Advanced Automation

[hybrid hatch]

but then how do I make the BeaverLimit signal?

[south wedge]

Ah. Lol.

Yes, this is a very good question 🙂 How do you want to set it?

Sounds like you want a kind of "district parameter". A limit that you can easliy adjust. Do I get it right?

[hybrid hatch]

yea, but it could be global too

but you could the UI on the district center for example,

[south wedge]

One (awkward) way of doing it could be using a signal that is always "true". When you save such a rule, the custom signal gets updated, but it happens only once. No ticking. I'd suggest the Constructable.OnUnfinished.State one.

[hybrid hatch]

(and optionally make it a per-district value)

[south wedge]

The custom signal value UI is what I'm considering. However, there are cases to be verified. Like, if you have a rule that constantly updates some signal value, what should the UI do with it? Obviously, all you changes via UI won't make sense.

[hybrid hatch]

yea, currently it only updates when you click off and back on to a building

which I think is fine

yea, that works,

where are import/export are they new?

[south wedge]

Sorry, not sure I get the question

[hybrid hatch]

was there a way to copy a set of rules as text?

ahh, yes the ⬆️ and ⬇️ outside the dialog

So this works: ⁨```lisp
condition:(gt (sig District.Beavers) (sig Signals.BeaverLimit))
action:(act Pausable.Pause)

condition:(lt (sig District.Beavers) (sig Signals.BeaverLimit))
action:(act Pausable.Unpause)

condition:(eq (sig Constructable.OnUnfinished.State) 'finished')
action:(act Signals.Set 'BeaverLimit' 3000)

The last rule is only added to a single place (one of the breeding pods is the easiest way)

The Master Control Pod

heh, are you going to allow export/import in Python?

[south wedge]

It's in my feature list. As usual, no ETA

[south wedge]

But you know, you actually gave me an impulse on this matter. I was skeptical on how it's useful (having a Python export/import). However, it's seems we have at least two people who likes it (me+you).

[hybrid hatch]

heh

I assume the hard work is done,

it's "just" a matter of replacing ⁨condition:($lisp)⁩ with ⁨if $python:⁩ and ⁨action:$lisp⁩ with ⁨ $python⁩?

heh, I was going to suggest moving the import/export into the dialog, and then I see you moved it out a couple of months ago 🙂

[south wedge]

I wish it was that simple. In fact, when I made the core system, I didn't consider the multi-lingual approach 🤣 The core system is working on lisp

UI was the easiest part to switch to a different syntax. It's a representational level.

E.g. the constructor UI is actually making Lisp expressions. Dynamites are also using Lisp to make new dynamites. Users of the mod don't need to know it, but I have to deal with it.

[hybrid hatch]

yea, so on export you could run it through the same lisp->python logic, and import run it through python->lisp logic?

[south wedge]

Yup. This can definitely be done.

I just need to make the code

[hybrid hatch]

ahh, import/export -- maybe have a single dialog for both?

sorry my brain is stuck on the icons,

I keep thinking they mean "move rule up and move rule down"

I was also looking at other options, eg

https://thenounproject.com/browse/icons/term/import-export/ has some other examples

[south wedge]

You're my hero! I broke my brain trying to make a user friendly icon.

I like the suggestions! What are your preferences?

[hybrid hatch]

Found that image in https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/119273/import-export-vs-upload-download-icons-arrow-direction

[south wedge]

Left or right? I like both icons.

Left will look better.

[hybrid hatch]

heh, I was amused by the discussion about what the arrow is relative to

export from server == download to client,

import to server == upload from client

[south wedge]

In TB, all icons get scaled. Thin lines don't look nice after this.

[hybrid hatch]

no

https://thenounproject.com/browse/icons/term/upload-download/ are some more ideas

[south wedge]

Haha. I've been through this. Most of the nice images there don't look good in the game 🙁

But I like the idea with the bold up/down arrows

Let me try it.

[hybrid hatch]

where are they in git?

[south wedge]

https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/blob/main/Automation/Assets/SmallButtons.pdn

You would need Paint.net to open it.

[hybrid hatch]

ahh, the individual assets are not in git?

[south wedge]

https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/tree/timberborn-1.0/ModsUnityProject

It's the main Unity repo. There, all the assets are final.

Here are all the buttons: https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/tree/timberborn-1.0/ModsUnityProject/Assets/Mods/Automation/AssetBundles/Resources/UI/Images/Buttons/IgorZ.Automation

[hybrid hatch]

but Unity can compile pdn into an AssetBundle?

ahh, under ModsUnityProject gotcha

[south wedge]

Nope, it cannot. Unity works with PNG.

PDN is a kind of "adobe photoshop" file. You use it to make PNG.

[hybrid hatch]

ahh, but you have made the icons solid then?

[south wedge]

Solid?

[hybrid hatch]

commit 5b32149

[south wedge]

Got it. Yes, I made them solid. The older version was not scaling good.

[hybrid hatch]

I'm still on mod version v3.3.0

which is the latest,

okay so maybe they will look nicer solid

agreed

[south wedge]

Kowalski! Options?
It's for the import icon.

[hybrid hatch]

heh, getpaint.net screenshot is my desktop background 🙂

Cosmic Cliffs

[hybrid hatch]

That one's non-free I think?

[south wedge]

Damn, you're right.

However

[hybrid hatch]

But do you want black?

[south wedge]

But no go anyway.

[south wedge]

No 🤣

[hybrid hatch]

What you updated a week ago looks much nicer (at least looking at the commit diff)

[south wedge]

But $3.33 per a month,. Given I only need ONE month. It may work.

[hybrid hatch]

where did you get the current icons?

[south wedge]

ChatGPT

[hybrid hatch]

heh

7000px x 7000px for a set of 4 icons?!?!? What are you putting them in?

It looks like most of them have a bar or "container" of some sort at the bottom

and then some have it at the top 🙂‍↔️

https://iconscout.com/icons/download has thousands of options

soem better than others

I think I actually prefer the sideways arrows going in and out of boxes

[south wedge]

A variant.

(import only)

[hybrid hatch]

I'm partial to this style: https://iconscout.com/icon-pack/arrows-set-icon-pack_278450

needs some tweaking to make it fit the game colors,

[south wedge]

I see a good candidate for importing, but not for exporting.

[hybrid hatch]

upload icons are on the bottom row, download on the top row,

export and import are next to each other

[south wedge]

These are imports.

[hybrid hatch]

or

[south wedge]

Ah, the blue color

[hybrid hatch]

They look a bit thin smaller:

[south wedge]

TB theme does't like coloring 🙁

[hybrid hatch]

no, the color would need to be the existing yellowish color

[south wedge]

How about this?

[hybrid hatch]

I'm mostly looking at the shapes

I think sharp straight edges look nicer

[south wedge]

Like what?

[hybrid hatch]

Like the above, just in the yellow of TB

[south wedge]

v3.4.0 (February 2nd, 2026):

• [Feature] The stock game "copy building settings" feature is now also copying the automation rules.
• [Feature] Rules can now be selectively enabled or disabled. The disabled rules stay on the building, but they won't be executed until enabled.
• [Feature] Rules order can now be changed via the rules editor dialog. Note that it doesn't affect the execution logic. It's a purely cosmetic function.
• [Feature] Added a template tool to enable/disdable all rules on the building(s).
• [Fix] Dynamite detonation doesn't work.

[south wedge]

I will try this options in the next versions. For now, I'm going to release "something" and go to sleep 🙂 See you, folks, tomorrow!

[hybrid hatch]

or if you need a 4x version

It's this, but filled in

nite

[south wedge]

Is it free? I like this link

[hybrid hatch]

Digital (non-print) License seems to be

ahh, no, for $15/month

I assume you can do 1 month only?

maybe not even "Per user / month, Billed annually"

Some from Material Symbols by Google Fonts (free use?)

You can also adjust the weight and size easily

https://icon-sets.iconify.design/?query=import also has some nice export/import/download/upload icons

it also has a stroke/color adjuster

"open source vector icons"

the ones I liked were from Material Design Icons by Pictogrammers (Apache 2.0)

[reef widget]

Options to pause individual rules?
That has only been requested... a few dozen times.

[cold orchid]

I must be blind but I don't see the option to pause the rules

there is an option but you need to click on the building, then click on the rules cog, then click on each rule

it would be great if the option was present in the building screen without having to open rules window

I have 4 badwater pumps, for example, and if I want to override all rules I need a total of 14 clicks before I override, and at the end of doing that I will probably need to unpause them all again 😄

[reef widget]

Doesn't exist YET.
We were discussing a feature in development.

[potent verge]

They said it's a template tool, check your automation tools

Which sounds like its better for that particular use than having to click on every building

[hybrid hatch]

yea, but it would be nice to have it easily available on the per-building panel too

[cold orchid]

oh thank you, I didn't think of looking there

since I've been using those little scripts I haven't touched the templates

I have to say, it is possible to automate the entire colony without having to do nothing but watch the beavers running around

the only thing needed is a surplus of workforce to avoid collapse when a few buildings kick in all together

I wish it was possible to assign a beaver to 2 diffewrent workplaces, so that when 1 closes down I can be sure the workers goes to the second place and nowhere else

[south wedge]

Folks, I'm in a process of thinking on the full Python support. So far, it's more a brainstorm to figure out what we may want. Not even a design. What scripts do you see? Obviously, these should be examples that cannot be done today with using the existing templates. I made this, based on some old convo about reacting on the recipe changes. Any more ideas and examples?

from igorz.automation.buildings import Inventory
from igorz.automation.buildings import DistrictBuilding
from igorz.automation.buildings import Pausable
from igorz.automation.buildings import Workplace
from igorz.automation.core import Signals

class MyBuilding(DistrictBuilding, Inventory, Pausable, Workplace):

  def __init__(self, **kwargs):
    super().__init__(**kwargs)
    self.init_recipes()

  @event("Weather.Season")
  def on_season_changed(self, value):
    if value == "DroughtWeather": self._pausable.Pause()
    else: self._pausable.Unpause()

  @event("Workshop.Recipe")
  def on_recipe_changed(self, value):
    self.init_recipes()

  def on_inventory_changed(self):
    has_input = True
    for good in self._inventory.InputGoods:
      if (self._inventory.AmountInStock(good) == 0
          and self._district_building.Signals.ResourceStock < self._district_building.Signals.ResourceCapacity * 0.1):
        has_input = False
        break
    if has_input: self._workplace.AssignWorkers(self._workplace.MaxWorkers)
    else: self._workplace.RemoveWorkers()

  def init_recipes(self):
    Signals.clear_listeners("recipe")
    for good in self._inventory.InputGoods:
      Signals.register_listener(f"Inventory.InputGood.{good}", self.on_inventory_changed, group: "recipe")

In theory, such approach even allows direct access to the game components methods. Which gives a great power... to destroy the game 🙂

[hybrid hatch]

heh, did think about trying to bundle IronPython or Python.NET in a mod 🙂

[south wedge]

I did consider this, but so far I'm not convinced it's worth it. I hate the game being loading for minutes.

