Water Beaver Overhaul | Timberborn | Page 65

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 8:54 AM

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absolutely!

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yet in game.. a season is kinda lasting longer than a beavers life

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so it might lower population a little before spring. not sure

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 8:56 AM

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i dont think its that uncommon for pop to drop a bit in winters 🙈

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also maybe increase chance for getting diseases/sick?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 8:57 AM

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yeah, got that proposal too. increase overall probability of any bad luck..

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decrease them some for summer

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not sure yet

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 8:58 AM

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sounds fair. btw whats the main concept of autumn?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 8:58 AM

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harvest

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 8:59 AM

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so doo they have a buff for faster harvest too?

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maybe a boost to carrying capacity would also be good

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 8:59 AM

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settings are kinda: rainy, slight contamination.
work efficiency is slightly up, hunger slightly down.

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carrying hardly does anything if it's not big bonus

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 9:00 AM

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we shuld move to your channel i guess

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:05 AM

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Well, it does affect whitepaws. Like my maps. I could put them in a map thread while developing them, but I like getting feedback of WhitePaw players here.

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Paper is now powered and the tent has been condemned and planned for destruction by the beaver council.

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 9:08 AM

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just helps keep ideas in one place so easier to go back and find 😅

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:08 AM

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True

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 9:33 AM

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What does calculatorium do?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:34 AM

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It is the brain of WhitePaws automation.

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For any 1.0+ automation to work you need one (or more)

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Igor's advanced automation mod does not need it.

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Though you may still need it for the sensors to function. Not 100% sure on that one.

I just build it so I have it available for some things I really like.
(Or if I am testing for Lapan)

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 9:38 AM

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Ty. And seems there's no population sensor?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:39 AM

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I do not beleive so.

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It exists but has been locked out. It may not be finished.

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 9:46 AM

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So much cheese...

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:48 AM

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Where did your population go? You should have nearly a thousand with that many buildings I would think.

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 9:49 AM

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not connected to paths it seems :P

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 9:49 AM

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lol see all the red icons

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:49 AM

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Ah. Lapan declared that cheating. 😛

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That what you meant by cheese?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 9:49 AM

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why not build regular dams?

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 9:49 AM

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there are no regular dams

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 9:50 AM

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like the dams of whitepaws. they can go upto 2 tall easily

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:50 AM

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devout obsidian there are no regular dams

You mean like these?

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 9:50 AM

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1.65*

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:50 AM

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They go even higher once you have sequoias.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 9:50 AM

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with (later) upgrade 4.65 even. but needs sequoia first

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:51 AM

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I have a bunch on top of buildings too.

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devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 9:52 AM

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That white wall in the middle was built in ~30hrs nonstop after sandworm chewed through badpipe. No way I would be able to erect dams so quickly, Would wipe me out. And there are thorns in some places that prevent placing larger structures.

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Would love to challenge lapant or anyone else to play this map without "cheating". Even that screenshot should be marked spoiler lol. And it's normal mode, not hard.

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:57 AM

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It is officially suggested NOT to play WhitePaws in default hard mode. 😛

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 9:58 AM

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it is possible, just a pain

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same with that map. plenty strategies to avoid those or refactor them

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 9:59 AM

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i play with bad tides disabled for like first 20 cycles....

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 9:59 AM

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cloud flax i play with bad tides disabled for like first 20 cycles....

That would not help you here😆

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 9:59 AM

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Beavers are dying right and left on me due to a drought that went a bit too long and I'm running slightly easier than normal.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:00 AM

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still frigate Beavers are dying right and left on me due to a drought that went a bit too long...

blame the map maker haha

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:00 AM

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btw, where are you in tech tree rn?, like recent science upgrades and what you plan on upgrading next?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:00 AM

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radiant arch blame the map maker haha

Oh, I do. Beleive you me!

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:01 AM

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cloud flax 1.65*

Not filling the extra 0.3 of water feels like such a waste

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:02 AM

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you can then build the acutal floodgate dams. they can go from 0-2 but are much more expensive

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:03 AM

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cloud flax btw, where are you in tech tree rn?, like recent science upgrades and what you p...

Asking me or Londo?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:03 AM

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not much. just the blueprint and some metal

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:03 AM

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still frigate Asking me or Londo?

Londo

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:04 AM

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cloud flax btw, where are you in tech tree rn?, like recent science upgrades and what you p...

Getting a second and third alchemist. Waiting for second batch of methane rn.

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:04 AM

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like around cycle 15 is when summers will start so would be interesting to see where a newer person is in tech tree to see balancing

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:04 AM

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devout obsidian Getting a second and third alchemist. Waiting for second batch of methane rn.

so you got the workshop?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:04 AM

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early industrial + mining

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sounds about right for seasons

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:05 AM

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yeah

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summer productivity will help quite a bit

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:06 AM

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cloud flax so you got the workshop?

Yes, Got about 750 science from relics, otherwise would not even be there.

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:08 AM

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can see ziplines, ropemaker, large farmhouse. looking good!

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:08 AM

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I was down to 8/250+ with drink at the end of the drought. I'm not sure the beer is keeping them alive.

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:08 AM

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all sut up to start growing pop for industries

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i think you should be more dehydrated after having a beer hahaha

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:09 AM

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Not beer. Beer is mostly water.

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:10 AM

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but what's the science strat without relics? just slowly accumulate for 10 cycles?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:10 AM

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cloud flax i think you should be more dehydrated after having a beer hahaha

Ever had "real" everclear? Not the tamed stuff, but the stuff so strong it dries your mouth out when it hits.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:10 AM

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scaling and prioritising library needs

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gives pretty decent output for the advanced recipe

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:11 AM

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radiant arch scaling and prioritising library needs

that's bottlenecked by the single alchemist anyway

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:11 AM

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still frigate Ever had "real" everclear? Not the tamed stuff, but the stuff so strong it drie...

i very recently started drinking so have to explore a whole lot. but not sure i wanna try it out... 🙈

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:12 AM

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devout obsidian that's bottlenecked by the single alchemist anyway

you can tripple alchemist output by well-being pretty early

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but yeah, it's by design you want more of them early

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:12 AM

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Everclear (151 or 190 proof) is a 75.5%–95% ABV grain alcohol classified as a Class 1B flammable liquid, requiring careful handling. Modern bottles feature a reduced warning, typically stating "WARNING: FLAMMABLE LIQUID. HANDLE WITH CARE" on the rear label, replacing a formerly prominent front-label fire warning, according to legal complaints and company rebranding. 

Key Warning Label Information:
- Flammability: The primary warning highlights that Everclear is highly flammable and should be kept away from heat, sparks, and open flames.
- Safety Advice: It is advised to use only in well-ventilated areas and not to use near open flames or stoves.
- Consumption Warning: Often labeled as "not intended for direct consumption" or needing to be diluted, as it can cause rapid, dangerous intoxication.```

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:12 AM

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devout obsidian that's bottlenecked by the single alchemist anyway

you would need a meadium mine for quartz for the alchemy sets btw

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:13 AM

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yeah, so that's 300 (?) for the workshop and 150(?) for the medium mine. and a good setup for scrap metal to keep it running

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also proper big resin farming and some

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:13 AM

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cloud flax you would need a meadium mine for quartz for the alchemy sets btw

yes it's in there already

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:14 AM

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pretty likely need 1k science points by that point i guess (to make additional alchemists)

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which might be 1-2 cycles with the better library recipe

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and 2-3 to get to that (first alchemist)

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:16 AM

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radiant arch which might be 1-2 cycles with the better library recipe

maybe if you don't need explosives or medicine

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:16 AM

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priorities

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medicine is super cheap and fast to make

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:16 AM

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I often skip the medicine at this point. I really shouldn't becuase the recipes are so much better now.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:16 AM

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so can switch recipes for that

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making planks form giant logs with crappy blades takes science points haha

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:18 AM

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radiant arch making planks form giant logs with crappy blades _takes_ science points haha

REALLY?!!! Wow! I never noticed the negative hit.

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I obviously need to pay better attention.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:19 AM

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yeah, no early way beside library it seems.. too bad..

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:20 AM

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still frigate REALLY?!!! Wow! I never noticed the negative hit.

given default rate is -5 per day it's kinda unnoticable either way

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did 6.2.9 add science points to blueprints?

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6.2.8 not has them. but that might make early game science much easier tbh

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if they had like 50 science points per blueprint or so

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:21 AM

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yes, 50 points with each blueprint

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:21 AM

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awesome!

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:21 AM

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But only for research, not copying.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:21 AM

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of course

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would be so exploitable otherwise haha

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:22 AM

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they still need the damn salts

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:22 AM

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yes, they never will have enough salts

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:22 AM

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The salts are key. Have you noticed the salt burner yet?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:22 AM

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very helpful to invest in medium badwater pump early

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:23 AM

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still frigate The salts are key. Have you noticed the salt burner yet?

yes. it's taking virtually none, so it's fine

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:23 AM

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radiant arch very helpful to invest in medium badwater pump early

I --hate-- that thing and skip it whenever possible.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:23 AM

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they kinda aren't very efficient in attacting beavers

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:23 AM

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still frigate I --hate-- that thing and skip it whenever possible.

reasonable. but recently they kinda make sense to speed up library science for a while

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:23 AM

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(I keep saying that and Lapan will find a way to make it mandantory)

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:24 AM

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i mostly have skipped it and diectly went for big bad water pump

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:24 AM

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still frigate I --hate-- that thing and skip it whenever possible.

lol why

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:24 AM

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well, you need enough population to run the bucket version to similar level..

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:24 AM

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i had suggested locking it behind clock work parts. not sure if thats there or not.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:25 AM

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oh, btw: you can seal badwater in with the medium pump and have it pressurise and last a little longer into drought if map allows it

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:25 AM

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cloud flax i had suggested locking it behind clock work parts. not sure if thats there or n...

the big one is

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it's post-ENS now

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:25 AM

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yeah. makes medium one mandatory now then

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:26 AM

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still needs 2-3 medium pumps for library era

cloud flax Apr 12, 2026, 10:26 AM

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cant imagine getting ENS only on buckettign post lol

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:26 AM

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or 10 buckets

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with 30+ prisons??

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remembering the super-powered library days and rush-to-ens the current nerfed versions make so much more sense

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:30 AM

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radiant arch or 10 buckets

Half that right now.

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 10:32 AM

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well, since wps hate unconnected buildings so much, they can cause unhappiness

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already hating myself for that idea😆

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:33 AM

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nah, it's fine. others disable badtides instead. i used them at times of need myself.

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:35 AM

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cloud flax cant imagine getting ENS only on buckettign post lol

The trick is keeping busy with so many other projects the ENS blueprins sorta sneak up on ya.

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I also just now realized what would fix the medium pumps for me. The door and the intake blades need to be opposite each other!

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:40 AM

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would that change much?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:41 AM

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For me, yes!

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:41 AM

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i usually put them against a wall and dig way in when ready

shell fiber Apr 12, 2026, 10:41 AM

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That's not an exit symbol, it's a hauler symbol 😅

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:42 AM

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I like to stagger build. How they are wastes two levels of space instead of the acceptable one level.

shell fiber Apr 12, 2026, 10:43 AM

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Should still work 🤔

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:43 AM

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did work for me with 3m+ deep water, when colliders were added

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:44 AM

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shell fiber Should still work 🤔

I should have tried.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:44 AM

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still frigate I like to stagger build. How they are wastes two levels of space instead of th...

oh that makes sense!!

