Mod manager

[outer drift]

wtf

[valid orchid]

you break it, you buy it

[solid dragon]

and then you get to keep both pieces 😄

[valid orchid]

What if you break it, buy it, then go back becaues it's broken

[solid dragon]

lol

[solid dragon]

btw, I'm pretty sure that the API url is not secret. Almost certainly it'll be https://g-3659.modapi.io/v1/

[simple ridge]

i think it will be /v2/

[solid dragon]

based on serverURL in https://github.com/modio/modio-unity/blob/main/Editor/ModIO.EditorCode/SettingsAssetEditor.cs

[simple ridge]

let the betting begin 😛

[solid dragon]

no, v2 will only be used for incompatible changes

where the object schema changes,

wow, for mod.io's request of "Keep your keys private" there are several visible via https://github.com/search?q=modapi.io%2Fv1&type=code

[valid orchid]

it's also pretty much impossible to do anyway

[solid dragon]

and even more on the old url: https://github.com/search?q=api.mod.io%2Fv1&type=code

[valid orchid]

publish game with the mod manager, and it's in public

[solid dragon]

yea, because it's compiled into the dll

[outer drift]

hmm maybe someone would like to let their creativty go lose and add some visual helpers for the images? ?

[lapis bay]

green for good, red for bad?
would need to add
red green color weakness is common!

[outer drift]

These will indicate wheter the mod is compatible and will work on the current version you are running

Green means, it works, go play! orange means, i dont know, maybe, maybe not. red means, we KNOW it will not work

[lapis bay]

good
still recommend changing the colors though
cause I AM RED GREEN COLOR WEAK! and those colors are a pain for me to differentiate
so in addition id make a checkmark (green) for good to go, Orange/Yellow Crossed Checkmark or a questionmark for uncertain and a red cross for not compatible

[outer drift]

ooh thats what you mean, i didnt understand

yea, that is what im asking, for someone to make it more clear for people like you

[lapis bay]

also
Do i need to update the mod manager? game crashes currently when trying to manage mods

[outer drift]

you might do yes, make sure you have the latest

[lapis bay]

shapes always help people like me

[outer drift]

im bad at ui though

[lapis bay]

what file format and pixelsize are the icons supposed to be? I have a decent enough skill at pixelart for this to quickly make something

[outer drift]

same size, i believe they are 64 by 64

file format doesnt matter really

jpg png work, but can be converted if need be

also @simple ridge i saw you were testing extended floodgates? 😉

works like a charm

[lapis bay]

quick "Doodle" of a checkmark
dunno if it fits the style that well

[outer drift]

I can plop it on there later and see how it looks

[simple ridge]

Red X for not working
Orange ? For unknown maybe? Then we have color and different icons😉

[outer drift]

yea, im not that creative, so i was wondering if someone else did

[simple ridge]

Can look at it later

Do tell how above image work in the drop down list

😮 also after a time we will be able to remove the update tags 😁

[outer drift]

thats done in code, you can specify what images to use

[lapis bay]

full set done
not my best work but its good enough

[simple ridge]

Ya but would be good to see how it looks😉

[outer drift]

oooh i like the idea for the yellow one

really creative!

After i finished some more coding, i will try them out

[lapis bay]

im pretty sure i just copied some checkmark designs from memory, cant remember from where though

[simple ridge]

Just thought so it do not look to busy in the list(to much different info)

[outer drift]

ooh, sorry i misunderstood your message, yea for sure will do 👍

[simple ridge]

Will do my own thought of image to😉 always good with alternatives

[lapis bay]

bloody hell!
tried reinstalling the mod manager, did all the steps
now there is no mod menue in the main menue

[outer drift]

@simple ridge nvm, you didnt, it was a bug of mine

[simple ridge]

Thought you loaded it to test😂(is fine with that)

[valid orchid]

@outer drift do you receive all versions when fetching the mods or does this require a new requests

[outer drift]

how you mean?

ooh i see

i believe 2 seperated calls

i cache them both

[valid orchid]

Well that are still 130 calls when scrolling thru all mods

And 800 for maps

[outer drift]

Yes, i do need to optimise calls

Though currrent the same call is made multiple times

So it should already be better

The problem is that i now call when displaying (as i need to show the status) when previously that didnt happen

[simple ridge]

but you do not need to check more if first is working right?

[outer drift]

check if a newer one exists

so it can be updated

[simple ridge]

😮 ya true

to bad normal api call for get all mods do not also give all mod files

[lofty acorn]

I appreciate all the amazing work; you wonderful & talented ppl do

[simple ridge]

There we go fixed (nr 2) of images, Different shapes for each type of message:

[lofty acorn]

I like this

[simple ridge]

ya clean is what i was looking for

[lofty acorn]

Everyone in the US knows what an octagon means lol

[simple ridge]

ya even EU 😛

[lofty acorn]

Cool

Didn't know but know I do

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-19118236

[simple ridge]

maybe should rotate the triange 😛

180degree

[lofty acorn]

The orange one should just be "¯_(ツ)_/¯"

[simple ridge]

thought of a give way sign 😛

Alternetive unknown image

[outer drift]

I was thinking of just adding symbles in, but i like that aswell

[simple ridge]

🙂

[solid dragon]

Orange should have question mark maybe?

[simple ridge]

can you really see that if its this small?
https://discordapp.com/channels/558398674389172225/1096743527368622182/1197990323469701230

[solid dragon]

Yes. It's actually easier to see than shapes.

We have a similar icon on one of our UI's at work

[simple ridge]

can always try 😉

[solid dragon]

Yea

I'm looking at an image search for "yield sign" for ideas too

Some countries have diamond

Some triangles are red, some yellow

[simple ridge]

ya but yellow will not work great with the border

[solid dragon]

Yea

Oh I think the diamond is "yield ahead", not "yield now"

[outer drift]

I see this package is not part of the modmanager itself, only the UI part:

<PackageReference Include="System.Linq.Async" Version="6.0.1" />

@valid orchid would it be bad if i used that?

[solid dragon]

Our work UI uses ✓ for good, ! for warning, and ? for unknown

and ✕ for fail

and green/yellow/red circles -- but it's against a white background

[valid orchid]

For what and is it already in timberborn?

[outer drift]

its in modmanagerui, but not in modmanager, but i might not need it

Is there a downside to just caching everything at the start?

[lean jolt]

Depending of the users RAM size, can be 🤔

[outer drift]

as our mod community is pretty small, its gonna be 1 mb max

[simple ridge]

caching when you open modmanager?

[lean jolt]

So, no issue at all

[outer drift]

I can run it on startup, so it is possibly finished before pressing the open modmanager button

[simple ridge]

hmm fine if you have a failsafe if not internet connection

[outer drift]

This is the current build, Most things i would like to see added are now added i believe

gonna do some perfomance improvements, but this looks pretty good to me

[lean jolt]

Click on Mod Manager button and ... nothing 😮

[outer drift]

wut?

nothing loads you mean?

[lean jolt]

I mean, that Mod Manager window do not show up, nothing in ehe BeepinEX log, will check in user data

Nothing in the player.log when I click on Mod Manager button

[outer drift]

oke, very wierd

[lean jolt]

I had 2 BeepineEX folder in the plugins folder, deleted them , still not working

[simple ridge]

i will test to

[outer drift]

@lean jolt thanks for trying, but sadly i wouldnt know what is the issues 😦

[lean jolt]

I do not find any clue, sorry ...

[simple ridge]

do work for me

but it is laggy but that i think you know

[lean jolt]

hmm, do you have any of the mimic mods ?

[simple ridge]

only mod manager

but its now frozen

[lean jolt]

Is winter 🌬️

[simple ridge]

it is its -24,81 C outside but i do not think thats it 😉

[lean jolt]

🤣

OK, deleted ALL mimic mods and is showing 😮

[simple ridge]

thats not good at all 😦

[lean jolt]

Not at all, but at least, we know where to look

[simple ridge]

you got some more now to show as compatible 😉

good night and good job Tobbert

[outer drift]

but uuh wierd not working with mimic mods

no clue why that would be the case

[solid dragon]

Where is the green/red circle used in-game?

[outer drift]

no clue, it was called differently in combination with others

[lean jolt]

At least, I find why has not working 🤯

[solid dragon]

Example mod?

[outer drift]

what you mean?

[solid dragon]

☝️

(from #🚀mod-users message) does there need to be a different icon if the connection to mod.io fails and modfiles can't be downloaded when scrolling the list of mods?

although in that case it could just be omitted, or dark grey,

are you using your personal user api key when testing?

I'm pretty sure 60 requests per minute should be easy to reach

[solid dragon]

what was the asset name?

[valid orchid]

shouldn't async prevent blocking UI when making a API call

[solid dragon]

I think it depends on if the click handler is waiting forthe async call or not,

eg the TryInstall method is not async

downloadButton.clicked += async () => await DoDownloadAndExtract

DoDownloadAndExtract is async

and the Download call is async

but TryInstall is not

so (I'm guessing here) maybe it's the Install that makes the UI block, not the download?

btw, I notice that DownloadLatest names the temporary file {mod.Id}_{mod.Modfile.Id}.zip

but DownloadFile names the temporary file {mod.Id}_{file.Version}.zip

it shouldn't matter, just an interetsing difference

if TryInstall(...) will block, then maybe it should be wrapped in await Task.Run(() => { TryInstall(...);})

blegh, you can't because TryInstall interacts with the UI

but then TryInstall could put the version-check & addonService calls into a Task

[outer drift]

To be clear, nearly all of that is reworked

[solid dragon]

I'm sure

do you have a dev branch uploaded?

