Water Beaver Overhaul

[shell fiber]

there's no point trying to fight it

but it looks nice=)

[radiant heart]

lost on wet fur tho, had to drop in a few more lidos since they were not walking in the river with that one

[shell fiber]

everything has a cost 😉

(i'm still waiting for the devs to make a whitepaw heart emoji)

[shell fiber]

what in the holy name of f... ?

the curly stairs disappeared from my mod ?

[radiant heart]

there is somethin with the curly stairs, i have 2 versions

[shell fiber]

yeah i know, i had edited the specification file to show only the ones i like

but somehow it reverted on its own

why ? how ?

this is insanity

[radiant heart]

Maybe something in the stair mod was updated?

actually yhink i still have both on my version or it was change recently

Yup, still got both, the one i unlocked i prefer, the icon makes it easier to pick the one you want specially early on when you need to unblock one and don't have enough science for both

[shell fiber]

i checked and it doesnt seem so

plus we're talking about the thing i have in my unity not in the steam install

that's super weird

but whatever, i re-edited it

okay, deep elevator shaft is partially done

[radiant heart]

can't wait to see that one !

[shell fiber]

at least the voxels and updrade modules

(for now the modules are just templates

i'll take a screenshot

basically there's 6 slots for those modules (3 on the left and 3 on the right)

and i'll probably make an other type of module for the back

(also the power plug is in the center back)

not entirely sure which functions i'll have thought

😅

anyway, GN

we're closing on 10k downloads 🙂

[stone halo]

Ive uploaded Vertical Power Shaft that now includes WB variants

maybe you could quickly try them? Maybe tell me if you want something changed?

In the mean time im gonna do ladder

[shell fiber]

uuh, it's 2am i really gotta sleep 😅

[stone halo]

added this aswell

[stone halo]

oh yea, sorry forgot you have other timezone

gn

[shell fiber]

no problem !

i'll test as soon as i can

gn !

[abstract egret]

The water beaver faction alters the other factions as well. the other factions now also can't plant berry bushes, while they also don't have seeds for import.

[radiant heart]

can't play other factions with the WB in, gonna be a hot mess

[abstract egret]

yeah, the foresters still can plant them as it is still in the selection, but you can't dedicate fields. Obviously that should not happen.

[radiant heart]

did you disable the WB before playing another faction?

[abstract egret]

No no, I intend to play them again, just not today. So it was a bti of a surprise.

[radiant heart]

need to disable WB to play other factions, had that issue too at some point and there is kinda no way around that

[abstract egret]

No, that's not a good solution. The easy fix would be to simply allow berries for the water faction. I doubt it will change the gameplay and logistic, and it won't affect the other factions. because everything else is there

[radiant heart]

it works but they look like the FT ones, didn't you make them pink?

[radiant heart]

it changes a lot actually...

[abstract egret]

The WB mod adds to other factions, but as far as I can tell only the berries are gone?
Does it change crop growth?

[radiant heart]

berries are vital to the WB for science and some food things so you have to "protect" them from drying out

dandelions also should be gone, they also are not in the forester

( for WB)

[stone halo]

no, thats a bug still

still testing

but playing league right now

[radiant heart]

have fun ! if you need some more testing just poke me 😉

[stone halo]

aaah, cool ty 😄

[abstract egret]

The dandelions are there

[radiant heart]

that's strange cauz berries and dandelions received the same treatment with the WB, both are not plantable by the forester anymore, need the nursery

[abstract egret]

Well, I have not installed the latest version.

right...

forgot about that

[radiant heart]

just go in the mod manager and disable the WB, no need to remove it and it should solve the berries issu ( i suppose)

[abstract egret]

Ja, will do. In the meantime I will just relax and cheat XD

I just can't be bothered to actually play after a long day of work. I'm currently playing the mods like a city simulator.

but it actually helps to identify the limits of the mod

for how long has this mod been developed? A year? two? How long does this normally take?

[radiant heart]

it's more about limitation of the game, lapantoufle tried to make a "berry duplicate" but game didn't handle having 2 types of plants making the same crop, kinda like grapes have red and white ones

[abstract egret]

He should make gooseberries, they are light green and turn pinkish red.

[radiant heart]

Not sure how the game would handle that, thing is that would need 2 receipes for anything that uses berries a bit like the press needs a white grape and a red grape juice receipe

[tawdry bronze]

Stair cases is updated for Waterbeaver color scheme 🙂 do ping me if something is broken

[radiant heart]

Metal still loks quite darkwood

[tawdry bronze]

Ya there is no matching yellow texture (irregular)

So could not do that atm

[radiant heart]

i mean more of the steps color, with the dark metal handrails the white/pink planks would look great i think and for the yellow just drop in 4 metal fastener in the receipe and it justifies the yellow 😉

[tawdry bronze]

Ya but there is no matching version of texture in yellow wood, 🤔 maybe mossy wood could work.
Its not the same texture as normal stairs but an other bigger planks that is used for the metal stairs

[radiant heart]

for the stairs i mean, the pink/whitewash texture would make a nice contrast with the metal handrail, maybe @shell fiber got something for you on that one

For the pillars metal fasteners gives an excuse to keep the yellow

or i'm not getting waht you say 🤷‍♂️

[shell fiber]

I think irregular wood light brown is close enough from yellow, that's what I use for roofs.
For the handrails I have a custom metal texture that could be worth trying, I'll upload it when I get up 😴

[shell fiber]

Now that the blood eyes fixed the timber API issue I had, the wbo mod should not impact other factions to the point of inoperability. Specifically I thought I had fixed the berry issue for other factions but I'll confirm.

You might have to just update the mod, but when you do so make sure to delete the previous install, that also might be the issue

[shell fiber]

you can use it for other things if you want too 🙂

[tawdry bronze]

@radiant heart what do you think A or B?
just checking @shell fiber you dont have any irregular pink planks?

[abstract egret]

Am I doing something wrong?

[tawdry bronze]

think its because house is water tight so it need water tight object under it

[abstract egret]

ja, that makes sense. Still, false advertising. I'm gonna sue that beaver architect....

[shell fiber]

Well you can place buildings that are not watertight on top so it's not totally false advertising 😅
Also this stuff is generated automatically from the building properties 😉

[shell fiber]

Oh I didn't think about giving your the pink painted metal 😨

I kind of like the white planks maybe

[shell fiber]

same here, seems to work fine, strangely enought having the duplicate call (from my spec file and yours) does not bother the game. removing my call caused no issue so all good ! 🙂

[tawdry bronze]

😄

personaly i do like the last white version 😛

[shell fiber]

yeah i like it too 🙂
is the ramp black or is it just metal without light ?

[tawdry bronze]

dark metal 😄

just a copy of normal steel and new color values in the image

have one IT and one FT version

[shell fiber]

oh, why not shiny metal ?

[tawdry bronze]

wanted more contrast 😛 and not have as focus point but as a side color 😉

[shell fiber]

oh, i see. well as you like, ultimately that's an item from your mod so the choice is yours 🙂

[tawdry bronze]

Staircase mod updated 🙂

[shell fiber]

yay !

thanks !

[shell fiber]

curly stairs look good !

but the metal stairs seems to still be the Folktail variant 🙂

[tawdry bronze]

wait i did not change the Spec file

[shell fiber]

yeah i think so

😅

[tawdry bronze]

can you replace it with this and see if it works

[shell fiber]

yep i just added the ".WB" at the end of the staircase line

[radiant heart]

Prefer A, fits more with the light color pattern of the WB

[radiant heart]

WOW ! just WOW !! you keep impressing me every new thing you pop up !

[tawdry bronze]

@radiant heart went with the last one here with pink metal 😉 and white planks

and its live

[radiant heart]

the one on the right?

that looks cool!

[radiant heart]

Looks great and updating didn't make them disapear from previous save scouting around to see if something strange happenned but everything looks fine

[tawdry bronze]

how does it look compared to wooded one?

[radiant heart]

looks like they are made of metal !

[stone halo]

do i understand correctly it works fine now?

you just removed the buildings from the factionspecification of WB?

[radiant heart]

Not sure what did that but basic stairs are now in the platform menu

[tawdry bronze]

hmm wounder if there is a stairs spec file inside WB mod

[radiant heart]

not sure when it started happening, just noticed it i'd say 2-3 days ago it was at the right place but might be wrong

well, 50 wasn't long enough, went for 70!