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would be even cooler for that to have door on the side ?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:45 AM

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@radiant arch How they are now the blades are always centered on the P&L door.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:45 AM

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what a waste of population haha

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:46 AM

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I need more haulers.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:46 AM

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tower upgrades?

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they even walk faster

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:48 AM

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radiant arch tower upgrades?

I made configs for them this time. I just forgot why I did so. 😛

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radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:49 AM

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that was the thing i wanted to suggest for replatform! replacing towers with ziptowers!

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:49 AM

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radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:50 AM

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looks like you got plenty potential there

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:50 AM

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Yeah. I had just forgot why. My brain can be my worst enemy, especially if playing sober.

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Oh yeah. The need ladders unlocked to not be annoying.

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Put this on pause until I have ladders.

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radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:53 AM

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can use platform and stairs here too

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and a bridge i guess

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:55 AM

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This one yes, but not the other one.

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Speaking of stairs, I sorta went crazy on these two.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 10:59 AM

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currently they stack well like this

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 11:00 AM

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How do you enter your pumps here? Curious what you did.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:00 AM

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forgot to enter the lowest pump

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would have needed 1 or 2 dynamite for that one

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idea is always to have badwater on the other side of dam. or ground

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given there's 2 tiles between inlet and door a lodge always fits

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it's the main use of broken cart dynamite to make something like this for me

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 11:03 AM

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So the bad water is coming down like a waterfall right?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:03 AM

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yes

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for a river i'd have them side-by-side

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needs more dynamite for those

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:05 AM

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still frigate So the bad water is coming down like a waterfall right?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 11:06 AM

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That is pretty cool.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:06 AM

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might be the reason behind the door-side choice i wonder

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 11:06 AM

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No place for that on -this- map.

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It could be done on level 2.

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Amusing. I am pumping so much water my field isn't filling.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:11 AM

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this one wouldn't save beds .. hmm

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this one would if you used dynamite on the stairs

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could just put the pumps against the walls and skip the hauler here..

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 11:13 AM

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radiant arch this one would if you used dynamite on the stairs

I wouldn't do that one without ladders.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:14 AM

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why?

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tunneling is super cheap given how much you get back

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:15 AM

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radiant arch this one would if you used dynamite on the stairs

guess a dam would do too for the hauler lodge?

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 11:17 AM

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The water here is over 3 deep. In a badtide it would flood the tunnels.

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radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 11:18 AM

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seal tunnel with lodge?

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but yeah, if you can feed the beavers, the p&l is just as good

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 11:19 AM

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The other river isn't even 1 deep. /laughs

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 12:25 PM

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Another build and delete project that will eventually give me 3 more water canons since the two I have aren't keeping up with my water pumps.

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@radiant arch With the priorities you suggested I am getting berries in my library.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 12:35 PM

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nice productivity!

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 1:05 PM

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@shell fiber -visually- the 30° are off, but functionally they are fine.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 1:51 PM

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@shell fiber did push a patch for the valve that forces the UI to never go above limit. it's now auto-enabled for whitepaws too.

this should work for automation too, but will not fix saves till they touch the slider i believe.

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 2:10 PM

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regarding the flipping i asked the devs if they would add the fix.
it's possible but i would avoid doing patches on it for now, in case they would consider supporting this.

abstract vector Apr 12, 2026, 5:27 PM

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Anyone know what it would take to make edge battery mod work with waterbeavers?

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 5:55 PM

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likely not more than 2 json files

radiant arch Apr 12, 2026, 6:19 PM

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it most likely just needs to be added to the TemplateCollection (either by appending one or appending it in FactionSpec) and maybe adjusting the costs for the building.
if it supplied a spec to allow edge building it might be another option to append that to existing grav batteries even.

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loaded the mod and this seems to be added by it:

 "EdgeBatterySpec": {
    "CapacityPerTile": 2000
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  "EdgeBatteryVisualizerSpec": {
    "PositionTransformName": "#Weight.FolktailsMisc",
    "ScaleTransformName": "#Rope.FolktailsMisc"
  },

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so replacing GravBattery in regular batteries for whitepaws with this likely would do the trick. maybe need to fix occupation too.

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for that you need to make a file with exact filename of whitepaws battery it should patch, put the changes into them
and add the edge battery mod as dependency in mod manifest.json

devout obsidian Apr 12, 2026, 6:33 PM

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Should be using waste stones. Charge the battery by loading them in and they get lowered away to the abyss 🤣

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 8:38 PM

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We shall soon known if I have done enough or if the bad tide breeches my dams again.

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Yes and no. The colony start was protected. The bad water went around the dams on the rice and lily fields. It is also hovering dangerously close to going over the reinforced dams at the lily fields.

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I should have blown the levee sooner. Also, this farm was lost. Apparently this is my map's overflow drain that I built the farm in.

still frigate Apr 12, 2026, 10:22 PM

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Tool, part of Igor's advanced automation mod, can do mass pause and unpausing. It is so extremely useful!

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minor bitch about the game in general: I really wish beavers wouldn't leave gaps liek this unless priority dictates it. Which it doesn't here. /sigh

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:32 AM

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@shell fiber I believe we have a bug here.

I can build the calculatron in the first and second images, but not the third. The main difference? The third is a pair of P&L lodges. lined up with the P&L part of the calculatron. The ladders even line up.

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:52 AM

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@shell fiber You were asking me to test automation as I played. Here is a success. A depth sensor and a gate. As soon as the sensor is wet the gate closes. When their tasks is gone, beavers can still pass through it back to the colony (as designed) but no more will go down the ladder to their doom.

In this case I still had a couple of sick beavers because they stubbornly kept salvaging that scrap as the bad water flowed. They are being treated.

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:30 AM

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@shell fiber Just to verify: You intended for the water cannon spray to block zip lines, yes?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 3:01 AM

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@radiant arch My colony has reached level 2 and are exploring and building. I don't know it it is possible, but I am gong to attempt a layer breech (at the far left zip pylon) and setup a zipline between level 1 and 2.

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This is roughly the breech I will attempt. That angle is probably too steep but I need to dynamine a tunnel to find out my limitations and options.

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Here is something else I didn't think of when I designed this map. If I could capture and redirect that column of water over to the aqueduct, then the shallow river of bad water on level 1 will dry up and give easy access to all that metal.

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A side view

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Arrrgh! The weather station is too tall for the place I allocated for it.

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Exchanged it with a hauler tower. All is good now.

wary panther Apr 13, 2026, 4:09 AM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> I believe we have a bug here. I can build the calculatron...

Yeah, i had also reported some of the voxels on the calculatorium seemed to have wrong occupancy/support/watertight #1070709592176197642 message

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I didn't get to play this weekend so I haven't re-tested 6.2.9, though

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 4:20 AM

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I had to add another balloon (still building) but WhitePaws can zip-line through the first and second layers!

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 4:49 AM

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Drought preparations... it wont be enough

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 5:44 AM

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abstract vector Anyone know what it would take to make edge battery mod work with waterbeavers?

what's this mod about ?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 5:46 AM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> I believe we have a bug here. I can build the calculatron...

hmm... well you can't exactly plant those decorative trees in the roof of another building 🤔

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 5:48 AM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> I believe we have a bug here. I can build the calculatron...

oh, actually no that's not a problem 🤔

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 5:49 AM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> I believe we have a bug here. I can build the calculatron...

aaah, i see, should be able to sit on a P&L lodge indeed

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 5:52 AM

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still frigate Drought preparations... it wont be enough

They used it all. But... no one is thirsty... yet. It takes more than a day for new water to get to them.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 5:52 AM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> **Just to verify:** You intended for the water cannon spr...

side effect, not really wanted to block the lines, but having the cannon be able to shoot water through solid structures or ground is worse

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 6:06 AM

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Instead of "Chain Lightning" we have "chain water"? 😛

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 6:24 AM

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All my processed supplies have been steadily swindling. I was really confused. Then I saw it. I had turned off primitive sawblades. Doh!

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 7:15 AM

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still frigate Here is something else I didn't think of when I designed this map. If I could c...

I did it, but it was too much for the drains and flooded the paws. So I blocked the original source and let it spill over the side into this level's river.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 7:41 AM

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reworked the dams hitboxes and made custom construction sites

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and if yous stack everythign at once

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:12 AM

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This will be so nice.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:20 AM

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@radiant arch what was the deal witht he sequoias ? dead ones won't be cut if there's a path on the flag spot ?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:21 AM

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iirc any wont cut with path on flag spot

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:21 AM

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radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:21 AM

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radiant arch iirc any wont cut with path on flag spot

if the feller marked them for cutting next it would stop working at all

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:22 AM

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okay, but removing hte path solved it right ?

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and the usual grapes around them did not matter

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:22 AM

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shell fiber and the usual grapes around them did not matter

oddly enough, no. chestnuts neither

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:22 AM

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so i'll make them also occupy the "path" in that spot and that shoudl solve it

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at the expense of a few sequoia dying a horrible death

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:24 AM

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you can't plant another plant on the tile with the flag, could you?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:33 AM

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that was never possible in the first place

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i just realised that the giant log storage was just as f*cked as the giant log feller 😓

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i'll have to dig into the U7 version to figuure out what the rigth data was, maybe even older

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:38 AM

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@shell fiber It was asked earlier about the population sensor. Do you have it disabled for a reason?

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Finally!!! ENS pre-launch. Copying time.

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It is ONLY day 460. /sigh

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:52 AM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> It was asked earlier about the population sensor. Do you ...

I made it because it was a zero effort tasks, but it's too easy to abuse it to artificially control your population I believe, so I don't really want it in the game.

But you can use it if you need it for legitimate purposes

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:53 AM

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I don't have a use for it.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:53 AM

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Maybe I actually worry too much about that though 🤔

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:53 AM

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One of the only ones I never used anywhere.

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I just remember being asked.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:55 AM

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Oh right, that reminds me : making the calculatorium blueprint locked is not a good idea. The most important sensor are the depth and contamination ones anyway

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Which means : I need to blueprint - lock something else 🤔

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But I don't have a good idea, best candidate seems like the assembly line ?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:56 AM

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science cost of those is a good lock already imho

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 8:56 AM

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Science cost can be lowered 🤔

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:56 AM

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kinda pondering if it was cruel to require a processor for sensors?

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might kill the purpose though 🙂

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blueprint for assembly lines feels odd imho.. there's only so few to build.. kinda nicely balanced too rn.
and things like medium badwater pump are too cheap.. what else is there pre-ENS that might use them?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 9:00 AM

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hmm... i considered it, or some other 'sensor' item, but that would push it too far tech wise and / or add clutter

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still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:01 AM

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Always amuses me when balloons travel through the ground. Don't know why.

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Various droughts and bad tides killed my vanity trees. 😛

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:02 AM

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balloons again? for the blueprints? kinda double cost given they take exploration too..

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Nox Will?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:04 AM

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I always wondered why the big drills weren't blueprinted, but now they are ENS kocked so it is irrelevant.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:05 AM

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same with advanced sawmill or big badwater pump.. all pushed late already when blueprints no longer make any difference

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 9:06 AM

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fixed at last !

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:06 AM

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And we have a lot of blueprints.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:07 AM

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still frigate And we have a lot of blueprints.

looks like the emergency snack corner HappyFT

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:08 AM

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LMAO

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Such variety in flavours

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 9:17 AM

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radiant arch looks like the emergency snack corner <:HappyFT:887645571622510614>

don't give me ideas...

