Water Beaver Overhaul

[radiant heart]

early game you can build and later on you can have enough stored to keep your beavers busy in the drought

[heavy lodge]

about waterwheel ... how you can store enough in battery storage to last an entire drought season, even in normal mode ?

[radiant heart]

you can't ! specially with how hard it is to go vertical with the WB

[shell fiber]

you can now use flywheels 🙂

[radiant heart]

i did a lot of dumb shits and with a battery rack all around the map you "might" last a full drought inn the end game

[heavy lodge]

so, waterwheel is useless ...

[shell fiber]

but you don't need that much power with the WB

[radiant heart]

lol

taht hard run i did, ended up with 20-30 running wheels for the uselesss eaters to run a press and something else, don't remember

[heavy lodge]

can be another name for wind turbine 🤣

[shell fiber]

okay, enough of this nightmare map

let's play one that is more enjoyable

or let's make a few things

[radiant heart]

And this is where today is gonna end...

( btw clay pit looks awesome) had a similar idea but a sandbox, where kids get a wellbeeing buff and get sand out to do something !

[shell fiber]

my new bridges are lookin HOT 🔥

[distant wigeon]

👀

[shell fiber]

the floor part don't actually have any occupancy

you can place a path, a house of whatever

[heavy lodge]

for the right bridge, must be a hell of a rope 🤣

[shell fiber]

ahah

there is a few supports underneath 😉

but yeah

also why there is two logs to hold it in 😉

[heavy lodge]

Still, for a suspension bridge, the rope angle is ... weird ? and, the height of the ground pillar (supporting the rope), must have height acording to the span lenght

[shell fiber]

yeah, but i'm not an actual bridge engineer 😂

[heavy lodge]

RCE guess will say the same 😄

[shell fiber]

i made it look a bit more believable, that's good enough 😉

[shell fiber]

if he actually plays it 😉

does he has a discord or something by the way ?

[heavy lodge]

I don't know, but have post on this server #🚀mod-users message . You can send messages ....

[shell fiber]

Behold !

this is bridge perfection !

(when not build)

and of course since i have no way to prevent savages from building a bridge on a onverhang platform, i had to resort to adding more trusses under the bridges

[heavy lodge]

this is a WB variant for @stone halo More Platforms 👏

[shell fiber]

yeah 😅

actually i went and stole his icon 😂

oh, i forgot to ask him

@stone halo do you mind if i steal your 1x1 overhang platform icon ?

[heavy lodge]

🔫

[shell fiber]

[shell fiber]

since i was there i made this, was clearly lacking

but i don't know how much i really like it

it means there is effectiveley no limitation to building up

which is good in a way

i mean...ladders are a thing anyway

guess it's fine

[stone halo]

No, i dont mind 🙂

[stone halo]

How did you create that platform?

[shell fiber]

the corner one ?

basically the top part of a normal platform, and some parts of the bridges

did it in blender

or are you asking about the occupancy properties and so on ?

streaming now

[radiant heart]

one longer log would make more sence ( eng talking here 😉 ) it more about the rope angle then the how far behind you have support for the suspension

[radiant heart]

he talked about playing it lately 😉 not sure if it's gonna happen tho

[radiant heart]

wait a minute, you can build stairs on the bridge or my eyes are playing tricks on me?

[silver phoenix]

@shell fiber are you familiar with crashes when trying to play with Folktails? I'm trying to unlock your faction but I get crashes when trying to load a new game with FT

[shell fiber]

uuh, better just start a nex game, but i can take a look

[silver phoenix]

that's what I am trying

[shell fiber]

letme see

do you have the latest version ?

[silver phoenix]

im gonna see if downloading them from the mod manager will fix

i manually added them to the plugins folder from mod.io

[shell fiber]

but the latest version ? you seem to have missing text keys that i'm pretty sure i added

[radiant heart]

I normaly delete the mod file before reloading the latests version, avoids crashing

not sure why but lately the "update" doesn't work that nicely

[shell fiber]

it's not a bridge, it's a walkway

the bridge is different

[silver phoenix]

ah no

[shell fiber]

@silver phoenix seems to work fine on my side, so yeah, maybe clear completely the previous waterbeaveroverhaul mod folder and reinstall 🤔

[silver phoenix]

so I just did exactly that

but crash is still there

1 sec

[shell fiber]

what other mods do you have ?

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber , i think @silver phoenix is crashing while trying to unlock the WB by doing a FT run ( am I right? )

[silver phoenix]

yes

because thats a requirement

[radiant heart]

I see, don't remember how i got around tthat tho, been a while, i guess back in the days Ft were not crashing with WB active

[shell fiber]

what is that bug 🤔

its having an issue with Oak trees

[silver phoenix]

im trying to load the Plains map on Easy mode with FT

[shell fiber]

i'll try

i usually load diorama because smaller = faster

but your bug is weid

[silver phoenix]

does it work in easy mode, or should I just try normal mode?

[shell fiber]

lol what is this bug

[silver phoenix]

it seems inventory gives issues

[shell fiber]

try normal mode

yeah it just tells me "can't give that, not enough room"

[silver phoenix]

ok normal mode works yes

thnx

[shell fiber]

that still needs checking though 🤔

[silver phoenix]

easy mode might have been the problem

[shell fiber]

Ah, i see

yes

it's trying to give you among others 300 carrots, but WB don't have carrots

wait no

you're trying to start with the FT

aaaaaah

got it, maybe

my wonderful flaming skull of death might need a box ticked

[silver phoenix]

I was not prepared for that skull 😂

[shell fiber]

"some things might be weird"

[radiant heart]

flaming skull?

[silver phoenix]

whitepaws cannot terraform?

[shell fiber]

nope, at least not until a looooooong long time

you can dynamite though

and place crappy levees

but it's a very very different gameplay

your houses are watertight, so you can do with that, at some extent

oh btw i fixed the crash

next update

[silver phoenix]

is there any documentation on how the water pump upgrades work?

yeah I see you've had issues with placing the upgrades and terminal segments, I experience the same now

I think what is unclear is what the requirements are to place these buildings. e.g. the only requirement for water pump upgrade terminal segment seems to be that it is on top of another building. However, it does not allow me to build this on another building at all

[radiant heart]

the upgrade goes in between 2 pumps

[silver phoenix]

can you show me a picture of the set up?

[radiant heart]

yeah, one min let check if i got one close by, game is not opened

[silver phoenix]

https://puu.sh/JKUN7/ac25921f0a.png I have this but that doesn't let me

[radiant heart]

the 2 pumps have to be side by side and the upgrade goes above halfway on each pump

and the placement is a bit wonking for end segments but they are mainly just estetic so....

[silver phoenix]

so instead of going inbetween 2 pumps, its going on top of the pump

[shell fiber]

in between the round parts 🙂

[radiant heart]

it goes on top of 2 pumps, like a pyramid style, can't have 1 pump and one upgrade, need at least 2 pumps side by side

[silver phoenix]

so you cant have 2 segments next to one another?

https://puu.sh/JKUNC/5c10f81f65.png I managed to get this now

[radiant heart]

yes you can but if you want 2 upgrades you need 3 pumps under

segments are more of a decoration part, they don't bring in more water

[silver phoenix]

then my suggestion is to not name them "upgrade" 😂

[radiant heart]

looks like my previous save is broken so can't show you and i'm not there yet on my actual save

[shell fiber]

But those are called terminal segments right ?

[radiant heart]

think what is crashing my previous save is I have dandelions and berries marked for planting and it can't be done anymore

[silver phoenix]

"water pump upgrade terminal segments"

oh okay they are linked to the water pump upgrade

I see

[shell fiber]

The upgrade sits halfway between two pumps, so you can chain them

[silver phoenix]

ok

I figured it out

[shell fiber]

Which means you're bound to have a half spot at the end 😉

[silver phoenix]

just the bit on the right

havent figured out that one

[shell fiber]

It's a bit whacky but this kind of stuff is not really what the game system was intended for 😅

[silver phoenix]

well its a good addition

[radiant heart]

need to ram the camera in in and when you see some green, click

[shell fiber]

No I think it's somewhat easy to place from the back

[silver phoenix]

yeah the orientation of your game really matters

[shell fiber]

But you can also ran the camera in the building too 😅

[radiant heart]

not sure what messed it up because it used to be way easier

[silver phoenix]

the pump probably has a higher level than the rest of teh building

[shell fiber]

There was a change in v4

It's complicated

I'll go to sleep now, have fun

Tell me if something breaks

[radiant heart]

GN, later 👋

[silver phoenix]

https://puu.sh/JKUP7/4d56dd9770.png

[shell fiber]

Rotate it

[silver phoenix]

https://puu.sh/JKUPj/7d60881ffd.png

[shell fiber]

You see the tiny ghost protruding ? Should be inside

[radiant heart]

now ram the camera in the pump and if you see green, click

[shell fiber]

Or try to place it from the back of the pump

It definitely can fit

But might need persuasion 😅

[silver phoenix]

https://puu.sh/JKUPP/d62b0d6fb3.jpg

[radiant heart]

clay pot? where the F do i make that now....