[hybrid hatch]

yea, my assetbundle cacher saves ~15 seconds, but that's a small amount compared to the full load cycle

[south wedge]

What's the name of that mod?

[hybrid hatch]

large asset bundles (like factions) have load times of 7 or 8 seconds, caching them reduces it to fractions of a second

unpublished, but there's a dev version at: #🚀mod-users message

It's really just calling AssetBundle.RecompressAssetBundle and storing the result in a cache

So the cost is extra disk usage

[south wedge]

Today, it's not that a big cost.

[viscid eagle]

any way to make my loggers only unpause when theres both: no trees to plant OR 20 logs (max) in its output. heres what i have so far, but this just keeps unpausing them because there arent 20 logs inside and the output overrides the ready to plant:

i already tried using + like when you are trying to check for two outputs, but i dont know how to check for two different actions.

[reef widget]

AND / OR

[viscid eagle]

how do i write it?

where exactly do i put OR?

sorry im stupid

just had to write in lowercase

yep, works flawlessly now, thanks.

[viscid eagle]

ok no, it doesnt work...

they dont pause if they have 20/20 logs stored because theres still trees that can be cut down which overrides the pause.

any way i can make it so that:

if no trees are available to be cut then pause BUT if log output is 20/20 then override first and pause.

ofc also resume if there are available ones and if there arent 20/20 logs stored

[lost rover]

Use this script instead (via the import button). It (roughly) does what you want, but better (no dropped logs from gatherers).

condition:(eq (sig Collectable.Ready) 0)
action:(act Workplace.RemoveWorkers)

condition:(ne (sig Collectable.Ready) 0)
action:(act Workplace.SetWorkers 100)

condition:(eq (sig Inventory.OutputGood.Log) 2000)
action:(act Pausable.Pause)

condition:(lt (sig Inventory.OutputGood.Log) 400)
action:(act Pausable.Unpause)

[viscid eagle]

wtf... i didnt know the mod was that powerfull...

it can just set workplace slots to 0??

thanks btw

i wana wait a bit tough to see if it works or not, because i dont need logs rn and they are all paused.

gotta wait till i use some

[digital pebble]

This mod is incredible. I used to program so I can see all the potential it has.

[viscid eagle]

yea. i mostly only use it for things like setting buildings to pause if their output slot is full so they dont just waste labour.

the seasons stuff and population stuff are things i dont need, but im curios as to what you could do with that.

[digital pebble]

One thing missing is power. I would love to be able to include BP(hp) in my scripts.

[viscid eagle]

also, im curios if theres a way to set the "total stock of ... in settlemet" thing to make it active under the condition that there is for example:

i can store 80 planks but want my lumber mill to stop when it reaches 80, but i dont want to manualy adjust the stat everytime i add storage, any way to make it take the max stock and just take that as its number to stop?

[digital pebble]

There is global stock.

[viscid eagle]

yea... too advanced for me, i dont know what you mean by that but cool.

[viscid eagle]

leme check

theres only capacity and stock

[digital pebble]

horsepower. I'd love a reading of how much my power sources are making.

[viscid eagle]

so idk if you need to manualy script that part.

i only use constructors cuz the actual coding stuff is too advanced for me

[viscid eagle]

doesnt it tell you that in the first place?

do you mean like how much it makes in horsepower or if it displays how much power youre generating?

[digital pebble]

Ah. I see what you mean.

[digital pebble]

yes

[digital pebble]

Most of the time I do that as well.

[viscid eagle]

works perfectly, thanks.

tried it and it does what i wanted.

[viscid eagle]

yes to which one?

[digital pebble]

I would like to see both.

[reef widget]

Right up until the most recent experimental update, it was impossible to consider due to how power networks worked.

It might be possible now, but most of the time, smart power is just going to be the better option for that.

[viscid eagle]

but isnt the power already displayed in general? like even without mods?

[lost rover]

This script might do the trick. It aims for a ratio of 2:1 (logs:planks). If the ratio is too low (too many planks & too few logs), it releases the logs from the lumber mill (e.g. pick up by builders).

condition:(and (eq (sig Inventory.OutputGood.Plank) 1300) (ge (sig District.ResourceStock.Plank) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.Plank)))
action:(act Workplace.RemoveWorkers)

condition:(ge (sub (sig District.ResourceCapacity.Plank) (sig District.ResourceStock.Plank)) (sig Inventory.OutputGood.Plank))
action:(act Workplace.SetWorkers (getvalue Workplace.MaxWorkers))

condition:(and (le (sig District.ResourceStock.Log) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.Log)) (le (add (sig District.ResourceStock.Log) (sig Inventory.InputGood.Log)) (mul 200 (sig District.ResourceStock.Plank))))
action:(act Pausable.Pause)

condition:(or (gt (sig District.ResourceStock.Log) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.Log)) (ge (sub (add (sig District.ResourceStock.Log) (sig Inventory.InputGood.Log)) (mul 200 (sig District.ResourceStock.Plank))) 3900))
action:(act Pausable.Unpause)

[half lichen]

Hmm... am I doign something wrong?
I have a Lumber Mill separate from my main mills that just has a manual power wheel on it, and I'm trying to set it to only be active in Drought/Badtide weather, but it keeps also changing the weather state for the other Lumber Mills (which were set to only "Temperate" weather.

It seem changing one (any) of the lumber mill weather settings is causing it to change the settings for all of them?
Expected, or bug?

[viscid eagle]

youre a god-sent bro... thank you.

[viscid eagle]

are you using a string to send that info or are you checking for the season in the lumbermill itself?

[half lichen]

I'm actually an idiot, and it's from "Simple Workshop Control", not Automation - sorry! (Yes, I have both installed, I like some simple controls, but then also some more complex ones at times 🙂 )

[viscid eagle]

all good, no ones an idiot just because they make one mistake.

[half lichen]

Heh, I just feel silly "reporting" that here when it has nothing to do with this mod 🙂 All good tho

[hybrid hatch]

hmm, copying a breeding pod with rules to manage population ends up with the rule actions with a "parse error" for some reason

you still have to copy them using the rule copy tool

[lost rover]

I have observed this too. 👍

[hybrid hatch]

and not just breeding pods, seem to happen to other buildings too

another idea for breeding pods: to have a completion percentage measurement

btw, these observations coming from Disturbed's TIMBERPUNK II | Episode 5

[half lichen]

The Timberpunk map is awesome btw - altho I had started it on a semi-broken version of the map... I need to go back and re-try it on the latest release lol

[hybrid hatch]

another feature request: some sort of sound when applying a paste of rules to an item

[exotic hemlock]

I am crashing when trying to reorder items:

If I click the down arrow of the top item it works

[exotic hemlock]

Feature request: the copy rules button should be enabled when there are no rules, I want to copy that there are no rules instead of having to click "Clear all rules" on each building

[reef widget]

There's already a tool to select buildings to clear rules down on the bottom bar?

[exotic hemlock]

You are right. Maybe the icon should also be a trashcan and the tootiptext "Clear all rules" to be consistent

[south wedge]

Created a bug: https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/issues/136

[south wedge]

Created a bug: https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/issues/135

@viscid eagle When creating rules, you need to be careful when the same building property is changed from multiple rules. The rule of thumb: the conditions on such rules must be mutual exclusive. Otherwise, you will get unpredictable behavior when one rule sets the state to one value, and the other rule resets it back. You may see it as "the rule doesn't work", but in fact there will be two rules triggeried, which actions overwrite each other.

Good example: Pause/Unpause. E.g. here is an example of mutual exclusive rules (pseudo code):

if ReadyToCollect > 1 and LogStock < 10 then Unpause
if ReadyToCollect == 0 or LogStock >=10 then Pause

Btw, this pair of rules can be made via "Invert" button in UI. Create one rule, and the inverted version will be made for you.

If you have more than two rules affecting the same state, then the logic becomes more complex.

I start thinking that some tracking system is needed to detect such cases. I've been though it a couple of times too.

[exotic hemlock]

I just spent too much time trying to make a sluice open and close using contamination level until I realized the contamination I use is multiplied by 100. No idea if this is a bug or its maybe documented somewhere. Have been using water height with no problem.

Ignore the "using depth" with no problem, I did not use it anywhere.

Found it

[viscid eagle]

i already know that one overrides the other, i stated that in my messages, i just didnt know how to make one NOT override the other. thats what i was struggling with.

[south wedge]

v3.4.1 (PREVIEW started on Fabruary 11th, 2026):

• [Change] On the building copy (construction or settings), the automation rules are now copied only if the buildings are the same.
• [Fix] Automation scripts copying results in the script parsing error on the copied building.
• [Fix] When building copied structures in the finished state, and with some automation rules on them, could crash the game.

It's a PREVIEW. Barely tested, but seems working. The stable version will be later.

(pardon my English, I will polish it with AI later)

[south wedge]

Now, official.

v3.4.1 (February 12th, 2026):

• [Change] On the building copy (construction or settings), the automation rules are now copied only if the buildings are of the same type.
• [Fix #135] Game crash when trying reordering the rules #135.
• [Fix #136] Rule copying results in "parsing error" in the copied rules.
• [Fix] When placing a copied structure in finished state (dev mode), the game could crash.

[exotic hazel]

"ready for collection" on lumberjacks does not appear to include stumps with remaining logs
the instant the circled tree was cut down the lumberjack flag's worker count was set to zero so the remaining logs never get collected

Automation 3.4.0

I forced an update and the issue persists in Automation 3.4.1

[half lichen]

Yeah I noticed this, too. One of the other automation-like mods adds a delay (usually 2-5 in-game hours, user-adjustable) before pausing things like collectors to deal with this sort of thing. I'm not sure why that doesn't count as something "ready for collection" - I do know that if storage fills up before it's all collected, there will be stuff out to be picked up still, then you'd probably still want to pause until storage clears up, so there might be a weird edge case if you don't do something simple like just the several-hour delay?