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i could make them edible...

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:19 AM

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shell fiber i _could_ make them edible...

That is a disaster waiting to happen /laughs

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@shell fiber If it isn't too difficult, would you be willing to add one of these in-range indicators to the top of the balloons?

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:47 AM

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shell fiber I made it because it was a zero effort tasks, but it's too easy to abuse it to a...

No need to be psyched about pop control, just add spaying option to the clinic, beavers happy, management happy, win win🫣

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 9:48 AM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> If it isn't too difficult, would you be willing to add one...

not sure i understand what you mean ?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:53 AM

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@shell fiber That ring on the bottom lights up if within range of another zip line piece. All other have this on top which makes it easy to see.

images: In range and out of range.

cloud flax Apr 13, 2026, 9:54 AM

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shell fiber Which means : I need to blueprint - lock something else 🤔

Maybe the water cannons?if you make them more powerful, they can work well with the Autumn plan as well

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 9:57 AM

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oh it is just misplaced

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regarding the blueprint issue, thanks to @radiant arch's script removing the valve's infinite output i think it's safe to say the floodgate is fine as it is for now

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for now

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 10:00 AM

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shell fiber oh it is just misplaced

Yes. Very hard to see under there when one builds from above.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 10:00 AM

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but to be fair i still want to improve it a bit 🤔

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already a lot better

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 10:08 AM

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My view when I build.

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unrelated: I love the side-sticking indicators.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:37 AM

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@radiant arch what was the deal with berry juice already ? it didn't make sense ?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:38 AM

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it overlapped the cereal bears or something like that?

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not remember it well

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:41 AM

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oh right, cereal bars are much better was it ?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:43 AM

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juice gives 0.2 berry-need + thirst
cereal bar gives 0.1 berry and 0.1 sunflower

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as there is no other efficient sunflower food, it would fill berry need itself

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so even if juice is more efficient and can help with thirst, they not would need it since berry need is filled otherwise?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:47 AM

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cereal bar takes 3 berries (0.6 total value) and makes 22x0.1=2.2 total value -> x3.6
berryjuice takes 5 berries (1.0 total) to make 20x0.2 = 4.0 total value -> x4

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so i think berry juice is slightly more efficient

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at the expense of screw axles though ... hmm...

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:49 AM

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it is and it's really nice in idea

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just in practice they'd either have to skip on sunflower or overeat berries need to ever use it

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:51 AM

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hmm... what if we made wine from berries with the winery ?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:52 AM

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no more grapes?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:56 AM

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no, you can do both

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if you have too many berries somehow

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:56 AM

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GMO makes too many anyway

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but how to fill grapes need without wine??

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 11:57 AM

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can brambles now go up & down 1 level & even grow partially submerged?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:57 AM

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and why have grapes only for science when science at some point becomes meaningless?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:57 AM

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radiant arch but how to fill grapes need without wine??

what ?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:57 AM

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radiant arch and why have grapes only for science when science at some point becomes meaningl...

???

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:57 AM

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don't beavers have grapes need?

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and need only 25% of actual grapes if drinking wine?

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 11:58 AM

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whats a darstedly change, i thought i was safe with a moat around my build area but brambles climbed down a block into .75 deep water then grew up on the other side! Darstedly evil

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 11:58 AM

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no, wine only gives the wine need

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grapes give grape need

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:59 AM

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only other point i can remember grapes to appear is ENS science. and once wonder is unlocked that's no longer needed.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 11:59 AM

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heavy spruce whats a darstedly change, i thought i was safe with a moat around my build area ...

they also ignore contamination. they only can dry after about 1000 days (or flooded >1m - no breaks, or they revive)

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:00 PM

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ooooh, evilness upgrade!

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So does bad water now irrigate them too?!!

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:00 PM

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if it's less than 50% contaminated, yes

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:00 PM

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wait, is badwater now feetilizer to brambles?!?!!!!!!!

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:00 PM

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kinda 🙂

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:01 PM

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What would be super evil, like maniacal laughter evil, is if they die from too much badwater they turn into those unkillable torns!

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:02 PM

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shell fiber no, wine only gives the wine need

using berries on it could work in this case. there's plenty berries available, so if there's too few grapes it can save space (and help with winter).

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to make wine

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:03 PM

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heavy spruce What would be super evil, like maniacal laughter evil, is if they die from too m...

i was told not to make them SadFT

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:03 PM

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you can make it as an optional difficulty booster add on mod 🥹

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:04 PM

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haha, at some point! (worried for my backlog.. was asked for badwater-thriving plants too.. like reverse badwater and moisture effect on them...)

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:05 PM

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Ooooh sounds cool! The current play is to force bad water off the map, or shut it down, so of there was somewhere you had to use it (in a large area, not just to harvest a bit of it)

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it might also be interesting to add a resource you can only get by killing a tree (including bushes) with bad water

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 12:09 PM

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radiant arch haha, at some point! (worried for my backlog.. was asked for badwater-thriving p...

but that means they wouldn't grow on normal wet ground ?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:09 PM

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Brambles will also use the lower water levels of a drought to "walk across the bottom" of places they couldn't go before. All of this is drought-spread.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:10 PM

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shell fiber but that means they wouldn't grow on normal wet ground ?

they'd dry - i believe it was for a badwater themed faction that wanted to dry out and contaminate the world or something

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:10 PM

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so you purposely have to flood & dry out an area
Plan birch trees -> flood with badwater till dead -> harvest toughened birch tree skins

Plant berries -> badwater till dead -> magic-infused berries

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:11 PM

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still frigate Brambles will also use the lower water levels of a drought to "walk across the b...

it looks like the brambles dropped 2 blocks there?
Mine have only been able to drop 1 block

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:12 PM

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Optical illusion. They only go down 1 at a time.

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:12 PM

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phew

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:12 PM

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But a really low drought allowed that other level down.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:12 PM

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still frigate Optical illusion. They only go down 1 at a time.

for now. had to take a break on it, but they will go down more than that at some point (like: drop seeds down the cliff)

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:13 PM

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i wonder what a white paw beaver high on brain-boosting salts & magic-infused berries could do… they might not even need a zipline to fly!

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:13 PM

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This view shows heights better.

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:19 PM

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is there an option to turn down fire illumination from the brightness of 1000 suns?
The mine and primitive ironwork are glowing bright enough to put an angel's halo to shame 😅

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:21 PM

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This level surprises me. I'm on day 494 and they have just crossed the land bridge. The other side they went much further.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:21 PM

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heavy spruce is there an option to turn down fire illumination from the brightness of 1000 su...

you could try and disable bloom in settings?

heavy spruce Apr 13, 2026, 12:23 PM

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that helped, thanks!

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:24 PM

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@radiant arch want power between levels? Just go through one of the drains.

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Also finally got sequoias. Still need minty bamboo.

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@shell fiber is this version safe to drag crops over the sequoia forest or do I need to be careful planting?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:29 PM

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still frigate <@542299373606928384> is this version safe to drag crops over the sequoia forest...

must not plant on the middle field

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otherwise it wont plant the big tree

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:29 PM

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trees are already planted.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:29 PM

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on already planted trees it's perfectly fine to drag

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:29 PM

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still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:30 PM

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radiant arch on already planted trees it's perfectly fine to drag

Okay. Because a couple revision back there was a problem when I did that.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:30 PM

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soo much science ! why are there still relics??

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:31 PM

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radiant arch soo much science ! why are there still relics??

I like the glow.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:31 PM

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still frigate Okay. Because a couple revision back there was a problem when I did that.

what happened?

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do they override the central tile?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:31 PM

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When a tree was killed (not cut) it wouldn't get replanted.

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:32 PM

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radiant arch do they override the central tile?

The tree and a grape plant co-existed on the same square.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:32 PM

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oh, that must not happen..

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:32 PM

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But I thought Lapan fixed that.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:32 PM

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can't remember tbh..

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:33 PM

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me either. That the problem.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:33 PM

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only know he fixed the tile with the flag

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:33 PM

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Ah well. I know what to look for I guess.

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Oh! This already looks much better.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:35 PM

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looks perfectly fine for replanting too

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btw: chestnuts work as well!

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:37 PM

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radiant arch btw: chestnuts work as well!

I went chestnut crazy some time ago. 😛

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:37 PM

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i always underestimate how many they need with the stews and stuff

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same for pines..

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:38 PM

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Doing okay for now...

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Gotta trace my stew problems though.

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Mushrooms and brambles are too low.

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Plenty of sawdust so I need more mushroom tents until I get GMO access.

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Okay, that's a neat watercanon view.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:42 PM

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still frigate Doing okay for now...

might be dangerous for ENS to eat up all cereal bars as that will escalate sunflower seed need and berries!

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:45 PM

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Yeah and I have acres of sunflowers planted too.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:45 PM

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how does cereal bar production look?

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without them you need more'n double the seeds and berries (forgot the actual ratio)

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:46 PM

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Rice kept failing. I've got it fixed so I need to ramp up the bars.

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I now have 8 water canons feeding my mixed rice and lilies.

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The trials of unclean water.

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4

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 12:49 PM

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only managed your last map using that strategy (well fluid dumps early)

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 12:49 PM

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I have 2 or 3 of those too.

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Three

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@radiant arch Here is something weird with my map I can't explain. The two claw relics that aren't glowing also say they are flooded, but they are not. So confused.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:03 PM

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unity limits the number of active lights for one - if there's too many, some wont glow

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the other is timberborn default lights force a no-flooded limit..

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i not understand why they would be flooded here though

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:04 PM

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Yeah. Through every revision of the map I have made they have been flooded when I started it up.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:05 PM

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maybe they can't get rid of the status being objects??

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:05 PM

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I might need to delete them and redo those two toe claws

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:05 PM

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might help

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weird

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:06 PM

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gonna try to dev mode fix them real fast. If it works, I'll need to do it in the real map.

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The ground itself is being treated as if flooded when I try to copy a relic back there. WTF???

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:11 PM

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does some water overflow above?

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an amount so small it's not showing?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:11 PM

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I even drained the claw and that shows flooded. Most of that area. There is noth8ng under it eaither.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:12 PM

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does ALT+X show anything?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:12 PM

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ALT-X confuses me.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:12 PM

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there's water column statistics in it for any tile

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it would show exactly what the game believes to be there, including in- and outflows

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:15 PM

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I'll have to try tomorrow. I can't read it clear enough on my laptop with fatigued and old eyes.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:16 PM

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fine. maybe tomorrow fixes it magically 🙂

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good night

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:18 PM

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not sleeping. Just fatigued eyes can't read small text. /laughs

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Most of this area shows flooded EXCEPT what I circled.

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But yeah, troubleshooting for tomorrow.

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I was always nearsighted (since around 9), then had LASIK and my vision was great. Then I got old. /laughs

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:26 PM

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oh, i always had bad sight too, and rapidly tiring eyes on top. so i can relate. i use zoom a lot and text-to-speech

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:27 PM

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Before LASIK I was 20/300

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Wanna bet this is causing it?!

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:31 PM

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might be. i had lots of cases of broken water column updates when testing the portal wells with U7. might be there's still lotsa quirks in it

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in that case a air channel above the relic might fix it

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:33 PM

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Not sure I follow. Air channel? There is a layer gap. Relics are at the ends of each claw.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:35 PM

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water map draws 'columns' between soil layers
sometimes it misses the ground / halucinates.

adding another 'empty' column inbetween can fix those cases

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so right above the relic there might be some water. if there's enough space between removing a block of dirt might fix the calculation again

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(it would add another empty 'watercolumn' and thus force a re-calculation)

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 1:40 PM

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just tried to make the detailer that makes beavers sick, but they just won't used it

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:40 PM

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I'm still not sure I follow, but puttinh a layer of dirt down wasn't flooded.