[shell fiber]

Wood burner

[silver phoenix]

alright

[shell fiber]

But you get one free on the kart

[radiant heart]

dang, early game got a lot harder recently!

[silver phoenix]

thnx for the help

[shell fiber]

😇

GN

[silver phoenix]

I noticed the recipe window is quite large which causes it to kinda be in the way because I can't see where I want to build. Do you think there is a possibility to move that window to the side? https://puu.sh/JKVdj/3d154c0fb0.jpg

[radiant heart]

it's bad nut not sure there is a way around it, game is set to put recipe above thing in the builders tab

suggestion, @shell fiber broken kart should be 6 not 5 dynamite, like that you can make the mine even if you only got 1high cliks on the map ( just noticed i don't have 2high on this map) and 5 dynamite doesn't make enough room for the stairs down since you need 2 tiles and 1 tiles stairs are behind salt

or make science not require the mine? ( think the easy way is +1 dynamite in the kart)

and it's still not enough for lido-irrigaiton

[silver phoenix]

I am now trying to place the Giant buried tank into a 3x3, 2 deep hole. but again spacing is giving me issues placing it in the hole

[radiant heart]

giant tank is a bit tricky, the barrel needs a 3x3 holes but the building itself needs more space then that

large mine is a similar ting

[silver phoenix]

does it need a 4x5 hole 1 deep?

[radiant heart]

no

only a 3x3 2 deep hole for the barrel, the rest lays above ground

[silver phoenix]

but whenever I try to place it inside the hole the game will try and put the entrance in the hole

[radiant heart]

🤔

[silver phoenix]

https://puu.sh/JKVhd/1fb45e3a62.png

https://puu.sh/JKVhg/53fc011fca.png

[radiant heart]

didn't try it since V4 update, guess it's some messed up thing like the pump upgrades

[shell fiber]

Seems like it, I'll check it

[shell fiber]

Do you have a 3 tall cliff ? In that case you can stuff the mine on the roof of an assistant farmhouse

Oh I just had an idea

I wanted to make a florist or something, but that can be the assistant farmhouse. Since the flowers wouldn't need harvesting anyway they can harvest crops

[radiant heart]

nope all clifs are 1high on that that map, it's a cool small map i tried just for shits and giggles but it's fun

[shell fiber]

Oh I see...

[radiant heart]

at least i was lucky a friendly beaver passed by and dropped me 1 more dynamite 😉

[shell fiber]

Yeah okay for one more I guess

[radiant heart]

and honestly it looks cool too!

just helps make any maps playable

[shell fiber]

I think I'll make it so the alchemist no longer needs a medium Caudron and the screwpress no longer need gears

[radiant heart]

100% with you on the press, the alchemist... ok but who cares honestly, you get it for free with the kart anyway

[shell fiber]

the kart doesn't drop a medium cauldron anymore

it drops an alchemy set

*chemistry

and a clay pot, the book set and the anvil

because otherwise dynamite is stuck behind :
1 - 100 iron ore (60 scrapmetal)
2 - 150 coal (100 for 60 scrapmetal, 50 for the cauldron itself)
3 - having a mechanic's lodge (more metal fixation and paper) for gears
4 - unlocking and building the screwpress, plus having sunflower seeds

with the current changes it is just locked behind science, paper, and a few not too complex buildings (alchemist, screwpress, handicrafter)

[shell fiber]

goddamit i broke something again...

no update this morning then

[distant wigeon]

....do the flags need to be exposed on top???

[radiant heart]

yes, can't have anything there

had to make a whole fuckery of stairs to clean those 2 spots

[distant wigeon]

Oh nooooooo....... The Scrap metal hell map has stuff there!

Oops, ping

[shell fiber]

okay, uploaded a fix !

2.1.6 uploaded !

[shell fiber]

hmm... all things considered i don't really need the flags to occupy any volume, but if they don't that can have weird consequences visually. like if you build a storage on the flag, the flag will just keep sticking in the middle of your boxes.

it's generally not a problem, except for maps that are full of clutter.

[radiant heart]

i don't really get the pont of the assistant farmhous, do they have a speed bonus? cauz it's same amount of workers and same amount of housing as a farm, why build those if it can't plant?

[heavy lodge]

@shell fiber , TimberAPI updated, now you can add new recipes !

[shell fiber]

They can harvest, are stackable and watertight, seems a pretty good thing to me

Especially if you want to make a wall of houses

[radiant heart]

i get it but since they might have to be further from the field and the height to go down, a little speed and/or capacity boost would make them more appealing

tought about staking one under the farm like i used to do with warehouses early game on old IT runs

otherwise, without some sort of bonus ( or 2 workers, simple like that) don't really feel a need for it, the distance between getting those and the super farm is not that big and they get a lot of bonuses with the large farm

basically what i'm trying to say is to make it more relevant and an actual option it needs a little buff on gathering efficiency compared to a farm

[shell fiber]

Well if I give it a buff, then it should cost more, otherwise it makes the normal farm obsolete in comparison. The point is mostly stackable + watertight.

I suppose it's not particularly appealing depending on your playstyle, but I try to make big dams out of houses, so I basically want a watertight and stackable variant of everything

Like I was considering a harvester house that employs three harvesters with a tiny bonus, same for the lumberjack

In those cases yes I can employ multiple beavers because the work flags cost nothing anyway

But for the assistant farm, if I make it better that the original in any way you immediately fall back on using only one farm to plant and only assistant ones to harvest

At which point I might as well ditch the original farmhouse and have the assistant inherit the planting ability

But we're going this way I might want to rework the outside appearance to make it both more farm-like and watertight

Possibly with an upgrade system like the water pumps

An other option is to make the assistant farmhouse larger, house two families and three workers, like a mid point between the basic and advanced one 🤔

Hmm

But then it should cost more

Not super fond of the idea

Rn I'm more thinking about the watertight rework + upgrade potential

I also want some stackable building that plays nice with the kitchen houses in terms of stackability. I like the design of those but they really don't pay nice with water pumps, which are the main thing you should want on top of you dam wall

So the stackable farms could play that role... But you're right that the need to climb back down eats up some cultivating range 🤔

Hmmm

Difficult

[radiant heart]

placement I get it but the dam might be a bit far from the farm so that's why I tought a walking speed binus, but with the size of the building it could fit 2 workers too

[shell fiber]

But don't you usually have your farms next to the river ?

Or you tend to place lidos more inland ?

[radiant heart]

more efficient but not much, i get what you say...🤔

[radiant heart]

later in the game and on a large map, yes

[shell fiber]

Ah I see

[radiant heart]

I'm on a tiny one atm so lidos are gonna be more in the river/reserve

[shell fiber]

If it's only walking speed it could be okay I guess

[radiant heart]

sounds good, and it stays 1 worker?

[shell fiber]

I don't think I would change the amount of workers without changing the number of inhabitants

[radiant heart]

can you mess with the range of the building too?

[shell fiber]

But then wouldn't you start building those on the middle of a plain because those beavers move marginally faster ?

[shell fiber]

I'm pretty sure I can't

[radiant heart]

not really, maybe instead of 3 farms i'd have 2 farms and one of those

my basic start up it 3 farms, 2 harvest one plant

[shell fiber]

🤔

[radiant heart]

actually might keep the 3 farms but put 2 on plant plus the helper

[shell fiber]

Hmmm

I feel none of that really fixes anything

Need to think and try a few things

[radiant heart]

doesn't need to be fixed, it's not broken, just a little balance to make the building more appealing, 5% walking is enough

[shell fiber]

If I make it the default farm, then by convention it should require pine resin

But that means pine-less starts are doomed

So no pine like the water pumps 🤔

Seems okay-ish

[radiant heart]

can still use resin

the building with wather tight and all is good and price is decent, i guess it makes it a "low mid game" thing

[shell fiber]

I'm taking about the possibility of the assistant replacing the default farm entirety

[radiant heart]

if you feel like it but i like the idea of both

[shell fiber]

Hmm

[radiant heart]

makes a "lower tier" large farm

[shell fiber]

Just +5% walk speed then 🤔

?