[outer drift]

I can push it right now

https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager

[solid dragon]

nice

still DownloadAndExtract is async,

and TryInstall is not,

but the ModActionStarted and ModActionStopped calls must happen on the UI thread,

[outer drift]

it should?

[solid dragon]

yea, all interations with the UI have to happen on the UI thread

which async methods run on by default

but the try/catch with TryGet/compare version/ChangeVersion/Install doesn't touch the UI right?

and should therefore run on a separate thread

I'm not sure if the catches should be inside the Task thread or not,

I think it doesn't matter because await will propgate the exception correctly

this all assumes that the UI blocking is caused by the zip extract, etc and not during the download phase

but the Modio.NET client seems to be fully async

so that shouldn't be an issue

[solid dragon]

fyi: summary of conversation with mod.io support:

• Please don't do a ton of API calls if you can avoid it
• Use IDs instead of names (for the "currently installed filter")

[sand rune]

Is this a known issue?

[outer drift]

Yes, is fixed in comming update

[sand rune]

ah, wasn't sure if that was what you were showing off in the screenshot above

[outer drift]

Yea it was xD

[unreal cave]

deDE translation for tobberts pre-release version
Is it possible to include an option to search for all mods/maps from one author?

[simple ridge]

click on a user when at a mod should show his/her mods ( 😮 thought you talked about mod.io)

[outer drift]

yeaaaaa. i would like to show author on the modcard aswell.

[unreal cave]

Thanks. Works on the website.
Would be nice if this functionality is in InGame-ModManager.
My usecase for this is to check the translation updates per author.

[valid orchid]

@stone niche I am probably going to get an M3 mac, so if we would revive the external in the future we could look into cross

[stone niche]

Ooo nice! We gonna write it in Xcode?

[valid orchid]

Is that the crossplatform lf avonia thong ?

But so much things to do though

Need to fix TimberApi foe you and all

[stone niche]

I thought that was apples dev platform, but not sure on that one!

[outer drift]

as Todor has found, @smoky fox it might seem that Linker is preveting Mod manager from showing. I tried looking at your github, but didnt see something that could cause it. this is where the button is being added. Maybe you know?

https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/blob/main/ModManagerUI/Patches.cs

@lean jolt you are sure it is not the case for live version?

this link: https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/main/ModManagerUI/Patches.cs

The other one is the official one.

[smoky fox]

like the whole button or the text without the button background?
I have both Linker and Manager and it works for me, only the background on the button is missing, but this problem started with some game update

[outer drift]

Nono, im talking about my update ive been working on for 2 weeks now

[outer drift]

This: #🤖mod-creators message

[smoky fox]

do you mean the newly broken button? And how is it possible that it worked before? 🙂

[outer drift]

Absolutly no clue

I do wanna fix it ofcourse

No clue where to start, so i was just asking if you know

[smoky fox]

I don't know how it was done in the functional version of the Manager. Maybe the way it was done was for a reason. It is better to ask the author of Manager directly. But otherwise, yes, if I add the Linker, the button stops working with your version... I have no idea how, I would have to look closer, but the Linker does not modify the Menu, it just detects that it is fully loaded

just from the principle that the other buttons work, you will have an bug somewhere 🤓 but I can look also out of curiosity, why it doesn't work because of Linker
but I haven't seen the manager code, I can't help in this direction

[smoky fox]

after loading the menu, have you tried clicking on Credits and then on Manager? This combo works when I have Linker there
so some state of the window will be in a different state and when another window is closed it will reset and it will start working

[lean jolt]

Rechecked now. Linker is preventing Mod Manager to show-up.

[lean jolt]

It works ! But, exit game menu item now is not working 😮

[smoky fox]

Even if I comment all the patches in Linker, it behaves the same... I would probably recommend looking in the functional version of the Manager to see what is different there, because everything worked for me before

I guess already...

I don't know what Tobbert did there, are you grabbing the Welcome box or something?

by default, I remove the Welcome window (it can be re-enabled in the configuration), if I leave it, the Manager button works. But this used to work with that Manager 1.3.6 or so.. otherwise I have to click on something else before the button starts working

to be precise, I call this RemoveAndShowMainMenu method which is called after the button is clicked, so I leave the behavior as if the user closes the window manually

// Start button in game code
visualElement.Q("Start", null).RegisterCallback<ClickEvent>(delegate(ClickEvent _)
{
    this.RemoveAndShowMainMenu();
}, TrickleDown.NoTrickleDown);

// go to MainMenu event - this is what Linker calls
private void RemoveAndShowMainMenu()
{
    WelcomeScreenBox.showedAlready = true;
    this._panelStack.Pop(this);
    this.ShowMainMenu();
}

PanelStack

public void Push(IPanelController panelController)
{
    this.Push(panelController, false, false, false, true);
    
    // your Postfix patch
    if (panelController is MainMenuPanel)
    {
        // view or add events to Manager button
    }
}

you should do something more like this and then show or add click events... but i guess i don't have a Manager

[outer drift]

I know what i changed now, so i depend on the ILoadableSingleton now, as that is more of a base game approach. Does your way by any chance prevent this Load function in some way?

[smoky fox]

I found a more elegant way to disable the welcome window, but even then the Manager button does not work on the first try. You really have to fix this, I can't seem to do anything with it even in the linker
I do everything (if possible) as Postfix, so as not to hinder anyone's work

[outer drift]

i dont need to fix anything, it works perfectly without your mod

[smoky fox]

I probably wouldn't argue like that if it was working before you touched it 🙂

[outer drift]

i will try searching more for what the exact reason is ofcourse, as i am currently basing this of of github

[outer drift]

but it does work without your mod

[smoky fox]

here I will remind you of your words - why touch it when it works 😄

[outer drift]

you dont have to change it, but this approach is better.

its better readable, which is the whole point of most things i rewrote

[smoky fox]

this is not about the Linker, but whoever makes a mod that will skip the Welcome window, the Manager will not work... so the problem is not in the Linker, but in the fact that I skip the Welcome window, the Manager button stops working

I have no idea how the manager did it before and what you did there, so I can't advise more now, but I recommend fixing it in Manager, because from my point of view you broke it 🙂 I would advise more, but I don't know Manager nor the new way you do it 🤷‍♂️

I can of course disable the default welcome skip so that everyone can manually enable it, but that doesn't solve the problem that the welcome skip is blocking the button

[lean jolt]

Also, Dynamic specifications works without U5 🤣

[outer drift]

dynamic specifications might be discontinued

but unrelated to mod manager

[lean jolt]

I know. Was just a joke 🤫

[outer drift]

@smoky fox, i checked and im fairly certain this issue is caused by linker indeed.

I will therefore not change my current solution

[smoky fox]

I say again.. skipping the Welcome window is responsible for this problem and it doesn't matter if it is included in Linker or someone else makes a mod to skip Wekcome

you know what.. make a mod that skips the welcome window and use your manager.. when you come up with a solution to skip the welcome to make the manager work, I'll be happy to edit it in the linker

[outer drift]

i will not think of a solution for your mod

[smoky fox]

I won't change anything either - I have no way, I only have 2 options to skip the Welcome and neither of them is to the liking of the new Manager
The previous version worked.. just do a rollback, add only add the icons about which there was a debate and it's solved

[outer drift]

no, i will not rollback, the previous implementation was bad from a readable aspect

[outer drift]

you do have a way, make it differntly

or dont, and i will send people to you

[smoky fox]

i don't understand your logic... you touch the code, break it and blame it on other mods to fix their own code? Seriously? We both know the solution, but you don't want to do it... hard advice and help afterwards

if you know of another way to skip the Welcome window, write to me... I'll do it that way

[outer drift]

i dont understand your thinking, you are breaking my mod solution to the problem

[smoky fox]

I know only 2 ways and neither of them works for you on the new button

[outer drift]

no, you figure it our youself, i will not create a mod for u

I will say what i changed, i remove ALL logic from the constructor, as NO logic should be inside the constructor. If you do, it is probably wrong and can be fixed in a nother way.
Instead i use ILoadableSingleton to initiate the logic of the mod manager.

This is what the devs use, which im currently rewriting to base the mod on aswell

as much as possible ofcourse, i dont have access to change original code.

[smoky fox]

by the way, this mod will break your Manager 99.9% of the time too
https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/hide-welcome-window

[outer drift]

yes, as both that implementation and your implementation are wrong

[smoky fox]

so go figure out how to hide the Welcome window and we'll all be happy... but as soon as I call the same event as when I click, there's no "cleaner" way, but if you can think of another, I'm all ears

ye, it's wrong in the mod I sent, it also includes a footer, but it's the principle of the first solution

[outer drift]

i dont know if it is "cleaner" or whatever, probably not, but your current implementation is wrong

[smoky fox]

generally the impl. bad in game when Welcome chains and inside welcome is Menu instead of the other way around

[outer drift]

this statement is also wrong, using a postfix doesnt mean you dont hinder other peoples work

like in this case for example 😉

[smoky fox]

check.. InitialLanguageChooser and StartShowingMainMenu
this is the second method, which is called even earlier (as the first one)... hiding the Welcome is OK, but even here on the first click of the Manager it doesn't work... there's not much to do

[outer drift]

how about doing it later?

oh wait, did i just give a hint

[smoky fox]

in what I sent, even if you completely skip Welcome and get to the menu, the Manager still doesn't work for you... so I see the problem really somewhere in the Manager and the way you add it button... don't you want to ask @tight wigeon why it worked before?