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 1:40 PM

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as what common sense dictates

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 1:40 PM

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shell fiber just tried to make the detailer that makes beavers sick, but they just won't use...

smart little guys

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:41 PM

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shell fiber as what common sense dictates

there was no random (high) chance of illness option for those?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 1:42 PM

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aaaah

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:42 PM

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it's technically not really difficult to make it apply a forced need without the beaver knowing in script..

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 1:42 PM

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i could make it like this

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:43 PM

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i'm not sure it works outside workshops?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 1:43 PM

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ah, hmm

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maybe not actually

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using the beehive script is an option, but that causes serious trouble if build on a housing building

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constant contamination for the inhabitants

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meh, whatever, i didn't really want the detailer anyway

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 1:44 PM

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it's going over multiple layers too i believe?

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 1:44 PM

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yep

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 2:56 PM

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devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 4:17 PM

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Seems to run fine, only got this and missing shaft in 1 place (wtf, there are other shafts like it and they are ok)

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the shafts in question were placed on overhang here, no idea why this overhang placement is now illegal?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 4:38 PM

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there might be rare edge cases where the base of the overhang might have changed. or if the building below the overhang got a wrong occupation value accidentally?

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those are hauler lodges?

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 4:38 PM

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Yes

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 4:39 PM

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and the overhang was placed on what? the platform below the shaft? the lodge?

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 4:39 PM

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radiant arch and the overhang was placed on what? the platform below the shaft? the lodge?

Between the lodges, in the middle vertically

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 4:40 PM

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odd. might be occupations there.. lapan will have to look at it..

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 4:41 PM

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Also, went looking at some very obscure buildings..😁

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 5:36 PM

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radiant arch <@542299373606928384> did push a patch for the valve that forces the UI to never...

i touched the slider and...
NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Timberborn.WaterBuildingsUI.ValveFragment.SetOutflowLimit (System.Single value) <0x79d6e520 + 0x00000> in <0e809922ec6a44f68ad587ad0b6ece29>:0

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 5:37 PM

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wow. how? darn..

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i need to test it more ..

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 5:37 PM

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devout obsidian i touched the slider and... NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to ...

you had automation active?

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 5:38 PM

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no automation whatsoever, it was ordinary valve lodge set to unlimited

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 5:38 PM

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hmm.. i need to test with new version. maybe some settings did change

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it should just set it to whatever limit is applied instead of unlimited

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sadly no fix but downgrading my scriptpack from mod.io
https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/grauschweifs-scriptpack#description 1.4.1 should work

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 5:40 PM

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you removed the unlimited setting completely?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 5:40 PM

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devout obsidian you removed the unlimited setting completely?

only from the UI, yes

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but looks like some case can happen i not tested

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 5:40 PM

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but why? 0.3 is too low

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 5:41 PM

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cause it makes sense to lapan. was 2.0 for 6.2.8 i tested with. hmm

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 5:41 PM

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it was 2 then was changed to 0.3

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 5:41 PM

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@shell fiber should valve-limit be 0.3 with my fix too?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 5:46 PM

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devout obsidian it was 2 then was changed to 0.3

will fix it tomorrow. too late today / little time. sorry again for it

ivory fractal Apr 13, 2026, 5:51 PM

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devout obsidian the shafts in question were placed on overhang here, no idea why this overhang p...

This is something I want to report for some time. You can attach the Overhang platform to the side of the terrain, but not to the side of the buildings. If you manage to place it, it will be destroyed after saving and loading. You can place the Squewer platform on the side of buildings, but it cannot be placed on the side of the terrain.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 6:29 PM

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@shell fiber could you please re-enable the DefaultOutflowLimitEnabled and DefaultAutomationOutflowLimitEnabled on the valve to true?
my script might not work without that

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(did test against 6.2.8 still, so valve had 2.0 limit and enabled default flow limit)

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 7:06 PM

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devout obsidian the shafts in question were placed on overhang here, no idea why this overhang p...

Well that's weird

shell fiber Apr 13, 2026, 7:11 PM

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radiant arch (did test against 6.2.8 still, so valve had 2.0 limit and enabled default flow l...

Oh okay, I'll do that tomorrow ,👍

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 7:43 PM

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ivory fractal This is something I want to report for some time. You can attach the Overhang pl...

It would also be helpful if overhang build model showed in red when trying invalid positions. Often it vanishes completely leaving me to blindly circle around with mouse.

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 7:46 PM

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devout obsidian It would also be helpful if overhang build model showed in red when trying inval...

The game does that to me in the map editor unmodded with water sources. /laughs

Might not be in Lapan's control...

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FWIW, my save loaded without error.

I do not have a valve house at this time.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 7:48 PM

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devout obsidian i touched the slider and... NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to ...

would you happen to have a full report for me?
i can't seem to reproduce it with my mod for some reason

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 7:56 PM

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Hrm.... I do have 22 stranded beavers on zip lines...

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 7:56 PM

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the repositioning on the balloon?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 7:56 PM

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radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 7:56 PM

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might be a one-time-thing ?

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or did it happen long after loading game?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 7:57 PM

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Perhaps. I'll unstickify them and test.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 7:57 PM

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looks fun haha

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 7:59 PM

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I'm leaning towards a 1-time thing.

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Nope getting stranded beavers, sometimes on the lines, sometimes falling onto buildings.

I may need to break and re-set my connections?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:02 PM

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maybe helps, but would still make for a problem to have to

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:07 PM

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They are getting stuck as bad as they did when zip lines were first added.
initial 22 fixed
+2 fixed
+4 fixed
+7 fixed

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:08 PM

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in the balloon blueprint there's this

  "ZiplineTowerSpec": {
    "CableAnchorPoint": {
      "X": 2.5,
      "Y": 11.25,
      "Z": 2.5
    },

need to change it back to "Y": 11.65,

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was the only change

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might be otherwise the rounding is off of something like that..

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:10 PM

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Let me break all my lines and rest them first.

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all baloons have had all connections broken. Gonna run a bit to let any buffers clear then I'll start restringing things.

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new day... starting to restring...

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 8:22 PM

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radiant arch would you happen to have a full report for me? i can't seem to reproduce it with...

📎 error-report-2026-04-13-22h19m35s.zip

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:26 PM

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Okay, getting new stranded again. Resetting value.

@shell fiber FYI

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 8:36 PM

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When I saved without touching the valves and reloaded the game, then it doesn't crash. But now there's the 0.3 hard flow limit.

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:37 PM

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that's curious..

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glad it works now

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:38 PM

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@radiant arch

Before I reset the zipline values should I load/save/load again?

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:38 PM

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doesn't matter

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it re-calculates the paths i believe

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 8:38 PM

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radiant arch glad it works now

well...probably crashes for everyone who has 0.3.9 save file with unlimited valves, they must load and save in new version first

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 8:39 PM

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yeah.. i fear.. i will have to try that..

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 8:45 PM

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LMAO you pimped up the mushrooms in tent or I did not notice before?

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So enticing, would try some myself.

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 8:52 PM

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radiant arch in the balloon blueprint there's this ``` "ZiplineTowerSpec": { "CableAn...

This change has been made... testing... all -appears- to be good.

@shell fiber new Z value was breaking the zip lines. Reverted to old.

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:20 PM

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Anyone notice that the color of the pause icon indicates whether it is manually paused or automation paused?

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:21 PM

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still frigate Anyone notice that the color of the pause icon indicates whether it is manually ...

sorry to be rude, but..are you colorblind?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:21 PM

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No. Why?

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:21 PM

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I noticed immediately

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:22 PM

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i did not

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too much clutter to perceive asap

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:26 PM

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devout obsidian I noticed immediately

If you would prefer, I can avoid sharing details that should be obvious to most people.

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:27 PM

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no it's me probably sorry, was just explaining apple tree bark color in other thread...

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keep sharing

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:29 PM

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/nods

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:31 PM

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devout obsidian no it's me probably sorry, was just explaining apple tree bark color in other th...

that actually kept me thinking too haha

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:39 PM

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I appreciate construction possibility like this so much!

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:40 PM

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does that make it through save&load?

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:41 PM

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why not, putting overhangs on cliffs isn't a problem

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let me try

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:41 PM

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i just not knew it was possible tbh

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would come to the dirt block placement limits and there might be edge-cases it might not survive

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 9:43 PM

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Once again I was stupid.

When the calculatron didn't build on the P&L lodge I used other buildings. As can be plainly seen here, that left gaps for bad water to ignore my dam barriers. Thus my build is breeched.

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:43 PM

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radiant arch would come to the dirt block placement limits and there might be edge-cases it m...

now you made me nervous. ALL my water pumps are hanging off cliffs like that

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but it loaded fine

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probably more optimal to put a zipline station in the bottom and pumps next to it since they work submerged, but it looks cool

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:49 PM

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i love putting them like that too

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just not knew the side platform worked below the edge too

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those changed soo often since U6

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:50 PM

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there's still rock behind it, it's not below

radiant arch Apr 13, 2026, 9:51 PM

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not the top-most i meant

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makes perfect sense it could, just not realised it does

devout obsidian Apr 13, 2026, 9:52 PM

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it says right in the description "can be attached to sides"

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 10:45 PM

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radiant arch (it would add another empty 'watercolumn' and thus force a re-calculation)

@radiant arch

image 1:
I altered that area of the map significantly.

The paws are now one level higher/deeper (depending on one's view) on a decorative platform (aka lined it with stairs).

I also added in the 8th "claw" relic that was missing. All claws will glow in WhitePaws.

image 2:
The entrance to the secondary cache has been made both harder to get to and harder to flood. A second large source of berries has been added to the map.

image 3:
Added in some at-start and near-to-start relics for an actual science boost rather than simply decoration as they were at the paws on level 2. For this map, this level, relics are surrounded by oak instead of thorns. (No thorns on this map at all)

image 4:
Removed 1 bomb (it was where circled). Made some changes to the "manufactured" reservoir area to make it look even more artificial.

(not shown):
Added 3 more (individual) birch trees on the 3rd level to seed bramble growth in other areas of that layer.

At some point I should probably playtest this again with WhitePaws. If I do I can put it in my own thread in maps so I don't bother people here with it.

Do you want notified/linked to said thread if I do that?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 11:01 PM

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bonus:
added in a distressed aqueduct for flavour. It does not alter the flow of water on the map.

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@shell fiber Was there anything else you wished me to test that I haven't?

still frigate Apr 13, 2026, 11:30 PM

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@radiant arch The flooding problem of the relics is indeed solved.

wary panther Apr 14, 2026, 2:11 AM

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radiant arch <@542299373606928384> should valve-limit be 0.3 with my fix too?

