Roads

[high phoenix]

Terraforming and removing roads that people use (which are super helpful for getting around), just cause you don't particularly like the way they look is rather petty. Why does everyone have to build to your specifications? I happen to like the way 5 hex roads look, and the roads we have made are well traveled and used constantly.

If its right outside your claim, that is your business, but you make it sound like you plan to travel around and just dismantle anything that doesn't fit your particular desires. That's destructive and in a way griefing players who use the roads to get around. Not a ban-able offense, but you certainly aren't going to have people happy with you if you start going around dismantling hard work

[high phoenix]

Sounds to me like you are just vandalizing roads cause you don't like them. You certianly won't be making friends in the game doing that, lol.

I don't think anyone wants it to look like GTA either 😆 but having roads between settlements is pretty universally useful. My only suggestion would be don't go beyond 5 if possible. Larger roads would lead to larger settlements kinda thing. And honestly I think most people are doing what you suggested anyway

[cinder cradle]

Where is your settlement? I want to bask in the glory of your masterful settlement placement and road designs

[high phoenix]

@dapper sandal you'll be happy to know roads decay! 🙂 so if roads aren't maintained and replaced over time, it will revert back to nature!

We had a road near us start decaying in chunks

I think it was placed about...a week ago 🤔 so seems like after a week the road will start disappearing in chunks

Of course! I also don't want monstrosity roads all over the place either, I think things will balance out and the majority of like 'large' roads will primarily end up being between settlements or settlements to capitols

Thankfully I haven't seen any like truly atrocious roads in our region. Fingers crossed that it stays that way! Most roads around us have minimal terraforming just to allow carts/wagons through

[high phoenix]

yeah that is not the way to go about it

We use mostly 3-4 tile roads and only have 5 right outside our settlement for short distance

I haven't seen anything like that around us

[drifting kernel]

It's just unfair to do this you just need to talk with people put this roads and tell him you prefer to have somethings more natural. Becose destroy work from other people just like that it's not cool. doing with adult method and talk with the empire. I'm not angry about change roads but just about destroy with any permission or talk time. beginner people like and use a lot roads like that so respect beginner too.

i'm not native english sorry if i have a lot of problem in my message ^^ ( edit message Mymyr your right the first is useless ^^ )

[shrewd mountain]

No offense intended, but as a wandering bystander, this entire message reads like some bizarre copypasta 😂

I'm saving this for later

[dusk crypt]

How would you rate these types? I like this particular color combo for visibility, but also because it blends in most situations on the sides (t1 tile, t2 gravel).

I try to use natural ridges/hills where possible.

Sometimes its a bit difficult from 41 to 105 height elevation Xp

[pallid barn]

this is the most unintentionally funny thing I have ever read, my dude you're a roaming HoA building code inspector

This is an online autism game lol

[tacit schooner]

For real

[halcyon vale]

this is the funniest thread ive seen yet for this exact reason lmaooooo

bro is roleplaying as the most annoying person on the planet

on purpose

I assume it went something like "hey you guys need to build your roads the way i like them" "no"

[elfin swan]

I mean to some extent he has a point, people building roads generally have an efficiency mindset instead of a beauty mindset

[halcyon vale]

so the answer is to destroy the roads?

sounds like something a 13 year old would do tbh

[elfin swan]

To each their own

I doubt the deletion of roads he can do would be a significant impact anywhere other than his surrounding area

Which only really hurts his settlement and a few surrounding ones

[pallid barn]

You HAVE to be trolling

[halcyon vale]

i just hope he actually does destroy roads and he pisses enough people off to have them unite to cut him off from the rest of the region by terraforming around the settlement he owns in R5 down to min depth so he has to do the annoying transfer across a few hexes everytime he wants to bring stuff inside

(its hobo village btw, just south west of dragons head)

[elfin swan]

This is the actual beauty of a social mmo

[ashen fox]