[tawdry bronze]

wait @shell fiber what is your stairs called so i can move it inside stairs menu 😉
(Prefab name)

[radiant heart]

on the UI it says "Wooden Stairs"

[tawdry bronze]

ya and i need the name under the hud 😉

[radiant heart]

don't know that one, sry

[tawdry bronze]

we will know in due time

[shell fiber]

Probably the same bug in the matrix than the other day🧐

I fixed it in my version

[radiant heart]

did you try my save on your version to see how much gets broken?

really wanna try that elevator sthing but don't wanna remanage the whole storage/bots thing, actually started removing bots since you said they are going bye bye

[shell fiber]

Right now the elevator doors nothing, don't mind it

[radiant heart]

IGDAF, it looks cool and my beavers want one for the fun ride 🤣

[shell fiber]

what kind of things can i actually use this mine for now 🤔

the obvious thing is to mine deep and mysterious stuff.
i can definitely having an upgrade extracting natural gaz (methane) or water or something ?

i guess one can be a power module ? but isn't that a bit backward ?

the main one could be some sort of attraction 🤔

OR better : it could be some crazy housing facility

then the upgrade have the mining and power functionnalities

since you need to build the shaft for building the upgrades

it effectively works as a regular factory/house

[heavy lodge]

What are you doing ? You want to left the dev's without any options for U5 ? 😬

[shell fiber]

yeah i think i'm going with the insane house thing

but then i need to rework the power consumtion etc

[radiant heart]

methane mining would be awesome, we both know the maths now on the chunkers 😉 Clearly need a better source for it, spadderdock can't be it

Also the attraction part is cool, could it be like the treb that outside working hours they can visit the pit?

[shell fiber]

probably can be both a house and and attraction if i do things right 🙂

[radiant heart]

the house part i'm not sure, it's gonna be noisy there and not a nice place to rest... someone with half a brain would not want to live there, tought beavers were at least that smart 🤣

[shell fiber]

but to be honest the attraction could very easily be an upgrade, except the beavers would not be displayed going down the elevator

[shell fiber]

i'm sure there is plenty of galleries to refurbish as houses 🙂

[radiant heart]

i like the idea, just balancewise i'm not sure how crazy it could get even if the building has a 5x5 footprint

[shell fiber]

(but you can expect a good 45 beavers living down there 😅)

[heavy lodge]

Or more, on deeper upgrade ....

[radiant heart]

if it produce enough methane to keep 3-4 chunkers running it's ok i guess since they need a fuckton of workers, otherwise it's just a reason to create useless eaters

( yeah i know, useless eaters is the meta with that faction..)

[shell fiber]

it is mostly an excuse to make mouths to feed to be honest

but the upgrades won't be houses i think

so the workforce should be useful

also for the endgame challenge, i really want some insane crap

maybe i'll tone down the mine, but one of the five big endgame things should be some sort of beaver arcology

[radiant heart]

Challenge, endgame shit needs to be doable on diaroma ! ( i'll try it once you decided what it is 😉

[shell fiber]

oh, right

[radiant heart]

and i'm beeing nice to myself, don't wanna live with the WB on tourniquet 😆

actually, if i remove the "drain sources" with cheater mode....🤔 dam... now i'm getting even more stoopid ideas for my next run

[shell fiber]

i don't think i know this map

is it the thing from the previous context where there was negative strength sources

?

[radiant heart]

it's the super tiny map i did when U4 came out and you were patching up the WB, like a 7 or 9 wide by not that long, space is even smaller then diaorama, it's the less area available map that exist up to now ( and , gotta admit, had a blast with It on it)

[shell fiber]

oh right

i think i see what it is

i don't think i can make it achieavabke with this

on diorama it shoudl work

[radiant heart]

well, as long as the end shit is not more then max width of the map 🤷‍♂️

(and terraforming is still available)

[shell fiber]

what are the dimensions of that smallest map ?

[radiant heart]

give me a sec, will double check

9x69

[shell fiber]

hmm...

[radiant heart]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/dobhrans-tourniquet-challenge-map

[shell fiber]

9 is really narrow

[radiant heart]

for a building 9 wide is quite big

[shell fiber]

i want the structure to be at least 12x12 if not 15x15

😅

[radiant heart]

even that on diaroma gonna be almost impossible

12x12 maybe, 15x15.. big "X for doubt"

[shell fiber]

diorama is 50x50

and it will likely be resting on pit and ladder lodges so above ground

but i'm not entirely sure of the shape i want it to have

[radiant heart]

but you lose at least 6 on one side for sources and undergroung mine so make it 40x50, plus water still needs to run ... I kinda see a way but ... ouch,

Aight, i'll try it on diaroma but not on hard mode... deal?

IMO a 9x9 "Wonder" would already be quite something, even on my actual run i can't find a patch of land to drop that in 😆

and i need to find spadderdock planting field too 😂

[shell fiber]

don't play hard mode 🤣

oh i also have somethign cooking to allow stackability of clockwork farms

[radiant heart]

On a more serious note, How about making a receipe in the chunker that makes metal blocks from scrap metal and cost less methane? Because right now my smelter field is just decoration under the waterfall...

[shell fiber]

ah

[radiant heart]

for smaller maps it could be a nice option

[shell fiber]

hmm...

it's true that those become kind of useless once you have the huge foundry...

i mean to be fair, i don't know if you're really supposed to have 2 foundries running full time 😅

[radiant heart]

i'm thinking like 25 scrap, and 10 methane for same result in same amount of time, would still require 4 alchemist full time on methane and didn't make the maths for the spadderdock but seems right with the time and rss it takes to make the scrap from smelter

[radiant heart]

it's all your fault, you created this, don't blame me for wanting those cool buildings to run !😅 🤣

and that coffee is quite expensive, IMO would be worth a "+" much higher then 3 😉

[shell fiber]

that's the actual value for coffee

i didn't change it

it gives 50/trip right ?

damn i should actually run the math

considering the decay rate, production of spadderdock and so on

maybe i can toss it to chatGPT

[radiant heart]

yes but making the glass is part of that methane issue, like i can't produce enough deluxe stew cauz spadderdock is going in glass to make coffee to make a less valuable buff

[shell fiber]

aah, i see

[radiant heart]

don't need that, you got ppl around that will play it and see if somethimg gets just dumb, then adjust and see how it rolls, much more fun like that

the maths is one thing but the player experience can't be done in GPT. kinda like it was a fun challenge to find how i was always running low on spadderdock, turned out it was a balance thing but trying to solve that was part of the fun

And one last thing before hitting the bed

this is still a thing 🤣

GN !

[shell fiber]

i didn't push any update since last time so i guess it still is 😅

for now the mine elevator "only" houses 30 beavers, and can accomodate 60 visitors total, so 30 more can come visit the ruins for a +5 bonus to wellbeing that decays in 20 days

[heavy lodge]

But, in the "borehole", no "eating monster" ? 😮

[shell fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[shell fiber]

i'm working on this at the moment

[radiant heart]

nice, so no need for lights i guess!

[brazen vessel]

Befor I even try this out how difficult is the mod

[radiant heart]

it's harder then the regular factions for sure

probably gonna die quick on first try with it just to get a hang of it, early game is nothing like the rest except the basic "you need food and water"

[toxic sigil]

can anyone help me with my mod? ive tried it though mod manager and manual install and neither are working for me

[radiant heart]

delete the folder and try again from mod manager maybe? also gotta be a bit patient to let it download, the file is big

[tawdry bronze]

• dont click on anything while it download

[shell fiber]

I've made some video tutorials (you can find them on mod. Io)
You're still likely going to lose your first couple colonies but that should help

[shell fiber]

Well there actually is lamps on the underside of the platform, but I got an other idea for where the light could come from

[radiant heart]

mirrors so it's only glass?

[shell fiber]

Probably something that involves pentagrams, frozen human meat, Beaver bones and yes glass 😅

At least that's one possibility

Well to be honest that doesn't really make the whole thing much simpler

[radiant heart]

already giant sequoia logs ( 4 i guess,plus glass is some work)

[shell fiber]

I was thinking about having it consume some power and can it a day, but that leaves it open to just pausing it

[radiant heart]

ain't it already consuming power?

[shell fiber]

Well generally speaking I want (need) some sort of artificial light

[shell fiber]

The farm is

The super platform is not yet

[radiant heart]

just with glass and metal you can make mirrors, and reflect sunlight

[shell fiber]

But being a platform is not going to be affected by being paused

[radiant heart]

and mirrors could also be a nice decoration too beef up well beeing a tad more 😉 so they are not used only for that one building

[shell fiber]

Well yeah but mirrors don't create light of you don't have any around

[radiant heart]

you playing with the night only mod? 🤣

[shell fiber]

It's also to be consumed in the deep mine exploration

[radiant heart]

articicial lights to boost production on farming field too? I mean if you're doing lights might as well use them

kinda like a beehive on steroïds that doesn't hurt the beavers

[shell fiber]

Could be yes

[radiant heart]

just concerned a bit how complicated the process is gonna get and be a mess for ppl not in here aware of actually what is going on

[shell fiber]

Oh dear good I just had an awful idea

Radium

That makes light

Zero effort, lasts forever

[radiant heart]

but how do you get it if you need lights for the deep mining shaft? 🤔

not trying to fluf myself but think mirror could do a few cool stuff, just need to give it a tought for a bit

[shell fiber]

Well making mirrors as an item would be easy but displaying it visually would be much more difficult

A bit like glass but worse i suspect

Or maybe not actually

But mirrors are not a light source. If you make a 25x25x25 gigafarm, no matter how many mirrors you have it will be hard to convince people that light somehow reaches the bottom layers 🤔

[radiant heart]

that's because you've never seen that mummy movie where a whole god knows how big underground thing is lit by mirrors 😉

[shell fiber]

I looked it up a bit more and... I have been lied to 😨

I always though that radium had the weird property of emitting visible light as part of its normal radioactive decay (X rays and gamma rays are "light" but out of the visible spectrum).