[radiant heart]

sounds right

and only harvest

[shell fiber]

Works for me

Yeah

[radiant heart]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-james-franco-handshake-theinterview-gif-4639455

[shell fiber]

Oh I though about you and gave them decorative mushrooms to remove the "nothing to do" sign 😅

I'll still think about my upgrade thing though 😅

[radiant heart]

tried to plant 2 of those but never been planted, it's the thing the helpers plant?

[shell fiber]

If they are set on harvesting and are already busy they won't plant it of course

[radiant heart]

i mean with farms

[shell fiber]

An in-between solution could be to keep the basic farm as is, but have a stackable watertight upgrade thing available

[radiant heart]

but you want the farms in land... with max available reach

i like the idea tho

[shell fiber]

Yeah so you can do both

[radiant heart]

never tought i'd be babysitting berries 🫠

[shell fiber]

To be honest the amount of space a farmer can manage is far inferior to what can fit in it's range under optimal conditions

[radiant heart]

for the gatherer yes, the planter, if enough ppl pic it up... i'm curious

since planter jumps from plant to plant and doesn't have to bring it back it's way faster

that's gonna be a future me question, time to hit the bed

later 👋

closing on cycle 13 today

[agile depot]

does anyone know why i dont have the option to have bots work in the metal mine or any of the other jobs?

[shell fiber]

Uuh... I didn't really give any attention to bots as a whole so I probably didn't put any provisions for that

[agile depot]

i was using the irontooth faction started a new game using that faction i had that option on an old save game but now its missing. i switch between modded and none modded depending on the mood im in.

[silver phoenix]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2013720707592290336/4951DA564DCBD6437829BC61F589FAA351E5570A/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false im taking a different approach to the water beaver overhaul mod

[shell fiber]

oh, that's a nice town !

now where did you get those terraforming blocs from 😏 ?

that feels like an awful lot of population to feed 😅

[silver phoenix]

mods 😏

[shell fiber]

from left to right :

• original
• new (watertight)
• 2 new side by side
• same plus upgrade segment
  but that poses a problem
  let's say that the top segment allows for two more workers (total living space 16 blocks = 4 families) that makes way enought workers for any number of crops in range
  buuut
  nothing says that the upgrade has to actually be a farm right ?
  it can just be a fancy attic for all i care

[analog zodiac]

hmmm true i can see it

i'd probs use these as like aesthetic houses for beavers to live in suburbs

aesthetically tho they slap, good job

[shell fiber]

well the problem with making the upgrade a farm is that I also have the large farmhouse, that is much better for harvesting (4 families and 6 worker, so 150% efficiency pop-wise and +20% workspeed))

and yes, i kind of want to have them as sort of townhouses, so i think some sort of urban job would be best

typically haulers, but builders could also be nice

could also be a sauerkraut attic too

[shell fiber]

if anyone has interesting suggestions...

[analog zodiac]

hmmm, so it's 4 families, right? one can be farming, one can be cooking, one can be building and one can be hauling

multi-faceted

but idk if that's actually doable given usually a building holds only one type of employment iirc

[silver phoenix]

use the attic as storage space, e.g. food for the people living in the building

or maybe consider a different buff, e.g. higher respawn rate (make babies quicker)

[heavy lodge]

Quicker on water beaver ? Are you joking, I hope 🥳

[silver phoenix]

or the upgrade could allow for crops to grow quicker, since the crops will get more attention from the beavers, similar to how beehives work

maybe the upgrade will allow for a bigger impact radius of the building

[radiant heart]

if it's an upgrade it needs a purpose, otherwise it's just a fancy rooftop IMO

[radiant heart]

I like it, plus you wouldn't have the downside of the beestings debuffing the beavers

[radiant heart]

giving more workers if they don't have the speed would keep the large farm relevant yet still helping prior to the unlock of the super farm

really depends where you place that upgrade in the tech tree

[shell fiber]

🤔

Hmm... Well the large farmhouse is really not that far is it ? I would even say it's generally the first blueprintable building people tend to unlock

Acting like a beehive is definitely an idea...

I can make a few variants by the way

And then see which one people prefer 😉

I think early game I would actually use +1 farmer with no pop increase (but no bonus)

In the general case I would probably go for 2 builders + storage space, because I think the builder's lodge causes too much pop growth for 1 more builder, so that's a good opportunity

But I can also see how there can be situations where +2 builders is completely useless and 2 haulers instead would be more useful

Typically when you're not building anything...

For the beehive I'm concerned about the range...

[radiant heart]

with scafolding, BPs are taking a break, can't really habdle the double archi in early game

[radiant heart]

builder's loge is pricy on pop for sure but still using it, for sure a les pop hungry way would be nice

can the upgrade be like the one on the pumps and have a mid and end part? like mid is + 1 worker and end caps are builders ? that would give a ton of options to mess around with and don't think it's gonne be too strong ( no buns of course on any workers)

[shell fiber]

Hmm the end segments are a bit of a pain to make, and then there is the building orientation issue, you don't want them to be placable in weird ways

I went for an upgrade that directly covers the whole length thinking no one in their right mind would want 3-4-5 farms in the exact same location 😅

But maybe I can rework the builder's lodge instead

[radiant heart]

builders lodge IMO a 3 workers for 2 fam would be descent

[shell fiber]

Actually I was thinking about reworking the builders lodge towards something like that : one family 3 workers, and the house itself being a bit larger

Which means there would be far less need to have the farm upgrade give builders

Hmmm

🤔

Plus one family and two farmers make the building as a whole give three families and 4 workers, but no bonuses

Nah I don't like how it impedes on the large farmhouse usefulness

I think the pop-free builders/hauler remains the best solution

It doesn't impede too much on the normal hauler / builder houses too much. I mean they do but you need a lot and they are filler buildings anyway.

I still want to rework the normal builder's lodge though, one worker for three pop is too spicy

Or I could come up with weird crap like a board game attic or something 😅

Actually that's not the worst idea in the world

Well I guess I'll make 2-3 clones and see what happens

[stone halo]

@shell fiber can you think of some small idea's you had, but required code?

Something like custom tutorials and things

[shell fiber]

It's quite minor but I wanted a script that randomises the animations when loading a game so that the balloon traders aren't all synchronized (that looks weird)

I wanted to learn how to do, but just couldn't find the time and / courage

An other thing I discussed with @kind spire I think was a death counter, that lists how many Beavers died because of the player's mistakes

*with optionally a doom trigger that causes a game over if you reach a certain number

(ie : any death cause except old age)

There's of course the glass issue but we already talked about that

[shell fiber]

He was maybe interested in doing it so ask him if that's interesting to you too

And...hmm...🤔

Maybe making custom "area effect building" script that can be applied to plants (right now the script is dependant on the "building" script which is incompatible with the "plant" script or whatever it's called)

If you want I can generate a crapton of weird ideas but the ones I could actually have a use for are there.

An other thing that would be great is a way for the windmills to know their absolute z-level (or relative elevation compared to the map average) and make their power output change depending on that (right now I simulate that by having 4 variants that requires to be placed higher and higher end produce more and more power)

[shell fiber]

Or where you asking for stuff that can be made into a json specification like the tutorial?

[stone halo]

nono, just general small things i could quickly create and which you have uses for

[stone halo]

This, i dont know, i would have to see some video's but doesnt seem fun for me todo

[stone halo]

This i really like, should be doable and fun small thing, dont feel like that right now

[stone halo]

This is interesting, so what is the usecase?

[shell fiber]

Typically could be used to make flowers that give a "nice smell buff" or could make brambles sting poor beavers tasked with cutting / harvesting them

It's quite minor, I can live without

Ooooh

Something that would be absolutely amazing but might be quite big : make it so that Beavers need some seed to plant plants

Right now they go to the planting location, "work" there for 0.2 hours, and poof ! seedling

[stone halo]

I like this aswell

how would seeds come into the game?