[outer drift]

i know why it worked before and why it doesnt now

I do not claim the mod as i have rewritten it is better or anything, I do know that it is more in line with the logic on which the game is based

logic which you are breaking

At this point i dont mind wheter you fix it or not, as it doesnt matter for the modmanager, but it is your problem now.

[smoky fox]

this can be done if there is official support and api, but not in our case... sometimes this way is not suitable and this is the case

[night sundial]

hm... I trying to understand but I'm missing sth, probably it is due to my lack of knowledge in harmony and patching 😅

since mimic in his mod is using the same metod that is used when the button is clicked

[smoky fox]

I have one question

[night sundial]

why does it break the manager?

since the manager is postfixing MainMenuPanel.GetPanel?

and that happens (should happen) after both

[outer drift]

so what is happening its a loading order issue

[smoky fox]

@night sundial
(Welcome window)
when is called the Show() method and RemoveAndShowMainMenu() at the end, why does the main menu behave differently than when it is closed by clicking Start?

visualElement.Q("Start", null).RegisterCallback<ClickEvent>(delegate(ClickEvent _)
{
    this.RemoveAndShowMainMenu();
}, TrickleDown.NoTrickleDown);

the problem is that when I call it manually (like if the player clicks on it), the click event of the Manager button doesn't work

[valid orchid]

Im pretty sure the popup is it's own class, which could be ommited in his whole as if it never existed

[night sundial]

ah, so the problem is not, that MainMenuPanelPostfix is not called, but that this doesn't work? button.clicked += ModsBox.OpenOptionsDelegate;

[outer drift]

WelcomeScreenBox.Show() is called during the Load(). As it is called by InitialLanguageChooser. He immediatly calls RemoveAndShowMainMenu, which then calls GetPanel of the main menu and call this: https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/8f02f2f419fbff11daed4a5ad96eb08e26ccfb86/ModManagerUI/Patches.cs#L20

as in my current implementation OpenOptionsDelegate gets set during load (after InitialLanguageChooser) the logic of the patch is called before.

How mimics implementation is breaking my new implementation, is by calling logic during load.

[night sundial]

no idea maybe it is a problem that its called in the same frame?

[outer drift]

The way he could do a correct implementation is making sure he doesnt call logic during Load().

[smoky fox]

the way to keep your car clean is to always leave it in the garage

[outer drift]

but i need to go, so will read when im back

[night sundial]

@outer drift but in the link you provided, OpenOptionsDelegate is set in MainMenuPanelPostfix fro GetPanel, not in Load as you say?

I'm lost 😅

@smoky fox do you have your code on github? cam I have a look?

[outer drift]

sorry, if you go to the field inside mdos box: https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/8f02f2f419fbff11daed4a5ad96eb08e26ccfb86/ModManagerUI/ModsBox.cs#L31 it is empty. During load i initialize it: https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/8f02f2f419fbff11daed4a5ad96eb08e26ccfb86/ModManagerUI/ModsBox.cs#L147

[outer drift]

https://gitlab.com/OphiteCorp/modding/timberborn-tbmpl/-/blob/update5/__TBMPLLinker/Patches/WelcomeScreenBoxPatch.cs?ref_type=heads

[smoky fox]

I also have a new way, but it doesn't work for Manager either

private static MethodInfo TargetMethod()
{
    return RefTools.FindMethodByType("InitialLanguageChooser", "Load");
}

private static void Postfix(object ____welcomeScreenBox)
{
    if (EP.Config.SkipWelcomeWindow)
    {
        ____welcomeScreenBox._InvokeMethod("OnUIConfirmed");
    }
}

[night sundial]

it calls the same method 🤷‍♂️

public bool OnUIConfirmed() {
  RemoveAndShowMainMenu();
  return true;
}

[smoky fox]

I know.. everything works... we are dealing with the fact that the new version of the Manager does not work (specifically the click event on the button)... but as soon as you click on another window, for example Credits and close it, the Manager event works

from my point of view everything is correct in skipping Welcome and the problem is in the Manager... I don't know how else to skip Welcome to Menu

if I don't do this logic around skipping the Welcome, the Click event on the Manager button works.. no idea why

[night sundial]

well... tbh Tobbert I think mimic has a point here - following our guidelines in your context is not always possible

[valid orchid]

What if you just patch StartShowingMainMenu in a postfix and close the _welcomeScreenBox?

[night sundial]

assigning static OpenOptionsDelegate in Load is strange for me - but I understand it is needed, because you don't have access to instance in harmony patch?

if yes, then in my opinion it should be done in a way, that mandates working in any circumstances

[valid orchid]

You have access to the instance it's patching

[night sundial]

no matter, if this is in constructor or anywhere else

but he is accessing ModsBox in patch for MainMenuPanel?

[valid orchid]

Wym? should that matter with the _welcomeScreenBox

I will test in a few hours

[smoky fox]

that doesn't help.. i do it to the parent method before this is called and neither works

[valid orchid]

Yes and no, really. Mods can break other mods specially if patches come in to play.

But will check later

[smoky fox]

skipping the Welcome window works, but if someone comes up with a solution to make the Manager work as well, so that Tobbert doesn't have to touch anything, I'll do it that way, but as I wrote, I don't know a "cleaner" solution than calling the UI method, which is called manually with a button

[night sundial]

but if you can change your own mod to make sure it always work, then sticking to principles designed for other situation is questionable for me

[outer drift]

You are talking about mimic?

[valid orchid]

Im not 100% sure if I understand, but I think I agree

[smoky fox]

about you

[night sundial]

hm... adding a new class with PostLoad and calling it in PostLoad might fix the issue

[outer drift]

This is the correct way to do it yes

[night sundial]

but tbh Tobbert - your code is also wrong

[outer drift]

And how i would do it

[night sundial]

even the game logic can break your code, if we decide to skip welcome screen box

if for example we add a setting to omit welcome screen

[smoky fox]

by the way, why is the Main Menu buried in the Welcome window? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Show a modal Welcome window above the main menu?

[night sundial]

then InitialLanguageChooser in load will call MainMenu to show - and your code will be broken because that will happen in Load

[night sundial]

dunno, it is one of the first things done after migration to UI Toolkit

so we were experimenting

it is more about - show it and forget

[outer drift]

This means the current code is wrong? I do know i make mistakes ofcourse.

[night sundial]

I think assigning that static delegate in Load is wrong

since you don't have any guarantee that it will be code before you use that delegate

as mimic and the other mod case shows

and as I said - also game logic can break it if we decide to add option to skip welcome screen box

[outer drift]

That might be true yea! Dont know how i would fix that, but will try to think about a potebtially other solution regarding that. Not sure how yet though. Though i do know the vallue will not be used untill it is set. As the load order does make sense.

[outer drift]

I cannot think about future changes as anything can break in that case

[outer drift]

Those mods are flawed by changing code during load. My assumptions are not wrong i feel like, do you think they are?

[smoky fox]

well, nothing, from my point of view from Linker it is solved.. I would help more, but I don't know the manager 😉

btw just out of curiosity I tried to rewrite the entire StartShowingMainMenu method in InitialLanguageChooser so that it doesn't do Show Welcome but immediately ShowMainMenu. The problem with the Manager button persists.. so there is no other way to skip Welcome

[night sundial]

I don't think they are flawed in that way

InitialLanguegeChooser is doing exactly the same in Load

just calling another window

I see 3 solutions, but I will write them later, since I'm on mobile rn

[night sundial]

1. Assign OpenOptionsDelegate in constructor

2. In postfix use lambda, so the delegate will be evaluated during execution time button.clicked += () => ModsBox.OpenOptionsDelegate?.Invoke();

3. Make OpenOptionsPanel a static method that will use Instance since this field is assigned in constructor and then use it in postfix

public static void OpenOptionsPanel()
{
    ManifestValidatorService.Instance.ValidateManifests();
    PanelStack.HideAndPush(Instance);
}

not sure if they will work for sure - but those are my ideas on how to fix it

[valid orchid]

1 and 2 looks good to me

[outer drift]

The current implementation works fine though, why does it need to change?

Are my assumptions wrong?

What is wrong with it?

[valid orchid]

Where is the download link of the new mod manager

[night sundial]

you are assignig a static field in non static context - thats is in my opinion wrong

[outer drift]

But why do none of your solutions include a option for changing the code of mimic?

[smoky fox]

because he assumes that Load is called only once, which is not true

[smoky fox]

because my solution is correct (to the extent possible)... I don't know how else to tell you

[night sundial]

yeah

[outer drift]

Oki, will try to look for a fix 🙂

[outer drift]

Oke, tried looking for a fix, but it seems you need a way to get or set a static field in non static context no? I wouldnt know a way to not do that.

Does the game do that somewhere, where i can take example?

[night sundial]

have you tried any of the fix ideas I provided?

game don't do such things

[outer drift]

first one is not possible, logic in constructor, second is a fix based on the current implementation, The instance is also not allowed as that is also setting static in instance context

[night sundial]

but you are already doing it in load

so whats the problem of doing it in other places?

[outer drift]

now you are getting to the root problem, at this point i dont know a better way and therefore this is the "correct" way? At that point i dont see a reason to change it.

[night sundial]

for me it is because your mod is dependent on how other mods (and game itself) is programmed

you can avoid that pitfall by a simple change

either change the evaluation of delegate to click time

or assign it in constructor

[outer drift]

I can ofcourse and i 100% dont mind doing it, but why do i always have to provide a solution?

my way is just as valid, im just saying

[night sundial]

you are not providing a solution - you are making your own solution more robust

more independent

better

[outer drift]

i dont feel like it is better if it comes with more unclear structure and rules.