[south wedge]

I have this bug in the backlog: https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/issues/130

Didn't have a chance to investigate yet.

[exotic hazel]

A delay wouldn't necessarily fix it as it's not counting the stump with logs as a resource to be collected

[half lichen]

Well, it "works" because it doesn't pause the lumberjack right away, it waits a couple hours, and so the beavers will finish cleaning things up for a little even after it hits "0" for ready for collection.

[exotic hazel]

With my luck the tree is always cut down as the work day finishes

[half lichen]

Heh, yeah, in that case, set the delay to 8 or 9 hours and you should be ok ... (well, assuming you only let them rest 8hrs 😉 )

[mortal lion]

Loving the automation mod. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to send a signal that has the in game time? If there isn't i'll gladly pay someone $20 to make it.

[south wedge]

There is a signal Debug.Ticker, which can be used if you wan to execute some logic in every tick. But you need to understand that running anything in every tick will have performance impact.

Or do you need more specific things like "time of the day", "working hours", etc.?

[south wedge]

What do you think?

[digital pebble]

Is there a way to change a farmhouse between plant and harvest? I didn't see anything in the constructor that would work for that.

[south wedge]

There is no such action for now. It can be added, for sure. Out of curiosity, which rules do you see for this? In my setups, I ended up building two buildings: one for gathering, one for planting. For planting, you usually need just one worker, and you can disable it when no spots for planting. The harvesting bulding almost always has work to do.

[digital pebble]

I am playing Lapan's Water Beavers mod, and they only get 1 worker in the farmhouses. Being able to switch in reaction to the season really would help.

Of course simply building more farms wouldn't work because each farm adds housing space for 3 more beavers and in that mod they breed to fill all avaliable housing. 😛

It is a cool, but wicked mod.

[south wedge]

Okay, I will think about it. I was going to revise the building "state" change approach anyway.

In my list, I have (had) at least 2 buildings: stockpile and sluice. Now we have farmhouse.

[digital pebble]

Many thanks for the consideration.

[exotic hazel]

seems like a logic error in the rule constructor for buildings under construction: they list every item's stock condition except for the ones relevant to that building

tapper's shack construction ghost does not have an option for pine resin (or maple syrup)

once construction is finished, pine resin is an option

[south wedge]

It's not a bug, more a compromise. If I will be showing all possible resources in the list, it will be hard to use constructor. So, I only show those for which the district has at least one inventory. When you build your first Tapper's Shack , there will be no resin in the output inventories until the construction is complete.

Btw, you still can go to the script mode and setup a rule from there.

[exotic hazel]

Oh that makes perfect sense, thanks for explaining

[deft tulip]

@south wedge CustomTool is crashing with white paws.

[digital pebble]

Same. Just started.

[deft tulip]

@south wedge the name of the platforms in whitepaws are different.
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Townstuff/Platforms/Platform_Simple.Whitepaws.blueprint", - 1 height
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Townstuff/Platforms/Platform_Tall.Whitepaws.blueprint",- 2 height
There is no 3-height platform.

[south wedge]

Wow! I wonder what's the name of the platforms for whitepaws

[south wedge]

That's a bammer. Seems like the convinince tools need to be reconsidered in favor of a specific faction.

I will fix it later today.

[deft tulip]

I have sent you the names in above.

[deft tulip]

Thanks.

[south wedge]

Well, this faction thing is not a good thing. Key bindings are not filtered by the faction suffix 🙁

[digital pebble]

Oh no.

I don't want to even contemplate late-game WhitePaws without your automation. /laughs

[south wedge]

I'm looking for a solution. So far, not many options.

[digital pebble]

Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

[deft tulip]

@south wedge Also I think levee and dam will also fail.
White paws have multiple levees and multiple dams.

"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/FloodgateDam.Whitepaws.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/Loglevee.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/Loglevee2.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x2.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x2upgrade.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x3.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x3upgrade.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x3Utility.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x3UtilityUpgrade.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x3variant.blueprint",
"Buildings/Whitepaws Faction/Dams/primitivedam3x3variantupgrade.blueprint",

It doesn't have a 1x1 dam.

and 2 levee
Loglevee- 1 height
Loglevee2 - 2 height

[south wedge]

I don't yet have good solution. Will try today eveng more, but then I;m going to vacation for 3 days. A workaround which you can do on your side, is dropping the bad tools blueprints:

Tool.CustomTools.LeveePlusTool.blueprint.json
Tool.CustomTools.PlatformPlusTool.blueprint.json

[reef widget]

I sure hope there isn't any mod-breaking updates then.

[digital pebble]

Thank you for this. I will enjoy having them back.

[digital pebble]

Aren't those scheduled for every other day? 😉

[digital pebble]

Verified that your workaround was good for me.

[south wedge]

v1.3.1 (2/20/2026)

• [Fix] The game crashes if the non-stock game factions are in play.

@digital pebble @deft tulip Folks, I did my best. The "bad tools" should not appear for non-stock factions anymore. If it still fails, you know the workaround 🙂 My anniversary vacation starts at 10AM next day, so - good luck You may see me online and even commenting, but no coding in the next 4 days

[digital pebble]

I do hope you have a most wonderful and memorable time. Enjoy.

And thank you very much.

[deft tulip]

Working with whitepaws. Yay. And happy anniversary. Enjoy your trip.

[deft tulip]

Any one knows what is wrong in this condition?

[reef widget]

What building are you trying to apply this to, and is there any storage for gears in the entire district (including factories producing our consuming them)?

[deft tulip]

Yes. And gear work shop.

[deft tulip]

See this.
Have storage for logs.
and this is Large Lumber Mill

[deft tulip]

This is lisp. I am trying pyton format.

Lisp works without any issue.

[south wedge]

Import/export dialogs only support Lisp.

The error about not applicable seems a bit odd, though. I'd expect a parsing error.

[west mountain]

If the documentation is not built into the mod, it's as if it doesn't exist.

[south wedge]

Does the middle button at the bottom count? Or how do you see integration?

[west mountain]

Does it open a link in the default browser, instead of opening the documentation in-game? Because if it's not inside the mod, it doesn't exist, for the users.

[south wedge]

How about AI, YT and the internet in general? Do they exist for the users if not built-in into the game? C'mon, it's not a serious talk. People don't read documentation not because it's "improperly built-in", but simply because a regular person is lazy. Myself included The only difference is when the person will finally go reading documentation on the confusing topic. Some will go sooner, some will go never. It's a personal choice.

[west mountain]

They exist in genera, but they don't exist in the game. And if I want to play the game, I play the game, I don't watch youtube tutorials unless I'm specifically not playing the game, or any other game, for that matter.

So unless someone builds a youtube player or an AI as a mod for the game, the AI and YT in general don't exist in the game.

And yes, people will read the documentation on confusing topic, but there are easier ways to solve the same issue, like complaining in the mod's comments, as I did before someone suggested I complain in the Timberborn server.

[south wedge]

Speaking about the easier ways. ChatGPT solved the case in 30 seconds. I spent more time to type the prompt. However, if Alt+Tab during playing Timberborn is not allowed, then this solution doesn't work

[west mountain]

Another issue I keep hitting is that Workplace.SetWorkers(0) doesn't work, so I have to rewrite it to Workplace.RemoveWorkers() every time, or duplicate, invert, edit script, copy, paste, save, discard the inverted-duplicated, and delete the inverted-duplicate.

[south wedge]

And please understand me correctly, I'm not saying the mod is perfect and no improvements needed I welcome all feedback, but not all feedback will result in code changes for various reasons. I'm just one dude working on the mod in my free time. No way everything will be addressed.

[west mountain]

Also, trying to use District.ResourceStock.WheatFlour < 15 or District.ResourceStock.Bread > District.ResourceCapacity.Bread * 0.995 , after saving, shows it as District.ResourceStock.WheatFlour < 15 or District.ResourceStock.Bread > District.ResourceCapacity.Bread * 1 , but that's merely annoying.

[west mountain]

I completely understand.

I'm just bringing suggestions I think are reasonable.

[south wedge]

Hmm, this one sounds like a real bug. I will check it.

[west mountain]

And I believe Workplace.SetWorkers(0) should be calling Workplace.RemoveWorkers() .

But editing the script will show the correct value.

[south wedge]

This is what you cannot know without reading docs. And I see no good way to express it in the UI. If you are lazy to read full docs, use AI!

[west mountain]

My guess is that you're rounding the value at 2 digits, instead of another number of digits, like 4. I think 4 digits should probably be enough, for most use-cases

[west mountain]

I know why it happens, it's just that it migth confuse other people, too, like it confused me until I clicked the Edit button. If you're going to edit the rounding, maybe future-proof-it by adding up to 8 digits, since 0.90 is already rounded to 0.9, so it mens the system showing the digits is automatically hiding the trailing zeroes.

So it won't add the extra zeroes, but adding the extra digits could make the script more usable even in the thousands-of-beavers territory.

[south wedge]

District.ResourceStock.Bread * 100 > District.ResourceCapacity.Bread * 99.5

Will solve your problem. And no, this is not going to change. The 2-digit fixed precision is the core of the scripting engine. It doesn't work with real numbers, only ints.

[west mountain]

Gocha.

[west mountain]

So no long-ints? Or unisgned ints? Or unsigned long ints?

After all, we cannot have negative water.

[south wedge]

All values are stored as signed ints. They are standard 32-bit. I can't image you would need 64-bit in the game

[west mountain]

Gocha. That's unfortunate, but understandable.

[south wedge]

And speaking about fixed precision, it becomes even more tricky on the long expressions. E.g. 1 / 3 * 3 = 0.99 and 3.07 / 2 * 2 = 3.08 I'm pretty sure AI will be able to explain it and suggest ways on how to avoid the rounding issue.

But, honestly, this rounding artefact should not affect the game. It's not the science calculation.

[west mountain]

Oh, I understand why. 🤣 I'm a programmer.

[worn hinge]

Oh it's beaver science that we mere humans will never understand:P

[south wedge]

ChatGPT explained it very clear. Much better than I could even try to 🤣 Btw, I spend extra efforts on making Wiki AI friendly. So, if you don't want to read the entire doc, at least try AI queries and report if it didn't work. This I will try to fix for sure (not AI, the Wiki).