[shell fiber]

Hmm well if we can add it to the starting inventory like berries and such it should be good

For example when playing easy mode, there's a script giving the player 300 of basically everything

At the start of the game

That might be a lead

Otherwise there is the "broken kart" option : just make that the starting building for all factions, and add seeds the same way I add the library set, anvil and so on

[stone halo]

but once a seed is used, how does it come back?

[shell fiber]

Oh hmm

Can have a building for that

[stone halo]

that creates them?

i was thinking of 2 crops = 1 seed?

[shell fiber]

Typically a building that consumes carrots to make seeds

[stone halo]

but you need to be able to harvest more than 2

[shell fiber]

I would go for one seed=one crop, but then one mature food thing makes 5 or 10 seeds

Also one carrot field gives 3 carrots so there's that

They would be an interesting way to lock some crops out of early game

An other way of adding that in is to make the map editor mod I was thinking about last week to allow placement of anything in the maps.

Like you could have wild carrots growing here and there, harvest them, have some make seeds in the seed maker thing (that job probably had a real name)

And you have your carrot seeds

(requires a lot more work though)

Typically that's how I ideally would want to plant giant sequoias

[stone halo]

Im looking right now for how doable requiring seeds is

[shell fiber]

Okidokie 👍

It's more of a suggestion than a request, but I think many people would like it

[stone halo]

Oke, seems doable

How i see it right now is the following:
Just have a component like "PlantableGoodUser" or something, which will take a GoodId and a amount. I will add logic so that a farmhouse beaver will go fatch re relevant seeds and on planting, will use currently equiped goods.

Name should be better, not sure yet

[shell fiber]

Oh neat !

I hope you'll have fun with that 😅

[stone halo]

for sure, otherwise i wouldnt do it

and i would tell you, like i did with the shader

that is not fun

this is

but can you help think of a better name?

[shell fiber]

Think of a better name ? For that seed thing ?

Or are you talking generally about how to name your firstborn 😅

[heavy lodge]

Why not just PlantingSeed ?

for the fist new born plant in Timberborn 😛

[shell fiber]

Could also be "better agriculture" or "extended agriculture" to stay on the same branding as "path extension" and "more platforms"

[shell fiber]

Do you think it would be possible to modify the yielder specification script to have a plant yield more than one type of thing ? It's somewhat easy to make a workaround, but it would be more elegant this way. Like pine trees can be either tapped for resin or harvested for pine seeds, both coexisting at the same time

[stone halo]

ive been thinking about it a bit more, but im not sure how to add to existing crops

[analog zodiac]

oh seems like i got some reading to do, what's y'all cooking here?

[stone halo]

probably need specifications

[stone halo]

im trying to add seeds

[analog zodiac]

👀

oh dang, ok!

[heavy lodge]

For existing crops, maybe a "generic" seed, and, farmhouses, to work, will consume seeds as fuel ?

[stone halo]

Nono, i mean from a coding perspective

ive thought about the system already

but to edit those settings (resource id and amount) it probably needs specificatiosn

[shell fiber]

i have really no idea how to name that kind of things, but no one will ever see it most likely right ?

[shell fiber]

oh, yeah i can definitely conjure a bunch of new items in the game, easy peasy

by the way, i finished my farm upgrades

new update posted

[radiant heart]

that would be nice as a standalone mod so it can be used with any faction

[distant wigeon]

Is that a 2-block high wall or a 3-block high wall?

[radiant heart]

2, was only one so i dug up a hole for the mine

[distant wigeon]

Thanks!

[shell fiber]

I need to make some billboards for that 😅

[distant wigeon]

The map is done... Releasing this Saturday...

[shell fiber]

hmm...

i need to come up with better things to research for the mechanic's lodge, most of the good stuff is in the architect's lodge

i'm pretty happy with the kitchen house in the end

the watertight farms are quite nice, but using them as part as a dam is kind of clunky

not that it is a problem, right now they are stictly better than the original ones and the upgrade possibility is neat

i just think that something like that should be some sort of water farm

i also want a dam house that allows walking throught the dam wall (although the utility dam upgrade already does that)

and i need a larger variety of stackable, watertight buildings.

just building a dam out of hualer's lodges is not very satisfying

harvester's house and lumberjack house are possible ideas

pretty good ones actually

one family, 4 workers (more than you actually need), probably 2x3x1 or 2x2x2

and some buffs

what else could i come up with ?

better, stackable variants of the tent buildings ? like a proper forge + house, a livable mushroom farm

oh i know

now that i can use blender, there's nothing preventing me from reworking the lumbermill, screwpress, gristmill and whatever to be more stackable

hmmm...

i'll need to come up with some new concepts

but if people around have good idea for "mechanical stuff" that you would actively want to research, i'll take it.

right now i'm thinking about some sort of mechanized farm or something

oooh

100% mechanized buildings !

that just need power to work, no beavers

like a step before making bots

why didn't i think of that earlier ? that was staring at me all along

(i need to go to sleep, gn !)

[shell fiber]

before i lose that thought : change the farms to also plant some of the water crops, modify the aquatic farmhouse into some sort of deep underwater farm

[radiant heart]

don't you already have a non-watertigh bersion of that? or it's been removed ? the "bridge house" or something like that

[shell fiber]

yes, but i want a watertight one

the bridge house is mostly an experiment in making buildings that don't need full support

but it indeed allows walk-trhough

[radiant heart]

i'd go more for bigger buffs 4 lumberjacks is a bit much i think

[radiant heart]

thing i gonna be the "plug" for the shafts, if you wanna keep it only one spo per building vertical shaf gonna become quite a must to have dams with power

[radiant heart]

like the number cruncher for the IT but that produces stuff? still gonna need haulers i suppose or some automatic hydroponic farm?

[shell fiber]

yeah that's the idea

still will need haulers indeed

but that's already a given in this faction

do you have the vertical shafts installed ?

[radiant heart]

i think at least half my pop is haulers anywaysince they are my dam 🤣

[shell fiber]

i can give you the specifications if you want

[radiant heart]

the specs for what?

[shell fiber]

for adding vertical shafts to the waterbeavers

[shell fiber]

maybe carrying capacity bonus ? that will save them one trip when cutting a pink tree

[radiant heart]

not sure if it would work, will they carry more logs from the trees? 🤔 i was thinking walking/working speed, would also help when haulers are busy somewhere else so they bring the logs faster to the storage

[radiant heart]

for now i'm ok without it anyway won't have much time to play for a bit over a week, going on vacation, not bringning my computer otherwise they are gonna make me work

[radiant heart]

guess that's gonna lower the download rate of the mod if I'm not there to load it 3-4 days a day 🤣

[heavy lodge]

Then, you must download and try each version, to restore the download rate 🤣

[shell fiber]

Okay, the harvester's house and lumberjack's house were pretty easy to make

almost first try

the regular farm can plant and harvest spadderdock

the aquatic farmhouse is now pretty pointless though

[radiant heart]

I like the idea of a deep water version, like the algeas of the IT could grow if water above >1

tought about that on my last run to have a "fun" building to put in deep water in front of the dams so beavers can play there( i like to have the doors on the water side so wet fur is never an issue)

[shell fiber]

yep, i need to shake some people to see if someone can get me some nice seaweed

[shell fiber]

je paye uniquement en mises a jour 😅

did the pass-through lodge too (it just employs one hauler but is 2x3, and a lot more expensive)

good night

no update today because it's in a messy state i think

[radiant heart]

lol, no wonder the tech was not replying 😂

GN

[shell fiber]

Should I make a tapper's flag ? Would simplify quite some stuff

[tawdry bronze]

wonder if it possible to do so you can only plant berries where there are dead berries

[shell fiber]

anything is possible with code, but without that, it seems difficult. not sure what happens behind the scenes, but i don't see how it could be done, planting crops or trees ignore mostly everything except block occupancy

[tawdry bronze]

thought of the componet for mine but may not work

[shell fiber]

ah, well no the plants ignore this thing completely

even if it didn't once you crush the dead bush, the placement would become invalid and it would vanish on the next load

i think

[tawdry bronze]

😦 to bad could have been an alternative

[shell fiber]

i think @stone halo is trying to work on a system that makes beavers require seeds to plant stuff 🙂

in the mean time, i realized i needed to make this

tapper's flag

this way i can have resin available from the start of the game

[radiant heart]

nice, gonna make the early game a bit easier because now all the changes made it a bit rough, cool to see some nerf a bit