[night sundial]

it depends how you define better

go check WaterSimulation class - it is bloated as hell

you can split it in smaller classes, extract methods

it will have more clear and better structure

will be more readable

but will it be better?

I don't think so - this class is better only in one way - performance

so it does a lot of things that are unsound

to be better

for me making a mod that is not dependent on how other mods works sounds better

then just "not doing logic" in constructor

tbh assigning a field is not much of a logic

you are doing it already by assigning all other fields

so why not assigning that one field?

[outer drift]

the thing is just, in this instance, with that logic, his mod is activly breaking my mod, as he could patch something else. A mod will always able to break another mod. The only question being, who gets to need to change something?

if he were to do logic after Load, it would also be fine

[night sundial]

oh man, I'm done here

you have a clean way (as clean as you are already doing) of fixing this problem

and yet you are pointing the other way saying - its your fault

well, you changed sth and it broke

so it is your fault

[outer drift]

i will go with option 2 to be clear, i will be the one doing the fixing, again

So creating a mod, that will prevent conventions set by the game, i will upload it first, this means others will break my mod? They changed something, mine was first

[small smelt]

just curious, how to fix the mod manager not showing up on the main menu after install?

[sacred salmon]

SocketException: No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.
how to fix this?

[valid orchid]

Do you have any non abc character in your computer name?

[atomic dune]

i have the same issue and no i dont

i could probably wait for the next mod manager update considering a lot of other people reported this issue but im not sure if a fix to this will be included

[atomic dune]

also i checked updated and/or disabled the firewall; and bepinex and modmanager are the only 2 mods i have installed

also this is happening when you click the mod manager button on main screen

[valid orchid]

Hmm we dont know, we might have a hunch, which could be solved in that update

Can you gove full log?

And does is always happen or just sometimes

[solid dragon]

Maybe the connection to api.mod.io is just flaky sometimes?

[outer drift]

What i have been thinking about, is poeple making a lot of calls?

oke, that is not possible for the person in #🚀mod-users

[solid dragon]

why? just because it's happening when they try and enter the Mod Manager UI?

[outer drift]

i was basing my thought on having tons of mods installed, but that dude sure didnt

[solid dragon]

yea,

[outer drift]

as having mods installed does a call for every mod

[solid dragon]

does it?

[outer drift]

2 actually

[solid dragon]

I suspect that it's just "regular" maintenance at cloudflare or mod.io that causes the connection to fail

[outer drift]

does happen at random times, so i cannot find a logic in it

[solid dragon]

Does it happen more at certain times of day?

[outer drift]

Tadašis report was at 12:00 my time and the guy in #🚀mod-users was around 23:00

so i would say no

other reports were also at random times

[solid dragon]

yea, it's weird that it's "target machine actively refused it", and not "failed to connect"

which means it's a TCP reset packet,

oh, you know we should be aksing what IP addresses the name resolves to too,

it should be cloudflare IPs

it might also be ISP related, although I doubt all reporters are using the same ISP

[solid dragon]

but really Mod Manager should be resilient to it

(which maybe the dev version is already fixed, I haven't checked)

[atomic dune]

i tried it a dozen times and it havent worked once

[atomic dune]

ive tried this like atleast once a day for the past like 7 days so no

if it was a temporary issue it would have worked once

[atomic dune]

i also tried this on win10 and that didnt fix anything so me being on win7 isnt the problem

[outer drift]

I dont know, i dont have the issue

[solid dragon]

weird,

[solid dragon]

Can you access https://api.mod.io/v1/games/3659 in your browser?

It should say something about a missing api_key

[atomic dune]

yeah i can

I'll try adding my key i guess

[solid dragon]

yea, that error message is "good enough" to prove the connection works though,

Are you running Timberborn from Steam, Gog, Epic or Humble?

and do you have any firewall software instlled?

[atomic dune]

steam

no firewall just the basic one

and i already said i tried disabling it entirely and nothing changed

[solid dragon]

k, here's a weird idea to try: what happens if you go and view the credits, and then open the Mod Manager?

does that make any difference?

[atomic dune]

what like fully view them

if not fully then no it didnt help

im glad this game loads so damn quickly lol

[solid dragon]

heh,

and you don't have a proxy server that you have to use or anything?

[atomic dune]

i mean i have some small servers installed for development but i think theyre disabled rn

plus they wouldnt be active on my win10 instance either way because none of my development software is there

but no i definitely don't remember installing any proxies

this is just a normal home router

[outer drift]

But you are consitently getting the error, how wierd

[atomic dune]

is there someone out there only getting it sometimes

[solid dragon]

mmm, I don't think so

[atomic dune]

just because they only complain about it occasionally doesn't mean it sometimes works :y

[outer drift]

I believe most are getting it consitently

[solid dragon]

yea, but 3 people in the last few days?

[outer drift]

@solid dragon are you aware of this being asked in mod.io discord?

[solid dragon]

Tadašis had the same issue

[outer drift]

Exactly, this is a big issue

[solid dragon]

and so did WolfBoy

[atomic dune]

is that from a different game

[solid dragon]

reported in #🚀mod-users

no also Timberborn

[atomic dune]

oh

[atomic dune]

the earliest report of this i could find was on 21st

[solid dragon]

Tadašis reported it about ~20 hours ago

[outer drift]

There were more before the update iirc

This has come up decently recently, after new years

[solid dragon]

which update?

[outer drift]

Update 5

[solid dragon]

5.7.0 or 5.7.1?

[outer drift]

5.7.0 to stable

[solid dragon]

mmmm,

[atomic dune]

anyways i know its a bit of a loaded question but when's the next mod manager update gonna be out, approximately

[outer drift]

No clue, as there are still some issues regarding the amount of calls being made to mod.io which im trying to solve

Depends on how much time i have this week, hopefully soon 🙂

[atomic dune]

cool

[solid dragon]

Frame'z Play'z Game'z had the issue last week too

[atomic dune]

its funny I could just download the mods manually but for the past week since 22nth I've had the notion like "oh yeah i mean i could just play something else what if it gets fixed in just like a day or something"

🙃

[solid dragon]

and prior to that Discord only finds a report from June 2023

[outer drift]

This issue i dont know how to fix, as when its consitent i cannot just throw retry every minute in there or something

[solid dragon]

(and one in Jan 2023 before that)

[outer drift]

Many times poeple are like "i have issue" and we ask for logs and it has socket exceptio

[solid dragon]

yea, Discord search is definitely missing results

it would be nice to even confirm which address it was trying to connect to,

the base game doesn't do any network io does it? not even to check for an update?

[outer drift]

Nope nothing

Its the game managers that do that i believe

[solid dragon]

yea

[outer drift]

The links in the main menu are just opening a page in browser

[solid dragon]

hmmm, looking at the code for WebConnection.Connect I think it can throw this type of connection failure if there are zero in the address list.

ref: https://github.com/mono/mono/blob/main/mcs/class/System/System.Net/WebConnection.cs#L127

mmm, it's supposed to raise NameResolutionFailure though,

and the stack trace shows that it's getting to BeginConnect

but elsewhere where I see this error being reported it shows as machine actively refused it $ip:$port.

and that's missing in these errors,

[lean jolt]

Another report with connection issue #🚀mod-users message

[outer drift]

Thebloodeyes asked in mod.io chat and i asked if they could add me aswell. maybe i can ask someone with the problem to play guinea pig xD

[lean jolt]

Sorry, cannot be that pig since I do not have any problems 😭

[solid dragon]

would be nice if we could get network traffic dump to see where the connection is trying to connect

[atomic dune]

can packettracer do that or what

[solid dragon]

Windows server has pktmon, but https://www.winpcap.org/windump/ would probably be the easiest

[atomic dune]

how do i set it up

i have it running but its just one line it did at the start

doesnt show anything when i do the usual crashing thing

or anything else for that matter

[outer drift]

I created the pull request with the changes up till now: https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/pull/52

oke, thats a example of why you shouldnt let me do pull requests

i dont know what im doing

[valid orchid]

What

To who are you talking

[outer drift]

myself

as i am stupid

i added files to the gitignore

but for some reason they are then removed

wtf

[simple ridge]

ya have happened for me to if you sync and have stuff in gitignore it may remove them from local (how i have broken my mod setup once)

[outer drift]

no, not remove from local

it removed them from git

[simple ridge]

🤔

[outer drift]

OKe second try https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/pull/53

this time without deleting files with the commit

[solid dragon]

btw, you don't have to remove the PR and create a new one, if you re-push to the same place it'll just update the already open PR

[atomic dune]

i updated the game and mod manager works now

which is kind of weird because when this issue started happening it was definetly up to date

oh well

[valid orchid]

@stone niche No idea where the external thread gone to but, I believe avalonia is still quite updating their docs

https://docs.avaloniaui.net/docs/get-started/install

I don't remember it to have this much

[stone niche]

Oh 100% those docs are fresh and new!

[valid orchid]

It seems like after 1 year, I finally have some energy again to program after work. So maybe in the summer (If TimberApi is finished) ill get back to it.

Hopefully it's even more matured by then

[solid dragon]

Could you send the main menu button style fix as a separate PR so that it can be merged sooner? That way there could be a minor release to fix the cosmetic issue while the new features are reviewed.

[outer drift]

Dont ask me about things about git

Would cost me more time than its worth

[simple ridge]

link to the corrected file/ lines?

