in and they can do nothing about it

[lean moon]

Me too, I’m assuming the devs will make it so you can’t do that lol

I think building will take a long time so I doubt it will happen

And be expensive

But if any issues do arise, devs will definitely fix it

[cyan mirage]

They might make it that you can't build within a ceratin distance of a claim that you aren't allied to. Which is understandable. But someone might make a bunch of spare accounts to claim land around someone and box them in.

[tepid carbon]

that sounds like it'd be against ToS

[cyan mirage]

Sure it is

[tepid carbon]

and if evidence is enough, account deletion

[cyan mirage]

actually

question of the year

[lean moon]

• reroll of area probably

[cyan mirage]

Will this game be free

when it goes public

[lean moon]

Yep they’ve said quite a few times

[cyan mirage]

well

[lean moon]

Whole blog post on it

[tepid carbon]

then there WILL be bots, I just hope they do better than amazon games did with lost ark

[cyan mirage]

trolls can just spam accounts whenever they get banned

unless a phone number is required

or smth not easily replicatable

[lean moon]

Also TNTlife I mean this in the nicest way possible, sorry there is no way to say this politely, but I’d advise reading blog posts before asking questions in the channel because if you ask one they’ve already answered it just means you’re spamming it and the ones which might actually make an important difference to the game might not be seen

[cyan mirage]

Understandable

[lean moon]

Ty - I think most of ur questions will have been answered already, and will the griefing thing I think devs will deal with that issue if it does arise, which I doubt

[slender crystal]

I think that PVP would be nice if it was integrated the right way

[vernal pelican]

No game should be ruined by PvP with correct mechanics

Sadly most "PvP" games have stuff like offline raiding, etc