But turns out... no. It's an other florescent thing that makes the light, ionising radiation just activates it

So there's no point using radium more than any other material except for the properties such as half life, radiation type etc.

Apparently nowadays tritium cells are better because they're mostly safe

[radiant heart]

How about fireflies ? 🤣

[shell fiber]

That's... Actually a really good idea 🤔

[radiant heart]

also, while watching JC stream yesterday, someone mentionned a beefed up engine that burns only the sequoia logs, tought it would be smart

even with a gizillion flywheels, think 10-15 big wheels, power is just not enough

[shell fiber]

Yeah for the endgame we definitely need a new power source

But I was more going for nuclear power

Probably some sort of building that goes into the river and directly consume water from it

And of course consumes plutonium or something from the deep mine

[heavy lodge]

Nuclear power is for IT. For WB could be something like a floating wave power plant

[shell fiber]

Also tiny flywheels waste a lot of energy so a bazillion is effectively far worse than a few large ones

[shell fiber]

I don't think so, the It just burn down entire forests for power 😅

[shell fiber]

Also rivers don't really have waves 😅

[heavy lodge]

and you want WB to drain all the water for power ? 😆

[shell fiber]

Yeah 😅

I mean everyone kind of expect the deep ruins to be full of radioactive crap, and I want it to be a necessary step towards more power and the endgame so that leaves only so many solutions 😉

[heavy lodge]

But, you have glass. Why not a solar power field array ? Will be environmental friendly

[shell fiber]

Well I generally like nuclear power too 😅

But that could be an idea

I have quartz for silicon

Glass and metal

[heavy lodge]

and could use arid land for this....

[shell fiber]

Oh you won't have the luxury of keeping the land dry with this mod 😅

[heavy lodge]

Even on a 384X384 map ?

[shell fiber]

I can have a beaver working the solar array to ensure it works mostly during daytime

But the base of the issue for me is that I don't want to make other power sources obsolete

[heavy lodge]

and power stored by Fly Wheels .... winll be nice to see

[shell fiber]

I can have both solar power and nuclear power, the drawback of bucket can be that it consume enormous amounts of water

And solar requires a crapton of materials

Kind of like real life, fittingly

[heavy lodge]

don't think that will become obsolete, just an alternative variant to water wheels during drought...

maybe produce less power during wet season (cloudy when raining) ?

Could ask Hytone if is a key word in the name for a prefab (sun, maybe) , and have rotating solar pannel with his mod ?

[shell fiber]

I don't know how to do that, but solar panels will be mostly balanced by the space they take up and the resources they cost, and probably won't generate a huge amount of power

Don't forget the windmills still exist, the h12 variant is still somewhat reasonable I think

Actually you can easily place a bunch on top of clockwork farms

[shell fiber]

I wasn't particularily looking for that, but i think i found the solution to my clay pot / medium cauldron / large cauldron issue

which was not really an issue for anyone but me

i think the broken kart will drop one medium cauldron back again, instead of a clay pot (you can make them anyway with zero tech)

the medium cauldron is now not only used in cooking, but is also necessary to make the primitive paper mill

and the primitive paper mill no longer requires 30 science to be unlocked

so that effectively brings the primitive paper mill down one tech level

and since metal cauldrons are so expensive (40 Scrap metal + 40 coal) that makes spamming primitive paper mills much more costly (altought since the cauldrons are never destroyed, you can still do and reuse them later for cooking), which in turn makes the real paper mill much more appealing, since it frees up one medium cauldron, that could allow for one cooking house

now the main question is : should the primitive ironworks still be able to make medium cauldrons ? because the stuff the kart drops is in principle stuff you cannot make at this moment

the factory is not excessively far, and getting better food is all but an emergency

but then there is only 2 reciepes in the primitive metalworks, which i think is low.

i guess having it make tools could be nice, but that is complicated to make

i was also considering giving it the reciepe for some bot parts at some point, but for now bots are out

metal tools that can be used as part of the build cost of some buildings could be nice

🤔🤔🤔🤔

i could take this opportunity to fix this inconsitency of having the basic farm and waterpump require no pineresing

not that basic waterpumps would require tools but the farm can, so if i make a crappier version of each...

hmm

nah

i don't want to add more trouble to the early game

oh no right, there is the planing group issue anyway

but tools remain a good idea for the assistant farmer upgrade and large farmhouse, small , medium and deep mine

i can replace the scrap metal of the handicrafter cost by tools (that's kind of what i intended to represent)

not the small mine, i don't want people to softlock themselves like idiots

[shell fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-hell-gif-13171534

[heavy lodge]

Mauna Kea observatory ?

[tawdry bronze]

😮 how do you set where it waters or does it pump up to a specific place?

also do you want help setup OBS to record on the computer instead of phone? 😉

[shell fiber]

oh i could record my screen properly, it's just a million times easier and faster to pull the phone 😅

[tawdry bronze]

hehe

[shell fiber]

it's the usual "water input" and "water output" scripts. i figured there is nothing binding either of them in the building's volume so i just placed the output 15 blocs away and 5 blocs up for now

the input is in the middle of the buidling basically

[heavy lodge]

It's not spraying water, it throws water bomb 😮

[shell fiber]

i can't get the water material to load properly 😅

[tawdry bronze]

hmm but how to know where it waters
would maybe been good with a flag but that is hard to do with the ocupation but maybe add a flag to unbuilt even if it does not take any space

[shell fiber]

oh yeah that's what i did, there is a tiny blue flag in the position where the water lands

it's purely visual though, no occupancy or anything

i'll rework the pink spinny thing animation tomorrow

[tawdry bronze]

You could try this material or just shader

[shell fiber]

thanks

i'll dl it but only try tomorrow

it's almost 2am

[tawdry bronze]

think i got it sort of working may not look exacly as water but better then what i had first (not working at all)

may not be the exact color as in base game but that can be tweeked if needed 😉

[hearty heron]

Hello, you can also record using the native Windows app 🙂

[hearty heron]

@shell fiber
Wanted to say that I'm really impressed by this mod and really like it so far, I didn't went very far yet but I'm starting to understand how to mastering it after some "small" errors lol... having enough water and food is pretty hard to manage (maybe too much?) and I was wondering if your were looking for help (btw, I'm french, it looks like you are too so it may be simpler to cooperate :P)

Damn those brambles what a mess when we miss something 🤣 I love them haha

[hearty heron]

It looks like there's a bug when we try to place a "solid watertight" building on top of a simple "solid" building, for example, lodge on warehouse, but a warehouse on a lodge is working.. is that a limitation of the "watertight" mecanisme ?
It is much more frustrating since we cant place watertight building on top of plateforms in addition of the levee we can't place where we would like to..

[heavy lodge]

Something watertight must be placed only on ground or on other watertight buildings, This is because of how water system works in game.

[hearty heron]

Well ok but this is very frustrating to not being able to place building on top of warehouse or even platforms.. 😦

[heavy lodge]

Maybe, but this is how it works with this faction. You must adapt ...

[hearty heron]

It's just that the vertical building are quite limited so, thus small maps (or with limited horizontal expansion possibilities) are even harder if not impossible to really progress and obtain higher components, I'm always trying to destroy warehouse to re-build them on-top and platforms are pretty useless (not stackable and we can't build on-top)

Imho it's a pretty hard limitation on the mod, making the other building watertight might resolve the issue and the levees like how they are implemented are very frustrating since we can't optimize the water flow to increase power generation and avoid flooding cause by tight river + chaining wheels (it increase the water level before the wheels and create flooding)

[radiant heart]

gonna destroy alll the small ones and put back shaft, maybe i overlooked that aspect of it

[radiant heart]

titanium for a high power engine that burns the sequoia logs?

[radiant heart]

Guess we found our Tree Hugger in the group 😂

[radiant heart]

probably not, i got maybe 10% left gray on my curent run ( think it's a 190~x190~ish) can't produce enough of anything, storage is always empty on most stuff except drinkables

[radiant heart]

maybe something to merge with rotating sun mod ? 🤔 so will want the pannels in the most efficient spots

[radiant heart]

Windmills are shit seriously, unless you cheat and dump them on a ladder platform

[radiant heart]

good one indeed... i'd say if the coocking tent gets another food thing ( like roasted salted sunflower seeds as exemple) the med chauldron could be pushed a step back

[radiant heart]

good call, early game is quite messy already, it could use some help and variety, not harder stuff 😉

[radiant heart]

"the Squirter" ?