Oof, that's going to mean a lot of redesign. No more using valve lodges to drain contaminated reservoirs after badtide...

radiant heart Apr 14, 2026, 2:14 AM

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dang, brambles now skipping levels... is there a limit how high they can jump?

wary panther Apr 14, 2026, 2:14 AM

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+/- 1, and only into water up to 1 deep

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but they were nice enough that berries can also skip levels now

radiant heart Apr 14, 2026, 2:15 AM

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cool i mean if berries can too it's "fair" just berries would need to spread as fast 🤣

wary panther Apr 14, 2026, 2:15 AM

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berries are still much slower, so it takes work to keep the brambles from doing it first

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but it did make it possible for me to grow my berries out a lot more than before

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(before the tree nursery, anyway, after that you can plant where you want of course)

radiant heart Apr 14, 2026, 3:04 AM

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got surprised quite a bit by brambles in a place they had no reason to be there

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 5:01 AM

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still frigate Okay, getting new stranded again. Resetting value. <@542299373606928384> FYI

reverting on my side too

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 6:06 AM

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finally managed to restore the power shaft extension mod, uploading soon-ish

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 7:33 AM

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still frigate <@1138856251237875794> **image 1:** I altered that area of the map significant...

sure, would like to be notified

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 9:22 AM

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devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:11 AM

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wary panther Oof, that's going to mean a lot of redesign. No more using valve lodges to drain...

Automation still allows you to set it to unlimited. But only the first time you connect valve to sensor. And it might get nerfed too, what is the plan here anyway?

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 10:12 AM

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might not be possible with new version anymore, as the default should be limited now

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when lapan updates that is

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:13 AM

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lol it is possible

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oh that

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 10:13 AM

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devout obsidian lol it is possible

well if it still is, it will get fixed

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:14 AM

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So it is the plan that valves will only get up to 0.3? ELI5 pls

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 10:16 AM

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looks like it. that was the original setting lapan used

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:19 AM

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Oh my. "Water beavers" that have such hard time to control the flow😭 no 1x1 floodgates and then this

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 10:25 AM

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i originally intended for the valve house to be very limited, basically just enough to allow irrigation, but not enough to effectively be an on/off gate on your river

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:27 AM

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Okay and is there any alternative for badwater diversion like other beavers do it?

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Or even different original solution. Anything.

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 10:28 AM

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sure is - cannons, pumps, fluid dumps

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the whole concept is about making water management a challenge - not just mindlessly spamming super cheap levee all-over and stop thinking about cycles with the first cheap sluice / valve

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there's floodgates too, and giant dams and all the depth of multi-level industries

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 10:30 AM

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devout obsidian Okay and is there any alternative for badwater diversion like other beavers do i...

"like other beavers" is not the right idea 😉

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:47 AM

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There's a challenge and there's impossible. Like i'm having 5 weak water sources here and now I for each need to excavate huge holes to fit wp floodgates in.

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 10:48 AM

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devout obsidian There's a challenge and there's impossible. Like i'm having 5 weak water sources...

which map are you playing on ?

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:48 AM

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shell fiber which map are you playing on ?

dune part 2

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 10:50 AM

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hmm... not donna lie, that looks like a pretty shitty map for this faction 🤐

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3671245038&searchtext=dune

Steam Workshop::TIMBER DUNE Part 2 of 3

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 AM

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it's feasiable, but difficult

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 AM

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if that miserable corner of greenery is all you have it seems pretty hard

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 AM

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but than, this faction might not be for everyones tastes and not all maps are same

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 10:51 AM

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there is virtually zero damming opportunity

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 10:52 AM

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shell fiber if that miserable corner of greenery is all you have it seems pretty hard

no the starting place is in the other end. this corner will get eaten by sandworms

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 10:53 AM

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oh, even better 😂

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 11:02 AM

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beavers without properly fitted stillsuits die quickly 🤣

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especially these whitepaw waterbags from caladan🤣

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 11:28 AM

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noticed that the paper texture was broken

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that will be a texture pack update

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 11:28 AM

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oh, nice

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 1:01 PM

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Trying to place drying tower. What does "on top of small tower(left) adjacent to triangle roof(right)" mean? seems I'm too stupid again

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neither works

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 1:05 PM

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devout obsidian neither works

this last one should work - it's default for all those tower upgrades

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access requires stairs / ladder to top

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upgrade needs to be placed one level higher (it might slip down on some angles)

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 1:12 PM

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ahh you need to aim the mouse precisely to a square millimeter above the tower entrance

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and the entrance arrow appears on ground level, no idea where i'd put the stiars

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 1:23 PM

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oh, was this one special and not required top-access? misremembered it i guess

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not used the harvester upgrade in forever

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 1:26 PM

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are there other small tower buildings than forester and zipline station?

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 1:27 PM

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the irrigation tower

stiff flint Apr 14, 2026, 2:32 PM

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shell fiber https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3671245038&searchtext=dun...

The Spicy Water must flow.....

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 2:45 PM

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shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 3:09 PM

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I could playtest today ☺️

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Damn one library is not enough 😅

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I have mine running fully supplied and the 300 science for the ~~factory~~ workshop is hard

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But I made a nice dam 😀

radiant arch Apr 14, 2026, 4:05 PM

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library would make 40-80 science per day with advanced recipe now? (at that early stage, given well-being might be around 20-30?)

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making a few blueprints might be really helpful at this point..

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need to play some map without relics next to test that.. early game is very different with couple of relics

shell fiber Apr 14, 2026, 4:54 PM

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radiant arch need to play some map without relics next to test that.. early game is very diff...

Actually that's a good point, having relics would kickstart progression a little

devout obsidian Apr 14, 2026, 8:05 PM

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radiant arch library would make 40-80 science per day with advanced recipe now? (at that earl...

...on a boring map where you don't need explosives or tar 😁

wary panther Apr 15, 2026, 3:47 AM

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Suggestion (just inspired by this map, which has lots of flooded geothermal fields): whitepaws should have a hot springs bath

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not sure what it would do mechanically that operates differently than the normal river bath (clean fur), but it would be fun

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maybe it could be like an early beaver washing machine, and also gradually remove contamination?

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 4:23 AM

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That is a really cool idea! And, you know, if it burned a little salt to mix with the steam, that would feel quite appropriate for some similar places I have been back in the day.

wary panther Apr 15, 2026, 4:37 AM

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hmm. If you really wanted to go for it, alchemist gets a new recipe involving wood ash and oil (to make soap)

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Lapan's pelt has never glowed so bright:

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shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 4:58 AM

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wary panther hmm. If you really wanted to go for it, alchemist gets a new recipe involving wo...

soap is something i've been considering for a long time just because it fits so well, but realistically, it's a single use thing. it could be an other wellbeing item, but i want to avoid unnecessary item clutter

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 4:59 AM

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Have a bathing building that uses soap as a burnable fuel to actually add the cleaning to wet fur effect, perhaps?

wary panther Apr 15, 2026, 5:01 AM

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Yeah. Though I the wellbeing items are the second real distinguishing feature of this faction IMO. They give the economy sinks so that you have to build and balance supply chains, in a way none of the other factions really have to bother with (other than food and water, basically everything else is just for new construction)

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 5:01 AM

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wary panther Suggestion (just inspired by this map, which has lots of flooded geothermal fiel...

as for the hot spring / doing more with the geothermal field, i like the idea, but it's problematic in that not all maps have geothermal fields. I have an idea in the back of my head about some sort of drill that would create new geothermal fields / aquifer / water seeps, but that changes so many things. that would be a great opportunity for an other faction though.

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 5:01 AM

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still frigate Have a bathing building that uses soap as a burnable fuel to actually add the cl...

hmm... for me that's just complexifying something for the sake of using something that is also not vital 😓

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i'll think about adding soap, but ashes... probably not.

wary panther Apr 15, 2026, 5:03 AM

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yeah, game-mechanically that just takes the "excess sawdust" chain one step further

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with yet another thing you have maybe need or maybe need to get rid of

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and we already have that with sawdust/dirt/rocks

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the first of course being the "everything's a house" and "(almost) no dams" surprises as soon as you start out

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but those don't change things as much in the long run as the fact that the economy actually consumes the goods

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:14 AM

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I just installed the Whitepaws faction and started them out on a map called "Lost to Time," and I can't get them to build anything
I also can't tell the gatherer flags to do the drop-down menu, because the game crashes
is there a way to fix this?

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:14 AM

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would you mind sharing the error report?

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:14 AM

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sure

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brb

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ok, where do I get that?

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:18 AM

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usually in Documents\Timberborn\Error reports on Windows

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there's also a players.log in c:\users\yourusername\AppData\LocalLow\Mechanistry\Timberborn usually for the last game. that would work too

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:19 AM

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ok, thanks 🙂

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📎 error-report-2026-04-15-01h00m32s.zip

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it's probably a mod I didn't turn off

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:25 AM

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looks like it. there's some conflict with a gatherable resource. but i can't see which one or which mod caused this

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:25 AM

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hmm...probably that new dandelion shake or the tofu
I'll turn those off

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ok, I got rid of the "Soya" mod, and now the two workers from the cart are building the flags like the Tutorial said to do. But the dropdown menu in the gatherer flags still crashes the game.

📎 error-report-2026-04-15-01h27m56s.zip

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:29 AM

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it's the same error as before

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is there a mod that adds new plants?

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:29 AM

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hmm ThinkingFT

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wait a minute, I put a hedge in for the Ironteeth
you think it might be that?

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:31 AM

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it says Timberborn.GatheringUI.GatherablePrioritizerDropdownProvider.GetPrioritizedGatherable finds more than one - so there might be a duplicate or something.

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:31 AM

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twin coral wait a minute, I put a hedge in for the Ironteeth you think it might be that?

that's only decorative?

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:31 AM

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yes

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:31 AM

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no, that's not it

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here a plant like a chestnut or berry seems duplicated

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:31 AM

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I remember having to download dependencies for the whitepaws

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:32 AM

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oh, i not checked those either

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maybe Basic Good Banners ? i don't know what that mod does, but it might try to patch berries?

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 8:37 AM

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hmm, it just shows new pictures on the banners, but I'll get rid of it too

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ok, I'll have to do a process of elimination

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this is interesting
I can open the drop-down menu on the farm, but not the gatherer flags ThinkingFT

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 8:54 AM

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yes, makes sense

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it's different groups of crops

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only 'gatherables' seem affected, so my guess it's chestnuts or berries related

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sadly know no way around the process of elimination beyond that

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 9:16 AM

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hmm... that's a lot of mods...```- 1x1x2Storage (v3.0.6)