[shell fiber]

thus i don't have the weird thing where some buildings require caulking material and some others not

yeah, it's also a bit rough to have to build a house just for that

but 'ill adjust the tapper's shack to be watertight

and it will be much more powerful

[radiant heart]

tapper shack gonna be a bit pointless with the flag tho

[shell fiber]

well... maybe

but so is the lumberjack's house and gatherer's house

[radiant heart]

if it had and aura to make the pines produce resin faster maybe but even there, it's not that hard with a descent size forest to not miss some

[shell fiber]

it's mostly variety to put atop your dam

true

i think the one think i want from the tapper's shack is maybe enormous storage

[radiant heart]

the working/walkng speed for lumber house will keep it relevant tho, for mid game and later

[shell fiber]

maybe i can add some tappable essence to the pink trees

[radiant heart]

true, if it saves a warehouse it could be descent but needs a ton of space since it's a house also. warehouse is free on pop

[shell fiber]

something completely pointless early on, but important late game

so you can be happy to have a powerful tapper's shack rather that crappy flags

but i think the most interesting thing would have to make a special lumberjack's house - tapper's shack upgrade

like put them side by side and you can build a really neat thing

no idea what though 😅

[radiant heart]

forester, so you have one bigger building that does it all maybe

for large maps it might not be that relevant but on small ones every ground peice you have available for plant/trees is precious

[shell fiber]

do you mean the upgrade should be a forester too ?

oh i just realized something

[radiant heart]

yeah, like you have a lumber and tapper house on ground lvl and forester on top

[shell fiber]

if you make the forester a farmhouse, it can plant and cut trees at the same time

or plant and harvest resin

aah

[radiant heart]

i like that

multifunction lumberjack camp

[shell fiber]

oh, sorry i made a silly mistake, i meant forester-tappershack

but the idea stands

except there is still the issue that only one prefab can have the planting ability

so that would necessarily be the forester getting the ability to cut stuff

but i'm not that fond of the idea

it simplyfies the game instead of making it interesting

sometime too much convenience is bad 😉

in the meantime, that's what i came up with for the tapper's shack

lacks the storage space though.

but it keeps the same visual identity

[shell fiber]

in that case what could be nice on top / between those two buildings ? we already have an overkill lumberjack house (1 family, 3 workers, +10% workspeed + 25 % movespeed +50% carriying cap)

the forester has a watchtower, maybe i can play on that, like a gigantic watchtower.

i've been toying in my mind with the idea of having some sort of cartographer / explorer thing that would make some sort of map for the balloon traders, but i'm a bit reluctant to make yet another blueprint-like thing

actually on that matter i think the big "ecole normale subeaveure" will make red blueprints, but they will actually be called "diplomas" and therefore not copyable.

like you have to train one beaver to have a PhD in astrophysics to actually be able to build the telescope or something

i'll probably make it so you would never want two anyway.

anyway, time to sleep

gn !

[radiant heart]

with a bigger tower an increase of planting range maybe? 🤔

[radiant heart]

there is alreay a bunch of BP, cartographer/explorer could provide a walking speed bous for the beavers? with the no range limit now that could be relevant

[shell fiber]

Unfortunately planting ranges are out of hands, and attached to the planting/ harvesting scripts, basically I can't do anything interesting on that side 😓

[shell fiber]

That's actually a pretty good idea 🤔

Like a guy on a big tower that shouts at people to move faster 🤣

[radiant heart]

GN, got to work a bit 😉

[shell fiber]

Yeah GN !

[silver phoenix]

@shell fiber according to the description of the Pit&Ladder lodge, we should be able to stack this building. However, when doing so, the bottom lodge will become inaccessible https://puu.sh/JLnp3/698abf5e04.png

dunno if thats intended

[radiant heart]

my guess is it's not intended, the goal to stack those was to be able to do a skyscraper appartment

[silver phoenix]

I also can't seem to be able to delete the bottom lodge with the delete button

if its elevated there is no issue

oh okay I found the issue of that one

https://puu.sh/JLnqH/ea034659c2.png the one on the left can be deleted without any issue. you can see its connected to the path despite there not being a path. The one on the right cannot be deleted because the path is covering the platform of the lodge

[radiant heart]

mm, think it connects due to the platform you can see on your previous screenshot that you have on the second lvl one

[silver phoenix]

it does

its therefore strange that I can still build a path there as well

[radiant heart]

like if there are 2 spaces between the door and the road dows it still connects?

[silver phoenix]

nope

[shell fiber]

Yes that is a weird interaction between the "is a path" and "is Stackable" elements

So the paths connecting without them being visually there is not something I can do much about

[shell fiber]

But this is intriguing, I thought I had specifically checked for that...

[radiant heart]

still need to delete old mod to get the new one, is there a way around it? not beeing a plug and play with mod manager is tidious and could discourage ppl from playing it

and in the comments, there is a big F up in the description and it stops at 2.1.0 with a huge blank afterwards

[radiant heart]

tapper flag not in yet? 😦 started a new run to try it out

yo.... seriously, now they are the princess beavers, filth is to strong, can't do shit

How about making the lido no science and the water dump cost the 250 science, and maybe make it a bit more expensive too? it's sad lidos got pushed that far but i think the idea was to make it not easy to use as irrigation, without the dump they could be there much sooner

?

10 logs for the dump... should use ... idk, maybe 2-3 gears and 6 to 8 planks?

[shell fiber]

this thing better be good, because that took way more time than i like

[shell fiber]

everything seems normal to me 🤔

[shell fiber]

not yet, sorry

[shell fiber]

if you overwork your beavers they will waste a lot of time going to the shower to get a small scrub, then back to work

[shell fiber]

hmm... could be a possibility

but the lido requires dynamite anyway

[shell fiber]

i have no idea what causes this to be necessary to be honest 😕

[radiant heart]

you can dump a lido in the river without dynamite 😉

[radiant heart]

looks like that on my side

[radiant heart]

forester/tapper/lumber combo building?

and a spot for the baloon on top? or that's the place for the beaver yelling "move faster" 😆

[radiant heart]

damn, filth almost killed me once again, and almost built the river bath before my first farm... think it needs some rebalancing, maybe have a cheap, not too efficient shower ?

[distant wigeon]

The Shower should still be in the game? Or does that need planks/science? I think I saw Lapan build a shower before a Library, though.

In the livestream.

[radiant heart]

ok, i'm blind....

lol

yeah and it's quite cheap, my bad

[distant wigeon]

Also, super hard map is out, see #🔭maps-general

[radiant heart]

looks fun, but not with the WB tho

[distant wigeon]

It is compatible!

Berries, Dandelions, a 2x2 wall, all are available on the starting island, though more are available later.

[radiant heart]

kinda, i don't see salvageable dandelions, with the WB not beeing able to plan berries and dandelions, it's a bit more messy to be playable on any map but i also get what lapan wants to do with that

time for drought No1 but also bed time, will have to see another fay if i managed to survive!

[radiant heart]

let's just say i'd try with IT before WB on that kind of mess 😉

Later 👋

[distant wigeon]

Starter island has starter dandelions, second green island also has dandelions, though they need space to spread (which necessitates reaching it)

But yeah, try IT first, if somehow not hard enough, then try WB

[shell fiber]

Hell yeah ! It works !

the pile of sawdust even grows as the internal storage is filled 😉

[analog zodiac]

your mod continues to impress me so much man, excellent job!

[shell fiber]

thanks 🙂

new screpress

it...wobbles 😅

I'm trying to make more building with random overhangs to help build up and connect stuff

it's also a way to break a bit the blockyness of watertight buildings, since the game doesn't allow me to have different voxels have different water blocking heights, i'm forced to make the "solid" part blocky

but by adding some appendages it looks more interesting

[analog zodiac]

True there!