Just wait until enough people will unite and start gathering all the resources specifically near his claim, so they "migrate out", and the official reason would be "We think those resources are not places according to what we think is beautiful, so we removed them"

[halcyon vale]

you can certainly try to report it i guess, but its already been confirmed to not be griefing since it wouldnt be preventing you from playing the game at all, and the solution to the problem is implemented in the game (terraform it back up or down)

[dusk crypt]

A lot of tier 4+ resources are currently depleting, I've been tracking with with the help of Wiz in a bug report thread. For instance, today there are 90% less Fine Clay nodes compared to 10 days ago due to a respawning bug. A lot of berries are endangered now as well (those are generally paveable).

[halcyon vale]

i can just foresee a future where you destroy the wrong road and have like 30 people outside of your door making your settlement very annoying to exist in, then if you try to flee to another region theyll just look up where you want and make whatever settlement you join kick you out 😂

its sort of like actions having consequences

good boy

ah the ol semantic "im not destroying it im making it better"

whatever man, do you. if you have a group of degens making it as annoying as possible for you to play until you quit dont cry about it though you did it to yourself 😂

[mossy magnet]

I personally find this road pretty and I’d be sad if you had ruined it’s aesthetics by trimming the edges off 🤷‍♂️

[pliant ravine]

Can you stop destroying the highway we paid the trailblazers to make? It doesn't hurt you so move on.

[tranquil elm]

i hope you're ready for the storm that you just called buddy

[pliant ravine]

despite your opinion on roads, we paid a group a lot of hex for this and took time to think up a design and make the mats for it. its heart breaking, so please stop

It doesnt hurt you that there is a road that we like there. please stop

[tranquil elm]

i hope you like mud

[pliant ravine]

Your griefing is not appreciated. There is a huge area for you to forage that isn't our one road

You did though. Like I said, we put a lot of thought and time into the design and making the mats.

And all I have to say is stop. It really doesn't hurt you, but it is heartbreaking for us.

[dapper ermine]

🍿

[wind pebble]

You are wrong stop destroying peoples work because you don't like it

If you have trouble finding resources because a road goes through thats a you issue

[dense jungle]

a good looking road is nice dont get me wrong. problem is that your forceing people to build them your way by tearing it up instead of the way they want it to look.

expecially after someone paid for a road and your there tearing it up to make it the way you want.

a terrible road doesn't hurt anyone. is it a eyesore? yes. does it do harm? no.

[native dove]

It doesnt matter if it was a paid project, imagine its a poor guy that he only likes to go online for a few hours a day after a horrible work day and likes to make roads, and suddenly this b goes and destroys it because "its an eyesore for him"

I just believe he is the most self centered person i know and has no respect for people

[wind pebble]

Sure and those with claims in the area are welcome to discuss it. The only reason to travel halfway across a continent to pave over roads nowhere near your claim is because you are intentionally harassing a group

Guess you don't understand the point of the game is to rebuild civilization. Good thing you think your opinion is the only one that matters on aesthetics when there are plenty that like the design of those roads and look forward to that ina social sandbox.

[native dove]

its a fing road, what DOMINATION are you talking about?

[tacit schooner]

this is why we need open pvp 😌

[halcyon vale]

would you be able to come back and move this stockpile

its blocking a tree

or just give me perms ill do it

its ugly i dont like the way it looks

[dusk crypt]

I think the Tortuga road is very artful and follows a nice design. It was built by "the" roadmaking guild and I respect their work and choices. I feel like just like real life, road ways can have multiple purposes and styles, and wide/straight ones work well for settlements and large communities/empires. This one I've tagged, I do agree could use some work and is unnecessarily large, random, and not "cleared". I feel like there is a compromise to make on the basis of the purpose of the roads.

This is one I'm personally not a fan of despite the work put in:

[wanton marten]

I'm split on the issue. On the one side, I'm annoyed at the millions of T1 pebble/stone tiles, especially in large claims.