[west mountain]

I already use the Stock > Capacity * 0.99 a lot.

But good point about the ratios.

Even thoguh I'd likely never use it, either.

[south wedge]

I tried to find a free AI API to attach to the game's dialog, but didn't find good options.

[west mountain]

Not sure there are free versions.

[west mountain]

Any chance you're going to add a signal for the power being transmitted?

[south wedge]

It's a long debating topic. Personally, I'm strongly against it. I've spent enough time trying to make automation a good management tool for power distribution. However, it's not working. You can create some very basic rules, but they will cover at most 10% of what you really need. To properly manage power, you need to consider all generators and consumers in the network. Optimizations at the level of a single building won't work on even a small colony.

And that's why I created SmartPower. It does everything that I would want to make via automation, except no coding and no lags. The power based signals would be triggering very frequently, in some cases - every tick. If you only need to read power from a building, the getvalue operator can help.

[reef widget]

Even if you did, I can't see it being anything but an adapter to bridge Automation and Smart Power.

[south wedge]

What is doable, is propagating some signals from SmartPower. Like "building was resumed/suspended". Not sure how helpful it is, but why not. However, I would avoid affecting decisions that SmartPower does. The logic there is already complicated.

[west mountain]

I understand.

[south wedge]

Btw, whoever posted the PR (this) - thank you, mate! I can be a douchebag in reviews (and I usually am - ask my colleagues ), but I value the effort. As a result, we will have new signals and actions!

It's very motivating when people actively involve

[west mountain]

Oh, there's a github for the mod? Noice!

[exotic hazel]

one bit of UI feedback: the arrows to move rules up and down suggest that order matters, i.e. that it will stop evaluating rules when one of them has its conditions met

[south wedge]

Always! The fun of making proprietary software I have at my work

[south wedge]

The order is only for the UI appearance. Tell me how I can express it in UI, and will do. The rules are event driven. They don't care how they are being shown on the screen.

[exotic hazel]

it's a difficult one, the only ideas I have are clunky things like a tooltip on the up/down buttons that says something like "Cosmetic only, rules are not evaluated in sequence"

[south wedge]

I was thinking about it. It would be useful when you use it the first time, but seeing it every time every day? Here I stopped guessing and just implemented it as-is 🙂

[exotic hazel]

I use conditional formatting in Excel every day at work so I am used to rules evaluating in order and being able to optionally stop evaluating when a condition is met

but with an event-driven system I can see how that would be a pain in the arse to implement

and I can use scripting instead of the constructor to produce the results I need

[west mountain]

Please check the pull requests again. You have two more. From me.

[exotic hazel]

That's why I'm not happy with it as a solution. I will keep thinking about it.

[south wedge]

Checkout my douchebag comments

[west mountain]

I replied to both of them.

I just happened to check my mails. 🤣

[south wedge]

It's always nice to see a person who can file PRs

[west mountain]

Not gonna lie, Github is kind of messy, for ease of contributing. We can't even quick-PR by editing a file in the repositories we cannot commit to, or even in repositories we can commit to.

[south wedge]

Copilot just suggested a comment to my new function (copy/paste as-is): "It's teh caller's responsibility to replace the old value". Do you see a problem? 🙂

[south wedge]

GitHub, honestly, is past century. Literally. But it still works fine for the open source.

Tbh, the best we have.

[west mountain]

Yup. Too bad there isn't a better alternative.

By the way, when are you going to update the mod, with those new changes I made PRs for? 🤣

Even if the constructor still uses the 30 instead of 0.3, for 30%.

[south wedge]

This weekend. I want to add a new thing to ValueDef - the UI type. In the script, all percentiles will be normalized values - not negotiable. However, in UI, we may want 1-100%.

[west mountain]

In that case, would it be possible to use floats with 4 digits? (I think I asked before, but I forgot the answer.)

[south wedge]

Not without a full rework of the engine, which I will likely not approve 🙂 Give me an example when you need more than 2 digits, and I bet I offer a solution how you can live with just 2.

[west mountain]

When you have 1000 beavers or obscene amounts of storage with 100 beavers, for droughts and badwater tides which last up to 100 days or more.

[south wedge]

Hmm. And the expression looks like... what?

Fixed precision is not a curse. It's just an obstacle. It's avoidable. Multiply all your inputs by 10, and then de-normalize - you've just improve the precision of your calculations by order of magnitude! Multiply by 100, and you'll be a hero.

Being a programmer, you likely know why 0.1 + 0.2 may not always be 0.3, right? That's why automation doesn't deal with floats. Only integers.

[west mountain]

when the storage of water is less than the capacity of water multiplied by 0.003, pause the building, applied to all the other buildings, maybe except a farmhouse or two.

[south wedge]

You can't multiply by 0.003. And you know why 🙂 Multuply the left argument, then you can get your precission.

[west mountain]

Or setting an extra pump to start when the water level is above 0.999 , meaning the dam is about to overflow.

Or a dam to open, to prevent overflowing.'

[south wedge]

The game doesn't have anything beyond second digit after the period. So the script does. If you ever need to use more precision, the Math can help.

[south wedge]

It's a very artificial example. Nowhere in the game you can see a third digit after the point.

[west mountain]

Oh, I see. That's unfortunate, then.

[south wedge]

Why? Multiply your left argument by 1,000,000 and you'll get (almost) infinite precision. The Math!

Fixed precision only limits what you can put AFTER the point. However, you can move the point as you wish.

a / b < 0.001 - BAD!
1000 * a / b < 1 - GOOD!

Even AI knows it

[south wedge]

If you didn't know, AI - is the new reality on the job market. Many IT related people will loose their job in the following 2 years. Which is sad.

However, the smart people say: "It will not be AI that takes the jobs out. It will be people, who know how to use AI in their job positions."

So, learn!

[west mountain]

There are not enough good free online AI and local AI with github integration and local-files integration, at least that I know of.

Also, I sent you a DM/PM.

[south wedge]

Agree. But my statement was in general. If you're looking for a job in IT, you have to know how to use AI. Like it or not.

[west mountain]

True.

[south wedge]

In my every day duty, I found AI useful for the routine tasks. In can start 2-4 tasks in background, and focus on one very human task (lol). It really speeds up the work. On the other hand, we don't need many programmers now

[west mountain]

Unfortunately, the lack of easy-to-use-and-set-up integration of both online AI and local AI, to popular online services as well as local files, is the thing holding AI back.

Also, I sent you a DM/PM on Discord.

I mean, using LM Studio is not bad, but it's also not as simple as pressing a button to give the current chat the context of a whole folder and all in it, from my (limited) experience so far.

[south wedge]

I will check right now. But just FYI, I'm present on the Discord servers where private messages need a prior approval in the public channel

[west mountain]

Oh, I understand. My bad.

Feel free to ignore it, if you want.

[south wedge]

Don't ask. I was neartly banned for asking

[south wedge]

No no. Sorry.

I din't mean you can't do it 🙂

DO IT

[west mountain]

My experience so far was that it's okay to send messages once, but not to insist if there was no reply or if asked to not DM again. But I might be one of the lucky ones. 🤣

[south wedge]

That's my stand also. Send a DM if you have a question. If the peer doesn't want to reply, they won't. Right? Not on every server, lol

[west mountain]

Which is unfortunate.

[south wedge]

When I was pointed out that I can't to DM people if they didn't agree in the public chat. I was surprised. To say the least.

But you all probably know the Discords rules by now. Every server, or even channel, is it's own world. With its own rules.

[west mountain]

Which is very annoying.

The lack of standardization is very annoying.

[west mountain]

Could you add a signal for the progress of each building's production? For example, if I want the breeding pods to stop at 99%, or the mulber production, or something else.

That would be very useful.

[west mountain]

Also, the rule preview doesn't show the paranthesis. But that's not an issue, since in script-editing mode, it can be seen.

[west mountain]

@south wedge Can you guess what's wrong with this code?

if 
(Collectable.Ready > 0 and (District.ResourceStock.Berries < District.ResourceCapacity.Berries * 0.8 or District.ResourceStock.MangroveFruit < District.ResourceCapacity.MangroveFruit * 0.8) )
then Workplace.SetWorkers(1)

That's right! I have the berry storage full and berries ready to collect, but since I added the condition for mangroove storage, it keeps the job populated.

Is there a way to check what kind of collectable is ready? For exmple, Collectable.Berries.Ready and Collectable.MangroveFruit.Ready and Collectable.Carrots.Ready.

[south wedge]

For breeding pods not yet feasible. The progress there is not ticking (as it happens for the construction progress), it's a timer that triggers when the breeding time elapses. I haven found a good way to track it without running a check on every tick. And, honestly, freezing pods at 99% seems a bid of cheating. I'd design this component so that it resets all the progress if paused or didn't have nutrients for too long time.

[west mountain]

I get you, but it's how it currently works, so it works as intended.

Lots of people basically have a small army of beavers ready to spawn, just in case.

[south wedge]

I was considering it when implementing the feature. Can't recall now why I decided not to gather stats per good type. I'll give it another try when is done with the other stuff. Btw, there is a simple workaround here: setup two gathering posts. Yes, it will eat extra space and sometimes consume more beavers, but in general it works fine.

In my plays, in the early game, I usually use gathering posts as "free" storages. They gather stuff until overflow, then stop. Once the initial stage passed, only few get activated at time.

[west mountain]

Thanks!

[west mountain]

But even that doesn't work, because there is something to gather by that building, even if it's not the preferred thing or the one used in the if-statements.

[south wedge]

Hmm True.

[west mountain]

Same story for farmhouses.

[south wedge]

Sounds like I need to give it a second thought

[south wedge]

@west mountain

Not exactly addressing your issue, but at least the error reporting is now better

I wish I can express how I *REALLY * hate floats Btw, it's the reason why Automation only works with integers.

0.99 may or may not be equal to 0.99. Sounds weird? Welcome to my world.

[serene urchin]

#📢announcements message 🤯

[south wedge]

It's 0013 in my time now, so sorry - I will get the most of fun tomorrow 🙂

[half lichen]

oh wow

[hard dust]

That's a big compliment 🙂

[tiny badger]

2 lines of simple code... or an 8 x 2 construction on the map 🤔 noting I maybe suck at trying to construct with this logic vs writing code as I haven't done basic logic like this in 20 odd years.

