Like the title says, when will proofs (not a cinematic too good to be true looking trailer) be released?
#gameplay footage when?
amber bane
cinder osprey
good point
little crypt
Linkedin account,
fallen solar
Linkedin account,
Share?
half mountain
Would be disappointing if it ended up like a No Mans Sky release type thing
open crag
That'd be pretty shitty
little crypt
cinder osprey
Would be disappointing if it ended up like a No Mans Sky release type thing
yeah because this is one of the first games thats properly caught my interest in a while
little crypt
also if you go to "other investors" you end up on this page: https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/clockwork-labs-series-a--3c9fc806?utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=linkedin_companies&utm_content=all_investors_anon&trk=funding_investors
and there's a bunch of news at the bottom:
cinder osprey
damn 4mil
little crypt
https://clockwork-labs.medium.com/?p=4fe3f3346b96
this one's pretty interesting
"...led by founding members Tyler Cloutier and Alessandro Asoni, veteran engineers who have worked on large scale products like Game of War and Mobile Strike..."
"...The fast-growing team has already attracted veteran game industry talent from companies such as Ubisoft and Kakao Games..."
"“We started Clockwork Labs to create the kind of ambitious MMORPG project we’ve wanted to play for years, but which required our new proprietary tech,” said Tyler Cloutier, co-founder of Clockwork Labs. “Our debut project will feature a truly unique level of social interaction and cooperation between players, which is at the core of what our studio values in gaming.”
“At Clockwork Labs, we want to create virtual worlds which have true meaning to the players that inhabit them,” said Alessandro Asoni, co-founder of Clockwork Labs. “It is important to us in the way we design games to give the power of creation and owning content back to the players. We’re excited to see what this level of freedom and inspiration leads to when we invite the world to experience our debut project.”
So the first line may be a bit worrying, as Game of War and Mobile Strike are typical mobile games...
but personally I personally have rather nice feeling, considering my favorite MMO came from devs that before just made mobile games
amber bane
which was?
little crypt
Foxhole
amber bane
foxhole is pretty dope I agree
little crypt
the whole article is quite interesting on it's own, he later goes on to talk, why he thinks small start ups are able to compete with gigants, and what's the cause of latters inefficiencies
amber bane
"This focus has also attracted angel investors such as Hilmar Pétursson, the CEO of CCP Games, the makers of EVE Online, and Unity founder, David Helgason."
do we have any proof of this? Kinda sounds hella sketchy they would personally invest imo
the fact the shading in the trailer looks so on point is also very alarming
like they built up all the graphic part of the game before making all the rest?
little crypt
i dont know much about investing tbh, but I do know that tech companies tend to get loads of it
amber bane
or is the game basically finished and we don't know
little crypt
You must've heard about shit like juicero
amber bane
I actually have not
little crypt
into which Google poured money
little crypt
I actually have not
it's glorious lemme send you yt vid
amber bane
go for it
little crypt
amber bane
oh right the drm'd juicer
little crypt
xD
Also i think that having bad feelings, because trailer looks bad, is diving in too deep
But fair enough tbh
it's important to not overhype and wait for more news
amber bane
anyways, we can only wait and see at the moment, so that's probably what I'll be doing
little crypt
I'm not going to sleep until they give more news
amber bane
lul
little crypt
gonna play deltarune chapter 2 in meantime
amber bane
have fun :p
amber bane
x3
little crypt
:_:
No save file
i swear there better not be something that will require me to beat the joker
little crypt
Stopped reading halfway through, but now back to it and this part:
"The Management = Upward Progress Problem
This, I think, is a well known issue of hierarchies. The problem here is that the only way to advance your career is to become a manager, not to improve the work that you do. Managers have an important role in hierarchies, but it’s good to remember that that’s all it is: just another role, not a superior one. The culture of credit, compensation, and prestige being a function of the number of people that work under you is exactly the type of thing that makes big companies inefficient.