It removes so much of the beauty of the natural environment. I also agree that roads larger than 3hex are for the most part unneeded and removes spawn points for resources.

Very near a large claim, for a dozen hex long sure make a grand entrance but for roadways, 4 hexes should be enough.

[wanton marten]

It looks "grand" but so much resources won't spawn. At least the colors fit with the surroundings

[native dove]

i get the "resources" complain.. but it is not that bad, we farm around our base all day, and we have these roads in the middle not affecting us at all..

[dusk crypt]

Yes, the design is also consistent. Its just the width and purpose for it doesn't exist yet. It goes to an unfinished mountain road that hasn't had work done in weeks, and the other end goes to a settlement and deadends just after. I think it would be nicer if they squished the size and repaved with newer materials/styles they have access to now.

I don't hate it, but I just feel like it's a waste.

[wanton marten]

still, very far from me to go and undo that work

[dusk crypt]

I agree. I think talking to nearby settlements would be best to find the intent. I'm itching to repave/unpave the settlement I work with though Xp.

[halcyon vale]

yeah the resources argument is hilarious

[mellow matrix]

Why can't you just let other people play the way they enjoy. Who appointed you the national road police? Different places have different roads (like American cars are generally too big for European roads) let people play the way they want and leave their stuff alone. There are hundreds of hours of grinding to do in this game. Go do something actually productive smh

[ancient mountain]

Is there a reason they're allowed to destroy the roads? Like don't they need permission to do so?

[mellow matrix]

Cause it's not in a settlement, it's technically "free" land anyone can build on

[jovial kiln]

It very specifically is Tortuga stuff that you are messing with.

[halcyon vale]

yeah if its not part of a claim (within the border) anyone can do anything with it

[jovial kiln]

Just because it isn't in a claim doesn't mean it isn't owned.

[halcyon vale]

i mean its a bit like freedom of speech to me

youre free to do whatever you want with it

[wanton marten]

@dapper sandal If you visit Region 8, come see my settlement "UMB Howling Reach" just north of Brimreach. Minimal disruption of the local flora 🙂

[halcyon vale]

youre not free from the consequences though

[wind pebble]

Apparently the karens got bored of running their hoa's

[dapper sandal]

I will check it out, thanks

[mellow matrix]

True that

[ancient mountain]

Sounds like the developers need to come up with some way to make roads more permanent then, otherwise this just seems like intended game design? Same with people walling off crafting stations. It's not polite at all but it's allowe by the game design.

If anything I'd like to see suggestions on how to make roads a part of the game somehow so they are 'protected'.

[halcyon vale]

yeah nobody is breaking any rules

[wind pebble]

https://discord.com/channels/558439686083969035/1396920608113037313

[tribal stag]

the devs are looking into this so this type of thing shouldnt be possible

[ancient mountain]

Yeah. That's good.

[mellow matrix]

I honestly think it's great as is, if you don't own the land, you don't really control the road. I can go put a road anywhere on open land but if someone buys that land they can remove that road. "Protected" roads on open land is a dumb idea imho. Roads should and can be changed as the world around changes. That's very different than trolls be crabby karens

Gonna be locking later settlements into land they can't control once owned

[dapper sandal]

from personal experience, I can advise you to also scrupulously avoid whatever region happens to be chosen by Tortuga!

[wind pebble]

Maybe you should take that advice and move

[tacit schooner]

Whilst its a bit of a bad look to go deleting peoples roads, i also dont think roads should get super special protection either outside of claims

[wind pebble]

I only see one bully

[tacit schooner]

i mean, walling off t7 is cringe behaviour but so is deleting peoples roads because they dont meet your personal metric of ok

[dense jungle]

they shouldnt outside of claims.

but changeing them just because you didnt like them should not be why you change them.

upgradeing a T1 to a T2? yes.

removeing it because it doesnt fit your ideal road? not really.