The visual flourishes are already really interesting

[shell fiber]

like you probably can't see in the picture, but the trellis box in the sawmill contains the spinny round thing

actually i'd like to make it an actual sawblade

but i don't know how to slap a texture on my mesh

[shell fiber]

it's also functionnal, during my playthroughs, i keep finding it difficult to make a dam with something intersting inside, because you can put one copist, one artist, two handicrafter... then what ? a bazillon haulers ? that's not super interesting

so i'm reworking the industrial buildings to make them properly stackable, so they can be really part of the damn dam 😅

[analog zodiac]

👀

[silver phoenix]

maybe you could explore the possibilities of reducing the footprint of a 2x2 lodge to allow them to overhang? example: https://puu.sh/JLvbR/8e2a552f1a.png

saves you from having to come up with completely new buildings

you could perhaps consider that the only tiles that need support are the ones with an entrance, whereas all other tiles can float freely

[shell fiber]

ah, well yes but that only works for non-watertight buildings

long story sort, watertightness is made by virutally raising the ground level under the watertight block

[silver phoenix]

makes sense

[shell fiber]

so that means a watertight overhang would make it look like there's a weird forcefield pushing the water back

[silver phoenix]

ive seen that behaviour before yes

[shell fiber]

but for storages and stuff, yeah it's a fun thing to play with 🙂

[shell fiber]

you wouldn't happen to know how to extract just a mesh from a fbx file by any chance ?

i'm stuck on that for the small piles and so on

[shell fiber]

i fixed that thing

[shell fiber]

i think it will be a lot easier to notice when you have too much sawdust 😅

uploaded 2.1.8 !

[silver phoenix]

my knowledge of unity is limited

but I guess this mesh should be in a folder together with the fbx file? if so, a simply copy/paste would work maybe?

e.g. the mesh needs to be pasted into the same folder as all the other meshes

wait

cant you just import the entire fbx file into unity?

and then locate the mesh from there

[shell fiber]

I tried but that didn't seem to work

I mean importing the fbx work

But calling just the mesh from that didn't

Although it might be worth an other try

[silver phoenix]

https://puu.sh/JLvT2/ca26ef68cb.png when you import your fbx file into unity, does it show you this?

a slider which contains all of its components

including the mesh

[shell fiber]

Yep

And I could link the mesh into thunderkit but last time I tried it didn't work

[analog zodiac]

potential mechanic idea unlocked @shell fiber
#🐉beaver-memes message

"OH SHIT THE FRIDGE!!"

[heavy lodge]

Interesting, but, first, we need seasons 🐸

[arctic olive]

@lament axle

[analog zodiac]

is there a seasons forum topic btw, or is this mainly discussed in one of the modding channels btw?

[heavy lodge]

https://discord.com/channels/558398674389172225/1092384592226431066

[arctic olive]

It's almost a meme , since it has not yet been released

[analog zodiac]

OH lmao

ripppppp

ok lads, we gotta get to it

says i, w negative programming experience

[lament axle]

excuse you i try my best

[arctic olive]

I know

[analog zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-i-know-this-and-i-love-you-hand-shake-gif-12810469

[shell fiber]

i genuinely want to see this mod 🙂

[lament axle]

It'll most likely be after I release SteamWorks

[shell fiber]

Hmm... Problem... I really can't make the water pump and farmhouse cost pine resin, otherwise many maps may not be playable

[shell fiber]

pretty happy with my current playthrough (New yosemite)

[split sparrow]

How far is this mod? I know you are always adding things but has terraforming been completed?

And is it buggy?

Not played yet, questioning what I've read in the past.

[shell fiber]

right now it's stable but there is some things that are not accessible because i made a lot of changes recently
as for terraforming, it's not back in, but i don't guarantee that it will be back, and if it does, in what shape

i think i'll make it an end-game thing, for when you litterally have nothing else to do, but that's about it.

[shell fiber]

oh i forgot half of the question ! right now i have the early game fleshed out : everything from settleing to getting a stable survivable situation. then the "expansion phase" where you start to use science to unlock stuff, grow your population and arrange your environment a bit is also fine, and then we reach the tech growth phase where you need to research blueprints to really get some powerfull stuff going. that one was finished before but i ended up being unsatisfied with a few things, notably the balance between the architect and mechanics, so i need to rework a bunch of stuff.

[shell fiber]

hmm... it seems a farm requiring mechanical power is not really bothered by not having power. that's a shame.

[shell fiber]

@kind spire do you want to help me sort that mess to have accurate gear ratios ? 😂

(this is going to be a clockwork seaweed farm)

let's face it : i like my chemistry accurate, but i can't be bothered with accurate mechanics 😅

(not that i couldn't if i REALLY wanted to)

but it's not as if i could make a believable contraption anyway

and i don't want a blocky black box

i'm kind of afraid of the animation though 😅

not just the gears, but also the harvesting mechanism, i want some sort of overhead crane

[kind spire]

cracks knuckles

Do your worst, let's do it!

Do you have a blender file for it or unity package?

[shell fiber]

i was joking, pretty sure that's not even possible 😂

teeth size don't fit, probably have cogs forming triplets and so on 😅

[kind spire]

Awwww, was excited for a challenge 😉

[shell fiber]

okay, enought poking at this nightmare contraption for now

good night !

[arctic olive]

What am I looking at

[shell fiber]

Exactly what I was going for 😅
A good old clockwork mess

But at the end of the day it makes food out of mechanical power

Or should

😊

[digital isle]

why it doesn't work?
i need sauerkraut

[shell fiber]

it's a weird thing that happens sometimes, not clear why.
change the reciepe to the other one and that will cause the haulers to unload / reload it.

at least in my experience that works

(there is basically no difference between the two reciepes)

[shell fiber]

specifically, it seems to happens sometimes when you load a save, some barrels will break and no longer recieve deliveries.
i have made a tiny change in the half recipe, allowing it to have storage for 2 reactions, it seems to not happens in that case but i'm not sure.

[shell fiber]

Mod updated !

i made something pretty cool !

[radiant heart]

This looks awesome, back from my week of vacation, did some good not toutching a computer for a week. Guess there is a lot of new stuff to try out, probably gonna start a new run this week

[radiant heart]

first tought, since spadderdock is available much sooner, would be nice to get a food ite that requires it, grilled spadder in the coocking tent maybe?

[shell fiber]

hi ! sorry for now answer, discord was quite empty these days i almost lost the habit 😅

hmm... yeah, i have been thinking about what to actually do with the spadderdock because it's plantable from the start, but not usable before the kitchenhouse which is quite far i think

in the meantime today i've been making this :

it's not really supposed to be on a cliffside though

but it's an aquifer pump (or at least tries to be)

generates water from nothing

except well, mechanical power of course

which during droughts has a limited use, so that batteries be more important.

wait can i make it also irrigate the land a bit 🤔

also, first time something loaded first try no crash 🙂

(there is still some missing stuff though

[radiant heart]

got no clue what i'm looking at but it's wonderfull!

[radiant heart]

irrigation tower V2.0, sounds good

basically a well

[heavy lodge]

It's 3, Two is in Water Extension mod 🤣

[radiant heart]

the tower on that mod is just abusing, I like it but the range is just dumb compared to the wateruse, needs a little nerf IMO

[heavy lodge]

Well, if water tower abuse, what about giant water tower (cover a quarter of plain map) 😮

[tawdry bronze]

Wonder if you can Nerf it with #1128257322175705198

[shell fiber]

It's an aquifer pump 😉
But I'm not super fond of the chimney in the end

[radiant heart]

are you "burning" water in there?

or it could have some double function like water digging and coocking something

[radiant heart]

it's the steam exit or whatver you want it to be 😉 it looks great, wouldn't want to change it

[shell fiber]

Maybe I'll keep the model for a Mark 2 or something, but I think I want something lighter first

[shell fiber]

tiny aquifer pump, much better

(the big one still exist)

[radiant heart]

cute !

[radiant heart]

wait a min, that means you can still get some water even in the drought? ( sounds like a hard mode run will be required) !!

Maybe a MarkIII of it to put over the ruins ?

or you got better plans for the ruins?

[shell fiber]

Well yes but... Power

[shell fiber]

Still don't know 😅

[radiant heart]

would be nice to have options, like atm you can do the mine or get the nuclear generator( mod) on a small map with only one makes you think what you really need and on a big one makes having more a bit more fun since 1 maybe 2 are required in the end game, over that it's pointless

[fresh torrent]

is there a list mods that work with this mod

[radiant heart]

plus with the mines you already have don't need that one for scrap metal, can be infinite basically

[radiant heart]

not much atm

stairs work, more bridges and that's about it that i'm aware of

[fresh torrent]

also im sad at the removal of oaks and alot of the food you can grow

[radiant heart]

you got pumpkins tho to cheer you up!

[heavy lodge]

Who needs oaks when you have sequoia ? 🤣

[fresh torrent]

also giant sequpoia dont get planted

[radiant heart]

yeah it's a known issue , it's a future thing that you will need seeds, it's just not explained in the description

[fresh torrent]

so are the seeds able to be gotten?