[radiant heart]

Maybe @kind spire can give you a hand on the "spray" thing, it's kinda like smoke but beeing affected by gravity i guess

[heavy lodge]

But pmduda says "Is no gravity in game" 🤣

#🤖mod-creators message

[radiant heart]

there is still a up and down for the animation, if balloons can fly, water can spray ! 😉

[shell fiber]

Well ima large part that's the point, you don't have overly convenient dam blocks so you have to do with watertight houses. Log levies are only good for minimal ground adjustment so effectively you can't rework the terrain as much as the FT or IT.

I can't put anything watertight without also making it a house because then people would effectively start using them as levies and build a thousand just to make a dam which cause the entire faction to decay into some slightly weird folktails. It's not easy at first but I'm sure you'll eventually figure out how to arrange your buildings. And for your storage issue maybe you can try the liquid storage house and crate storage house on the storage panel, they are watertight, can store quite a lot and are stackable for the low cost of one Beaver family each 😉

Oh also some maps are really really hard on this mod, especially the ones where space is limited or that have a lot of clutter

[heavy lodge]

low cost of one Beaver family each ? 🤣

[shell fiber]

Someone has to keep an eye on the inventory 😉

[heavy lodge]

at least storage don't have dwellers, yet ...

[radiant heart]

I did a run on diaorama, it's a hot mess but it's doable ( wasn't my first rodeo tho) think it was even after a run on hard mode so i was quite aware of what was going on with the WB 😉

smaller then that tho, not sure, been lurking at tourniquet for a while but the lack of options for 1x1 blockage is a big concern

even with IT and a crapton of mods that map was challenging but super fun, with WB tho... not sure it's doable, plantable zone VS stuff needed for vertical farming is most probably not gonna cut it

@shell fiber did you consider giving buildings 2 power plug instead of one? like on oposite side or something? with smaller maps that could be helpfull and consume a tad less place without just making a "you toutch you transfer" system like the vanilla way

[shell fiber]

Well but where to put a second one and have it still make sense ? The sawmill backside is just 2x3 so I don't see much benefit in putting an other plug 2 meters to the right

On the front side it would be a huge mess

I think

[radiant heart]

thinking more on a side, some on the left, some on the right.

Would make it possible to have a bit less shafts and more flexibility

[shell fiber]

Hmm... But that would quickly became the same at the original system don't you think ? 🤔
Just arrange things correctly and tadaaa only one shaft powers the entire industrial complex.
I think it's more interesting to have a bunch of shafts crawling on the backside wall of your dam using side platforms 😅

[radiant heart]

not that much, with only one side it will be quite hard to link buildings, thinking more like 2 layers, front/back with having 3 buildings close to make the damn but one can be 1 square forward or something to make mor eplace for water 😉

not sure it's clear, might need to draw something out

[radiant heart]

like keeping it compact but still needing shafts

[storm gulch]

I understand you update this mod frequently, is there any chance that updating the version I'm using will break saves or mod compatibility?

Or should I just stick with one version for a full playthrough

[kind spire]

I can probably send a modified version of the mouth-washing particle system

[hearty heron]

It could be really nice to have the two-height levee buildable along a single-height block at least, for the rest it's manageable 😛

[heavy lodge]

Will be more safe this way 🤣

[shell fiber]

Breaking the save entirely is very rare, but in your case it's a good idea to ask before updating 😅

As far as I know the latest version is safe and stable, @radiant heart generally finds bugs very fast and didn't find any yet 😊

Which version are you on btw ?

[shell fiber]

That seems like a job for the 1-tall logs levee 😅
More seriously it's difficult to make optional requirements when it comes to placement rules 😓

[radiant heart]

For now i'd say it's quite safe to update, been a while now since updating will crash your save

actually depending on the version you are on you could still have some bugs that don't exist anymore

[shell fiber]

pretty sure he's on 2.2.2 which was pretty stable
there is new dependencies though

[radiant heart]

gonna be missing the baloon balance and not sure if the grape mush is still on that one 🤔 that's the 2 first things that came to my mind

[raven stag]

how do you easy remove brambles?

it grow fast

[heavy lodge]

cut them for logs. is faster then to clear ...

[raven stag]

thanks

[radiant heart]

need an army to cut them faster then they grow, easiest is to drown them actually

[shell fiber]

brambles don't grow during drougths, so it's easier to put paths everywhere to prevent them growing back if you remove them at that time

if you can spare the food and workforce a woodfeller plannification lodge should help, they have +25% cutting speed if i'm correct

[radiant heart]

i tryed and even with that if you don't wanna have to path behind everytime they cut it's not gonna make it

[shell fiber]

nah there's really nothing crucial he need immediately, but if i remember correctly he still had the berries planting tool hidden (not that he's anywhere close from being able to plant new ones.

but i'd like him to build the news billboard just for the sake of showing other people it exist 😅

[radiant heart]

just have to drop in a comment on his vid, will most probably be done the week after, plus it has a huge area of well-beeing boost, sure worth it in early game

[raven stag]

btw is there a guide on how to start water beaver?

it been a long time since i last played so i forgot

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1uKbaH8_ew and rest of them

[radiant heart]

it's actually a good thing you forgot since they are nothing like the other factions 😉

[radiant heart]

think the rice is still later in game too and the fried rice not available as soon or that's been a while? 🤔

[shell fiber]

oh i don't know if i have pushed that in the last update

can you check ?

next update is going to be pretty big

so it's going to take a while for me to finish it

and it might be buggy

[heavy lodge]

When you are mad about something, say "Bramble" ..., it's everywhere 🤣

[radiant heart]

give me 5 need to boot the game and it's getting a bit long to load that colony 😉

[radiant heart]

nope, still not in, ( should be in the small tent right?)

[shell fiber]

yep fried rice in the small tent and rice plantable by the farm

[radiant heart]

so that's not in that version

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber good job on the tutorial BTW 😉 watched just out of curiosity and it's quite a nice heads up

[shell fiber]

thanks !

time to sleep

GN

[radiant heart]

laughed my ass off with the "part 3 of 2", cracked me up, made my day

GN

[radiant heart]

Just tought about something, instead of having 5 balloons, can't there be just one and it has the receipe for every types of trade and color changes according to the trade selected?

[shell fiber]

well i had one hour to kill so i finished that thing

it's both a lido and an irrigation tower, and i'll probably have the bottom part make fertilizer and add the beehive effect to the irrigation top part

Definitely needs to be taller though🤔

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h4O3pgxqFU This was indeed a jungle bramble apocalypse 🤣

[storm gulch]

This is without question the hardest timberborn playthrough I have ever attempted

Including the one I did with 39-day droughts

[heavy lodge]

Hope will never try to play with this faction in hard mode

[shell fiber]

@heavy lodge oh by the way, awful stew no longer kills beavers, it just makes then quite unhappy 🙂

[shell fiber]

he keeps skimming over the screwpress but never sees it 🤣

[heavy lodge]

Well, is familiarized with a menu fill with submenus, not with a such number of items in a menu 🥳

[kind spire]

There’s a reason there’s the “is this mod too hard?” Billboard

[heavy lodge]

No, is a reason for "water hell" moto 😂

[shell fiber]

actuallyi changed that to "welcome to your pinkest nightmare."

because they're not litterally in water all the time 😉
and it's probably how redneck feels about the color palette

[heavy lodge]

Then, make bramble, pink 🤣

[shell fiber]

@heavy lodge oh my bad, i just checked an i was wrong, awful stew actually still can kill beavers, but it is much much harder. basically you would need to deliberately feed them only that stuff to reach a point where that kills them, and that would take quite a few days

[heavy lodge]

YA, it's how I remember to be, only if is your last food resources, will only delay the end ...

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBesg_nPWXU Sorry, canot watch this now, must check the Choo! Choo! mod. Hope someone can assist this "bramble fight" 🤣

[analog zodiac]

we need a fire mod to turn the tides against the brambles!

[heavy lodge]

Well, with realistic behaviour mod, now all plants under forester tab and aquatic crops will spread more easily, luck for us, won't grow fast like bramble 🤣

[shell fiber]

oh he's streaming right now i didn't understand

[sullen yew]

Has the Series already died?😂

[storm gulch]

Not quite yet, although it's looking rough right now

[sullen yew]

Oh no lol. Well good luck trying to keep them alive haha

[shell fiber]

don't hesitate to ask if you need some advice 🙂

[storm gulch]

I tend to usually prefer the school of hard knocks, but I may need to ask about some time at some point

Hope you survive watching my video 🤣

[shell fiber]

i'll stock on painkiller just in case 😅

[shell fiber]

whelp, that was a lot of streaming to watch today, i guess tomorrow i'll have one more 😅

[heavy lodge]

Cannot help, sorry, busy testing train mod 🚆

[shell fiber]

no problem !

[heavy lodge]

It's a problem, must watch later. 😮

[shell fiber]

time to sleep for me ! GN

oh i finished my thign of course

irrigation lido bathhouse beehive all combined in one building

[heavy lodge]

So, a bath for bee ? 🤣

[heavy lodge]

GN

[storm gulch]

This is absolutely glorious

[heavy lodge]

@storm gulch , still want more stuffs in the mod ? 👏

[storm gulch]

I'm fine with whatever gets put in the mod, it's already kicking my ass hard enough 🤣

[placid flare]

if I get this correctly...

do I get some basic tools when I deconstruct first district center?