[wind pebble]

How is preventing trolls from abusing limited passive slots cringe behaviour? tortuga put in the work for those benches, they can do what they want with them

[tacit schooner]

i personally just find it cringe because its against the spirit of the game and its intended design

its like people trying to wall of traveller trees, or blocking passages in dune

is just pve shenanigans

[wind pebble]

The point of early access is to help figure out what needs to be improved and polished. How can you say whats against design?

Ahh yes those screenshots of you unpaving aren't real

[tacit schooner]

you dont need special insight to see that walling stuff off is not intended behaviour, because if it was they would have added door locking, etc etc. Instead they give you gold for people using your stations etc. Clearly the devs dont want walled off, private settlements in the current game design.

This is like walling off traveller trees and saying its intended design.

Or blocking ways in dune etc, and saying its intended design.

Its bad faith argument - but i guess offtopic

agree on the pictures

[old pelican]

Tortuga walling off their stations then complaining about minor road alterations is hilarious tbh

[tranquil plover]

how about a direct reply from the co-founder of the company?

[wind pebble]

Have you ever implemented doors? it's considered one of the hardest tasks in game dev. maybe they just haven't figured out how they want it yet.

[tranquil elm]

minor road alterations, not griefing, right?

[chrome wharf]

Honestly... I just feel bad for the people who put the work into the roads, which wasn't even Tortuga

[tacit schooner]

we have some good roads in our region, dudes are lit

[old pelican]

edit: he admits it below, I was wrong

[tacit schooner]

ill not mess with their stuff

[unreal frigate]

That makes a road impassible by wagon. I'm sure it isn't just Tortuga that uses that road to transport goods.

[chrome wharf]

Keshi and the Trailblazers are amazing, and they do really great works of art

[tranquil elm]

this wasn't there 15 mins ago so yeah i feel like it's a safe assumption it was him

[chrome wharf]

It's a shame to see their art getting destroyed like this...

[tacit schooner]

😂

outed

[chrome wharf]

It's a road the Trailblazers made

[tacit schooner]

terminal brain damage

[chrome wharf]

The things Keshi and his people make are works of art

[wind pebble]

It's a good thing nobody cares about your opinion, did you get kicked off the hoa board so need to find somewhere else to harass people

[chrome wharf]

Art is subjective, not everyone has to like it

[tacit schooner]

im down to wall off this dudes entire settlement

unfortunate

[unreal frigate]

And it is ART. Keshi and the Trailblazers designed that road to not look like endless gravel or mud. I feel that part is the real tragedy of this. A clash of aesthetics with the users of the road losing. Leave the art be.

[tacit schooner]

this is kinda guy that would ruin street art and paint it whitewash

[chrome wharf]

I've seen that kind of thing in some of the neghborhoods I've lived in... it sucks to see...

[sullen shore]

lmao did tortuga just block off this dude's whole settlement in retaliation?

[wind pebble]

He probably thinks every house should be painted the same blank color "for property value"

[sullen shore]

i expect nothing less of them

[unreal frigate]

As for use, that road connects several different claims and biomes. It is long by necessity.

[wind pebble]

You put out a blanket warning you are going to destroy any public work you don't like and call others bullies

[tacit schooner]

Yes yes we get it, you play the victim in every area of life

[halcyon vale]

"how dare they react negatively to me dismantling sections of their road!"

to be fair, whatever is happening to you fits what you just said to a tea

[tacit schooner]

tortuga didnt make the road bro, you may have a stick up your ass about them

but it wasnt them

[primal talon]

semantics. they wanted it and paid for it

[dense jungle]

my boy. it doesnt matter if it was public land or not. you dont go around changeing things without permission and think you are above all.

[tacit schooner]

takes a dump in someones cereal boy why are they are upset. i just wanted to mark it with my aesthetic

[halcyon vale]

correct, but dont cry about consequences

[dense jungle]

yes but if they paid for it and someone put in the work for it. you dont touch it. especially when they tell you to not change it.