[deft tulip]

I would prefer this automation over games automation.
Igor's automation I can have scripts saved and copy paste everything. With the game's default way it would be manually building the same logic every time.

[tiny badger]

Yeah me too, Igor's current automation also offers a lot more flexibility. I also think the average person will struggle a lot more with the logic required to do things in game. It took me a while to work out the really basic rules I used to run all my buildings and it take 7 blocks and use of the memory module so at least mid game resources.

[serene urchin]

but may allow this mod to get good triggers for information 😉

[reef widget]

In particular, this mod could never trigger on science or rate of production before, and it had no good way to get a direct user input (i.e. levers)

[south wedge]

Just now got a chance to read the announcement. Well, it's a really nice addition. Need to check the code to see how to integrate. Scripts+game automated buildings can be a good pair.

[south wedge]

And we probably need to think about renaming the mod. Now, the used to be plain and clear name "Automation" is confusing. Ideas?

[reef widget]

I would go for something like "Extended Automation."

[somber dagger]

Or "Auto Automation" hehe 🙂

[half lichen]

+1 for "Extended Automation"

[digital pebble]

The game's new automation is very ONI-like. I will use it, but I will definitely still use this mod.

[exotic hazel]

keep the name "Automation"
you had it first

[tiny badger]

'Real automation'

One of my saves i dont plan to open until we have real automation back:)

[reef spire]

To honour the terminology established by Knatte_Anka it should be Automation Extention 😀

[left patio]

Imo, extended automation implies that it's going to make use of the new automation buildings for implementation, which I hope isn't the case.

I hope that it functions like it did before, with perhaps a few new inputs to fetch.

[serene urchin]

even more guys will then complain that its missspelled 😛

[south wedge]

"More Automation"?

The original idea of this mod grew form the IFTTT concept. From the technical standpoint, it could be "IFTTT Automation", which would describe exactly what this mod does. However, I doubt many people can even spell IFTTT correctly, not to mention understand it 🤣

[reef widget]

It would also help if it wasn't an abbreviation.

[exotic hazel]

Automasion Extension

[south wedge]

Another update has just been released

I had a feeling that rushing to the fix may not be the best strategy

[exotic hazel]

even if nothing else, I need the chained construction tool

forget the beavers getting injured in the explosives factory, I am taking psychic damage from how painful it is making underground power networks without this mod

[south wedge]

One of my favorite too 🙂

[lime python]

Beavers and bots, too, mainly when laying dynamite 🧨

[reef widget]

I've decided that the detonator is proof that they looked at things this mod was commonly used to do when deciding about what to add for automation.

People are complaining that it makes no sense, but clearly it's perfectly logical.

[south wedge]

FYI. The reason why there is no v11 compatible version so far is NOT because it's hard to fix. It was done yesterday, actually. The problem was that this version update caught me with my pants down. I made massive changes to the v1.0 branch with regard to UI constructor. Hoping I'll sort it out in the following week Now, I just can't commit a big batch of incomplete code, even though it seems working. Call it a professional deformation

If anyone is interested in a version that loads and hopefully works - let me know. You'll get it

[south wedge]

I was chatting with AI with not much expectations (I'm an old skeptic), and suddenly! What do you think?

💡 Idea: Goal-Driven Automation

Right now automation usually works like this:

condition → action

or in vanilla automation something like:

sensor → logic → building

But there could be another layer on top:
Goals.
Instead of writing rules, the player defines what they want the colony to maintain.

Example

Player defines a goal:

Goal: Keep food ≥ 300
Priority: High

Automation then manages the system:

• enables/disables farms
• pauses mills or bakeries
• reacts to resource shortages

Another example

Goal: Maintain power surplus ≥ 200

Automation could:

• pause low-priority buildings
• enable backup generators
• balance batteries and consumers

Another one

Goal: Keep water tanks ≥ 70%

Automation could:

• enable pumps
• control floodgates
• manage water distribution

[exotic hazel]

I'm not enthused

it seems like a great idea but when you think about how it would work it's just "if stock > x then pause"

and every player's setup is going to be at least slightly different

[south wedge]

A somehow working version, in case you like get you game crashed What's there:

v3.5.0 (started on February 27th, 2026):

• [Feature #128] New signal Workplace.AssignedWorkers to track the number of workers assigned to the workplace.
• [Feature] New action Workplace.SetPriority to set the workplace priority.
• [Change] Update to game v1.0.11.
• [Change] No more automation tools in the map editor.
• [Change] Don't format percentile values of exported signals. Show them as-is: the normalized float values.

[exotic hazel]

for instance I had three conditions on my water pump:

• if water intake level < 0.05 then set workers to zero
• else if water < [max stock - 100] then set workers to 3
• else set workers to 1

[south wedge]

(the changelog doesn't cover all the features. there are many uncommitted changes 🤣 )

[south wedge]

That approach will definitely not work for the advanced players. But can it work for a regular player?

[exotic hazel]

I think you should push the regular player to work things out instead of just saying "do it for me"

the rule construction system you have is quite good

although it does only seem to allow numbers for the second parameter

if I wanted to do stock >= capacity I had to use the script editor instead

honestly if anything your mod with the rule constructor is simpler than the automation engine added to the base game

[south wedge]

I really invest into it. But I can't express how I hate it 🙂 Coding UI in Unity - it's like BDSM, except you're the victim

[exotic hazel]

masochism

perhaps you need a coding buddy
https://youtu.be/yYirhd2_YeI

[south wedge]

I have three cats. They learned how to say meow, but it's not helping in the mod development 🙁

Anyway, I'm signing off for today (tonight). See you, folks.

[exotic hazel]

night night

I'm going to play for a couple of hours then go to bed for the night too

[south wedge]

Does the priority coloring (green) confuse or is it fine? It's a pure cosmetics. Maybe not a green color to highlight? The idea is to distinguish the priority setting from the text.

May be white?

[reef spire]

Would it be possible to give the text the five corresponding priority arrows colours?

[south wedge]

Unfortunately, no. The text is assumed to be a constant.

Basically, the localization file.

IgorZ.Automation.Scriptable.Workplace.Action.SetPriority,"worker priority: <GreenHighlight>{0}</GreenHighlight>","Name of the action that sets the workplace priority level"

Like this.

The color can be anything, not required to be "green".

[exotic hazel]

I kind of like the value/content of the action being green if the condition is met

eg in this case "remove" would be green

but if the ready for collection > 0 condition was met, then "assign 1" would be green

[south wedge]

The green color only applies to the conditions (they have state). Actions are always statically colored. Usually, yellow.

[exotic hazel]

in that case have the value/content of the action in yellow and the rest in white

[reef spire]

Making the colour part of the variable {0} in the script?

[exotic hazel]

or leave it the way it is

[south wedge]

Hmm, the usual content of the action is YELLOW (it's a default). Are you suggesting to go to WHITE?

[exotic hazel]

white/grey, same as "if" and "then"

[south wedge]

Not possible, sorry.

[exotic hazel]

"remove" or "assign 1" in yellow and "workers" in default colour (grey/white)

[south wedge]

Still, not sure if I get it. The only default color is YELLOW. It's how the regular content is shown. For some static strings we can override the color.

Override statically. No way to apply any condition.

E.g. the "detonate dynamiate" template has some color schema. But it's static.

[exotic hazel]

idk, just a thought

[south wedge]

The gray color is reserved for the "information". Like "if" or "then", or anything else, which is not the rule.

Yellow as the way to distinguish rules from the service text.

[reef spire]

Using a lighter yellow, e.g. 30% for the "Normal"?

[south wedge]

Going to sleep now. Sorry, folks, I was trying to make a release today. It didn't happen

In case of you're brave enough to use the untested versions 🙂

[deft tulip]

@south wedge Is there any way to know the max worker of a building.
I am writing a script for all building and I don't want to have a static value for every building.

Example:
condition:(lt (sig Inventory.InputGood.TreatedPlank) 1000)
action:(act Workplace.SetWorkers 1000)

Instead SetWorkers 1000 can I use anything that is dynamic and will set the maxworker of that building?

Got it (act Workplace.SetWorkers {% (getvalue Workplace.MaxWorkers) %}) works. 👍
Should have read wiki more thoroughly. 😂

[deft tulip]

@south wedge Importing rules crashes the game.
;;;;ScrapMetal (TreatedPlank -> ScrapMetal)
condition:(or (lt (sig District.ResourceStock.TreatedPlank) 20000) (ge (div (sig District.ResourceStock.ScrapMetal) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.ScrapMetal)) 90))
action:(act Workplace.RemoveWorkers)

condition:(and (ge (sig District.ResourceStock.TreatedPlank) 20000) (lt (div (sig District.ResourceStock.ScrapMetal) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.ScrapMetal)) 90))
action:(act Workplace.SetWorkers {% (getvalue Workplace.MaxWorkers) %})

[south wedge]

Automation is not compatible with game 1.0.12. You can use the preview version above or wait for the release.

To be more specific, the district signals are broken. If you don;t use them, you should be fine.

[deft tulip]

This also crashes.

;;;;ScrapMetal (TreatedPlank -> ScrapMetal)
condition:(or (lt (sig District.ResourceStock.TreatedPlank) 20000) (ge (div (sig District.ResourceStock.ScrapMetal) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.ScrapMetal)) 90))
action:(act Workplace.RemoveWorkers)

condition:(and (ge (sig District.ResourceStock.TreatedPlank) 20000) (lt (div (sig District.ResourceStock.ScrapMetal) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.ScrapMetal)) 90))
action:(act Workplace.SetWorkers {% (getvalue Workplace.MaxWorkers) %})

[south wedge]

Anything that uses district resource signals will be crashing.

[deft tulip]

Hmm. Most of my rules uses that. Will wait for the fix then. No problem. 👍

[south wedge]

I'll try to post the release today night.

Or maybe even sooner.

[half lichen]

After having played with the new built-in Automation for the last several days, I am almost certainly going to want to still have the flexibility that the Automation Mod provides.

Trying to set up "only turn on when you need stuff and have adequate input" is a headache to manage, and I cannot easily have different thresholds for different buildings without building a separate sensor for each one(!)