Bobingabout Commute Balancer (v1.0.10.0)
Bobingabout Script Pack (v1.0.12.1)
Bob Storage (v1.0.12.0)
Bobingabout's Housing Optimize (v1.0.10.0)
Demolishable Ruins (v0.3)
Flywheels (v4.1.1.14)
Folktail - Dandelion Smoothie (v0.1)
Harmony (v2.4.1)
Hats (v1.0)
Iron Teeth Hazard Awareness Tails (v1.3.5.0)
Iron Teeth Metal Paint (v1.0)
Iron Teeth Tail Decals (v0.1)
IronHedge (v1.0)
KnatteMaterials (v1.0.1.0)
Ladder (v1.0.0.2)
Lapantouflemagics Texture Pack (v1.3.2)
Logstairs (v3.0.4)
Mod Manager (v3.0.10)
Mod Settings (v1.0.11.0)
Moddable Tool Groups (v10.4.5)
DamDecoration (v1.0.0.8)
ExtendedFloodgates (v1.0.0.4)
Moon Tail (v0.1)
Platform Json Mod (v1.0.0.1)
Restore My Sluice Gate (v1.0.0.0)
RubblesPlzNoExpire (v10.0.0)
Seep Cover (v1.0.12.1)
Shanty Speaker (v1.0.7.0)
Sluice is Back! (v10.0.1)
Staircase (v1.0.1.3)
The Barkimedes Screw (v1.4)
TimberApi UIBuilder (v1.0.2.1)
SimpleFloodgateTriggers (v10.0.4)
Steam Update Buttons (v0.1.7)
TimberCommons (v1.15.2)
Grauschweif's Scriptpack (v1.5.3)
TimberUi (v10.1.3)
Moddable Timberborn (v10.4.0)
Configurable Pumps (v10.0.0)
Configurable Tubeway & Zipline (v10.0.3)
Tubeway Bridges (v1.0.11.0)
Underground Tubeway (v1.0.0)
Unstuckify (v1.0.0.1)
Whitepaws Faction 1.0 (v6.3.2)
Wish Tail Paintings (v1.0.5.0)
Year of the Snake Beaver Tails (v1.0.5.0)
Basic Goods Banners (v1.0)
Better Weather Station (v10.0.0)
DamDecorations_DecorationExtention (v1.0.0.6)
More Tunnels (v1.4)
MoreGroups Paths (v1.0.1.0)
Tiny Tubeway Station (v1.0.11.1)
Tubeway Levee (v1.0.11.0)
Path Extention (v1.0.0.9)
Underground Valves (v10.0.12.4)
MoreGroups (v1.0.1.4)```

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probably commute balancer and house optimize shold not go together, but i wouldn't be surprised if bobingabout had planned for one to disable the other

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the only one that immediately looks problematic is the dandelion thing for the folktails

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 9:19 AM

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I think I'm going to get rid of all of them and just put in the whitepaws mods

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 9:20 AM

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in principle anything that adds to a specific faction should do nothing to the WP, you can start to remove them all then see if the crash still happens

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similarily anythign affecting tubeways

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also, this thing is suspicious to me :

Platform Json Mod (v1.0.0.1)

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 9:31 AM

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Good news, the faction is working now

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and ahhhh!!! those brambles were a nasty surprise 😬

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they were birch trees a day before 😟

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I only put in Whitepaws faction and its dependencies, and disabled the housing optimization

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What I've got so far

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 9:36 AM

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a litte warning: brambles do spawn on path (and can jump one level up or down too! - as do berries and trees)

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you will need lots of them later for food and science and healing

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 9:39 AM

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yep, I just found that out

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fence time 🔨

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Btw, I really appreciate the tutorial. Otherwise I'd have to print out a black and white version of that tech tree diagram (to save on color ink) and follow that

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 9:46 AM

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hmm. maybe adding the tech tree to mod.io / steam might be helpful?
(there's a digital version somewhere in this thread)

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also mod.io says the mod only supports up to U6. maybe you could update tags there too?

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 9:55 AM

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yeah, i seriously need to do that.

sullen cape Apr 15, 2026, 10:06 AM

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I'm still playing 0.7, so I think I might need to downgrade my textures back, don't freak out

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 10:19 AM

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that looks like a really nice game!

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 10:19 AM

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twin coral fence time 🔨

i really need to upgrade those damn fences

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😓

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i was working on this this morning

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only when the mine is full

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i need to tone down the light a little bit though 😅

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 10:47 AM

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btw, here's my current playtest colony

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trying to dam up and flood this entire area

cloud flax Apr 15, 2026, 11:03 AM

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Which map is it???

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Looks niceee

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 11:05 AM

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that's the first one, waterfalls.

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very easy to play on, nice damming opportunities

cloud flax Apr 15, 2026, 11:06 AM

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Yeaaah

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 11:07 AM

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originally like this :

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cloud flax Apr 15, 2026, 11:09 AM

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That rings a bell. Don't think I have done any play through in it though. Might start with it

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 11:12 AM

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For anyone interested, I got hit with inspiration and did another map today. Been running WhitePaws through it.

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still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 11:28 AM

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I also just remembered I need to play a WhitePaw game on terraces I think it was, to verify it is still possible.

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 12:53 PM

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Here is a way to come down on terraces without rope.

Preparing for it at the start is the easiest way. Pause and place build ghosts to keep your path bramble free.

Terraces requires a build-and-delete strategy to get down without rope. Image 2 is my setup.

Note the extra platform in images 2 and 3. This lets the beavers build the support for the second stairs.

You need some more temporary platforms for some temporary stairs. (Image 4).

Image 5 shows the first platform you delete so you can build the temporary stairs. They will let you build the priority platforms down low.

With the foundation -finally- done delete everything marked in red in Image 6.

Now you can build the rest of your stairs (Image 7). When they are done, you are down. All done with the broken cart. No rope. No cheese. Just a lot of waiting for wood to grow. 😛

My colony overview for this demo (Image 8).

abstract vector Apr 15, 2026, 1:26 PM

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shell fiber as for the hot spring / doing more with the geothermal field, i like the idea, b...

A drill rig would be amazing, but very complicated lol

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 1:34 PM

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i'm not entirely sure, it might be relatively easy. typically you make something that builds from the inside like a wonder, give it a long build time and several build step, and after let's say 50 % build the building is visually complete, but builders need to contine doing "working" inside for a while, and when it is at least complete, poof ! confetti blast, and swap it with a steam vent or whatever.

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give or take a couple adjustments

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 2:05 PM

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shell fiber i'm not entirely sure, it might be relatively easy. typically you make something...

could have them literally dig a hole and build cranes and stuff!
only to fill it back up slowly till it gets close to the final building and poof!

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 2:23 PM

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too few abysses? dig one! only takes 1000 days! haha

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on a more serious note: while i'd love option to make bath houses this way - i'm not entirely sure how much it would shift game balance to be able to make infinite number of water sources, however weak.

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would they be limited in some way still? like not more than 3 per map or something?

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 2:28 PM

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radiant arch would they be limited in some way still? like not more than 3 per map or somethi...

i see absolutely no way to force that, unless i make the building require a thingie that is only given in the kart

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 2:29 PM

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i can add a spec for that easily tbh

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 2:30 PM

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a limit-per-map item ?

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 2:30 PM

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something like that

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a group limit - all items of that group count to global limit. once limit is reached user can't place more of the building

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i wanted to make something like that for decorations too.. almost forgot haha

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like a monument only one can exist of at a time. that would be fun. player has to choose which one

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.. but that's another rabbit hole.. like inventing religion to give a global effect. but can only choose one and only convert by demolishing it (at high risk) or something 🙂

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hmm.. like turning all brambles into thorns or something 🤔

livid zephyr Apr 15, 2026, 2:40 PM

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Who hurt you good sir?!?

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🤣

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 2:57 PM

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oh, crap, i just realised that i had the wrong icon for the fireworks reciepe

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and here i was, wondering why no dynamite was made 😓

ivory fractal Apr 15, 2026, 3:10 PM

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When you talk about recipe icons, I noticed that the recipe for ENS in architect and mechanic lodge has a very thin border (green and blue). Is that intentional?

shell fiber Apr 15, 2026, 3:11 PM

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ivory fractal When you talk about recipe icons, I noticed that the recipe for ENS in architect...

Yes

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Architects blueprints are green, mechanics ones are blue, that's to disambiguate

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Because the ens needs one of each

ivory fractal Apr 15, 2026, 3:27 PM

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I know both are needed. It just looks weird because only these two recipes have a border. I'd rather have a blue/green dot somewhere in the corner instead of lines around, but that's just my insignificant opinion.

wary panther Apr 15, 2026, 3:53 PM

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shell fiber and here i was, wondering why no dynamite was made 😓

I did that too. We lost a lot of good beavers when they celebrated the the badtide-diversion channel instead of actually completing the excavation.

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:40 PM

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Do brambles extend beyond 1 voxel in heights? I'm expecting them to spread into an area and they haven't yet.

I'm also on canine time; everything is either now or forever.

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Got my own answr. They do.

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 6:41 PM

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only 1 level up

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they might at some later point extend further down

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the bramble itself is slightly more than 1m tall i believe

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:42 PM

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Not jumping. Space usage. Like the trees. Brambles take more than 1.

Berries can go in there, brambles can't.

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 6:43 PM

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yeah, brambles occupy the upper voxel too

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like pines or birches

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:44 PM

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I'll minimize those space in my designs... or make them strategic. :{

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 6:44 PM

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still 15 lvl/ 14 ranks behind lapan on the ranks thing.. hmm .. catching up 🙂

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:48 PM

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I sorta stopped chattering so much after the other day. You have shot ahead.

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 6:51 PM

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i might have trouble to stop chatting too much.. 😅

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close enough. not sure i'll keep ahead for long

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:51 PM

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At least I have the excuse of being old. 😛

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Don't most seniors tend to ramble on and tell stories? The ones in my life sure did!

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 6:54 PM

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still frigate Here is a way to come down on terraces without rope. Preparing for it at the st...

Hey at least i inspired one person to play terraces

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 6:54 PM

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i'm fighting with my code.. silly particle system for rain.. why has it to have like 200 settings..

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 6:55 PM

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I kinda dont want to make "scaffolding" (read:temporary stairs) to get down from there

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:56 PM

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ivory flicker Hey at least i inspired one person to play terraces

Are you kidding?! That was my goto map since it existed. I have spent hundred and hundred of hours playing it. 🙂

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 6:56 PM

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Well i didnt know that 😂

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 6:57 PM

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you both made me interested in trying it out

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:57 PM

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<In exaugurated old man voice> I was doing terraces when all we had to do was worry about droughts and running out of food.</end voice>

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 6:57 PM

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just playtesting on the one with the big craters. so silly how easy that is with folktails.. 6 cycles and all the water sources are badwater proofed..

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 6:58 PM

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I was expecting to have died by cycle 10, it doesnt seem to be the case

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 6:59 PM

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I had to rush the river bath in but that was day 10 not cycle 10.

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 6:59 PM

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River bath is like day 4 build for me

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 7:00 PM

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ivory flicker River bath is like day 4 build for me

nox's maps are a little.. 'different'

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 7:00 PM

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I thought this is talking about terraces

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 7:00 PM

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@ivory flicker Something else... rope is included when you break the broken cart, so you should have been able to get down without my method.

My method was from when I didn't know how to use the rappelling crane or it didn't yet exit.

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 7:00 PM

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still frigate <@462924428309954560> Something else... rope is included when you break the brok...

Yea thats how i got down, after i broke the cart

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 7:00 PM

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I am on terraces at the moment.

ivory flicker Apr 15, 2026, 7:00 PM

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Guess i just didnt mention it

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 7:02 PM

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@radiant arch Okay, I am doing two maps. Unnamed 015 and Terraces. Been switching between them.

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As I was making the tutorial on how to get down on Terraces I remembered having done it before in this channel for U7 variant.

I think I did it better this time.

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Also, I think sleep is taking me. Pain killers have kicked in and my eyes are suddenly heavy. GN all.

radiant arch Apr 15, 2026, 7:11 PM

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gn

cloud flax Apr 15, 2026, 9:47 PM

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still frigate I sorta stopped chattering so much after the other day. You have shot ahead.

Damn you guys are up there! Am still in 3 Digit rank. But yeah, I just blabber ideas rather than actually make things 🙈

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Sorry for the ping! Just saw your message. Have a good night!!!!

devout obsidian Apr 15, 2026, 9:49 PM

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shell fiber soap is something i've been considering for a long time just because it fits so ...