[wind pebble]

It's not even near his claim, maybe if it went past his claim he could say something

[chrome wharf]

Keshi and them have been working on the road for weeks, terraforming and getting mats for paving and then paving it too

[sturdy heart]

@crude stone this is clearly ingame drama and not valuable feedback to the game and would like to petition to lock this thread 🥹

[crude stone]

I don't mind discussion of road aesthetics, but we do have a rule against bringing in-game drama into the discord. Further conversation about in-game disputes should be avoided in here, thank you.

If you need to report any in-game behavior you can do so through https://discord.com/channels/558439686083969035/1385621193075458158

[faint crystal]

I just wanted to bring people together. I'm sorry it ended up this way everyone. 💔

[wind pebble]

We love your work, keep doing what you enjoy and making this game a smaller place

[frosty ruin]

It's really just the one guy. The roads are amazing

[faint crystal]

I have a team of lovely people who all put their hearts into these!

[sullen shore]

wait is this actually even the case. i haven't seen this. we had a discussion about this in general chat yesterday but i think everyone said that paving hasn't been decaying.

[plucky musk]

Fully paived settlements? You mean people trying to avoid stuff spawing in the way and blocking paths?

We put TONs of time and resources into it, and it looks VERY pretty. And you say covering it over, wasting our time and resources, and money (Hex coins), is fine? Buddy, you sound like a bully. Please stop. You do not own the server. You do not own the game. You are not the king of roads. If you have a problem, join the Road Guild and give your input. Don't go around ruining the game for others. This is greifing, and bad sportsmanship and gamer behavior. Please stop.

[plucky musk]

No one paved over your roads. YOU are the greifer.

[sullen shore]

bruh, stop

[plucky musk]

Sorry.

You say sorry.

[plucky musk]

Sorry, was still reading

[copper dragon]

turns out i missed this by hours... did anyone knows the ign of the person who did it?

[sturdy heart]

Please read the rules in #rules

[plucky musk]

Murgatroyd

Deleting all the messages and victim blaming does not delete memories of harassment, bullying, and griefing, nor the fact he ruins my small, narrow personal road and made me cry. Or the screenshots we took of it all, Murgatroyd.

[raw gust]

just link Pavings with Building Skill, so it makes Building skill more attractive MAYBE, and its a first case solution.

For Example:

You can build T1 Pavings with building level lower then 20, but if you want to pave t2 you need to be building 20 and so on, and you cant overpave t2 with t1 if you are not level 20

[faint crystal]

Unfortunately that leads way to griefing by blocking those of low level from removing pavings placed by griefers

[raw gust]

and griefers still need the level too

its a solution for NEw made Troll account, only made for destroying roads, and Building skill needs some love currently

i only brought this up, if we need an fast solution for a moment, so it buys time for a better solution system

[plucky musk]

Maybe a Road Claim? Paving not protected by a Road Claim decays quickly, and Road Claims need mats or it still decays. That way roads also cost something to maintain, either clay in place of supplies or hex coins in tolls. That way we know that road is being used, it is protected from Griefers altering, removing or using Dig Sites to alter terrain, and it reduces unwanted roads from being built, while giving a great incentive to working together to keep roads that are helpful, like the main thurifers between cities and bioms, up.

Could even have a tracker to keep track of how many peole use it in a set amount of time.

[faint crystal]

There's many factors that can be reviewed. I just held out hope that the community would be able to respect each other enough to enjoy community efforts, designed for everyone to benefit from, without enforcing their own will upon it.

[raw gust]

Yeah but more "trolls" are coming in like 2 years

[tacit schooner]

it happens in every pve game like people walling off routes in dune etc

pve is no different from pvp you just get different tactics used

[halcyon vale]

exactly, people will always pvp even if theres no "official pvp" itll just be via other means

the market is another example of pvp

for example camping the market to relentlessly undercut somebody, stalking their whereabout in game to make sure you control whatever market and they can never sell any of their things in the hopes they just leave it alone for you to have. its pvp