Fundamentally a skilled engineer or a skilled designer is most useful when they’re writing software or designing products, not when they’re managing people. However, frequently the only way to get a higher salary is to “move up” to a managerial role within a company. Furthermore, the only way to get the authority to make decisions about what you’re working on is to manage people. Arguably someone with the skills to become a manager is also capable of making decisions from their IC role as well.
A salary can be a function of the employee’s performance and not their rank, and if they show initiative and good intuition for the products and the industry then simply they should be given access to the channels that would normally allow the managers to push for the implementation of something new. This of course would require high transparency in the company’s decision making process as well as the willingness to give the freedom to employees to take the initiative when it comes to developing new products."
It's a wall of text, but oh god yesssssss
amber bane
I'm looking at clockwork's company registration and it ain't looking good imma be honest
has changed multiple times in the past it's HQs address
oddly enough all to very large apartment buildings
all with from what I'm seeing incorrect apartment numbers
like say a 4 story building but they are on the 7th floor
amber bane
registering a company to an apartment complex is def sus af
there was even one registered to some kind of villa thing..?
still had an invalid room number tho
company was named skylab, inc before changing name in 2019
little crypt
btw where you saw those changes in location?
little crypt
huh
amber bane
I like how they changed from a valid floor to an invalid one
cuz 313 actually exists
but from what I was able to dig up not anything above 400+
could also be that all my research is dogshit and worth nothing x)
but ngl
all the addresses I was able to find linked to clockwork were all filled to the brim with random/sketchy af companies
little crypt
huh i cant find Clockwork labs in business search, i think i'm doing something wrong
wait i got it kek
amber bane
x)
little crypt
it's just clockwork LabsLaboratories
amber bane
yeah it's confusing
amber bane
ikr
little crypt
I'm leaving
amber bane
x)
little crypt
xd
amber bane
XD
little crypt
One thing i love about world is that you can say that some place is cringe, and people will follow on the joke
aside from Canada really, no fun with them
amber bane
I'm canadian uwu
little crypt
Quebec though..
little crypt
;w; look I didn't choose to be born in the worst province of all
xDDD
amber bane
but yeah to come back to the subject I already contacted the rental service that was renting the apartment in sunnyvale
awaiting confirmation if apt 912 even exists
also another good indicator of if it's fake or not is if I get wiped off the face of this discord in the next 24h
little crypt
xD
amber bane
cuz if they trying to scam they'll def get rid of this thread at the very least
little crypt
I dont think they were even near being prepared for this much traffic
amber bane
yeah definitely not
having threads turned on makes sure mods aren't able to moderate anything
legit mods would have to sub to every thread and that's not happening let's be real x)
little crypt
Altough this thread is in the channel that's supposed to be read by devs
And has a 6 hour slowmode
little crypt
So uhhh if you devs were just doing tax evasion, i dont really care
little crypt
x) oh wait it has a 6h slowmode? XD
Yea, honestly discord should add an option for channels where you can only send 1 messege
amber bane
discord is too busy making sure to fuck over every bot dev right now x)
little crypt
6h is max slowmode, so channels like this or clan recruitment end up having quite a bit of repeating
little crypt
True, yeah sounds smart
amber bane
lemme find the gist
it's a pretty long read I'm just warning you
and by long I mean long
Will there be pvp in the game
when will the game be released?
changed the name of the thread for "stealth" reasons
oh ok thanks for the answer
little crypt
xD sorry was away ;p
amber bane
nw nw
little crypt
The name change is actually bad, it would atract more attention
little crypt
Name it: "digging through buisness stuff and paperwork"
amber bane
x) you serious?
little crypt
Also am i supposed to read FAQ or the backstory of that medical guy
I'll read both eventually but which one answers why is bot making gonna be harder
little crypt
Oh k will come back once i read the long one then
little crypt
Yeah.. since i never worked on a discord bot, i can't 100% get the same vibes, but this is quite a depressing and normal story.