Soap maker could be added as upgrade to bath, just to improve wellbeing, without making the actual items

cloud flax Apr 15, 2026, 9:51 PM

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Decors with upgrades! That's an interesting idea

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Adding bubbles to the river bath

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 9:54 PM

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Well, I'm winning the battle with the brambles in my area of the map, though there's a gigantic field of them on the island to the SE and another spot further that direction. When I can get stairs and more workers, I'm gonna annihilate those last brambles 😈

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The beavers actually look surprisingly cute with the white fur and pink tails/paws/noses 😊 🩷

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🤫 of course, the beavers were cute to begin with 🤭

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The rest of the district is progressing nicely 🙂

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I also finally figured out how to get my beavers down to the river for bathing without unlocking anything yet.
It hasn't been built yet, so here you get to see the ghost blueprints.

devout obsidian Apr 15, 2026, 9:58 PM

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twin coral The rest of the district is progressing nicely 🙂

Evrything is so neatly lined up..except the farmhouses. Whyyyy

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 10:02 PM

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I'm sorry, the fertility range for this map is weird

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I was lining up the road to "ring in" the green parts, and the road on the inner part is wonky

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😃 and the river bath is finally done! And we even got our first customers! LoveFT

😟 I feel sorry for that injured beaver, and keep wanting to build a sick bed for them, but I haven't gotten to that part of the tutorial yet 😔

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See what I mean about the farmhouses? I could always scooch them over a few tiles, but I'll have to re-arrange the cabbages a bit

devout obsidian Apr 15, 2026, 10:05 PM

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twin coral 😃 and the river bath is finally done! And we even got our first customers! <:L...

Everything isn't in the tutorial, iirc beds aren't too. But you'll need medicine from alchemist.

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 10:05 PM

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well, this is the first time I've ever played with this faction, so I'm very new at this

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they fascinated me for a while, but I only finally decided to take the plunge yesterday

cloud flax Apr 15, 2026, 10:08 PM

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Aye welcome!!! Follow along the tutorial and let us know how it goes. Explore other things to if time and resources permit! Tutorial came out recently so lapan is still looking for feedbacks :D

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All the best! You are in for a oooooong journey:D

twin coral Apr 15, 2026, 10:09 PM

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😏 isn't it always that way with the beavers?

cloud flax Apr 15, 2026, 10:10 PM

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Hahahahaha. Well imma not comment on it :P

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Off to bed here too! GN. And happy beavering

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 11:11 PM

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Aaaand back to beavering. HappyIT

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 11:15 PM

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twin coral Well, I'm winning the battle with the brambles in my area of the map, though the...

The map I am on had very little fertile land and it was/is mostly berries. So I'm having to do the opposite and make room for brambles to spread a bit. Gotta make that kimchi!

livid zephyr Apr 15, 2026, 11:23 PM

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twin coral well, this is the first time I've ever played with this faction, so I'm very new...

There's upgrades you'll get access to later that requires them being directly side by side, you want to scooch one forward or back 1 tile eventually.

Should look at the billboards ahead of time for some tips and hopefully avoid confusion.

But usually someone around here happy to help 🙂

still frigate Apr 15, 2026, 11:39 PM

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My time here is unpredictable, but I am often lurking around. I gladly help when I can as well.

sullen cape Apr 16, 2026, 12:07 AM

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radiant arch that looks like a really nice game!

I'm nearly finished, but there are so many little tweaks and projects

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 12:17 AM

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@radiant arch Is this what you were trying to explain to me the other day when I kept insisting I needed ladders to do it without cutting into my fields?

livid zephyr Apr 16, 2026, 12:30 AM

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that is certainly a way of going it... personally would have just given up 2 cabbage and called it good going up the side, but you do you haha

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 12:42 AM

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Where are the floodgates?

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I see buildings and dams, but no floodgates

livid zephyr Apr 16, 2026, 12:42 AM

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there is 1 floodgate dam, in the dam section

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 12:42 AM

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ok

livid zephyr Apr 16, 2026, 12:43 AM

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needs blueprints to build

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wont get to them too early

wary panther Apr 16, 2026, 12:56 AM

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But those two cabbages are the edge between my 400-beaver colony making it or eventually starving!

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honestly, we might be that tight right now... food is almost exactly stable, at about two day's of supplies...

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 12:57 AM

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I just lost a bunch to starvation due to lack of harvesters.

woeful sun Apr 16, 2026, 2:53 AM

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still frigate I sorta stopped chattering so much after the other day. You have shot ahead.

Full leaderboard: https://mee6.xyz/Timberborn

livid zephyr Apr 16, 2026, 3:41 AM

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me and my humble level 12

woeful sun Apr 16, 2026, 4:24 AM

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weird, I don't see you on the list at all

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 7:46 AM

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@radiant arch why does the rappelling rope need XtraPlzNoCrash ?

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 7:52 AM

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does not

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i was told it was needed for modifiers or something, but seemed it was not

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 7:53 AM

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oh, okay then

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'ill try it on my playtest

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getting bramble flowers is hell, i guess i need to put some florists on the task

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 8:19 AM

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Excrementum sacrum. They have changed the valves Et al. again.

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Extra Folktails’ kits are no longer born as you load a game with a bunch of sleeping beavers. Breeding Pods are acceptable in this world, but little beavers appearing out of thin air? Nah, that breaks the immersion. 🤣

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:22 AM

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sadly update breaks mod settings mod for me

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 8:22 AM

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I'm glad I'm map making right now already.

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:25 AM

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i'll just get out of experimental for now

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 8:26 AM

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But that's the easy way out!

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😛

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:28 AM

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still frigate But that's the easy way out!

tbh it's much less trouble to not use experimental if not testing new features..

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and most of those it's just as fine to test once they hit main branch .. saves half the fixes ..

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:33 AM

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trying to get this to work

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 8:34 AM

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New fencing?

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:35 AM

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that's a tricky one with the edge defintion..

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easier trick might be to stretch the fence ?

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or place them on the bramble-side? so they overlap more easily?

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:37 AM

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radiant arch or place them on the bramble-side? so they overlap more easily?

no, that would mean they can coexist witht the brambles, which is the exact opposite of what we want

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unfortunately the mergable component will not work

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but they seem to be blocking the path properly, and don't disturb cabbages

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it won't replace the classic fences though

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i think

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because i need to figure out the gates etc

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also i gave them a little quartz indicator, because why not ?

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:39 AM

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i like them this way - they can go along path and look nicer if placed like this

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:39 AM

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yeah, the point is really to make them much more space efficient

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if they effectively have zero footprint in regard to crops, they can be used as decoration without shooting yourself in the foot

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radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:40 AM

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haha, trapped

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i feel inclined to skip the gates and only access them with ropes now!

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:41 AM

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darn, this guy walked right trhoug it 😅

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only spread across the corner, which is good

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or should i say "good" 😓

devout obsidian Apr 16, 2026, 8:45 AM

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dainty little fence is supposed stop them while they can cross badwater ditches😆

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:45 AM

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iirc the "bottom" occupancy is what decides if the voxel is freely walkable 🤔

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they are very polite 🙂

devout obsidian Apr 16, 2026, 8:46 AM

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you should apply same principle as water control, minimum 2x3 structures with blueprint required, or 1000 sawdust 🤣

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:46 AM

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shell fiber iirc the "bottom" occupancy is what decides if the voxel is freely walkable 🤔

not sure. dynamite occupies bottom iirc

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:47 AM

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dynamite has "no auto wall" enabled though

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this one now properly goes around

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that's odd, he could go through only there 🤔

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and now he's stranded

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:52 AM

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bottom occupation is another issue with the crops, isn't it?

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if you take it away from cabbage dynamites can be placed on them?

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(not wrong in itself, just .. new?)

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:53 AM

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uuh

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no dynamite occupies a lot more

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i'll remove bottom occupancy for the plants, see what happens

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:54 AM

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so only rubble?

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:54 AM

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yes, usually bottom is for rubble

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:55 AM

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and .. some checks go for bottom-occupancy.. gimme a minute..

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:55 AM

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loaded just fine for now

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well crap

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the beaver won't harvest them

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oh what a moron, of course not, the voxel's not accessible 😅

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:57 AM

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yeah, bottom occupation is needed for reproduction tests

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and harvest..

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haha

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 8:57 AM

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really ?

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 8:59 AM

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yeah.. there's a couple of tests for bottom-object (ignoring any other on tile):

Yielder
Reproduction (blocking of tiles)
Hive
placing objects
tree cutting
stairs, shafts, ziplines, .. lots..

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dynamite too.

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best not to mess with that one

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was there a way to define blocked edges?

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 9:00 AM

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oh he won't plant those 🤔

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there used to be a property called "block all egdes"

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don't know if it has been removed or just hidden

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 9:02 AM

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well.. dam.. my unity is broken.. can't open blueprints there now 🙃

devout obsidian Apr 16, 2026, 9:08 AM

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Another silly idea. Converting brambles to thorns could be actually welcome hack to make irrigation barriers.

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 9:46 AM

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well you'd have to let the brambles die of natural causes for that 🤐

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 9:47 AM

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devout obsidian Another silly idea. Converting brambles to thorns could be actually welcome hack...

Brambles are a needed food ingredient. Really wanna lose that?

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shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 9:47 AM

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shell fiber oh he won't plant those 🤔

whelp, no bueno, i don't have a good idea of what to do to to make those fences work

devout obsidian Apr 16, 2026, 9:47 AM

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still frigate Brambles are a needed food ingredient. Really wanna lose that?

Don't mean ALL of them. Just like macerate them in badwater for 30 days first

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 9:48 AM

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they like badwater

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at worst they get thirsty

devout obsidian Apr 16, 2026, 9:49 AM

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Or the irrigation lodge could have special formula to turn brambles to thorns.

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 9:50 AM

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/chuckles

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 10:16 AM

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devout obsidian Or the irrigation lodge could have special formula to turn brambles to thorns.

that seems like a lot of complicated scripting 😅

devout obsidian Apr 16, 2026, 10:21 AM

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I understand. I was a programmer myself. Can't really concentrate much anymore😭 . Perhaps if there was simple to install development environment. But I'm a Linux user who never touched dotnet. And I know about AI but would hate to give access to my machine to claude or their ilk.

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 10:42 AM

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setting it up was failry easy on linux. took around 30 minutes following the modding tools guide

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some IDEs like rider even can read the code through unity integration, which helps a lot

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still isn't very efficient to need to restart game for every change to test.. often takes me 15-20 minutes each..

devout obsidian Apr 16, 2026, 10:43 AM

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Which guide?

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 10:43 AM

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c# itself is pretty simple to use. much can be copied from game code anyway

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 10:44 AM

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devout obsidian Which guide?

https://github.com/mechanistry/timberborn-modding/wiki/Unity-setup

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pretty nice since 1.0 for it exposes the code and exports most game assets in readible format

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there's TimberRipper for models too, if you need those

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 1:14 PM

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made this thing because why not

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 1:14 PM

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very welcome!

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 1:22 PM

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shell fiber made this thing because why not

Thank you

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 1:23 PM

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i wonder if i shouldn't just make it a modular thing and be done with it 🤔

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@radiant arch i don't remember if we discussed that before, but is it possible to make it so that "paused by automation" doesn't pause the housing function ?
iirc the devs already made it so that it doesn't command beavers to empty the inventory, maybe that's not too far off? 🤔

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 1:42 PM

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it's on my list somewhere

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or to make "pause" in general not affect lodging at all

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the not emptying inventory sounds tricky though..