[shell fiber]

Not exactly tools but you will be able to recover an anvil, the book set and chemistry set yes.
Don't destroy it before your new town center is build though !

[radiant heart]

will the water consumption be comparable to the lido or the irrigation tank?

[radiant heart]

lol, i did it a little while ago, about at the same time windmills got nerfed, was quite a mess but still manageable 😉

Wonder how with the new balance early game how it would go and will most probably do one next time i restart a run

[radiant heart]

Had a lond day, can't wait to get my dose of wet wednesday! probably gonna be spamming comments, will try not to go too hard but can't promess anything 😉

[heavy lodge]

But, with "bramblepocalipse" how can you get food in hard mode when you will be busy fighting bramble ?

EldGames when goes mad in the game, now say "Bramble" ... it's everywhere 🤣

[shell fiber]

I'm going to up a little bit the woodfeller lodge bonus, it's actually +10% work speed, not sufficient to cut down brambles efficiently

I bumped it to 25% but that will be for the next update.

I have prepared the needs for major injury, minor burns, major burns, mild disease and severe disease, but the scripts that can be used to apply them to beavers are save-breaking 😑

(to expand on the healthcare and so on)

[heavy lodge]

Major injury, burns and disease ? Will have some kind of "beavorospitals" ?

[shell fiber]

I already added a clinic 😉

Of course the rest bed is still there but less efficient

Godamn autocorrect

[radiant heart]

bramble is easy to manage once you
1- Are aware how badly they spread
2-Have efficient ways of clearing them
3-iif shit really hits the fan there is always "cheater mode" but i avoid it as much as possible or just to repair stuff an update messed up

[shell fiber]

Basically minor injury/burn/disease can be treated with lots of rest, the others... Not really

The severe variant will need the hospital

Of course in either case the beaver won't work

[radiant heart]

I like but it's harsh, can't you just lower the recovery time so they can use whatever is available and depending on where they are the injury is gone faster?

[shell fiber]

I think pushing brambles back by placing path everywhere is acceptable too, so that's fine

[radiant heart]

like nothin is 0,2x recovery, rest bed 0,5x, clinic 1x, with meds 1,5x... and so on

[heavy lodge]

at least can deal with them during drought ,not spreading during drought, yet 🤣

[shell fiber]

What's bugging me a little bit more is that the elf guy is using a bunch of unconnected houses as dam 🤐

[radiant heart]

Keyword "YET"

At least they don't grow over path and building fondations to block them now 😅

now THAT was a bramble nightmare

[heavy lodge]

But, if their seeds could spread, let say, 5 tiles away ? 👹

[radiant heart]

can the game mechanics handle that?

not that i want that, just curious on the faisability

[heavy lodge]

not now

if someone will make a mod for plants to spread also vertical, can also increase the spread range (anyway the mechanism must be changed) ...

[shell fiber]

Hurray 🎉
10.000 downloads ! 🤸

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-valtatui-gif-18085613

[shell fiber]

In theory yes, but that would require a custom script. Right now it just looks at the voxels immediately adjacent on an horizontal plane.

If I could just asks Santa I would want the script to allow ±1 voxel up/down and a distance modifier that looks at the size of the plant, so that 2x2 plans actually try to spread 2 voxels away and not one since that can't work

[radiant heart]

2x2 plants? tou got me intrigued!

or you want pumpkins to be able to spread?

[heavy lodge]

#🚀mod-users message

[radiant heart]

@crazy idea, could the "game modes" be tied to the faction ( or make another button) like a harder mode with , yes longer droughts but still descent amount of "wet days"

[heavy lodge]

You can use custom settings when starting a new game ....

[radiant heart]

i know but having one included in the mod would be nice i think

other tought of the day, How about making clay more relevant by having a second way to build the logstair and shitty platforms?

Like remove a few logs and drop in some clay, still thinking about the balance, neeed to double check the output rate for clay

[heavy lodge]

YA, but I wish to have a reverse handicap for wet season. I mean, when droughts get longer, wet to be shorter 🙏

[radiant heart]

Hard mode is already there, cant get i think it's 5 D wet and 30 dry

thing would be to let dry go over 30 but at that point wet would have to be a tad longer

[heavy lodge]

NOOOOO, shorter, how hard mod if wet get longer ?

[radiant heart]

can wet be even down to 0?

i mean at some point need to have water that flows some day or another

[heavy lodge]

It can be, but, then it's not hard mode, it's the end of beaver life

[radiant heart]

that's my point, reached a point on helix mountain that 0 water was leaving the map and reservoirs were never overflowing in the back up zone...

[heavy lodge]

Well, it seems that can make water burning something, at least with WB 🤣

[radiant heart]

with the mines and the water extractor it's already more doable tho but wonder even if supper dumb efficient if it's even possible to have a waterflowless WB run 🤔 geez i hate you now, wanna see if it's doable

i mean how long to have descent "waterless water production" to survie

🤔

[heavy lodge]

Survive waterless means not only water to drink, also to irrigate crops 🐸

[radiant heart]

need to see the ratio with the super tower lapantouffle just popped out, atm lido irrigation is easier on the water consumption but you lose planting ground so... the trade off is descent

[shell fiber]

If I estimated things right, the new super irrigation tower should use basically twice more water than a lido irrigation (basically 1 water for 2.5 days Vs 1 water/ 5 days)
I'll adjust the normal irrigation tower to that value too, but it won't have the baths/lido effect. Might give it a fertilising aura though, but that's a save breaking change

[shell fiber]

Or should I say "if knatte's calculations are correct"

Uugh I'll have to make duplicates of so many buildings if I don't want to make it save-breaking 😮‍💨

[radiant heart]

maybe push a uptade prior to the save breaking one and make a heads up on the News billboard? 🤔

like keep it playable without save breaking up to 2.2.9 and at 2.3.0 it's start over?

[shell fiber]

Could be an option, but in order to save your colony and make it compatible you'd have to raze a lot of things

[shell fiber]

It's difficult to roll back the changes that I've already made 😅

[radiant heart]

dam, didn't think about that

[shell fiber]

I'll just do the damn duplicates

Wait actually I didn't do many of them yet

I can probably manually undo them, push an update then go with the big one

I might need some testing help😉

I prepared the disease and stuff but on their own they don't do anything yet

[radiant heart]

i know someone that could help i think 🤔

[tawdry bronze]

if buildings is removed you can close the console to not save and do more tries

[radiant heart]

found that out recently, helping getting over the "making a back up save prior to update"

[tawdry bronze]

ya

[shell fiber]

Grumpf... My internet is down again...
Not that I really need it for modding but I was planning on watching some let's plays 😅

[shell fiber]

dumb mouse chew on the cables again

（Please disregard the background）

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvtu1eb4vNQ

[shell fiber]

he doesn't do a stream today ?

[radiant heart]

How about a deep water something that removes filth like a Deep dive bath or something? 🤔 would be nice to have stuff to make at the bottom of the deep reservoirs other then just filling it up with bamboo

would also be helpfull for longer droughts 😉

[heavy lodge]

Tomorrow

[shell fiber]

hmm...i don't really know what i could do that would be interesting with the reservoir water...
not super high priority too, i want to push an update out soon if i can

right now i'm moving forward with my plan regarding tools

and the cauldrons and so on

oh but i need to leave the ability to make cauldrons in the ironworks for now, because games that have already started won't get it otherwise

[radiant heart]

with the traction the mod got recently preserving saves gonna be a tad more important i guess

[shell fiber]

yep

about the clay, do you see anything that could obviously require clay but that yet doesn't ?
anything that involves cooking needs some for insulating i guess

the log levee could consume some arguably

i change the reciepe for pencils to use clay and no longuer oil (which is more accurate i think)

[radiant heart]

don't remember if i mentionned it in here, but the crappy platforms and the log pile stairs could have a second version that requires clay and drops a bit the amount of logs

[heavy lodge]

Watertight buildings is more likely to use clay then resin 🤣

[radiant heart]

both maybe? cut down the resin a bit and drop in some clay

cauz atm clay is quite underused and accessible super early

[shell fiber]

that's what i feared 😅

[heavy lodge]

No, will make sense treated planks, but available at the start at the game

[shell fiber]

but i already set out to make resin and tar the caulking materials

at this point i don't want to reshuffle everything

i have clay being used as molds for anvils though

will be used for the steel sawblades when i at last get to that

actually you also need quite a lot for making clay pots, wood burners and smelters too

[heavy lodge]

You asked an opinion, and , you have-it. But, in a postapocaliptic future, hwo knows how will be in the future ? Mod creator only 🥳

[radiant heart]

maybe some food processing that requires a bit of clay 🤔 there are coocking techniques that involve wraping your stuff in clay and slowcoocking it like that

[shell fiber]

hmm... i like the idea

[radiant heart]

but has to be a long process like, idk, 4 days to cook but a good boost from input amount of food to output

[shell fiber]

is there anything interesting to go with bricks ? were i to add that ?

that could be part of heavy industrial buildings, but they also used clay quite often

[radiant heart]

first ting in mind is walls but that would basicaly just become vanilla game levees

[shell fiber]

plus i would need to make it appear on the models visually

[shell fiber]

yep

oh, actually i wanted to add some palissades

just because i like making fences around my city in age of empires

with watchtowers and stuff

(completely unnecessary though)

[radiant heart]

i like the brick idea but since buildings already use clay it would only be an extra step for something that already exist so not sure it's worth your time unless some super cool idea op up

[shell fiber]

yeah, the benefit is really marginal

[radiant heart]

lol, ppl like having decoration options so why not

[shell fiber]

not really worth it

[shell fiber]

maybe i'll make it a separate mod

oh, water storages !

they could cost clay

they don't require any pine resin in general

[heavy lodge]

Then make bramble , when cut, to make a kind of straws, instead of logs. That can be used for palisade, or, mixed with clay and water, for contruction ?