(among other things)

[south wedge]

v3.5.0 (March 7th, 2026):

• [Feature #128] New signal Workplace.AssignedWorkers to track the number of workers assigned to the workplace.
• [Feature] New action Workplace.SetPriority to set the workplace priority.
• [Feature] Big improvements to the rules UI consistency. Now, the numbers in the rule editor match the rule's description.
• [Feature] Show the expected number format in the constructor: whole, decimals, percent. And verify the value.
• [Feature] In the rules editor, give more verbose hints on the values of signals and action arguments.
• [Feature] Fully refactor the runtime script value verification. Now, it's fast and reliable. Don't disable it (you can, via the settings)!
• [Change] Update to game v1.0.11.
• [Change] Update the mod icons to make them more game compliant. And consistent!
• [Change] No more automation tools in the map editor.
• [Change] Don't format percentile values of exported signals. Show them as-is: the normalized float values.

I made it. Those game version changes can make a twist in the regular release schedule 🙂

[deft tulip]

1.0.12 Is not supported right? It's still crashing for above rule.

[south wedge]

My bad. It supposed to be 1.0.12

The very current version of the game is supposed to be supported.

(it's 1.0.12 as of my clock)

Anyway, just run it and give it a try

[deft tulip]

@south wedge
Using 3.5.0 But still crashes.
Rule:
;;;;ScrapMetal (TreatedPlank -> ScrapMetal)
condition:(or (lt (sig District.ResourceStock.TreatedPlank) 20000) (ge (div (sig District.ResourceStock.ScrapMetal) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.ScrapMetal)) 90))
action:(act Workplace.RemoveWorkers)

condition:(and (ge (sig District.ResourceStock.TreatedPlank) 20000) (lt (div (sig District.ResourceStock.ScrapMetal) (sig District.ResourceCapacity.ScrapMetal)) 90))
action:(act Workplace.SetWorkers {% (getvalue Workplace.MaxWorkers) %})

[south wedge]

This is something different I will check it tomorrow.

[deft tulip]

Okay. 🙂

[south wedge]

I just gave it try, and it crashed Indeed, it's a problem.

https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/issues/143

Good day/night folks. I'm out 🙂

[deft tulip]

Good night. ✌️

[reef spire]

Crash clicking a building with already established rules, concerning versions 3.5.0 release on mod io and preview2. The first preview version is fine in this scenario.

[south wedge]

v3.5.1 (March 7th, 2026):

• [Fix #143] Game crashes when importing rules.

@deft tulip @reef spire

[exotic hazel]

what does this mean in the mod settings?

if I leave it unchecked does it evaluate the wrong value?

[half lichen]

Maybe it means "right-hand-side" of a condition? (like, eval the RHS in case there are variables, etc?) I dunno, just a guess

[exotic hazel]

yeah I assume it means RHS but I can't work out what the intended effect is

[south wedge]

The right argument in the conditions can be shown as a calculated value or as an expression (if it's an expression). Different people prefer different approaches.

[exotic hazel]

ah, got it, thanks

[deft tulip]

It works now. 🥳🥳

[exotic hazel]

Is there any way to read a vanilla automation signal, eg the value of a switch or relay?

[south wedge]

Not yet. It's in the plans, but I haven't even started working on it.

However, some automation values can be accessible via getvalue

E.g. the lever building has property IsOn, which makes it possible to read it via:

getvalue("Lever.IsOn")

But it won;t be a signal. I.e. you won;t get updates if the value changed.

[exotic hazel]

I can't use ⁨Signals.Set("MySwitchSignal", getvalue("Lever.IsOn"))⁩?

[south wedge]

You can. But you would need some reliable signal in the condition.

E.g. you can't do this: if getvalue("Lever.IsOn") == 1 then ....action...

But you can add any signal to condition and it will work.. at some extent.

E.g.

if Debug.Ticker > 0 and getvalue("Lever.IsOn") == 1
then Debug.Log("Lever is ON")

if Debug.Ticker > 0 and getvalue("Lever.IsOn") == 0
then Debug.Log("Lever is OFF")

It will work, but the rules will be executed every tick.

Lever.IsOn in some form will become a signal in the future.

Just found this in the new Timberborn code:

public static float RoundToPrecision(float value, float precision)
{
    return Mathf.Round(value / precision) * precision;
}

It's an explanation why automation doesn't use real numbers and has fixed precision.

Internally, the Automation engine works with integer numbers, so no need to round and suffer from the rounding issues.

[south wedge]

Btw, when you calculate resource ratio you use formula: stock / capacity < 0.9. You can easily get division by zero here, if the stock in question has no inventories in the district. The safe variant is: stock < capacity * 0.9

[deft tulip]

Ohh. Yeah. I got them. It doesn't crash though. If I build my storage, then it goes away.
Anway will update my scripts. Thanks for the suggestion.

[south wedge]

Lol. I was going to give you an example of failing condition and... found out it doesn't happen Now, it's me who needs explanations. My district doesn't have scrap metal, but your rule for it isn't crashing

[deft tulip]

Huh. Right, something changed. Previously I used to get division by zero error in the rules tab. Now it doesn't show.
Probably it's changed because of how the storage is calculated now in game.

[south wedge]

Anyway, here is the demonstration of how the "evaluate the right value in condition" settings work. @exotic hazel

[south wedge]

It seems so. I'm using the stock components for the stats. They used to not return resource you don't have in the district.

Just checked it. Apparently, the game devs had my problem 🙂 And they solved it this way.

[deft tulip]

Yeah, now they do because they probably include input and output of a building.

[south wedge]

That being said, disregard my comment about division by zero. However, if you use "evaluate right argument" setting, you better use the new form. It will be more compact and will give more data.

[deft tulip]

Yeah, changed all of my rules now.

[south wedge]

Mamma mia! Even I don't have that big file for import

[deft tulip]

All thanks to claude opus 4.6. 😂

[south wedge]

Okay, the mod is not failing anymore. Time to go to expedition (33).

[tiny badger]

Thank you for getting this updated. really apprecaite the time you put in to this mod.

[deft tulip]

@south wedge This gives error
(ge (sig District.ResourceStock.Kimchi) (mul 85 (sig District.ResourceCapacity.Kimchi)))
Something is happening when calculating (mul 85 (sig District.ResourceCapacity.Kimchi))
mul 80 amd 100 works in the same condition.

ResourceCapacity = 625

[south wedge]

This is strange. The district signals are only checked for the minimum value - it should not be less than 0. I can't see how it can happen in your condition. What does the log say? You may need to enable vebrose logging for the mod.

Ah, wait a minute. I managed to reproduce it. It triggers when the value checking is enabled.

IgorZ.Automation.ScriptingEngine.Core.ScriptError+ValueOutOfRange: Value must be an integer, found: 25.50
  at IgorZ.Automation.ScriptingEngine.ScriptableComponents.ValueDef+<>c__DisplayClass31_0.<RangeCheckValidatorInt>b__0 (IgorZ.Automation.ScriptingEngine.Expressions.ScriptValue value) [0x0014c] in R:\TimberbornMods\Automation\ScriptingEngine\ScriptableComponents\ValueDef.cs:118 
  at IgorZ.Automation.ScriptingEngine.Expressions.ComparisonOperator+<>c__DisplayClass14_0.<.ctor>b__0 () [0x00007] in R:\TimberbornMods\Automation\ScriptingEngine\Expressions\ComparisonOperator.cs:109 
  at IgorZ.Automation.ScriptingEngineUI.RuleRow.GetDescription (IgorZ.Automation.ScriptingEngine.Expressions.IExpression expression) [0x00027] in R:\TimberbornMods\Automation\ScriptingEngineUI\RuleRow.cs:374 

So, the signal value is integer (as per definition), but the formula gives a decimal. I think teh display number format should not be checked when validationg values. Will be fixed in the next release. In the meanwhile, either disable value checking or round the value.

[south wedge]

Ok, I removed most of the runtime checks, but kept the percentile one. To let lazy people know that when you do scripting, the values can have format that is not expected by a regular human

Let me know, folks, if you have better ideas how to educate users who want to start writing scripts, but don't want to spend time reading docs. It's not a sarcasm. Really: how the UI can be improved for this purpose?

[south wedge]

Regardless to the mod, but just out of curiosity. Did you, folks, know that many modern language frameworks round value 2.5 to 2, and value 3.5 to 4? Any guesses why?

(one more reason for this mod to work in integers)

v3.5.2 (March 8th, 2026):

• [Change] Many runtime value validations were removed. They were not helping, but only adding frustration.
• [Change] Show the fractional part of the values when comparing against as signal that can only return a whole number. The math expressions can produce a decimal value, so its worth knowing it's actual value.
• [Change] Many small "changes here and there" to improve the rules UI behavior.
• [Fix] In the value checking mode, some valid expressions were marked as "bad value".
• [Fix] Disabling a rule in the rules editor doesn't mark it as disabled (grayed out).

@deft tulip

[reef widget]

As matter of fact, yes.
The reason is actually outside programming, and has to do with statistics.
If you always round a value ending in 0.5 up, it artificially inflates the average when rounding.

So the statisticians went and convinced the computer programmers to make it alternate based on whether the preceding digit is even or odd. Even rounds down, odd rounds up.

[south wedge]

In the end, it's all about money 😂

That being said, don't complain about the mod's fixed precision math having issues

[south wedge]

FYI, the statistics argument was minor here. If we have a program that favors 0.5, so what? The real problem comes when you make software for something that counts money. E.g. a bank software. Or a slot machine, for what it's worth.

That being said, if you see Automation making weird math, blame the capitalists

[hybrid hatch]

D/S: "sometimes [automation] doesn't like * 0.95, so I have to use * 0.9", ref: https://youtu.be/azgDrVZL1GM?si=hqc4AsKuGaXybUWz&t=2465

[south wedge]

Yeah, that was fixed in 3.5.2.

[timber portal]

I haven't been playing experimental (or, in fact, at all for some time now), how do the 1.0 automation features compare to this mod in terms of functionality? I'd be shocked if they have scripting, so I figure this mod will still have a place, but I'd bet a lot of the simpler use cases can now be done in vanilla?

[reef widget]

They offer about 80% of what this mod does, plus some additions (like monitoring science) that it doesn't offer, but most of what is missing is fine control (like shutting down a building without removing its contents).

[timber portal]

do you plan on making any changes to this mod given the new vanilla functionality?

[south wedge]

Yes. I plan to support vanilla signals in both ways: listening and triggering. I don't see any other things. Maybe some of the new signals (like science) will have own implementation in the mod, but not sure how useful it will be.