[radiant heart]

not yet, it's a work in progress

at least that i know of

been offline for a few days so not sure where it's at

[shell fiber]

The sequoias are a very late game thing, they need to be planted in a sequoia cradle, but at the moment I didn't work a lot on them.

The food stuff are supposed to be entirely different just like the IT and FT have different food system 😉

[fresh torrent]

ooooooo

[shell fiber]

Other mods that works are IU-related mods like pipette tool and house manager mod

[radiant heart]

shit, just opened the game , are we still on 2.0.9 or i'm late on download?

[shell fiber]

I have specifications to make vertical shafts work but I'm not at home atm

[radiant heart]

don't wanna exit and come back 😉

[shell fiber]

Lemme see

Rn its 2.1.9

[radiant heart]

might be wrong on the 0, just remember it ends in 9 so i should be on latest!

things getting along nicely!

[shell fiber]

Yeah I don't think you skipped 10-12ish updates 😅

[radiant heart]

missed 2 or 3, not sure if last i was on is 6 or 7

[shell fiber]

Yeah probably about right. I've been updating a bit slower recently, the clockwork farm was a big thing

[radiant heart]

can't wait to try those farms upgrades, it looks awesome

[shell fiber]

It will require a blueprint eventually but I need to put some order in all that

[radiant heart]

about to buildmy town center on that run

and , as usual, just because i think it's funny, running no forester for as long as possible !

[shell fiber]

Ahah

Just find some brambles and your good to go 😅

Darn I need to get that mapmaker mod running

[radiant heart]

still gotta save some pines/berries/Chestnuts trees and dandelions from drying out tho 😉

[shell fiber]

And from being build on 😉

[radiant heart]

branbles can take over other plants?

[shell fiber]

No

But people often raze dandelions and berries for space

[radiant heart]

not doing that, ain't my first rodeo with that faction 😉

buildings are going in the river to dam it up or on higher gray grounds

and actually ended up doing a tapper shack, was running out of pop , that's a first ! 🤣

[shell fiber]

As you may have seen I've tried to make it a lot easier to navigate above ground 😉

Bridges can be fused with houses

And you have overhang platforms

[radiant heart]

yeah it's super cool, seen the post but didn't get to try it out

[shell fiber]

Also a bunch of buildings directly come with overhang/ walkway

[radiant heart]

didn't you say something about a 2high shitty platform also?

[shell fiber]

Uuh

Ah no, I made a "real" double platform

Like two tiny platforms on top of each other

[radiant heart]

would be nice early game to not get rushed into making science just because you can't go over a 3high cliff, some maps have real messy starting point , maybe 40 logs and 5 resin?

just make the legs longer on the crappy one and "Voila" shitty platform lvl2

[shell fiber]

Ah yeah I could do something like that

[radiant heart]

that should be a standalone mod, pretty sure ppl would enjoy it

plus having stuff like that a required instead of the actual mod would make the update much faster, file is getting long to download a bit

[shell fiber]

Or maybe you were talking about the two high log levee ?

[radiant heart]

you changed it for 1 and 3 to 1 and 2 ? having all 3 would be cool, never know what funcky terrain you need to adjust to and need something wathertight under those buildings

[shell fiber]

Hm?

No the log levee is the 1x1 watertight thing that needs to be next to solid ground

I make a taller variant

[radiant heart]

at the price they are and the "by land" requirment, would not break anything to have a bit of lee way with those

[shell fiber]

But right now my priority is to finish the aquifer pumps, make a mechanised drill to get worker free input of minerals, then put some order in the blueprints that still / no longer exist

But I also should get going on the mapmaker mod to make it so that more maps have naturally occurring brambles in interesting places

Oh right !

They opened a new mapmaker's contest !

I need to get that stuff rolling fast ! I want to make a giant "world tree" like thing

[radiant heart]

those new bridges are super cool, good job sir!

[shell fiber]

I might change the irrigation tower again someday because I still think it's quite underwhelming compared to the lido

[static glacier]

but i must say that I love this tower. Please no major changes 😄 i love that you have to get up there to work, makes it a bit harder

[shell fiber]

Probably no large change in placement rules and so on, but i was thinking about making it also some sort of bath attraction + fertilizing effect, so it has something that is not available to the lido (that is just an attraction)

in the meantime, my drill has taken shape

need to get the animation nice and smooth and it will be good to add in the game.

[kind spire]

That's a darn nice drill

[kind spire]

That's so cool!!

Just need to steal the dirt particles from the excavator to use for it 😉

[shell fiber]

Oh... I didn't even know there were

I just adjusted the drill so that it goes a bit deeper in the cliffside, it felt a bit too shallow

[heavy lodge]

Looks like a TBM 😮

[shell fiber]

What's a tbm ?

[kind spire]

Tunnel boring machine

Those ones we looked at the other day that they use to make railway tunnels

[heavy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGEMHn01p4g

[shell fiber]

Argh... It's a workshop particle controller 🥲 didn't work with purely mechanical buildings

Oh yes, that's intended 😊

[kind spire]

Oh, I think you can add particle objects into an animator, so you don't even need the controller

[shell fiber]

We'll see that tomorrow

Good night !

[kind spire]

Sounds good, let me know if I can help! 🙂

Godnight!

[heavy lodge]

GoodNight

[silver phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-amazing-alesha-dixon-britains-got-talent-youre-wonderful-incredible-gif-19571140

[radiant heart]

really like the fertilizer idea, basicaly the beehive effect without the sting?

[radiant heart]

WOW !!!!!

[radiant heart]

@shell fiber Would be nice also if you updated the extra stairs compatibily thing and toss it to @stone halo cauz we ain't getting ladders and i had a little cool set-up in mind for rooftop terrassses over the damn 😉

Think you said it's not a big thing and you might actually already have it done

Thanks Ahead !

First district center, cyle 5 just pre-demolition

[radiant heart]

kinda like the balance lvl of ease of access for wood on the brambles and time to cut down, makes it a nice relax way to get constant wood without worrying about the forester too early in the game

[shell fiber]

the more i think about it... the more i can't help but realize the waterdump should simply not exist.
why would anyone really build mechanical water pumps if you can have just a bunch of manual pumps and water dumps🤔

[shell fiber]

-Reworked the Gristmill, Papermill and Smelter
-Removed the blueprints for those buildings too
-Removed the Superplatforms (were obsolete anyway)
-Removed the WaterWheel blueprints (now just costs a lot more science to unlock)
-Added blueprints for Small Aquifer Pump, Mechanical Drill, Clockwork Waterfarm.

added freshwater laminarias for the clockwork waterfarm

Added a new foodstuff made at the gristmill from spadderdock and Chestnuts

[shell fiber]

i have a bzaillion icons to make i guess

[kind spire]

Icon time babeeeyyyy

[shell fiber]

that's the easy ones

that should do

oh, some people might be glad to know that i've added terraforming back...for now.

long story short, i felt it was weird that the horizontal drill made just magically iron and coal, but not also a crapton of dirt, sand and rock

but if i make it make that, what do you do with it ?

storing it wouldn't make sense

just magically erasing it doesn't either

so... you pile it up to make new ground

one terrain block costs 1000 dirt and the drill produces 10 every 3 hours so don't get too excited though 😅

[shell fiber]

everything seems in order...uploading soon

[shell fiber]

uploaded !

and new dependancies 🙂

[silver phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-yay-gif-20716942

[shell fiber]

@radiant heart ah, i finally managed to get your alchemist tar crash 😅
no idea what caused it though

best bet is that there is a possibility of odd behavior due to it consuming both wood as a reagent and as fuel

but i can make it burn coal instead

[tawdry bronze]

Think i have had problem before if game want to do 2 storages of the same type in a building.

[shell fiber]

I have lost the USB on which I was making the tutorial files so I have to redo it all I suppose.

Which I expect to be equally valid as a summoning ritual for said USB 😅

Also I went to ask on RCE's discord if he was playing to use my faction in the next season and he was under the impression that the mod was still broken from the V4 update so next one maybe 😔

Which gives me more time to add stuff 😉

[tall cobalt]

What does this error mean? It crashed instead of creating a new Folktails game

Possibly relevant is that Mod Manager absolutely refused to download or install Water Beaver Overhaul, so I had to download it manually and put it in the relevant folder myself.

Possibly also relevant is that this is running through Proton on Linux, not native

I can give you the entire error log folder if you need more information

[tawdry bronze]

In settings at main menu try uncheck tutorial and verify that you have all needed dependencys

[shell fiber]

hmm...might be a TAPI version issue, i need to check.