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i heavily relied on it for emergency water so far

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 1:45 PM

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radiant arch the not emptying inventory sounds tricky though..

ah, you used automated pause to empty buildings ? that seems undesirable 🤔

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 1:48 PM

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manually mostly, but yes

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 1:57 PM

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look who's there !

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 1:58 PM

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so young and stylish! nice!

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 2:12 PM

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@radiant arch @shell fiber If it help's, Igor's automation -can- do that. It sets workers assigned to zero.

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I use that all the time.

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 2:15 PM

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it doesn't empty it either this way, does it?

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 2:15 PM

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still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 2:16 PM

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radiant arch it doesn't empty it either this way, does it?

Sorry, I haven't paid attention to that part.

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remove workers works also.

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 2:22 PM

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still frigate <@1138856251237875794> <@542299373606928384> If it help's, Igor's automation -ca...

i don't really want to use more mods than necessary, it's always hell when things break. plus this mod really makes all of the in-game automation worthless, which i don't like.
i can't blame him of course since he made this thing long before the devs, but i don't want to use it.

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 2:25 PM

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sneakingly changing pause behaviour on workshops is different though. that might confuse some, but work fine..
need to think some more on this when i'm done with the rain etc..

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should it only affect the number of workers?
should it block pausing lodges with other purpose?

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 2:28 PM

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no really the only thing i want is for the automation to not pause the housing part

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the rest can stay by default

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 2:29 PM

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ok. so different from igors mod. maybe i can still take some ideas from there later

still frigate Apr 16, 2026, 2:32 PM

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shell fiber i don't really want to use more mods than necessary, it's always hell when thing...

I wasn't recommending using it, I was recommending figuring out what/how he was doing it an incorporating it.

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convergent ~~evolution~~ programming? 😉

frozen fable Apr 16, 2026, 4:38 PM

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Hi. Visiting from your suggestion.
Is there no steam version?

That's the only mod experience I have and am nervous about using other things.

woeful sun Apr 16, 2026, 5:08 PM

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Ahh, no I haven't uploaded it to Steam, or mod.io. I can look at doing it this weekend.

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 6:30 PM

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shell fiber i wonder if i shouldn't just make it a modular thing and be done with it 🤔

Would be easier to make any style of paths. And maybe even covered stairs 🫣

shell fiber Apr 16, 2026, 6:31 PM

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cloud flax Would be easier to make any style of paths. And maybe even covered stairs 🫣

Covered stairs indeed seems nice

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 8:54 PM

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I noticed something interesting with these Whitepaws
sometimes they have a genetic fluke and a baby can be born with light brown, red, or green fur 😏 ThinkingFT
fascinating

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I had to move to another map because the one I started with had no cliff faces I could use (map was too flat)

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I'm using one called "Mountain Rivers," which was updated to 1.0, and it's worked out surprisingly well

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even better, I now can do something about the rampant briars on my map! 😃

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also found the irrigation towers while poking around in all the different little building menus

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so now my beavers can have a proper set of tree farms and not have to worry too much about droughts

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Be very careful with that barrel, my little furry friend 😏

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The newer Beaver colony 🙂

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I've played this map with the Ironteeth at least twice, so it's a fun map to work with.

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 9:15 PM

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twin coral The newer Beaver colony 🙂

Those staircase on right look sooooo good! Just perfect

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 9:16 PM

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Thank you 😄
you should have seen me messing around with that, trying to sort out how they would fit on that slope, because I'm more used to 1-tile staircases, not a 1x2 staircase, but that thing has been a life-saver so far 🙂 the crappy platforms have also been a help

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I needed the scrap metal up there, and my beavers can't fly, so hence the stairs 😉

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 9:18 PM

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Btw some billboards give well being in very large areas. So make sure to build those if you haven't already

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 9:18 PM

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to go big snowflakes.. or small snowflakes.. 🤔

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 9:19 PM

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Too big...maybe randomise the size?

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 9:20 PM

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it's a weird perspective thing. they shrink the more the cam zooms in

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 9:20 PM

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Have it so that the distribution feels snow flakes are falling all over the place so farther snow flakes will be smaller than closer ones

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Wanted to tell that bout rain drops too but forgot. Also technically rain drops are actually spherical beaver

radiant arch Apr 16, 2026, 9:23 PM

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haha, yes. just used the unicode symbols instead of the rectangles moddable weather had.

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more about having something visually representing for now and concentrating on the actual behaviour

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just thought it was funny enough to share big snowflakes 🙂

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 9:35 PM

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Hahahaha fair nuf! First get it working, then make it pretty is a good mantra imo

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Maybe get some ideas on how games like cities skylines and other such games render weather features. Would be interesting

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 9:39 PM

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Here we go 😉 Ah! These unusual colored beavers are based on modders, aren't they? LoveFT Adorable LoveIT

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 10:15 PM

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I will win this war, brambles 😈 just you wait

livid zephyr Apr 16, 2026, 10:23 PM

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twin coral I *will* win this war, brambles 😈 just you wait

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

Tenor

wary panther Apr 16, 2026, 10:31 PM

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twin coral I *will* win this war, brambles 😈 just you wait

I have now enlisted my ally - Domesticated Brambles! You shall be undone by the treachery of your own turncoat relatives!

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 10:41 PM

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wary panther I have now enlisted my ally - Domesticated Brambles! You shall be undone by the ...

I'll make them allies yet, but they can only grow under my terms 😈

wary panther Apr 16, 2026, 10:43 PM

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If you haven't noticed, the domesticated brambles take half as long to cut/harvest, produce twice as much output, and grow even faster

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so uh, plant them with care 🙂

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 10:55 PM

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👍 duly noted 🗒️ ✍️

wary panther Apr 16, 2026, 10:55 PM

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but once you get to wanting bramble flowers they are definitely the way to produce mass quantities

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 11:02 PM

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You should look at the bramble shredder by used by nox :P

wary panther Apr 16, 2026, 11:02 PM

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2 barns and a logging loft?

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 11:05 PM

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Here's a reference:P

cloud flax Apr 16, 2026, 11:05 PM

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wary panther 2 barns and a logging loft?

Yeppp

wary panther Apr 16, 2026, 11:06 PM

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well, 4 barns and 2 lofts

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24 exteremely genocidal beavers

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it must be a mutation - most beavers hear the ripple of moving water and think "absolutely not", these are the guys who hate the rustle of leaves in the wind just as badly

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 11:26 PM

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this game reminds me of Bocce Balls 🙂
I wasn't very good at it in jr. high, but they didn't make us play it for more than a week either

wary panther Apr 16, 2026, 11:27 PM

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Yeah, it's pretty much the French vs Italian versions of a very similar game

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Now we just need a whitepaws-specific achivement if you hit the Pétanque jack with a throw from the trebuchet

twin coral Apr 16, 2026, 11:55 PM

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it feels so good to get this set up 🙂
I felt awful about my poor beavers having nothing to heal with
now we'll have a proper "hospital" area soon

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OMG! 😍 the alchemist has a little wizard hat! 🧙‍♂️ that is so cute!

wary panther Apr 17, 2026, 12:07 AM

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Wait till you get the library up and see the mortarboard

twin coral Apr 17, 2026, 12:13 AM

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cool 😄

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hey 🤭 the library is right there! and they do look very cute with graduation hats on 😊 LoveFT

wary panther Apr 17, 2026, 12:15 AM

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Oops, indeed, I missed that that was the front corner of the library

twin coral Apr 17, 2026, 1:06 AM

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Wow, blow 💩 up?! Um, yay? HappyFT

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LoveFT Who doesn't love landscaping with the boom-booms? 💥

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I need a rice paddy anyway

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I think this beaver ministry sending me tutorial letters watched Mythbusters 🤭

wary panther Apr 17, 2026, 1:14 AM

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Well, the Directorate of Structural Ambition seems to have some lingering grudges vs the Directorate of Applied Chemistry

It seems you have successfully produced Brain Boosting Salts, despite the mysterious disappearance of the entire Directorate of Applied Chemistry staff.

They came to your settlement to blow things up, didn’t they? Please keep them.

wary panther Apr 17, 2026, 1:29 AM

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I assume some past miscalculation when excavating near foundation without adequate geotechnical analysis

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To quote Justin Roczniak: "It's not supposed to look like that":

twin coral Apr 17, 2026, 1:58 AM

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that style would only work if the beavers were thinking like the nutty architect that designed Wayside School 😂

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 6:54 AM

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oh, you mean game, how dare you waste my efforts 😓

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 6:55 AM

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twin coral Be very careful with that barrel, my little furry friend 😏

oh, that's only badwater. could be hot tar or nitroglycerin 😉

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 6:56 AM

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radiant arch to go big snowflakes.. or small snowflakes.. 🤔

mix of both ? but mostly small ones i'd say

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 6:57 AM

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cloud flax You should look at the bramble shredder by used by nox :P

yeah, even I ended up using this setup 😂

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 7:08 AM

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shell fiber oh, you mean game, how dare you waste my efforts 😓

well crap, i don't think i can weasel my way out of this one

twin coral Apr 17, 2026, 7:54 AM

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shell fiber oh, that's only badwater. could be hot tar or nitroglycerin 😉

That was badwater all right 😏
and the little HappyFT cutie was very good about getting it to the mushroom grower that was providing brain mushrooms for the researchers in the library 😊

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 8:09 AM

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adjusted the 1x1 segment so it looks less busy with the others

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you can still do this kind of monstrosity if you feel like it though

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that works quite well i think 😊

devout obsidian Apr 17, 2026, 9:31 AM

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A minor glitch imo, the path should't be possible at all.

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 10:28 AM

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oh no !

shell fiber Apr 17, 2026, 10:30 AM

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devout obsidian A minor glitch imo, the path should't be possible at all.

actually it should, i don't want it blocked by a full item, but path/platforms should work, just fixed it.

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not sure your beavers would like to walk into a soot vent though 😅

devout obsidian Apr 17, 2026, 10:35 AM

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Heh first they walk into badwater, then through brambles, then some soot on top is just cosmetic 😁

cloud flax Apr 17, 2026, 11:11 AM

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shell fiber you can still do this kind of monstrosity if you feel like it though

Can it not be made into something like fence/tubeways that connect automatically with each other whenever they join? Atleast that's what I thought you meant when you said modular design

#Water Beaver Overhaul

I also added in the 8th "claw" relic that was missing. All claws will glow in WhitePaws.

image 2: The entrance to the secondary cache has been made both harder to get to and harder to flood. A second large source of berries has been added to the map.

image 3: Added in some at-start and near-to-start relics for an actual science boost rather than simply decoration as they were at the paws on level 2. For this map, this level, relics are surrounded by oak instead of thorns. (No thorns on this map at all)

image 4: Removed 1 bomb (it was where circled). Made some changes to the "manufactured" reservoir area to make it look even more artificial.

(not shown): Added 3 more (individual) birch trees on the 3rd level to seed bramble growth in other areas of that layer.

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The entrance to the secondary cache has been made both harder to get to and harder to flood. A second large source of berries has been added to the map.

image 3:
Added in some at-start and near-to-start relics for an actual science boost rather than simply decoration as they were at the paws on level 2. For this map, this level, relics are surrounded by oak instead of thorns. (No thorns on this map at all)

image 4:
Removed 1 bomb (it was where circled). Made some changes to the "manufactured" reservoir area to make it look even more artificial.

(not shown):
Added 3 more (individual) birch trees on the 3rd level to seed bramble growth in other areas of that layer.