[solid dragon]

https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/pull/53/files#diff-d230875b2a05df327b72656ba9e18e61ac3e54c682d6ec089faa4fb03e0bff69

I think the critical part is classList = {"menu-button", "menu-button--stretched" },

but that's a total guess

I don't know if Button --> LocalizableButton has any effect on the style

(I assume not)

[valid orchid]

Probably will take as long as the other pr

[outer drift]

It does, requires both

[solid dragon]

it also requires using Timberborn.CoreUI;

[valid orchid]

It does and does not, not sure if tobbert removed it

[solid dragon]

LocalizableButton is from Timberborn.CoreUI, and the current Patches.cs doesn't reference it,

so when changing Button to LocalizableButton the uisng must be added

[valid orchid]

Oh Timberborn corn. though you said timberApi

[solid dragon]

I'm trying to see if I can extract just the style fix and send a PR for that

[valid orchid]

I will check tobberts PR tomorrow soo...

[solid dragon]

ahh actually LocalizableButton (and the required using) is the only fix required to style the button.

I don't see any effect from adding or removing the menu-button--stretched class

but the other main menu buttons have it, so good to match

I've created PR #55 with the required changes,

[smoky fox]

May not show combo in some cases.. (maybe it's a bug, other maps have a version)

[outer drift]

What you mean?

[smoky fox]

that the map author did not write a version of the map, in which case the combo might not be displayed

[outer drift]

What is the issue in that instance?

[outer drift]

Aaah, i see, will do

[smoky fox]

that it is not possible to select anything in the combo (dropdown) = it might not be there
the same Live Version, if it is not, then there is a missing dash

[outer drift]

Just looked at this, orange is correct, as it cannot determine whether its compatible

[smoky fox]

but I'm not talking about the color of the icon, but about the whole drowdown - why display when there is no version.. I thought the version was mandatory in modio, but it seems it's not.. (it's not a bug, it's a QoL)

[solid dragon]

You mean because generally Maps work for most versions?

ohh, I see what you mean,

does the drop down only show other versions?

i.e. the currently live version is missing from the drop down?

That wouldn't make sense,

oh, I think I see what the issue is,

the author of Micro map didn't give a name for the version

so it's "blank"

the drop down isn't empty, it has one blank item,

so it can be selected, it just doesn't show any text

[outer drift]

Yea exactly

its because of the briliant idea of making versions a string

absolutely best idea ever

[solid dragon]

is the cache of mod information only stored in memory? So if I update changelog, I need to restart to see the change?

[outer drift]

yes

we found that the usecase is not worth the increas in calls

[solid dragon]

yea

heh, so if I filter by Installed -- it doesn't show Mod Manager, even though it's Installed checkbox is checked,

[outer drift]

always been the case yes

[solid dragon]

but BepInPack shows up

[outer drift]

bepinex is an exception aswell

[solid dragon]

and I used Mod Manager (1.3.6) to download the new version (2.0.0)

I did delete the old folder manually though

(I didn't bother to try running it with both present)

[outer drift]

I saw someone report not being able to, so hmm, happy it sometimes works i gues

but we cannot change existing mod manager

[solid dragon]

This is running under wine on Linux (where "delete open files" is allowed)

hmm, it doesn't detect TimberAPI as installed (it's in the plugins dir)

(and emits log messages)

but doesn't have a manifest.json

[outer drift]

manual and mod manager do not mix

manual doesnt generate manifest.json

therefore doesnt know it is installed

[solid dragon]

it did for bepinex though

(I guess another exception?)

[outer drift]

it didnt, its just custom logic to generate the json

i havent looked at that yet, as i didnt care about that really

[solid dragon]

ohh, confusing -- when you download from the details page, the Download button doesn't re-enable after the download is complete.

[outer drift]

i also didnt understand how the system works aswell, part of why i didnt bother

[outer drift]

correct, that version is now installed, you shouldnt need to click download again

[solid dragon]

yea, but all the docs say "wait until download button goes back to usable until you do anything else

[outer drift]

wut, where?

[solid dragon]

maybe only used to

[outer drift]

I mever removed any mention about that

[solid dragon]

I don't remember where I saw it 😦

okay, found a bug

I installed TimberAPI 0.6.3.1 (intentionally),

and now when I'm on the details page, it won't let me update to 0.6.5.0

[outer drift]

how did you install 0.6.3.1?

[solid dragon]

I chose 0.6.3.1 in the drop-down and clicked Install

If I choose a different version, then Update is enabled,

bu tit goes back to disabled when I select 0.6.5.0

(The Update button on the mod list view is enabled)

[outer drift]

i found the bug (probably) https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/4c5e787c26512ba6be5fd017f66a245a1eb66800/ModManager/AddonSystem/AddonService.cs#L122

i have been debating to remove that line, i dont know why its there, but its the reason for that bug

[solid dragon]

but I didn't do any download yet

[outer drift]

not sure if i depend on that behavior anywhere

you said you downloaded 0.6.3.1

[solid dragon]

yes, then I restarted TB

notice Installed version is 0.6.3.1

so it's more likely to be https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/4c5e787c26512ba6be5fd017f66a245a1eb66800/ModManagerUI/Components/ModFullInfo/DownloadButton.cs#L62

[outer drift]

what is wrong there then?

[solid dragon]

ohh,

CurrentFile = mod.Modfile;

at https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/4c5e787c26512ba6be5fd017f66a245a1eb66800/ModManagerUI/UiSystem/ModFullInfoController.cs#L77

so it's comparing the drop down version with the live version,

instead of the currently installed version

[outer drift]

i remember having a reason why that didnt make sense, but cannot think right now why

[solid dragon]

I assume QoL being shown as Qo L (and UI and U I) is because somewhere the code adds spaces before capital letters

[outer drift]

yea, already fixed that

[solid dragon]

oh? nice

[outer drift]

https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/ModManager/blob/4c5e787c26512ba6be5fd017f66a245a1eb66800/ModManagerUI/Components/ModManagerPanel/CustomRadioButtonGroup.cs#L44

[smoky fox]

yep, it was just an extra space in the code or localization (I don't know where it is).

[smoky fox]

exactly, the version is not mandatory, so the dropdown is unnecessarily empty - it didn't have to be displayed, and the Live version value lacks a dash when the version is missing

[solid dragon]

Maybe the format should be part of RadioButtonTagOption instead

and not CustomRadioButtonGroup

[outer drift]

oooh i like yea

thanks, will do, you know how to make issues, would you mind pasting that in

then i can try to learn how to resolve issues

[solid dragon]

yea, but I'd have to do it in the Timberborn-Modding-Central repo, because your fork doesn't have issues enabled

[outer drift]

there we go, i didnt know you had to enable them

[solid dragon]

forks don't have them enabled (by default), because generally projects want centralized issue tracking

[outer drift]

oooh, might be better then to do it there yes

[solid dragon]

done: https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/issues/56

[outer drift]

if you maybe see other stupid things, tell me, the code can be improved by a lot still

[solid dragon]

btw, did you do anything for when the modio call fails? it used to crash the game, I didn't check what it does now

[outer drift]

depends on where the call fails i believe

right now, will probably crash it

you mean regarding the vpn thing

or the socket thing?

[solid dragon]

I think the socket thing, I'm not sure what the vpn thing you mean is,

[outer drift]

thats an older issue, has todo with korean people crashing while using vpns or something

cannot remember correctly

[solid dragon]

I "accidentally" managed to reproduce it locally when I did a local build with an invalid api key 😂

[outer drift]

[solid dragon]

btw git doesn't handle the fact that github changes the commit slightly when merging them,

so if you want the commit graph to look pretty then you could use rebase instead of merge,

I struggle to get it right most of the time (it takes me a couple of tries to get it right),

so it's probably not worth bothering about

it probably easier to wait until all the changes are accepted, and then switch, because there are no pending changes to lose

[cyan nova]

Hello, I have a question. After I followed all the steps for instalation of mods I get this error in the bepindex console:

[Error : Unity Log] TypeLoadException: Could not load type of field 'ModManagerUI.ModManagerUIPlugin+<>c:<>9__1_0' (1) due to: Could not load file or assembly 'ModManager, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' or one of its dependencies.
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent(Type)
BepInEx.Bootstrap.Chainloader:Start()
UnityEngine.InputSystem.InputSystem:.cctor()

I tried already to look this error up, but I couldn't find any hits. Did I forgot to install a dependency?

[simple ridge]

Have you updated the game to u5 with that version of mod manager?

[long perch]

I have a suggestion to fix the occasional crash upon attempting to update mods. Instead of trying to delete the old mods straight away you could instead store the new mod inside a dedicate folder in the mod managers directories and then use the OnDestroy event to delete the old versions and move the new versions to the plugins folder

btw I was looking at this doc when I found that OnDestroy event: https://luascripting.readthedocs.io/en/latest/scripting/getting_started.html

[outer drift]

Crash?

[long perch]

Yeah, some mods just don't take well to trying to update while already loaded into the game. Sometimes I can somehow get around it by clicking remove mod before telling it to re-download the mod but there are still cases well that fails and it leaves an empty directory where the mod should be

[outer drift]

next time it happens, please share crash report

[long perch]

kk, assuming I remember anyways

[long perch]

Uh, didn't get a crash on this one but took me by surprise on a reboot. I "updated" the flywheels mod via the manager and when I rebooted and tried to start a new game TB crashed, the log revealed a missing flywheel prefix so I though they'd changed and I had to go change my custom mod for including them in GB faction, turned out the entire mod's folder had been wiped with nothing left

[outer drift]

I opened another PR for all the fixes and changes: https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/pull/58

it includes a Config that enables or disables the CrashGuardSystem as suggested by Todor

and interestingly for @simple ridge maybe. I added the option of doing the following in the blob:

CompatibleGameVersions: ["0.5.9.1"]```

[simple ridge]

but its good to have a range of versions

[outer drift]

this is for the usecase:

So we have this mod and tested it on stable. Does it work? yes, then add it to that list. Otherwise empty list.