[shell fiber]

hmm... i think if brambles didn't at least give a log people would be very upset at them

well, nothing urgent anyway

oh, just got an idea

i can make fancy pottery that makes beavers happy

that's not the worst idea

[heavy lodge]

if bramble can give an log, birch must give at least 20, and oak, God knows 🤣

[shell fiber]

yeah i know it doesn't really makes sense but... uhhh, let's pretend they wave it into somethign sturdy enough ? 😅

[radiant heart]

like decoration or a place they go and make pots for fun?

[shell fiber]

i was thinking more like a consummable item,

oooh

i can make them have a slightly beaverish bowling alley

except you have to break the pots ?

or some zelda-like smash fest 😅

[heavy lodge]

@shell fiber , can you add a secondary output for a farm ? Like when harvesting something that must be replanted, to produce also, let say, straws ?

[shell fiber]

i didn't try, but i don't think the plant scripts have any provision to produce multiple ressources

you can make them produce A and then have a building split A into B+C though

but this kind of things tends to lead to clogging

you can have one gatherable (bramble flower) and one cuttable (generally a log) if you want but that's about it

[radiant heart]

love the bowling alley

taht would be awesome ! gonna need treated planks for the alley tho

[shell fiber]

uuh

nah

just planks

treated planks don't deserve to live

[fresh torrent]

hello beavers! i have once again takin a long break from well games in general, what did i miss? and whats mods work with this one now?

[radiant heart]

Ladder, staircase, path extension and the depedencies ones

maybe some others but on the top of my head it's all i remember

[fresh torrent]

what are the dependencie mods?

[radiant heart]

list is a tad long can see it on the mod manager

[heavy lodge]

The mod needed for a mod to run

[radiant heart]

Ho flywheels and extended shafts work too

[fresh torrent]

ah

[shell fiber]

okay, i just added tools, they are used...pretty much everywhere you could imagine any sort of tool could be useful

[radiant heart]

gonna make a back up save for sure before this one

😅

[shell fiber]

the cost is not very high, neither is production time so hopefully that doesn't blow up everything out of balance

well importantly, the medium mine consumes tools at a low rate

others use it mostly as construction stuff

[radiant heart]

and they are made in the primitive ironwork ?

[shell fiber]

yep

[radiant heart]

cool, gonna give a reason to make more anvils and more of those

[shell fiber]

of course no tool needed to make early game stuff

yeah, that's the point 😉

[heavy lodge]

for early game and to build primitive ironworks, maybe ... wooden tools (less efficient,of course) ?

[radiant heart]

that will mess up the early game balance i think

[heavy lodge]

what balance ? until you manage to build a district center, you are a fish on land ...

[fresh torrent]

if i remember correctly the only issue i have is sawdust lol

[radiant heart]

not that much, i made a run keeping the kart for as long as i could and turns out you can still get a crazy amount of beavers up

[shell fiber]

you can get rid of sawdust by turning it into mushrooms 🙂

[fresh torrent]

oh yea

[heavy lodge]

you have a burner to get ridd off sawdust.

[fresh torrent]

its been a hot minute

[shell fiber]

something tells me todor hates sawdust 😅

[radiant heart]

most ppl just burn it down tho, and struggle for food 😆 too bad they don't know

[fresh torrent]

do you have a list of other modes that work with this?

[shell fiber]

most of them don't

[heavy lodge]

No, winter is comming, so burning sawdust is the way 🤣

[fresh torrent]

does vertical power shafts,water extension work?

[heavy lodge]

all mods that don't add new buildings sure will work !

[fresh torrent]

muffins

[heavy lodge]

The only mod that sure is not for playing WB is mirror mod !

[shell fiber]

water extention i believe doesn't work (would mess up the balance, or lack thereof 😅)

vertical power shaft i think is a dependancy now

[heavy lodge]

water extension add new buildings

[shell fiber]

decorative stuff ?

[heavy lodge]

for that is dam (levee ) decoration mod, but, WB don't have levee 🤣

But, you can use that mod if want to hide windows from houses used to build dams 😆

[radiant heart]

tried, it doesn't

[radiant heart]

vertical shaft is working, even a depedencie now i think

[fresh torrent]

ok cool

[shell fiber]

good 🙂

[fresh torrent]

nooooo i keep crashing x.x

[radiant heart]

do you have a previous version installed?

[heavy lodge]

You have uninstalled (deleted) the old version of WB ?

[fresh torrent]

dear god its been a while lol

[shell fiber]

If you give us the crash message we can probably figure out what's happening.

[fresh torrent]

i downloaded the updated one so ill see if it still crashing

[shell fiber]

i've made some video tutorials if you need. they're not very long
https://youtu.be/J1uKbaH8_ew

[heavy lodge]

Best way will be to delete everything in the BeepinEX plugins folder, install the ModManager and then install the mod thru ModManager. This way, will have also all dependency mods installed.

[shell fiber]

@radiant heart i'm very seriously considering making the treenursery require a diploma to be honest, i really dislike how the tech tree is getting sideways because the unlocks are only dependant on the architect (balloons) and not on the mechanics, while i wanted them to converge on the large university, then spread again in all directions

[fresh torrent]

is there a video for that too? 😅

[shell fiber]

i'll probably rename the "bachelor in mycology" to a more generic "bachelor in agronomy" and also make it useful for the wine cellar

[radiant heart]

tou mean to lock the nursery behind the ENS?

[shell fiber]

yes.
since you get 3 diplomas at once, you can directly get one tree nursery and 2 wine cellars

[radiant heart]

that still low, at that point you need the 3 only for cellars

[shell fiber]

really ?

nothing prevents you from making 3more though 😅

[radiant heart]

got 3 cellars atm ( 600 ish beavers) and they barely keep up

[shell fiber]

oh dear got you sacred me for a sec 😂

[radiant heart]

true and got 2 schools soooo not longer 🤣

probably gonna need a 3rd tho to keep up the gear production

[shell fiber]

to be fair "just make more" is how i intend this mod to balance itself 😅

[radiant heart]

lol

but at some point you can't make more land on the map

[shell fiber]

hmm

[radiant heart]

like my actual playtrough is getting limited by the size of the map

[shell fiber]

and that is why there is stackable clockwork farms i guess 😉

[radiant heart]

they're not in yet tho 😉

and even with that, don't have much space left for water wheels. those beefed up engines that burn the sequoia logs would be handy !

[shell fiber]

i don't know what you're talking about

oh, right, the power issue

hmm

[radiant heart]

is 2,2,7 there but not live?

cauz i don't have the upgrade to stack them on 2.2.6

[shell fiber]

nah i'm joking it's just not up yet

[radiant heart]

"build more if you don't have enough"... Am I doing it right? 😆

they are turning into "airborn beavers!"

basically just doing stuff untill science is high enough for the fountain

[fresh torrent]

jesus

so much changed

since last time i playted

ok so how does one keep water for a drought out side of regular means

[shell fiber]

hooooly crap

i really need to rework the balloons don't i ?

[shell fiber]

barrels at first, then primitive dam

[radiant heart]

not a total rework but they need to have a bigger cargo capacity

[shell fiber]

then large dam made out of houses

[shell fiber]

that's a possibility too

[fresh torrent]

ok lit

[radiant heart]

still got a spot to fit maybe 3 more on the other side of the map but .. yeah, like the balance we worked on is where we wanted it, 1 balloon is around 100 beavers but with the amount of possibilities turns out you need a ton of balloons

[shell fiber]

the problem with the ballons right now is that they are not stackable

which is why i was considering changinh them for zepplins

since they move horizontally their landing pads can be stacked

but zepplins can be an upgrate to the balloons

[radiant heart]

or dowsize the baloon a bit to a 2x2 base and have 2 per landing pad?

and the zepplin could sure handle more cargo tho

[heavy lodge]

I wached the latest J C Beard gameplay. It's not a survival game. First, must survive the player 😆

[radiant heart]

and i'm out of power with 3 days left on the drought 😆 even with Half a million hph stored in the flywheels

And Nailed it on the baloon animation it's really cool how they don't go out at once and it's slow so you can enjoy it !