Thanks for sharing, maybe if i run into discord ceo I'll ask him to look into that issue
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Anyway, one more thing i thought about:
You said that you're worried about trailer looking so good for a pre alfa game,
But they needed loads of testers, cause if it's supposed to be single large world, hosting them all
Even if it's split up into regions, they need to check out how border travel will work and such
amber bane
they gonna close ask a question x) how unexpected
little crypt
3Blade even replied to some memes, if this is all for a scam, they're really good
pulsar nymph
Gonna be honest if this is a scam I'm very confused where they are getting their cash from
If anything the only people they can scam is investors, but if they have investors, less likely to be a scam as they have backing
This is quite the odd situation
If they had a kickstarter or something, i would see that as a big, massive, red flag
But they dont
little crypt
It looks too good to be true
pulsar nymph
But it also has nothing that it can really use to scam us anyways
amber bane
@pulsar nymph the thing is, do we even have any proof they got investors
like they say they got 4.3M but like where's the proofs?
little crypt
I mean.. www.crunchbase.com
idk how reliable of a website that is, but it's directly linked by Linkedin, so I'd assume it has at least some credibility
Plus it is true that so far they haven't done anything that could be used to scam players
pulsar nymph
<@!484763548334161939> the thing is, do we even have any proof they got investor...
Well then the issue is what's the point of them lying?
They would just tarnish their name and not much else would happen. They wont gain anything, just a bad reputation
If they are trying to make a scam they are doing some weird ass shit as right now they have no way to actually go about gaining cash
amber bane
for now no
pulsar nymph
Until they start asking for cash we can sort of rule out the idea this is a scam, as well, they have nothing they can use to earn anything
If they start asking for cash without development, then yes that would be an issue
amber bane
wait
wdym
they collect emails
and they say in their eula they sell it off
that sounds like a way to make money to me
pulsar nymph
They sell off, emails? How much cash could you even hypothetically make off that?
Seems they would probably loose more cash then they would earn
amber bane
depends on how you sell it
also they have a nice little survey
asking for what kinda games you play and how much
pulsar nymph
Seems they would probably loose more cash then they would earn
To make the trailer in the first place, to have an entire up and running domain, ect
pulsar nymph
It just seems like they would be making less cash then then is actually worth it
And there are much cheaper ways to go about getting emails, like just having scam surveys and nothing else
While promising some great prize
amber bane
true
pulsar nymph
Seems way too unlikely they would do all this for just a few bucks selling emails to advertisers
amber bane
still waiting on confirmation to see if their company address is even valid
indeed
it does
pulsar nymph
So for now I see this as probably legit, and if it isnt legit, too bad, ain't much of an issue to me seeing as no one is losing any cash
And if anything they would be the ones losing the money they spent making the trailer, website, ect
amber bane
ig they could just be working in imaginary offices and spending all their time and effort on the graphical side of things while not working on anything else
for a pre-alpha there's really not anything to show except for the graphics of the game
pulsar nymph
Well, for now we should be actually positive about the game as no real scummy practices have been shown yet
pulsar nymph
Scummy practices that actually effect anyone at all
And even for the whole gameplay thing, the game was litterly just announced
amber bane
if the game was literally just announced, why show us basically finished graphics?
the fucking trailer looks better than fully finished games ffs
and they're claiming to be in "pre-alpha"
pulsar nymph
A pre-alpha does actually make sense
They have a probably near finished or half-finished game, but they will need testers for both server stress tests, and to find things that wouldn't have been found if played intentionally
As the devs will probably tend to play the game how they view it should be played, so having testers that will play it in ways that may have not been intended would be very useful to note and help with finding bugs and other issues that wouldnt have been found
amber bane
so you're telling me they would call it a pre-alpha but basically have the game finished already?
interesting point of view
pulsar nymph
I mean if I was making a game
Especially an MMO
I'd go for testing and be very very cautious with how I make it
As unlike a survival game, MMOs present the issues such as servers, lag, and bugs caused by server lag
amber bane
yeah of course you'd be testing it that's obvious
but like I said the amount of detail in the shaders for the trailer is anything but pre-alpha levels of polish
especially if you're making an MMO and not an eye-candy
like geez, new world has shittier graphics than this
volumetric lighting
clouds refracting light
just look at it a couple of time
pulsar nymph
🤷♂️ graphics wise the game looks good yeah, is it impossible to have such graphics, probably not impossible but I ain't a game dev
amber bane
look, I know what I'm talking about
this level of shading is fucking insane for a pre-alpha
have you seen games that are comparable graphically to this?