[simple ridge]

well do we really test each version or do we allow it until we get a crash or bug report? 😛

thats why i use

---
MinimumGameVersion: 0.5.0.0
MaximumGameVersion: 0.5.99.0
---

[outer drift]

So the code is just, if we say in the blob that its compatible, make it green, otherwise we dont influence it

[outer drift]

The problem with taht is people gonna complain they crash bc of your mod

[simple ridge]

well that i can live with but to much maintenence and it will end with not updateing mods or set them as working

[outer drift]

In my opinion, in that instance it should just say orange

we dont know

[outer drift]

this is also for when it is not your own mod

I was more talking about us as admins to be able to influence the color, while still allowing the creator to indicate what they want

[outer drift]

@valid orchid what is your opinion on that?

I feel like indicating an version higher than the current game version should indicate orange, as at that point we dont know if it will work on a newer version 100% of the time. Indicating green would be lying i feel like.

[simple ridge]

well for my mods each main version all version will probobly work only at experimental stage it may break on each update and then i can set min and max to the same

[outer drift]

Never mind, TheBloodEyes made me realize that what I'm trying to do is prevent the chance of a plane crashing into my house with a complicated system to eliminate planes that are about to crash into my house using any means necessary.

Which is, regarding the chance of it happening, unreasonable.

[valid orchid]

It might be a bit unintuitive, but tobbert is adding a TestedCompibility or some similiar named prop.
So you can set only a minimum and it will be green on all those versions instead of orange.

The unintuitive part: would it be handy to be ["0.4.0.0", "0.5.9.1-0.5.99.0"] That you can add a range as well instead of specific versions. Just so you can set the who 0.5 branch green, without making it red for whenever 0.6 is released

Maybe a bit neater to make it ["0.4.0.0", "0.5.*"]

@simple ridge when experimental will be released, is it your plan to ad a min of 0.6.0.0 and a max of 0.6.99

[simple ridge]

can see a low use case compared to current system but will that then be replaced or whats the thought?
0.5.* is neat ya but could also be that it works on 5 until one point so could be 0.5.9.1 that is the last working version for some mod file and next starts from 0.5.9.2 so in that case it can realy be 0.5.99.0

Experimental if it works i will change it to have max 0.6.99 until noted that its broken 😉 and if broken repair it 1-2 months later or when experimental is more stable

[valid orchid]

Using it on such way will give users a unclear view over the status of the mod, the indicaters are there to help them understand what is broken, what works, and what is not tested yet.

Always making it green until someone in discord pings it is broken will give unclear view when it's most important

There is what the orange is for

[simple ridge]

but then how to tell its broken?

[valid orchid]

with the maximum

to come back to your first question btw, no it is not a replacement it's an addon

[simple ridge]

just think of not doing the system 2 complicated

[simple ridge]

hmm
so 2 different system that does nearly the same?

i thought it was:
no minimum/maximum version set = Orange
min/max within current game version = Green
min/max outside of current game version = Red

[valid orchid]

So you have:

MinimumGameVersion -> indicated which version it started to work (green when exact, orange above, red under)
MaximumGameVersion -> indicated which version it last worked on (all versions between min/max green, orange does not exist, red anything below min, above max)

TestedVersions(not settled on name) -> indicated which versions are working

[simple ridge]

ether way keep it all in one place is the best and not separate it to different places to keep it easy to maintain and understand

[valid orchid]

This is correct, but very strict. and gives not much help if you set it to always green with something like 0.5.0 to 0.5.99

[valid orchid]

What you mean

[simple ridge]

works until proven otherwise

[valid orchid]

Already said how it does not work

[simple ridge]

tobbert talked about adding info to blob and some info keep in the file changelog

[valid orchid]

info blob is just for moderators

[simple ridge]

what i mean is i assume it will work until i get an report that is stops working because its not likely to stop working on one version example U5 (stable branch)

if on experimental branch example U6 i would not set it to a range because there is a much higher risk of stop working there

[valid orchid]

The stable branch I agree on, that's seems fine. That's why I asked if you planned to do the same thing in experimental, and you said you would

[simple ridge]

but even if i do im one of the most active helpers in modding basics 😉 so would note the crash report pretty fast and can change the max range even on mobile

[valid orchid]

That would create almost the same scenario, and since you are the most active you probably test it yourself anyway. So you could make it green instead of red

Else the users are more likely to ignore the green icons, since it breaks anyway

[simple ridge]

okey that is a valid point

[valid orchid]

People see green, but it has less meaning since it could break anyway

Oh it was not a as you didn't understand my bad

[simple ridge]

i get your point for experimental i keep max at version known to work

so to be able to give an orange to mods that may work maybe just:

---
MinimumGameVersion: 0.5.0.0
MaximumGameVersion: 0.5.9.9
Untested: 0.6.0.0
---

if untested is set that and higher versions show as orange?

and when i have tested it i can do:

---
MinimumGameVersion: 0.5.0.0
MaximumGameVersion: 0.6.0.0
Untested: 0.6.0.1
---

[valid orchid]

Hmm there we had chosen

---
MinimumGameVersion: 0.5.0.0
TestedVersions: ["0.5.1"]
---

Only if it breaks you just add the max and youre done

Otherways its a min and max, and a untested but you don't know what the next version numbering will be

[simple ridge]

works good that 2 so:

no maximum at current and add the confirmed versions to show those versions as green
and if it breaks add maximum one as last testedversion 👍

[valid orchid]

Yep

And then my question of today was to maybe add something like a TestedVersions: ["0.5.*"] for stable releases, since there is a very small chance they break

or would not be needed ?

[simple ridge]

ya and/or range of versions

[solid dragon]

nit: info blob can now also be changed by mod author

[outer drift]

Oh i forgot

[valid orchid]

Not just when uploading, editing as well?

[solid dragon]

Correct, it was fixed

[solid dragon]

If you want the signals to be more clear, then maybe just remove orange? Then it's green for compatible, red for incompatibile, and nothing for unknown.

(although I do sort of like differentiating "tested good" vs "probably good")

[simple ridge]

Ya me to like the probobly good indicator

[valid orchid]

There is never a probably good one though, since it's known or it's not 😛

[solid dragon]

eeeh, probably compatible with a stable patch update, unlikely with an experimental update.

[sweet warren]

so I downloaded the water beaver mod and the mod manager wont mark it installed (did it manually) nor will it allow me to enable it

[valid orchid]

Mod manager does not work with manuall isntalls

[sweet warren]

well it's not working with a MM install either

like it's just not installing using MM

[valid orchid]

Gtg sleep now, but got any crash logs or something ?

[sweet warren]

no cause it doesn't crash I just click the download button and it wont do anything

like I click it then wait like 10 minutes and nothin happens

ok well I tried again and now it's installed, great

and it doesn't work, alright time to hop channels

[long perch]

Check all the dependencies the mod lists are actually installed, sometimes the MM fails to actually install them (or maybe it doesn't even try as yet, never actually checked if it does). Anyways I'm also going to get some shut eye so l8rs

[simple ridge]

Try upload the logoutput.log
https://mod.io/g/timberborn/r/troubleshooting-mod-setup#heading-8
When you have tried to download it

[sweet warren]

Nah cause I tried downloading it right after I said that and it worked so I guess I did something to stop the download or something

[simple ridge]

if you click on anything while it is downloading it will abort the download (atleast lower version than 2.0.0)

[sweet warren]

ahh

[valid orchid]

Nope, mod author can't do this. At least not in web page.

[solid dragon]

No one can do it in the web page. It's only changeable via the API.

[valid orchid]

moderators can do it

[solid dragon]

I doubt it

[valid orchid]

It wasn't a question, it was a statement 😛

They can do it

[solid dragon]

Do you have a screenshot?

[solid dragon]

ohh, interesting.

Then I'd say that's still a bug, because the API was fixed to allow the author to edit the metadata.

[valid orchid]

Pretty sure they didn't want to add it to the web, believe they said something like that.

because it's something in the game needs to happen

Which I still find half reasonable, when they allow management outside of the game.

[solid dragon]

Yea, but it doesn't make sense to me to allow moderators to change it, but not authors.

Especially if it's mutable via the API

It's not security at that point, only inconvenience.

[solid dragon]

I didn't think it was already available on the web UI, so I didn't think asking to add it to the web UI was worth it.

but if it's already on the web UI with just different ACLs, then totally worth asking to get the ACLs fixed (in the same way the API was)

[simple ridge]

or maybe is thought to be able to do from a custom integration of a game not by the user directly

[valid orchid]

This is the case I believe, but they support doing things on the web. So why would they have this option fixed. If they game developers could open it would be fine as well.

[wide notch]

I suddenly can't load the mod manager anymore. Yesterday I clicked "update all mods" and since then (or at least I suppose since then) the mod manager tab isn't available in the menu anymore. Where do I post the log?

[outer drift]

You can share here if you want

[outer drift]

Oh seems in the plugin folder a diplicate mod exists

I will make an issue

[outer drift]

I created an issue refering to your log. https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/issues/60

[brazen flax]

I see that the mod has been updated to v2.0.0. I have no clue when though. I'm running v1.3.6. Is there any reason I should update when it seems to be working just fine? I couldn't find a changelog that listed out the specific changes.