[shell fiber]

i didn't do that 🤔

@kind spire did something ?

uploading soon

i'll keep it "hidden" for you to test first 🙂

but it seems bug free as far as i can tell

[kind spire]

I didn't do nufin guv

[shell fiber]

maybe he has so much stuff that needs animating that the game spreads things around temporally ? 🤔

i have no idea

whitchcraft is just as good as any bet

[kind spire]

I don't think there's anything that should do that, what mods of mine do you have installed @radiant heart ?

[radiant heart]

flywheels, extended shafts and maybe another, not sure exaclty what are the other mods you made

[shell fiber]

lol, poor mod.io, i'm likely sucking up a good 90% of all the storage space dedicated to timberborn 😅

holy crap, i have a total of 64 versions

that each get increasingly fatter

i need to do some clean-up 😂

@radiant heart okay ! uploaded !

have fun ! time for sleep !

[kind spire]

The only one I can think that might have an impact is the modular roofs, but that isn't WB compatible. There shouldn't be any scripts running on the WB mod - as far as I understand it doesn't have a DLL entrypoint

[fresh torrent]

wait u dropped udate?

[radiant heart]

Yay time to crash the game!

[shell fiber]

yes, but it might be unstable

i think it's all good, but at your own risks

2.2.6 is stable for sure though

[fresh torrent]

ok do i gotta start a new save?

[radiant heart]

gonna let you know how bad it is, just let me make a back-up save and update

[shell fiber]

no, this one won't kill your save, but if you've litterally just started that might be better

don't forget to delete / re-download the mod. sadly i can't do much about that

Also, even if it's bug-free, there is a chance that i might have forgot stuff that make the game complicated to play

hence, @radiant heart testing it 😅

(by the way, thanks man !)

good night!

[radiant heart]

Yw, my pleasure 😉
GN

[fresh torrent]

welp im testing it too now, i just re downloaded it lol

[heavy lodge]

I'm wonder how will manage J C the Beard making, using and copying BP, sure, if will survive until then 🤣

[radiant heart]

lol, if survive is the key part

Super irrigation won't place over crops, intended?

can't find the upgrade for clockwork farms, am I blind or it's not in?

[tawdry bronze]

could be that crop is to high

[radiant heart]

it's cabages, can't really be lower then that

[static glacier]

okay help XD i updated the mod without thinking and now all the beavers are injured and wont use the beds XD i think i will reload the version before, because i am so god damn confused

[radiant heart]

i'd recommand you stay on 2.2.6, 2.2.7 is there for playtesting and finding what's wrong so stuff can go terribly wrong 😉

[stone halo]

uuuh, platforms should be yellow?

?

[radiant heart]

more white wash and pink

[stone halo]

here it looked like yellow

[radiant heart]

yeah yeah "platform/scafolding" part

@shell fiber can probably send you the texture file for the WB to get the exact tone when he wakes up or i think @tawdry bronze got it too since it was needed for the staircases

[static glacier]

i did feel that XD

[stone halo]

Latest version of ladder now includes a Water Beaver variant

[tawdry bronze]

Do you have a ingame image for tobbert of the platform because its folktail colors mostly just different places

[static glacier]

is there anyway currently to get a second "incredebly compact library...thingie" in the mod? I remember how it was possible in an early version of the mod

[radiant heart]

think it's still doable in the screwpress but might be wrong, actually never tried to make a second librairy since it consumes quite a load of food to make the science

[static glacier]

ohhh! thats where it was hiding XD i am trying to get the beaver-uni to build some more advanced things and in an early version there was the office you could place in the library to write the books and so on

[radiant heart]

yeah, now the copyist and the artist make books

so you can keep them unpaused when not copying BPs, avoids the 6 homeless and useless building

[static glacier]

i noticed, it is very usefull to be able to put them onto a "mindless" task like that

[radiant heart]

if i'm not mistaking, comic books is for a well-beeing buff and books to make another librairy

could be wrong tho

[radiant heart]

crary idea, been watching the vids that todor linked and could it actually be doable to have a "flametrower" building? like you torch a field and collect the ash for some art project or whatever?

End game shit of course, don't want that tier 1-2, gonna remove the bramble fun !

could consume a load of methane( since it's staking up like crazy could sure use a way to pass it 😆 )

... not

[shell fiber]

The central voxel needs to be crop-free

[shell fiber]

Don't remember where it is 😅 but the icon is a red cross ❌ I think

[shell fiber]

Can I have screenshots? It's weird because I didn't change that much regarding injuries

[radiant heart]

nope, no "X" anywhere

[radiant heart]

BTW, trying to figure out the hard mode run but the filth gonna be the killer, most probably can't keep a bath or shower alive early on, some sort of public bath that eats water and could also be more housing of course 😉

other then that the balance sounds rough but doable

(asking for a friend, been told it's stoopid and yadiyadidada so i'm clearly not going to try it)

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber interesting point someone just brought up, he's color blind, could the red BP icon be mirrored so it's easier to see if the building needs a fancy green/blue or a red one?

[radiant heart]

ok, explain it to me like i'm 5 cauz... WTF

[heavy lodge]

What ? In the last update could be a dirt building ? 😮

But, anyway, such a building cannot replace the ground

[radiant heart]

lol, found it, and fun fact, it can get build anywhere, it lands in the platform menu

[shell fiber]

Oh that's not good🤔
It should only be on clockwork farms

[radiant heart]

that's why i tolf you 😉

[shell fiber]

That's because different voxels have different requirements, the UI can be dumb sometimes

[radiant heart]

euuu WTF, all my beavers are injured and incapacited

[shell fiber]

What are they saying ?

[shell fiber]

Lol

Uuh

I'll have to find out where that comes from

[radiant heart]

O and my 120 bots are out of fuel, and all the buildings for that are gone, now my kitchens and chunkers are disconnected... thanks i guess 🤣

[shell fiber]

Disconnected ?

[heavy lodge]

A screenshot of the inscreen log will be usefull

[shell fiber]

Uhh

I see what the problem might be

[radiant heart]

there was a lot of red talking about the disease/injury stff when loading the game

[heavy lodge]

OH, starting value is the culpritt

[radiant heart]

not there i guess,

[shell fiber]

I'm still at work so can you go in the specifications, and send me in PM the content of needspecification . Minor burn and minor disease?

[shell fiber]

okay, i should have the needs fixed

next the mega platforms

[lone tapir]

Where do i find the terraforming stations?

Or are they missing?

I can see how to get dirt, we have the block, but i dont see the stations

[shell fiber]

dirt block can be build by beavers normally, there is no bots nor terraforming station.
i don't guarantee that terrain blocks will remain in the game in future updates though

[lone tapir]

ohhh, ok...I use blocks alot, so hope you will keep it... BTW.... VERY nice mod. Have to think all the time

[shell fiber]

thanks !
but uhh... well the point of the mod is kind of to play without levees / terraforming
i really only put the terrain blocks to get rid of the excess dirt the big drill were generating, but i added waste rock since, so dirt might go away entirely 😅

but i have other cats to whip at the moment 😅

[shell fiber]

oh since i'm here i might as well stream

[lone tapir]

Platforms say you can put things on it, but i cant

Can you look at that?

They are not solid

even that it say it

[heavy lodge]

Watch out, platforms is not watertight. Due to game limits, watertight buildings (most of the WB buildings are watertight), can be placed only on ground or on top of another watertight building !

[lone tapir]

I have tried on ground, and no one working

[static glacier]

that was what popped up in my game too. I didnt take a screenshot before downgrading to the next oldest version again. Sorry. But it got from 0 beavers to around 100 in less than one in game day

[heavy lodge]

0 to 100 in less then 1 day ? What is it, faster nursery, or what ?

[static glacier]

no the "illness" spread from 0 beavers to 100

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber apparently when trees spread under the irrigation tower it makes the tower disapear ( didn't test it but someone brought that up on JC's server)

[shell fiber]

you can't place platforms on other platforms if that's what you're trying to do

[shell fiber]

hmm... possible

i wouldn't have expected that to happen to be fair

that irrigation tower is... ugh

because of that blasted script

[fresh torrent]

@shell fiber is there any (if it exists already) like progression list you have? like early, mid, late game tier buildings and such?

[radiant heart]

it's kinda linked to the blueprint system

[shell fiber]

sort of, i'm working on a chart every now and then

[fresh torrent]

ok cool

[radiant heart]

no BP = tier one, green and blue tier 2 and red tier 3

[lone tapir]

So how are you going to use the windmill? It have to go from 3-12m over ground?

[shell fiber]

yep

but they are trash honestly

water power is the only true power

[radiant heart]

by pilling up buildings. don't remember if they can be built on metal bridges 🤔

[lone tapir]

Okay, ill try

[heavy lodge]

@shell fiber , must change the Category button billboard to something else, since Category button mod is obsolete 😮

[radiant heart]

one other think, it has to be on the exact height above ground the is in the description, like you can't put the 3 high one 5 above ground

[shell fiber]

trying to push a fixed version before going to bed

well nope

big plaforms broken

gn !