games that were in early development like this
pulsar nymph
Is that a bad thing tho? Also the lighting is probably unlikely to be that high quality, could easily have just been for the trailer's sake
amber bane
okay well then at this point you can consider that scamming since the trailer basically only shows the graphics of the game
so if they aren't even accurately depicted what is the trailer worth?
pulsar nymph
But then it becomes the issue who are they scamming?
pulsar nymph
That's the main thing making me think this isnt a scam, I cant see who they are scamming rn
amber bane
yeah rn
pulsar nymph
the people that are gonna buy it?
When the game is out you only need to see like 1 video to know if it's good or not
And even before that, if it is bad people testing will notice
pulsar nymph
Then post release, just dont get the game till videos are made about it
So you can see what you are getting
amber bane
yep and by then they'll have run away with the money a long time ago
costs nothing to be cautious and not be part of the horde of monkeys hyping a potential scam
if the game releases and it's actually real
pulsar nymph
But by the time the game is released, someone is likely at least even going to live stream it, so depending on how much they charge the cash they making may just be too low before people catch on to the low quality game
amber bane
trust me I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong
pulsar nymph
For me anyway, I'm not gonna complain about anything unless they start collecting cash before the game is released
pulsar nymph
If they make a kickstarter or something, then that's a red flag if they have no gameplay
If they show gameplay, have people you can trust test the game and make vids on it
Then I'd basically be fine
pulsar nymph
Then I simply wont buy it till I see gameplay post release
amber bane
same fam
sadly I can't say the same for all the people in this discord and that's what bothers me ^^'
look at the hype generated by a trailer that shows basically nothing
it's fucking mental
pulsar nymph
Eh, unless anyone starts paying cash with no gameplay shown, I ain't seeing the hype as much of a bad thing
As if it is a scam they would then just get away with basically nothing and let down fans
little crypt
My full view, until QnA i guess:
So, of course, we can not do guilty until proven otherwise, this just isn't fair, even is some parts may look questionable, they haven't taken any money yet [at least not from players] and they didn't even have much time to react to this massive amount of feedback.
-Trailer:
There's really loads of possibilities here:
a) The game is ready for selling, and this is their [early access, but still] release. For MMO not attracting enough population at start might just mean a dead game. Especially when they aim for it to be focused on community
b) The game is not finished enough to sell, even on lowered price and early access. The people they were looking for was closer to testers, than players. Again, if they wish to test some things, they need a lot of people, looking at their reaction, they did not expect this many people or this much excitement.
c) It's a scam.
In my opinion B is the most likely. A is dubious, since it's a small team, that only recently funding.
-Survey:
It caught my attention as well. It seems a lot more like one to gather data to sell, rather to use for feedback and development. Now that i think about it, it does look very similar to one that Genshin Impact sent..
I checked the survey again, and noticed this text:
"Please fill out this optional survey to greatly improve your chances of being selected for the Pre-Alpha." imo kinda creepy, but giving a reward for your time is reasonable i guess
a) They genuinely hope to use some of that information to steer towards a game most of their players want.
b) They wanted to gain some extra funding, which is critical to expand studio and finish up the game
c) It's just a 2nd way to gain even more money on this scam.
Honestly, i'm not sure but maybe a mix of A and B? But if it was A, why not make the survey longer?
-Location changing:
I honestly just dont have much idea how weird is that, could be anything for me, but Nona is concerned about it, so i guess this is a mid tier red flag
I doubt game is gonna be closed to finish in pre-alpha, i'm setting my expectations for about 2-3 years of development at least, the studio is just too small and got that 4mil funding only recently.
I have some worries about the game being just a cheap jump on the train, i almost completly discard the possibility of it being just a scam.
This is mainly due to how they act, how they've got profile pictures on their website, how they've added 3 channels[ #archived-questions , #suggestions and #game-speculation, for community to engage and give them feedback], how 3Blade actually sent a messege in #archived-memes