[solid dragon]

v2 has better support for update 5

it also has support for "compatible version metadata in the changelog" so it'll try and show if a given version will work with the currently installed game version

[brazen flax]

Alright, thank you.

[valid orchid]

I would not say this, but yes mostly alot or QoL and update 2.1 which comes soon™️ even better

[valid orchid]

I'll try to merg the new update before I go on holiday. Been a busy time

[unreal cave]

New translation

[long perch]

Just installed the newest mod manager and found out out it now insists on restarting if you try to quit after installing mod updates or simply downloading them. Could you re-add the option to simply quit, there are cases where I prefer to flat out quit, such as when I suspect the mod manager managed to screw up an update (like it did just now with modular roofs) and I want to remove the skeletal folder left behind by the screw up

[outer drift]

you have fullscreen probably, yes?

probably, didnt think of that

but you can alt f4 or close the application

[long perch]

Yes it's fullscreen and yes there's alt+f4 but that's besides the point. To start with alt+f4 is a rather harsh way to shut down an app/game. It can lead to corruption in unexpected places so should always be treated as last resort, not a default choice.

secondly there should always be a "quit" option even if the "reboot" option is not available, in this case both can be done and since you've already done the work for both both should be available.

[outer drift]

there is no difference though

[outer drift]

but its good to have the option, i agreed. Thats what this message was meant to say indirectly

was unclear, i agree

But i believe currently solution is just as factorio has it

[simple ridge]

hmm add a config for close behavior? "quit" vs "restart"?

But the bigger question i think is why did it fail to update the mod, do you have any logs from when it happens?

[long perch]

Would be better to just have both in the dialog, no need for a clunky config option that have to change every time you want the other

[winter patio]

Morning. Sorry for noob question, just got Timberborn a week ago and just started trying some mods.

The install process involves setting up Bepinex first then popping the mod manager into the plugin folders - all fine there works great and have been enjoying some qol mods.

However my question is related to the Bepinex visible within mod manager. Is Bepinex updated through the mod manager or is it something different?

Just confused as it seems a bit of a mod-inception if the mod manager, which is a plugin, is able to update the mod loader.

Am I crazy or is it something else lol?

[lean jolt]

Mod Manager run under BeepinEX (is just a mod like others). So, BeepinEX cannot be updated thru Mod Manager.

[winter patio]

Ok thanks, that's what I thought - just was confused that there is an option to download it in the mod manager, but I guess the mod manager is just scraping mod.io and includes Bepinex in that list. I shall ignore it and update manually if I see a new version 👍

[lean jolt]

Some mods may download BeepinEX, but, is under plugins folder, so, don't be tricked by that ...

[winter patio]

Understood

[outer drift]

you can click on it, but will not do anything. Its just that its convient for people to see when they have to download it the first time.

[outer drift]

which isnt necessairy for Timberborn for 99% certainty

[unreal cave]

Is the "update available" function bugged or scratched in version 2? Should show the 2-tall small storage mod.

[valid orchid]

It actually might be possible, if the dlls is not locked.

But not implemented, with an external one it can be downloaded and installed

[outer drift]

i thought this was working as intended, but i looked at it now and seems wierd i guess.

did you downgrade in that instance?

or was it updated while having the game open?

does restarting fix it?

[unreal cave]

No to all 3 questions.

[lean jolt]

I have the same issue updating Timber-commons. It keeps installing an old version. Had to delete it (from Manager without restarting, install again the old version and , only then, I manage to upgrade, all in the same session)....

[outer drift]

manually installling didnt work, or what you mean?

"manually"refering to selecting the specific version using the full mod page

oke, this line has to go: https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/blob/d5fef2befb0b5008f4c0708c0ad9533665b0b48c/ModManager/AddonSystem/AddonService.cs#L122

i need to rework that and all instances where modfile is directly updated at runtime

[unreal cave]

In V1 was although a line that showed the number of update available mods/maps and an update all button. There is now the enable/disable all buttons.

[outer drift]

still exists

only shows when more than 0 mods are updateable

[lean jolt]

Auto update didn't work and cannot select latest version to install on fresh Timber-commons install (but the 3 steps above worked)

[unreal cave]

Didn't show for me in this case with the 2-tall small storage mod.

[outer drift]

thanks, created the issue: https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/issues/61

[outer drift]

you also have the option (topright) disabled?

[lean jolt]

No, since I'm on experimental

[unreal cave]

For the ChooChoo mod it showed the update available button.
Recognized ChooChoo is marked green, 2-tall small storage is marked orange.
Could this be the problem with the update available button?

[simple ridge]

Can anyone test if game crashes if using modmanager 2.0.1 without internet access (before main menu)

[lean jolt]

Nope. I turned off my router, and, game crashes ONLY if I open Mod Manager, with the following error:

[simple ridge]

Ok weird 2 persons have had critical crashes with 2.0.1 🤔

[outer drift]

Wut, where? 2?

[simple ridge]

1:
https://discordapp.com/channels/558398674389172225/1064824959697944666/1218971373196804206
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064824959697944666/1218971372999676015/image.png?ex=66099a8e&is=65f7258e&hm=ff317f70d96a0182f006e92c6b778d9d9e2c7a2610027ea62f6c5e9cd197b311&

2:
https://discordapp.com/channels/558398674389172225/1064824959697944666/1218839730532126740

[outer drift]

its an error from not being able to load the type for some reason. and to me they both feel like user error

[simple ridge]

🤔 or corrupt download maybe

[outer drift]

Is there the plan to upload the manager to steam?

That does makes sense right, for poeple/mods that are not on both?

[valid orchid]

Judt make sure they know the mods come from mod.io and if you implement a steam addition ad well like a toggle

[winter patio]

Will modmanager bee needed with steam or is it an either/or situation

[outer drift]

I will update the modmanager to work with it atleast. So steam users will be able to see both when using the manager

[lean jolt]

Hope that will unique ID, or, some users may have duplicate mod(s) 😮 🤔

[outer drift]

Just prefix it with the platform

[lean jolt]

That's for those downloaded thru game. But, the one's manually downloaded ? The same ?

[outer drift]

Hmmm i guess at that point its the responsabiluty of the mod creator to prefix it?

[lean jolt]

and, to maintain 2 version of the same mod.... Most modders may stay on ModIO 🤔

[valid orchid]

Just dont do it manually . We now also cant do anything if its done manually

[outer drift]

Im thinking about making something in unity or something to manage that at the same time

[lean jolt]

Ideally, on both platform, same mod should have the same ID. And, the integrated mod manager and the actual one should check the specific file for the platform (steam version should check manifest.json for mod downloaded from ModIO and version. txt in the other case). In case that in such a file a version of a mod is founded, the corresponding subscribe or download button should be disabled. Sure, nothing to do with manual download 😭

[mint forum]

Did something change with Mod Manager in the last few months? I noticed that lately it will show no updates but when I look at a specific mod I know updated I can see it. Is it because that orange dot?

[outer drift]

Hmmm is installed then i understand, but now showing it

[mint forum]

also searching isn't working. Typed in "Automation" and it just shows all the mods

[outer drift]

dafuq

i cannot think of a reason why that would be the case

[mint forum]

Yeah I’m not sure but I am on a mac if that helps at all. I can try checking the version later maybe I have an older one somehow

[solid dragon]

orange/green dots are based on version information in the changelog for each version of the mod. Not all mods have version information and if it's missing then the orange dot is shown. If version information is present and compatible then green dot is shown, if present and incompatible then red dot is shown.

[mint forum]

Okay, so that’s not the issue here. Just have no idea why searching in mod manager is not working as expected.

[solid dragon]

in terms of versions offered to be updated, it's based on the currently "live version" of the mod, which is also manually chosen by the mod author,

so some mods could have newer versions but they won't be offered for "auto" update

[mint forum]

Yeah, in that case the live version was newer than my current installed version.

(All of that info is in the screenshot)

[solid dragon]

hmm, interesting

I don't think version information is required to offer to update, but it may

[mint forum]

Well, let me know if there's anything else I can provide to help debug this. I did check and my Mod Manager is up to date

"2.1.0"```

[solid dragon]

ahh, it looks like it only looks at orange versions in experimental mode

https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/blob/d5fef2befb0b5008f4c0708c0ad9533665b0b48c/ModManagerUI/UiSystem/ModManagerPanel.cs#L93

and https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/blob/d5fef2befb0b5008f4c0708c0ad9533665b0b48c/ModManager/AddonSystem/AddonService.cs#L153

[mint forum]

But the live version was newer than what I had installed .

[solid dragon]

so if @mint creek added version metadata into the changelog, then it should appear as green and be offered as an update

[mint forum]

Does it need to be in the changelog? the metadata.json file has the version information

[solid dragon]

I guess you could try adding it manually, that should be picked up by the code

uh, no -- that doesn't help

because the version that needs to be downloaded isn't cached locally,

(that file is also already updated to 2.0.3 right?)

[mint forum]

Yeah, I was able to tell the mod manager to install the live version just fine, so I guess the changelog is the solution here?

yes

[solid dragon]

yea,

[mint forum]

Okay thanks

[solid dragon]

The changelog shown at https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/toolshortcuts needs to be updated,

[mint forum]

Maybe it was updated after I took that screenshot?