[radiant heart]

GN

[fresh torrent]

@shell fiber how make pencil?

[shell fiber]

handicrafter

[fresh torrent]

omg...

im gonna lose it LOl

i forgot about that area

[shell fiber]

no problem

i should probably push what i have now and work on the flowchart

[radiant heart]

is the everyone getting hurt thing solved ?

couldn't do a lot of testing before no one wanted to work and just die 😅

[shell fiber]

hmmm... let me let a game run for a little while to confirm

[fresh torrent]

Just lost 120+ beavers, mushrooms saved the day and now I'm coming back

[shell fiber]

eh, that seems like an okay-ish water effect

maybe that rice could go a bit wilder

[radiant heart]

true, it's pretty square atm

[raven stag]

could someone suggest me good maps to play whitepaws? not the base map btw

[shell fiber]

if that's your first time playing i would say gentle canyon

once you're more used to it i recommend new yosemite

@radiant heart new version uploaded 🙂

[raven stag]

download on mod io or in mod manager?

[shell fiber]

the new version ? there might be bugs, but if you want to go for it either is fine, just find the version selecter and pick 2.2.7

[raven stag]

aight

[shell fiber]

guess i may as well stream/record

[raven stag]

progression so far 😃

[shell fiber]

that's pretty good !
pink trees are a more efficient source of wood though (but don't make pine resin)

[shell fiber]

thanks again @kind spire for the display pillow model

this is so much better than some lame old crates

[shell fiber]

okay, that was the last one for now

[shell fiber]

any suggestions for rice-based recipes ?
i have mountain salt, so just rice + water + salt makes onigiris, there is the fried rice too (rice, dandelions, mushrooms, cabbage, green peas and Sunflower oil)

if we accept cononut milk as a replacement for actual milk, we can make some sort of risotto.

[analog zodiac]

risottooooooooooo

god im hungry now

[shell fiber]

but eventually we will hit a point where there is too much foodstuffs to be eaten

[analog zodiac]

true there

[shell fiber]

risotto is rice cooked in milk essentially right ?

[analog zodiac]

and cheese, yeag

[shell fiber]

i can make a building that makes beavers more hungry so that they can fill up more food needs, but that is a quite dangerous thing

(and pretty hilarious to be honest)

yeah that sounds like a plan 😅

[heavy lodge]

Sugarcane plant for making sugar ... ?

[shell fiber]

let's inbue that in a building that is necessary for progression, so that can represent beavers wanting a more luxurious way of life as the city develops

we can already extract sugar from whatever if we want to 🤔
but what do i do with sugar ?

oh right i wanted to make some sort of panettone

with raisins and berries etc

[heavy lodge]

Sugar + milk + rice 🤣

[shell fiber]

eww

😅

wait does that actually exist ?

[heavy lodge]

mainly for kits ...

[shell fiber]

oh wait what's this thai dish, sticky mango rice or something ?

@storm gulch hi ! sorry to ping you, are you goind to stream tomorrow or today ?

(i'm totally jumping from one thing to the other 😅

i just played for a good 3-4 hours today and no bug in sight, so that might be safe for him to update before his next stream

because the glorious storages are, indeed, glorious

[heavy lodge]

Will be safe to wait for @radiant heart to confirm too

[storm gulch]

No streams this weekend, unfortunately. I'm out of town on business but there's a water beavers episode that will go public in under an hour

[lone tapir]

How do we make dynamite?

[shell fiber]

oh, it's already recorded then

okay, next time

[lone tapir]

Thanks for your new episodes. I look all of them

[heavy lodge]

Do you have nitroglycerine, first ?

[lone tapir]

But what building?

[shell fiber]

i'll send you a PM when there is an update that is safe for you to download (likely the next one)

[shell fiber]

screpress (industry positioni 4) makes sunflower oil

then oil + saltpeter (small mine) makes nitroglycerin (alchemist, village jobs)

[storm gulch]

I will be recording the next episode of water beavers probably Monday or Tuesday

[shell fiber]

then the handicrafter makes nitroglycerin into dynamite

[lone tapir]

Thanks, i will look at it

[shell fiber]

okay, i think my update will be ready in a couple of hours at worst 😉

[storm gulch]

Cool, so long as it doesn't break my save I will gladly update

[lone tapir]

Where do i find it?

[shell fiber]

well you can always make a manual save, they are never overwritten
but this update won't be save breaking.

[shell fiber]

village jobs

[lone tapir]

Got it, thanks

[shell fiber]

no problem 🙂

[heavy lodge]

Concerning about breaking the saves ? 😮 Some update breaks my brain, that's hurt 🤣

[lone tapir]

The levee, cant you make like a high wall with it? If yes, do you have a guide? No matter what i do i cant place them on top of eachother

[heavy lodge]

Nope, you can make dams only with with houses

[shell fiber]

that's by design, you should be building your dam with houses, not with boring "dam blocks" 😉

[shell fiber]

Update uploaded !

[heavy lodge]

Another unlucky Youtuber to play with WB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Z8mDh6h_0 🤣

[shell fiber]

muahahah, they fall into my trap one by one 😁

[heavy lodge]

@kind spire , hope you didn't watch the latest J C the Beard playthrough with WB 🤣

[radiant heart]

oups, a bit late to the party, had one of those weeks and went to bed soon yesterday !

[radiant heart]

getting there, gonna need some packing plan or something i gues in the future !

[radiant heart]

don't spoil it, starting it right now plz 😉

mmm 10 mins and 2.2.7c not loaded yet 🤔

[lone tapir]

Awesome recover in the new episode

[radiant heart]

finaly ! geez that mod is geting big 😅

mm 10 mins trying to load the save, think previous save on 2.2.7 isn't compatible 🤔 i mean it's a late game save but still don't remember it beeing that long

[radiant heart]

probalby wanna stick to 2.2.6 max for now, not sure for eveyone else but can't open my save on 2.2.7c

looks like problem is I had bots on my previous save, most error messages have "refinery" or stuff bot related in it

well, something clearly is brokken...

[storm gulch]

Appreciate it, thanks for watching!

[hidden chasm]

Trying to get the Water Beaver Overhaul to work, is the a mod/s that updated that make it crash when you try to load up a new game?? and if so, how far back do I need to go, to fix it??

[kind spire]

I did watch it, but somewhat in the background

[heavy lodge]

Better for you , I guess 😄

[radiant heart]

stay on 2.2.6 at max for now and won't have any problems

allright, geez that was long but it oppened, ( on back up save prior to pre-test 2.2.7) test on 2.2.7 didn't wanna load

(on 2.2.7c atm)

@shell fiber Just noticed, you like those chips greasy, can't it be a "oven baked" receipe ? trying to help the health of my beavers 😉 ( ok and oil is a hot mess to get)

depending how you wanna go, i'd say
3 salt 25 pumpkins 1 log to make 50~ish bags but in 4h

[radiant heart]

[Info : Unity Log] Load time: 110375ms

[radiant heart]

so.. power is a hot mess, guess loading time is due to all the deleting bot stuff without crashing, giving it another shot, hope it loads faster this time !

well, 8k more ms to load but at least it loads!

@shell fiber screew press axel won't store anywhere, not available as an option in the pillow storage and the top Ui shows it goes in warehouse but the warehouse doesn't

Green works, red doesn't

Side platform bone bye bye?

removing bots but tanks still want fuel and catalyst, now gotta play where's waldo finding the fuel tanks i had all around 🤣

poor guys

[shell fiber]

What do you mean ? I didn't touch that 🤔

Screw axles are stored is piles like logs

[shell fiber]

I re-changed it, having a deep mine being a house causes problems

But basically everything really game related works fine right ?

His save is like 4h in, so loading time won't take that much

[shell fiber]

hmm... i can make them cost less oil and more pumpkins, but it's not chips if it's not deep-fried is it ? 😅

[radiant heart]

used to be warehouse tho, right?

[shell fiber]

used to

warehouses are for boxes

so basically 2.2.7c was just taking a long time to load ? no particular issue ?

I think JC needs an update, he needs to be able to grow rice, and is trying to make blueprints (that i have removed) for the dams 😅

[radiant heart]

agreed, never liked oven baked chips 😉 can there be 2, like a cheap oven chips and a deluxe one that produce more?

highly doubt 3 pumpkins make only 10 bags of chips, we talking snak size right? not family packs 🤣

[radiant heart]

told him he should jump to 2.2.6, that is safe

[shell fiber]

but 2.2.7 is not that much different, i just added more pillow storages and rice reciepes

[radiant heart]

update was a mess but ended up loading

[radiant heart]

and the mine thingny

[shell fiber]

but he's a million years away from the mine 😉

[radiant heart]

clearly , but rice early on sure would help him

so much waste with that spadderdock land

not gonna mention but still gonna talk about it... getting all buildings back to beavers and waiting for the bots to die sucks big time 😅