[arctic olive]

There is no such thing

[arctic olive]

Did you update TimberAPi /

[radiant heart]

the meca pump is way more efficient if you want a large place to build aquatic farming by a big reservoir, lido irrigation is ok for ground crops but not efficient at all when you have a large area to fill, tryed it out on my hard run to have the aquaplants only kept underwater with the dump and it's a mess

[radiant heart]

dirt sand and rock could be used for other buildings, kinda like the clay, rock/sand could be for better/higher dams

[radiant heart]

JC alaso is probably gonna do one soon, he post full let's play, not edited like RCE, he's fun too watch too, a bit more relax, kinda like the "bob ross" of timberborn

[radiant heart]

mmmm... game crashed when i downloaded 2.0.10...

@shell fiber do something i need my fix !!! lol

well, crashed the game but works when opening back!

[shell fiber]

Crash during download ?

[radiant heart]

right after it was loaded

would be nice if the drill had some options to the drilling receipe, like you wanna drill the line of material you want to get, maybe could have some that give more "useless shits" for later game but get some cool stuff like diamonds and gold to make a "beaver idol"

just like you did with the medium mine but with a higher tier

would be nice to have med beds not science locked tho, mines are cruel and beds without the juice are not that much of a boost

[shell fiber]

Oh I think the med beds are still vanilla

But a clinic or hospital would make for a nice new watertight building 😊

[shell fiber]

I though about it but it's really just a big dumb grill, so I wouldn't assume it has the ability to select what you get. Plus I don't want to make the medium mine obsolete

But I thought about adding more "valuable" ores like gold, but they don't have so many uses

[shell fiber]

do you have a link to his channel by any chance

[radiant heart]

here you go https://www.youtube.com/@JCTheBeard

[shell fiber]

thanks !

[radiant heart]

that would be cool for sure but in later game, early on the beds would be enough just they need to cost no science.

I don't like to rush to the librairy just because this or that can't really be done before, the tier system you made is quite nice. IMO there should be a "tier 1" available even before destroying the kart for more stuff

[radiant heart]

Yw

[kind spire]

Yeah JC is great, he's doing more long-form stuff now too by the looks of things, last 2 episodes were 1h45m - 2h long

[radiant heart]

still playing catch up, just finished the drowned serie

[radiant heart]

maybe just stuff specific to mine/drill so you stil need both. small mine not even obselete since medium one doesn't do salt ( at least that i remember of, not at the medium yet on that run)

[shell fiber]

well that's the only thing that makes dirt right ?

[radiant heart]

think so or the bot dirt extractor is in? didn't get on last update yet

[heavy lodge]

Or, I can make dirt mod available for Water beaver

[shell fiber]

what's the dirt mod already ?

making dirt from wood and stuff ?

[heavy lodge]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/dirt

[shell fiber]

uuh

well that poses some balancing issues

[heavy lodge]

Maybe do you want something like this : #🤖mod-creators message

[shell fiber]

ahah

well i already have my own version of filth

[heavy lodge]

with bots inside ? 🤣

[shell fiber]

not for bots, but my bots will be cursed souls chained to a mechanical body

they won't need anything 😉

[radiant heart]

it's kinda sad, science was a mess with the seeds, berries and stuff but now it's just plain stoopid, requires qay too many stuff to get it started, maybe make cabages grow a day or 2 faster if it's gonna be that much required? or lower the amount in the receipe?

[shell fiber]

i don't think i changed anything recently except adding a dandelion to the reciepe

[shell fiber]

i guess we could do with raw cabbage, but then sauerkraut just becomes some pointless gimmick

[radiant heart]

My point is that it takes some time to make the sauerkraut on top of all the other stuff required to finally reach one science beeing made ( plus the sauerkraut barrels are a bit wonky and don't always work properly) Having this extra step that may or may not work depending how the barrels feel is a bit annoying

[shell fiber]

if the barrels stop working, refresh them by switching the reciepe

but yes, i see what you're getting at

[radiant heart]

i get it but ii think it'S better if you can "set and forget"

[shell fiber]

yeah, i think the half reciepe no longuer has this issue, but i didn't have much time to text extensively

but i like the idea of having lots of small buildings that run slow reciepes like that

like i wanted to add wine too

although i need to get the plant fixed

[radiant heart]

it's cool i agree, the kimchy barrel was really cool, making food just with the haulers, i like it

since most of the dam is hauling houses stuff like that makes a lot of sense

[shell fiber]

would it be too annoying if the sauerkraut also required bramble flowers ? 😅

[radiant heart]

It's already annoying enough lol,

bramble flowers instead of cabages maybe? ( wait ain't that the kimchy barrels)

[shell fiber]

the kimchi barrels also required cabbages 😉 but salt was replaced by flowers

[radiant heart]

Maybe not drop it in the sauerkraut receipe but bramble flowers could sure have theyr own little thing since they are available early and grow fast, would make a neat food source in early game

and a descent failsafe later on

[shell fiber]

i kind of treat them as dandelions to be fair, more of a medicinal thing that actual food

[radiant heart]

with the amount you can get without much trouble beeing just a medecine make them not too releveant tho, it just becomes an infinite source of wood basicaly

or it's a failsafe if all your dandelions die ?🤔

I get why you don't want ppl to plant dandelions/berries but i'm not a fan,

Llike if you lose your dandelions it's game over on medecine and some other receipe, same with blueberries

maybe some later game building that can plant them back?

[shell fiber]

yeah i'll have that i think, but it will be so far that that won't change the "lose them and game over" part

but there's no way around it

if you allow to plant them, that completely remove all incentives to protect them and to build with terrain

but it shouldn't be that hard to keep them alive

[shell fiber]

no i meant it's kind of the same type of ressource

but i want to give it more uses

i mean if you really want to you can actually use the pipette tool to plant some

[radiant heart]

if the building to plant them back is hard locked behind like red BPs and whatnot, it's not game over if you lose them but not gonna see some back till you are really late in the game,

wouldn't pipette tool be considered cheating tho 😉

[shell fiber]

at the moment the pipette tool is kind of cheating yes 😅

[radiant heart]

like don't you need those for the deluxe stew? so if you loose them the super cool kitchen becomes a bit pointless 😦

[shell fiber]

but red BP are locked behind a ton of science and other blueprints

yes but why and how would you lose them ?

[radiant heart]

that's my point, so you could get them back someday but not for a long time if you let them die

[shell fiber]

well don't let them die 😂

[radiant heart]

that's the idea but shit happens

[shell fiber]

are you leaving the game to run overnight sometimes ? 😅
i'm kind of confused at how that can happen

or is it some hard mode related shenanigans 😉 ?

[radiant heart]

no i'm there when i play but even on normal sometimes they dry out

[shell fiber]

yeah on very long droughts that can happen

[radiant heart]

on hard mode they will die for sure within maybe 3 to 6 cycles if not waterred that's a given

[shell fiber]

an idea could be to have a building that cultivates dandelions and berries and such at home, like low production rate and have to feed some pop, but can provide dandelions even if you lose them all

[radiant heart]

that works too, idea is simply that if you have a problem they are not gone forever

[shell fiber]

that would at least remove the risk of a hard lock

but the building that can replant them will be very veeery far

right now i have i think 8 blueprints

[radiant heart]

just those 2 can't be in the science making process or it's gonna be a hardlock

[shell fiber]

yeah

time to go to sleep

[radiant heart]

GN

[shell fiber]

i'm trying to get everything set before i can implement the tutorial

but the billboard mod has some issue

that i don't understand

[radiant heart]

looks like the harverter office ain't watertight

[shell fiber]

oh, oops ! thanks.
apparently so was the new tapper shack and the lumberjack's house

[shell fiber]

update uploaded

also made the med bed science-free 🙂

[radiant heart]

almost killed all my berries with that 😂

[shell fiber]

ahaha

oh, right, let's do that thing

i have just the right model for that, just needs light modifications

[radiant heart]

that would make a nice bar tho where beavers could drink there booze

[shell fiber]

yeah that's why i made it in the first place 🙂

it was meant as a noodle shop

but there is issues with the slots and recipes i intended

[radiant heart]

first tought was "it's a snack bar" hot dogs and fries !

[shell fiber]

that works too 😉

[radiant heart]

fries would need the potatoes back tho, and not sure if beavers eat meat

[shell fiber]

i'll keep a duplicate either way