But it seems to have the version information in there

[solid dragon]

No, it needs to be in a very specific format

Specifically this text

[mint forum]

Ah I see, thanks 🙂

[solid dragon]

CompatibleGameVersions is also supported, I'm not sure if any mods use it though

some mods have [Game Version 0.5.9], which is not supported

[outer drift]

Thats me before this was out, havent bothered to change

[mint creek]

Can someone please point me to the ModManager documentation or alternatively relevant source code for this changelog Metadata section, so that I could add that to my mod file changelog sections?
It should be sufficient if I use versions 4.0.0.0 and 5.0.0.0 to describe general updates.

[valid orchid]

Pretty sure its on the mod page itself on mod.io

[mint forum]

But replace 4.0.0.0 and 5.0.0.0 with 0.4.0.0 and 0.5.0.0 ?

[mint creek]

Does the game have a page with all versions and changelog?

[outer drift]

Not that im aware of, maybe the wiki?

[mint creek]

needs update. Use hyperlink to this thread btw

[mint forum]

No idea sorry

[mint creek]

What is wrong with ModManager? Why is it sniffing in that folder?

And no, I will not rename or change my folders. It is not supposed to do anything in there.
(Yes the folder name is literally mods_?, a name which is probably illegal on Windows - thus it fails on Wine. But ModManager has no reason to look at that folder.)

[outer drift]

you were so close to including the line, but i probably found the issue regardless. The reason its looking there is for possible files it needs to delete. I agree it should look in the mods root folder yes

[mint creek]

Haha, that first sentence is so confusing, what are you trying to say there? :P
It would be amazing if it restricts itself to BepInEx/plugins (not sure if it needs other locations). I hope that gets "fixed" in future.
I hope it only deletes files with the users consent. As else it would be potential unintentional data loss. Which I don't really want to support.

Also I am having multiple BepInEx/plugins folders. Just only one is rooted and used by the game.
Even more a reason to restrict ModManager to the correct folder.

[simple ridge]

Well it do need a folder to download to before replacing the old mod and it cant be inside plugins folder because then it may try to load 2 of the same mod at launch if downloaded but not installed

[outer drift]

The user will have indicated wanting to use the file, but the modmanager failed

Therefore retrying on load to see if the file is released

First line meant that you sent the error, just not showing where it was crashing, whcih would mkae it easier for me to find

[solid dragon]

The change log is parsed with https://github.com/Timberborn-Modding-Central/ModManager/blob/d5fef2befb0b5008f4c0708c0ad9533665b0b48c/ModManager/VersionSystem/ModIoFileExtensions.cs

I'm pretty sure that the ---'s (shown in the screenshot) are entirely optional, they're just used as a separator between the text and metadata.

[mint creek]

Thank you very much for this. This really helps to know exactly what to put there. Nice, then I can format it in a nice way.
Not exactly sure what metadata is. But I will use the Changelog text anyway.

[solid dragon]

The actual MetadataBlob can only be changed with the mod.io REST API, not from the regular html interface.

[mint creek]

Ahh, now I understand. That was not clear to me. I could have sent it to you real quick in that case. I will send a full stacktrace for the next issue immediately then. Shame on me for that. Please next time such thing happens, write: "Send the full stacktrace please". I would jump and run to get it then :)

[mint creek]

Hi @valid orchid, seems like you are creator on the ModManager Mod.io page. Can you update the modding channel reference to something up to date? (See replied to message).

[solid dragon]

/me is off to sleep, ciao

is off to sleep, ciao

[mint creek]

Makes sense, then we got two folders it has to access instead of all of them :P

I still wonder, if ModManager deletes anything, if so why and how.
Does anyone know the details? It is difficult to find it in the source code, as there is so much of it :P

[errant geyser]

Are you going to support update 6?

[brazen flax]

I haven't been following the convo closely, but there were plans for it before.

[simple ridge]

not mod development have offen taken time with each new experimental but in some or full capacity it should exist at launch to stable

[outer drift]

Yup, though sadly this and next week extremely busy with study and work, hopefully i can get some things done over the weekend

[brazen flax]

Take your time. There aren't enough mods updated yet anyway to need a mod manager!

[errant geyser]

Yeah that's true. Very few mods supported till now.

[simple ridge]

may also take a week or 2 for me to get a few mods updated

[brazen flax]

Also take your time. Experimental was just released. There's no rush. People have sluice gates to play around with.

[simple ridge]

But i want stairs 😆 (Crying👶 )

[brazen flax]

You mean ladders?
Or the curved stairs?

[outer drift]

same 😢

[errant geyser]

Same the ladder one. It should be default in game by now.😂

[brazen flax]

I can understand why it's not.

[simple ridge]

how do they carry stuff in there hand and clime the ladder 😛 and its to efficient you lose some complexity

[errant geyser]

Yeah. I stack storage and put just the ladder to access all the upper ones. It feels like cheating. 😂

[outer drift]

We are ingame again

[simple ridge]

How will we separete mods that go in mods folder and plugins folder🤔 add bepinex to changelog?

[valid orchid]

By just not support bepinex

[lean jolt]

Well, cannot react with another S 🤣

[outer drift]

Mod manager almost updated

it now uses some of the basegame systems

should be nice

[unreal cave]

New translation

[outer drift]

Update is now live on Mod.io

[simple ridge]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/mod-manager

[valid orchid]

https://thumb.modcdn.io/mods/c1be/2541476/crop_1280x720/timberborn_mod_manager_thumb.png

[outer drift]

Now its also on steam!

[mint forum]

So I grabbed ModManager from Steam workshop, tried to install a mod from mod.io with it and I'm seeing this error in Player.log.
The manager was able to fetch the dependencies correctly and can find them in Documents/Timberborn/Mods/ but the Game Speed Config mod isn't installing.

[outer drift]

could you share the player?

oh

xD

[mint forum]

yeah, sorry, was censoring my username 😛

[outer drift]

aah, no manifest found, i see, yea shouldnt break yea

[mint forum]

Could be because of how the mod packages itself? I noticed their zip file doesn’t contain a folder just mod files

[outer drift]

did you manually install that one?>

[mint forum]

I had previously but I removed it before trying to get modmanager to install it

[outer drift]

oke, very wierd, it crashed for me the first time

now it doesnt anymore

[outer drift]

should be fixed now 🙂

[mint forum]

Thanks 😄 Will test in a bit, not at my computer at the moment

[mint forum]

Also, would be nice if the ModManager could see that I have mods installed from Steam Workshop and use those as dependencies for things and not redownload them
Otherwise I get this:

But no worries if that's impossible, just sharing my experience

[outer drift]

Didnt think of that, but should be doable

[valid orchid]

It is

[outer drift]

you can just register it

i think

[valid orchid]

:0, what you could do ...
Is check for the name of the dependency and see if that matches the mod.io's dependency name.
Then check if that mod exists in the ModRepository then not download it.

Still fiddly though.. because the general name must match.

---

Other weird thing you could do is check if it has any missing dependency based on manifest then just download all 😅

Just some random ideas

[mint forum]

Hmm, with version 3.0.1 of ModManager, looks like I get this crash when I hit "Exit to Main Menu" from the in-game menu

v0.6.1.2-760fc97-xsm
AddonInstallerException: Addon installer with id: `Map` is already added to the list
ModManager.AddonInstallerSystem.AddonInstallerRegistry.Add (System.String installerId, ModManager.AddonInstallerSystem.IAddonInstaller addonInstaller) (at <16718fb2160d4df8a137093c38990aaa>:0)
ModManager.MapSystem.MapRegisterer.Load () (at <16718fb2160d4df8a137093c38990aaa>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.LoadSingletons () (at <87bd47c33df940b08880ed0a5853f2bb>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.LoadAll () (at <87bd47c33df940b08880ed0a5853f2bb>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleAdapter.Start () (at <87bd47c33df940b08880ed0a5853f2bb>:0)

[lean jolt]

@outer drift , can I dare to ask if it is possible to add ModIO downloaded mods to the ingame Load order mods startup window (with the same possibility to disable mods, of course) ❓ 🤔

[simple ridge]

They should show up when restarted as local mods🤔

[lean jolt]

Nope, none of the mimic's mods (installed from ModIO with ModManager, are not in the startup window ....

[valid orchid]

Because those are bepinex mods

mimic never updated them to an actual mod

[lean jolt]

I know, that's I asked if is possible to add those mods to the ingame start-up lod order window ....

[simple ridge]

Not without him updating them to mods from plugins

is they even installed in plugins folder where they need to go to work

[lean jolt]

To be clear, it's not about mimic's mods (was only an example). It's about ModIO mods that works only with BeepinEX ...

[simple ridge]

I would say its up to mod author to update it to mods not modmanager to do a hotfix

[valid orchid]

No it is not possible, because they are bepinex mods. And they are not compatible with the new system

[simple ridge]

Found a new bug:
looks like some part of bepinex is helping when you launch but without it and only mod manager and harmony this person get a crash
i have no time to verify the crash
#🚀mod-users message

[solid dragon]

bepinex mods are all loaded before the ingame mods load order window even shows,

(I assume)

[solid dragon]

btw, I got Harmony (2.3.3) and Mod Manager (3.0.1 ) to work fine.

(with game version 0.6.1.0)

It's possible that 0.6.2.0 has broken mods again

It would be nice if Harmony reported which patch failed,

[valid orchid]

It does that if the patch fails, if the code inside the patch fails it does not

[outer drift]

oh its this?

[mint forum]

yeah

[outer drift]

I just dont understand the code

[outer drift]

Oke, probably fixed it

[errant geyser]

Will test.

[outer drift]

someone on steam said it was fixed for him

[errant geyser]

Yeah that is fixed.
One issue. If you select update 6 and mod filter and then scroll down to see the results.
Then the filters are ignored.

[outer drift]

Wut, for me it works fine