[reef widget]

Science won't matter much for Folktails, but It could be extremely valuable for Iron Teeth players.

[last quiver]

@south wedge Is there a signal to capture the number of unemployed beavers? Or even better, a list of all the available signals and actions? The "Some useful components and their properties" section on your Automation wiki made me wonder if there are things available that weren't specified in the document.
I'd also like to thank you for the work you've done on this mod. It's made the game even more fun for me to play!

[south wedge]

For the unemployed beavers there was a PR made by one of the contributors. However, it was for the 0.7 version of the game 🙁 I keep this functionality in mind, but so far it's not supported.

As for the full list of signals and actions, the best place is Wiki: https://github.com/ihsoft/TimberbornMods/wiki/Automation-(scripting). It's not always up to date, but I try to update it with the new stuff as it get released.

[reef widget]

Unemployed beavers is something you'll be able to pick up off of the base game automation signals.

[south wedge]

I just updated Wiki to v3.5.2. Now, it's up to date.

[south wedge]

Btw, many things can be done via Debug.Ticker. This signal triggers every tick, so you can use getvalue operator to fetch whatever you want (and know about ).

In v1.0 they made DistrictEmploymentStatisticsProvider which returns all the data out of the box. One day, I will make a signal on the district center, which will be exporting those values: EmployedWorkers + Vacancies. The reason why I didn't make it from the beginning was that the stats could only be obtained by scanning the whole district on every tick. Now, the game does it and caches the stats. Even though it's being updated in every ticks, it's not me who does it, so no blames if it's slow

[south wedge]

It took less than one year to implement multi-argument support, lol. I created the rule editor on March 7th, 2025

Snap! Actually, more than a year It's 03/13 today.

[south wedge]

v3.6.0 (March 13th, 2026):

• [Feature] Allow configuring action Signals.Set via UI.

Folks, from now on I'm dropping the support of v0.7. The packages will not have that version anymore. v3.6.0 is the last one that has the legacy support.

[hybrid hatch]

Feature Request: A way to trigger automation (like fireworks) based on new highest wellbeing.

The "new higest" might be encodable as rules, and could also be used for "new highest" goods storage (like water, or food)

but the wellbeing would need to be a signal like season is

(or science would be?)

[south wedge]

Seems doable. However, there will be an unavoidable effect: the fireworks will trigger on every rule save. It's because the rule state is sync'ed on save, andt here is no "previous value" to compare with.

[hybrid hatch]

for wellbeing, the previous max is saved, so might be avoidable,

for science, and goods, hmmm

isn't current signal value stored on save?

[south wedge]

It's saved by the game, but not by the automation engine. Every fresh rule needs to initialize. Imagine it's not fireworks, but a floodgate. You need to set the height based on teh current value. Then, you adjust it based on the changes.

[south wedge]

Only custom signals are saved, but it's irrelevant to the problem. When a new rule is created, it doesn't have state. To make it, the engine checks the current signal value and executes the rule if the condition met.

[hybrid hatch]

yea, I would have done it with a few rules:

• if current > saved_max: trigger logic
• if current > saved_max: set saved_max to current

(probably need something to reset the trigger too)

[south wedge]

Hmm, this way it may work. But you would need to set it up manually. Out of the box it will trigger firewors always.

[hybrid hatch]

yes

[exotic hazel]

I think this should be a suggestion for the base game

[reef spire]

Regarding inventory automation, would it be possible to implement Inventory.StartSending() alongside Inventory.StartEmptying(), so only haulers and not the whole colony are starting delivering from this storage? Could use it on my current playthrough. For the fourth in-game state Inventory.StartReceiving() I hadn't yet the need for automation in any playthrough.

[south wedge]

IIRC, the "supply" feature of the inventory is not about who deliver, it's about the overall delivery logic. The mod doesn't implement own delivery logic. The supply/receive options can be addded, but they won't do what you've described.

[south wedge]

Something I wanted to convert to a script action for long time!

[serene urchin]

@south wedge you still have timberapi as req mod for automation and its causing confusion

[south wedge]

Updated! Thanks for pointing out.

[serene urchin]

Np 🙂

[south wedge]

A preview for the brave ones. It has some features, but I will not post the full list until the final version 🙂

"Smart Automation" - out of the poll idea

[exotic hazel]

or Smart Scripts

[south wedge]

Detecting script loops when you're in two worlds (the stock and mod automation) is a nightmare It's what stops the v4 release for now.

condition:(eq (sig Automator.State) 100)
action:(act Lever.SetState 'off')

condition:(eq (sig Automator.State) 0)
action:(act Lever.SetState 'on')

Kills the game. And catching it is not that a trivial task.

[south wedge]

So, I ended up with a full re-implementation of the error handling system. Expect to see more errors in V4, even though it sounds a bit contradictory

[west mountain]

Any idea why this doesn't work as intended? It eitehr keeps raisin the gate, or it keeps lowering the gate.

Nevermind, I figured it out.

The > and < signs in the IF statement had to be swapped. 🤣

OR the + and - in the THEN statement had to be swapped. 🤣

This does create waves, but it's better than without it.

Would be interesting if there was an option to set the frequency at which a structure's rules get applied. Or a global one, at least. That way, we could reduce the amount of processing done, by running the queue of IF-THEN statements less frequently.

[south wedge]

You can reduce waves effect by adding hysteresis. E.g. close the gate at below 0.7 and open at above 0.8.

In your current setup, you try to keep the level at exact value 0.8, which is barely possible. Thus, the gate height is constantly changing.

[west mountain]

I know, I did that after taking the screenshot. And the water meter is some 6-7 blocks away from where the water lands, and that also reduces the wave effect.

But it still ends up in some sort of constructive interference, sometimes, making the waves larger and larger, until I manually reset it.

[south wedge]

And I see you change the height relatively to the current height. That's a dangerous approach. I'd use a constant height.

[exotic hazel]

you shouldn't bind yourself to polls

for instance that name manages to combine being over-long with being incredibly generic

the feature that makes your mod stand out from the base game's new automation features is the scripts, so the name of the mod should probably make reference to that

hell, even just "Scripting" would work as a name

"Script Doctor" if you want to be cute

[reef spire]

Version 4.0.0preview1
Seems to me sensors 2 and 3 got the same ID (I assume automation signal (#) should be unique). So for the rules the query for sensor3 gets the value from sensor2.

[south wedge]

"Automation signal" is the best string I managed to find for the term "This building current stock automation signal." One of the ideas was to use the name of the signal from the buildings, but didn't try it yet.

[south wedge]

Tbh, I like the idea of having word "automation" in the name. When people browsing the mods, the expect the name to answer the question "what does it do?" The main idea of the mod is automation, so it gives a lot of context for a new player.

[exotic hemlock]

Suggestion: Edit the name of this post to "Automation (Mod)" at least until you change the name of the mod? I just posted here by mistake, instead of in automation

[south wedge]

Automation (Mod)

So, maybe that's the name?

[exotic hemlock]

I liked Advanced Automation

[hybrid hatch]

It's interesting to see the split between Advanced and Extended

[south wedge]

Advanced Automation

v4.0.0 (March 25th, 2026):

• [BIG CHANGE] The mod is now named "Advanced Automation" to better reflect its purpose and avoid confusion with the stock game automation system.
• [Feature] Add SetNoticeIcon, SetStatusIcon, and SetStatus actions to show icons and status text on the buildings.
• [Feature] Add new tool: Construction complete Notification. Once the buildings is completed, and icon and status text will be shown on it to notify the player.
• [Feature] Add signal Automator.State to the automation buildings. If the building can be used as source of the stock game automation signal, then it will have this scripting signal. It can be used "as-is" in the conditions of that building, or be exported via the normal Advanced Automation signals feature.
• [Feature] Add action Lever.SetState to set the state of the lever.
• [Change] Show a wider input box for the string argument values.
• [Change] No more mod versions for the pre-1.0 game version. Use v3.6.0 or earlier for the older game versions.
• [Fix] Don't show SetRecipe action in the rules editor if there are no more than one recipe in the workshop.

[reef spire]

v4.0.0 runs on game version 1.0.12.6 for a short time than just crashes. Seems rubble piles are the culprit, clicking on one or getting picked up crashes the game.

[south wedge]

And they also made a new experimental version that broke more stuff

[exotic hemlock]

I think the consensus is to ignore the experimental updates and only deal with them when it hits release. Also probably this will be the only thing broken: #🤖mod-creators message

[south wedge]

v4.0.1 (March 25th, 2026):

• [Fix] Game crashes when selecting non-automatable buildings (like rubble piles).

For the main branch only. Will update Mod.IO later today.

[west mountain]

You could go the stranger route, and call it "I Feel Like A Coder" 🤣 or "I AM The Coder" 🤣

[west mountain]

Why not both? Advanced Automation Extended?

[south wedge]

v4.0.2 (started on March 25th, 2026):

• [Update] Support game version 1.0.12.7.

[dark vault]

Can you please add support for setting Fill Valve and Throttling Valve? Similar to how the height can be set for floodgate.
The base game only has two values (on/off), but sometimes I need to switch between three or four values, which is quite complicated.

[south wedge]

v4.0.3 (March 26th, 2026):

• [Fix] Water flow control actions crash the game.

[deft tulip]

@south wedge Found one issue.
(eq (sig Inventory.OutputGood.Lotus_Flower) 200)
If there is a _ in the name the paser throws error.

[south wedge]

It's supposed to. The identifiers don't allow "_".

How do you get this underscore? Some mod?

[hybrid hatch]

Lotus Flower is from Water Beavers

[south wedge]

Hmm. Ok, I need to do something then.

[hybrid hatch]

Shouldn't you be using the Id not the DisplayName?

oh, the Id is Lotus_Flower

[south wedge]

yup, it's the id

When I made the core, I assumed nobody will make IDs with spaces. I forgot about underscores

[hybrid hatch]

also Apple_WP

Thankfully no - in good specs, only buildings

[hybrid hatch]

btw, Moddable Timberborn (one of the dependencies for Moddable Weather) now supports loading optional dlls. So you could get rid of the separate mod for Automation+ModdableWeather

[south wedge]

Good to know. But honestly, optionally loading stuff is only a part of the problem. The real headache is using types from the optional library. I was experimenting with it and found some working approaches, but the code became a nightmare.

[hybrid hatch]

yea, you have to provide Interfaces, and use them from the optional library side

[reef widget]

Did Workplace.MaxWorkers change name?
Every attempt to call it seems to fail.

