Badfurs - Badwater Faction

[main knot]

yey ironteeth can plant foods now ❤️

[main knot]

can you add support for the more lights mods?

[gritty estuary]

Should it be that they get contaminated if they drink good water? Because they like Badwater. I thought they get a boost of badwater 🤔 so the feral think would make more sense if it happens when they excedently drink good water or get in contact with it. 🤔

[arctic timber]

They like badwater, but it's still badwater so I want it to have some downside

[fossil monolith]

I'm admittedly a little scared of the change to make the breeding pods take badwater. Some maps I don't think I'll make it before my adults die off -- admittedly because I'm a slow player

Though, can I suggest something a little off the cuff? The Arid Farmhouse is one of the cooler features of the mod, and it would be neat for you to start with it instead of the standard farmhouse. Would also be a huge differentiation from the other two factions -- you'd need to initially utilize the space you would put buildings on.

The growing period for it's only current crop is admittedly a little steep for early game, but I feel like the idea is solid

It's your mod though, I just wanted to throw it out there

[arctic timber]

I had considered that. I'd want more than just one crop though, and adding new ones is a bit tedious

[arctic timber]

Also, I had thought of making the beavers live longer, that might help balance it

[arctic timber]

I can look into it. I think for supporting other mods, I'd make it like an addon. I want to keep dependencies to a minimum

[gritty estuary]

They would have the downside with normal water i thought.

By the way do you have a real Background story to the faction?

[arctic timber]

I liked the way Shimzu put it. No badwater is bad, some is good, but too much is also bad

[main knot]

thats what bobbing dos a lot of the time, and thats fine

[main knot]

i only played a little bit so far, but personaly i dont feel the faction relies on badwater enough, it plays the same as the other races so far, just with a bonus to drinking water if its badwater

also feel the farmhouses should be swapped, rewarding players that push into / start in arid environments

[arctic timber]

Yeah, I do like that idea

[thick imp]

Found an untranslated string: The BioFuel RecipeSpecDisplayLocKey is Good.BioFuel.PluralDisplayName, which is missing

Only other issue I had with timbertrees is the Prickly Pear's drought resistance (which was easy to fix)

[gritty estuary]

🤔 is it Possible to change that there are goodwater Floods instead of badwater ones.
So we would have a map that has badwater as normal water and from time to time it has Goodwater floods.

[arctic timber]

I've considered it, but I want to leave maps unchanged. Adding goodwater floods is an interesting idea, though I'm not sure how it'd integrate with existing difficulties

[gritty estuary]

Maybe as a nother difficulty?
For special Maps direct Designed for badfurs. Or an upgraded hard core version of the mod?

[fossil monolith]

Wanted to praise the new portrait, that looks great:

(Restarting my test playthrough)

(Looks like the resolution is very slightly lower?)

[arctic timber]

Thanks, I'm really proud with how it turned out!! I'll have to double check the resolution

[static rock]

Beautiful

[main knot]

maybe we can unlock a dirst block early only for farming that allows us to make irrigared farmland in badwater

cus badwater corruption spreading is a lot les than normal water

maybe thats an idea, badwater beaver damns double as planting area

seems that badwater aint giving them water :/ i thought badwater was suposed to boost growrth, or is that only arid plants?

[arctic timber]

Badwater gives a growth boost, but it still needs to be irrigated with regular water

[arctic timber]

Maybe instead of a dirt block, a type of irrigation barrier that lets soil around it be irrigated by badwater

[main knot]

is house breeding supposed to on still or is one of my other mods overwriting it

[main knot]

ok so it cant be pure badwater

[arctic timber]

It's not supposed to be, but I'll double check

[arctic timber]

Correct

[main knot]

theres a new mod by bobbing that might be messing with it, is why im ask about house breeding

[arctic timber]

Yeah, house breeding is disabled. Which mod is it?

[main knot]

@neat dirge https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3721671926

its the only mod i hav that i can think would change that

[neat dirge]

hmm? why was I pinged?

[main knot]

sorry for ping but i think your mod might be overwriting the breeding set by badfurs

[neat dirge]

Which mod?

Oh, that's because there's no definition for BadFurs, so it goes with the default and assigns 50/50 Male/Female.

and Breeding works differently

So if BadFurs aren't supposed to be able to breed, I'd have to add a definition to set them to 100% ace or something

[arctic timber]

Does your mod check if the dwelling has a ProcreationHouseSpec?

[neat dirge]

No. It decorates Dwelling.

I purposely ignored ProcreationHouseSpec because I don't add it to Emberpelts or Leaf Coats buildings (they use a custom version of it so my other mod for Disabling Breeding can turn it off), and for factions like Greedy Nation, allow beavers to breed in any house.

So Breeding is intentionally not filtered by house type

[main knot]

dumb question, is it possable to detect a race and have mod setting to change it manualy?

[arctic timber]

Ahh gotcha, that'd be why. Not including ProcreationHouseSpec is how I did the no breeding

[neat dirge]

Like I said, I'd need to make a definition for BadFurs to set them to Ace (which translates to: unable or unwilling to breed)

[neat dirge]

That's how IronTeeth does it, so it makes sense.