[south wedge]

As far as I can tell, the name is the same. How do you use it and what do you get?

[reef widget]

Okay, it was just being really, really, really finicky.

[south wedge]

I wonder if you folks have any cool ideas about a new mod for the contest? 🙂 It seems, almost everything is already done.

[exotic hemlock]

I started making mods 2 months ago, published 24 mods, have no more ideas, the modding competition is announced. As always, my timing and luck is flawless.

[south wedge]

There should be a separate reward for 24 mods in 2 months

[serene urchin]

i had to play some to think about some additions to add 😛
but looks like most i can do with codeless and other is not required for it to work

[reef widget]

@south wedge I mentioned in the past that automating off Debug.Ticker had minimal effect on performance; it turns out that it's simply because the game's tick rate is incredibly slow; at 1x speed it seems to be just 2 ticks per second.

That said, it is possible to send a signal at the exact same frequency with a timer set to oscillator or a clutch connected to an inverted power meter.

[south wedge]

Well, it has no visible impact as long as you don't have much logic on it 🙂 Add extensive logic, and you'll be surprised (depends on you system, though). My mojo is avoiding problems instead of solving them. "Every tick rules" is a good way to problems.

The stock game, processes automation every tick. But they do it per automation building. You can't make many of them. My mod's rules can run on any building, which is a big difference in the numbers.

[ocean stratus]

I miss autorecipe, why is noone updating that? But that one actually tried bit too much. It would be sufficient that building rotates a recipe every morning, or when "unable to get all materials" , or when outputs are full. No need to check whole district. Simple and would solve most of the issues.

[ocean stratus]

Or even dumber only one rule "every morning check if the building is at 0%, then rotate recipe" might be sufficient

[ocean stratus]

Or a dumb order list like "two cycles of potatoes, one cycle of chestnuts"

[serene urchin]

Can you get a trigger on x time of day with AA? (Advanced automation)

[south wedge]

Stock automation has a way to trigger event on time. You can export this signal and use it in AA rule.

[south wedge]

v4.0.4 (April 28th, 2026):

• [Fix] Rules are not copied to all objects when using duplicate build tool.
• [Fix #130] Lumberjacks leaving left over Oak Logs when using Collectable.Ready != 0

[olive dew]

When im trying to create a signal the game just crashes

additionally when im trying to reload the save during a badtide the game crashes as well

downgraded to 4.0.3 and its all good now

game version is v1.0.13.0

[south wedge]

Thanks, I will take a look. I assume you were creating the very first signal?

[olive dew]

nope

already made 2 on previous version

after update I tried to make another one and this issue has occurred

[south wedge]

v4.0.5 (April 29th, 2026):

• [Fix] Game crashes when adding a new signal export.
• [Fix] Game may crash when loading certain saved games.

[serene urchin]

not sure if its happened for anyone else
have some automations setup on a lumberjack and clicked on base game automation and then it crashed

save as it happended again but i did not do the samething

[serene urchin]

and have to say i do love the invert rule function

[south wedge]

Hmm. The error comes from the mod. I''ll check it.

[south wedge]

Interesting. I got some error with the same rule, but the error is different.

[south wedge]

v4.0.6 (April 30th, 2026):

• [Fix] Game can crash on loading a state with "available for collection" rules.

[south wedge]

v4.0.7 (Math 2nd, 2026):

• [Fix] Game can crash when a lumberjack with collectable rules is destroyed.

[south wedge]

From the last game update: "Flow Sensors are now more precise and no longer claim that zero does not equal zero."
That's why AA has fixed precision from the beginning

[reef widget]

I'm honestly surprised that no programming class I have ever taken has mentioned it, given how easy it is to fall foul of the float != float problem.

[hybrid hatch]

... IsAlmostEqual

[south wedge]

In fact, it's not even humor. Unity has method Mathf.Approximately. And it does exactly this: checks if the two float values are almost equal

[south wedge]

And if you wonder what it does under the hood. This:

return Abs(b - a) < Max(1E-06f * Max(Abs(a), Abs(b)), Epsilon * 8f);

[surreal sparrow]

Yeah, it's a thing. Because when you do == on a float, even if they're supposed to both be the same number, it may return false.

And if you do a == on a float vs a double or int, it'll pretty much always return false

so in theory, when doing a comparison between 2 floats, you want to do an Absolute (removes the negative symbol if it's a negative number) on A - B, and then do a Return result < some threashold, in many cases there used to be a < 0.01 or 0.001 in many places in code.

[south wedge]

OMG! What is it?!

[worn hinge]

Ghost beavers faction coming soon? 👀

[south wedge]

Now, when you said it. Hmm

If you ever tried map "Pressure", you probably felt my pain

The "ghost map" is the consequences of that painful experience

[south wedge]

Or this.

[hidden frigate]

Looks like a foggy nighttime moor, very atmospheric.

[south wedge]

Those were early screenshots from my now mod: X-Ray. Inspired by playing on the Oasis map. It has so many underground stuff that it's nearly impossible to learn it with the existing game mechanics of terrain layers.

[hybrid hatch]

How is it different from Transparent Terrain?

[south wedge]

I didn't know about it On the other hand, I plan to add "through terrain selection" feature.

Not to mention, I have much more cool settings Kidding. Of course the original mod does all you would need.

[south wedge]

Like this

[hybrid hatch]

Niiice

[reef widget]

That would tend to make it superior to the Transparent Terrain, which still has normal occlusion for object selection.

What about building? Can you place a block in a cavern and use that to reference off of?
Tunnels would be hard without using a reference block, but being able to place a vertial line of them would be nice.

[south wedge]

Still work in progress. Making the buildings selectable was an easy task. Allowing building in caverns or on top of underground building is another story. Trying to find a way to hack the checking logic.

[south wedge]

Bad new is that this mod cannot be submitted to the contest It was my only chance.

[south wedge]

Trying to add wireframe, but apparently the game's one cannot be reused

[south wedge]

Better, but still too much noise.

[south wedge]

Much better!

[south wedge]

I spent only 2 hours chatting with AI. Lol.

It will be a new cover of the mod.

Did you know you can ask quetions to the AI agents today? Ha! It helps a lot.

This is the reference, btw

[serene urchin]

should it not be < 60 Run?

tho just edit in paint 😉

[south wedge]

Actually, just checked it. It was "> 60" The old save, who knows why I did it...

Maybe (theoretically): "IF we have too much potatoes THEN start spending it"?

[serene urchin]

noted the ladder down the drilled hole on the right? 😆

[south wedge]

Which one? 🙂

[south wedge]

An idea for a mod?

[hybrid hatch]

That's the drilling shaft in the original image, it got mutated into a ladder

AI also added a 0.6.9.1-rc version in the bottom right (nice)

[west mountain]

Any chance we will get Signals like District.ResourceStorageFilled.Log (for example), so we can use it like the logic gates?

[west mountain]

Noice!

Looks really good!

[west mountain]

Your ladders made it into the AI image. 🤣

Granted, not in the way you made them, but still.

[west mountain]

Also, placing a water alarm crashes my game. Google AI Mode says it's your mod's fault. 🤣

I'm testing now without your mod, to see if your mod is the issue.

[serene urchin]

i do not see why Advanced automation would affect Timberborn.BlockObjectPickingSystem.PickedCoordinates

[west mountain]

Nope, crashes even without this mod.

[west mountain]

Thanks! Now I know it's not this mod, but no idea what other mod it could be.

[serene urchin]

will verify my water extention that it do not crash for me

[west mountain]

I asked in #🚀mod-users

Maybe someone else knows what the issue could be.

[serene urchin]

worked for me to place water alarm

[west mountain]

To be fair, have you checked how many mods I have enabled? 🤣

[west mountain]

Out of curiosity, what AI did you use to make that? Thank you!

[south wedge]

Are you expecting a ratio here or what? Today, there are signlas for capacity and stock, you can make ratio of that by a simple condition: if capacity * target_ratio > stock then ...

[south wedge]

I use ChatGPT. Not the best for that stuff, but I used to work with it.

[west mountain]

Yes. A ratio, with a value between 0 and 1. And the reason would be so people could use the GUI builder instead of the code builder, to set up basic commands, like turning off the building when there is no more free space to store the output, or if there is too little output to be worth turning it on.

[west mountain]

Free, or paid?

[west mountain]

Would also allow for compound conditions to be easier to read and modify (i.e. when there is free space for the output, when there is enough stored input, when there's a drought, and when there isn't another specific resource from the production chain in low quantities, for example).

For example:
if District.ResourceStorageFilled.Log > 0.99
would replace
if District.ResourceStock.Log > District.ResourceCapacity.Log * 0.99
or
if District.ResourceStock.Log / District.ResourceCapacity.Log > 0.99

Easier to write, and easier to debug. Now imagine having 3 or 4 of those in a row, and you can probably see why such a thing would be such a good idea.

Plus that the signal already exists (almost certainly), since it's being used by the built-in sensor-blocks.

[south wedge]

Hmm. Yes, there is a point here. Formula is not supported by GUI as of now.

[south wedge]

Paid. Free is good to ask some thing occasionally, but if you plan to do any sensible work, the free quota gets exhausted very quick.

[south wedge]

The stock signals are very specific thing. Most of the time they are not reusable. AA would need to have own implementation anyway.

[reef widget]

Plus, the percentage stock signals given by vanilla automation are completely broken, so copying them would not be wise.

This is one of a few cases where I think reducing the syntax would cause more problems than it would solve.
It's already been reduced massively from the previous iteration, where every single warehouse had to broadcast its stock and capacity separately so you could calculate the sum.

[south wedge]

To my shame, I still had no chance to play with the stock automation What's wrong there with the ratios?

[south wedge]

The mod starts to get its final form.

It's my first AI made mod

[south wedge]

The contour mesh was a challenge.

[tiny badger]

that looks awesome, you stop follow automation for a bit and come back to xray vision

[reef widget]

The capacity seems to be including things that can't be filled, and seems to drift over time, which makes the percent fill option unpredictable and thus unusable.

[quasi plank]

just as a clarifying question with the constructor. Is there like a default state you can put on a building, or do you need to have both pause and resume functions?

like, can I have a farmhouse be paused by default but only when there's more than like 3 things to be gathered it gets resumed, or do I need to add both say "if less than 2 then pause" and "if more than 5 resume"?