I'd also need to add BadFurs to my other breeding overhaul mod (Beaver Faction Split Breeding) so they don't breed there either.

How do Badfurs procreate?

[arctic timber]

Is the definition something I could add to the Badfurs so that you don't have to?

They procreate the same as Iron Teeth, breeding pods

Just with badwater instead of water

[neat dirge]

Yes.

If you want to include the definitions in your own mod, you'd just need to get Beaver Faction Split Needs and Genders: A Procreation Overhaul, grab a copy of the IronTeeth definitions, rename them to BadFurs, and edit the contents to change the FactionID to BadFurs.

Then there's also a definition in Beaver Faction Split Needs, where you should put every need on the list that isn't Common (though that's harder to figure out, because I think Emberpelts, LeafCoats and Whitepaws all remove things that would normally be in common)

[arctic timber]

Haha, I also remove things that'd be in common

[neat dirge]

Emberpelts remove Wetfur, LeafCoats removes Campfire and whitepaws... dayum

Split needs is a bit more... Niche though, you really don't need to mess with it unless someone intents to do a multi-faction faction including bad furs

[arctic timber]

Gotcha, I'll take a look at those

[neat dirge]

Then you'd need to not only configure BadFur needs, but also a definition for that multi-faction faction to add Badfurs to it

Just stick with Genders and Split Breeding for now

[main knot]

the idea of a special trough that lets pure badwater irrigate land is great maybe only where the corruption is is irrigated, unless thats a pain to program

i still feel like the current state of badfurs is too close to normal beavers, and dont rely on badwater enough, the more you add to make badwater usable the better :3

[arctic timber]

I'll have to look but I don't think it'd be too difficult

[gritty estuary]

thought of an upgarde where its not only get boost by badwater. get contaminated by goodwater and altough have goodwaterfloods instead of badwater ones. I think it would need special maps that have mainly badwater but. Create a map with only / one one goodwater source shoud be the eayser part but make the code to switch badwater to goodwater floods will be harder. I mean I coud create a map (Thats easy. Maybe rework one I havent released till now.) @arctic timber

[gritty estuary]

a rework of one of my maps expecially made for badwater lovers

put it in .../Documents/Timberborn/Maps
to play it. the rework is not released on steam or other platforms wher you could put up maps so fare

[main knot]

those badwater chalange maps should be basicly eazymode for badfurs >< atleast thats what i feel should be :/

[inner wasp]

So if you install Emberpelts, it removes the need definition for wet fur entirely?

[main knot]

only for emberpelts?

[arctic timber]

Both the Emberpelts and Badfurs remove the wet fur need definition. The game has a check that every need that's defined has to be used, so if you just remove that the faction has that need, there'll be an unused definition and the game will crash

[thick imp]

That should be done via the faction specific blueprints

[inner wasp]

Yes, the common needs/resources cause some problems like that.

[arctic timber]

Yup, it is

[gritty estuary]

So switch it to need wet fur from badwater to give boost.

[arctic timber]

That's what the Contaminated Fur need is

[sudden path]

so i started my first colony with the badfurs and on day one i ran out of my starting water (i gave myself 600 units of clean to keep em alive) and they started to die of thrist before the first water pump could be installed. is this a know problem?

[arctic timber]

Normal water only restores their thirst by half as much as usual

[sudden path]

I understand that part but they were dying of thrist not even halfway through day one. I'll start another colony and see if it happens again

[arctic timber]

Hmm, I'm not quite sure why that would be. They get thirstier quicker if they're feral, but that shouldn't happen on day one

Just started a colony and they seem to get thirsty by the end of day 2

I don't recall how that compares to other factions. It should be the same, unless I have a bug somewhere

[gritty estuary]

@sudden path try here there you should have enough badwater 😉

[gritty estuary]

Like its build atm it should be easy. If you would use the original map i have on steam it would be hardmode ( close to Impossible) for a badwater faction.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3552697416

[sudden path]

restarted on a new map. everything is golden now.

[sudden path]

I'll give it a go!

[main knot]

sounds like a glitch or mod conflict, if using normal water they will demolish your supply but even then it should take like 3 days to die

[sudden path]

I have a few mods enabled and after discovering two of my mods were turned off i reset them and everything was fine (leafcoats and another mod I can’t remember atm)

[tiny sphinx]

Wow I guess a lot has happened while I was away

[main knot]

i made a new helix map for badfurs ❤️
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3734343419

almost all water is contaminated

[main knot]

@arctic timber hope your well

[main knot]

🙁 hope lone is ok and aint burnt out

[neat dirge]

Pretty sure they're okay. They've been working on beaver animation stuff. Been making progress with it, but need help with rigging models.

[main knot]

i noticed something strange and badfurs is the only thing i can think of....
my folktails are chugging antidotes like crazy but none of them are contaminated

[arctic timber]

Yeah, I'm taking a little break from Badfurs after the contest