Water Beaver Overhaul | Timberborn | Page 3

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 12:49 PM

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i try to keep a thousand carrots in storage

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but don't worry, i'm not going to change it immediately

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 12:49 PM

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maybe doing carrots/sunflower at first was not the best idea but sunflower dry out slowly compared to carrots so some crops survive the first drought

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 12:50 PM

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radiant heart maybe doing carrots/sunflower at first was not the best idea but sunflower dry o...

slower you mean ?

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yeah

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but they are inefficient

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low food and slow harvest

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 12:51 PM

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wonder if one can survive with only a mush farm at first 🤔

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*mush grower

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 12:52 PM

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probably not

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but i will probably increase the wood/sawdust consumption

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 12:53 PM

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that sounds good, but can't be too high also, wood is a luxury at first specialy since you need to let some pines alive for the resin

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maybe 2-3 logs instead of 1

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didn't really use sawdust so can't tell about that balance

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maybe have a higher consumption on the mush farm and another type of shrooms that make beavers more happy

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like the mush farm makes truffles

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 1:26 PM

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i'll think about it

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maybe i can make the mushroom grower ground-only

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 1:30 PM

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lol, tought all the tents building were ground only so it's already there 🤣

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 1:55 PM

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now it is 🙂

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 2:05 PM

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you uploaded something or just it is now for the next one?

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 2:45 PM

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just looked it up, it's already nerfed a bit in the 1.1.1, used to be 1 log per 50 shrooms and faster then that if i remember correctly, or was it the mush farm that was 1 log and 50? ThinkingIT

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 4:23 PM

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started a new one just for fun, is there a way to tell the beavers to not eat the sunflower seeds at start so i can make some science?

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 4:44 PM

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yeah i had downgraded from 50 to 40 but that was more to make using sawdust more intesting

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 4:44 PM

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radiant heart you uploaded something or just it is now for the next one?

next time

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fighting against the game engine to make the animations work was quite annoying so i didn't mod much those last two days

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 4:46 PM

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new map is a tad harder, with every edge a 2+ can't make my dam on cycle 2 for sure that time around

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and starting wood was much more limited then waterfall

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 4:48 PM

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oh yeah this one is much harder i thing

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a pit and ladder lodge to get down into the river is a good idea i think

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 4:48 PM

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2nd drought in 2 days, think it's gonna be the real stress test

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tought about it but it's lots of wood and i'm highly limited up there

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 4:49 PM

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i think one water pump might not be enough

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 4:49 PM

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second pump is building as we speak

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19/25 waiting on some wood to grow

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 4:50 PM

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maybe i should get on modding this pump upgrade i've wanted for so long

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 4:51 PM

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"pump upgrade" ? sounds great

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LoveIT

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like it would go deeper? or just pump faster?

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 4:54 PM

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both

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 4:58 PM

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is tehre a nerf on wellbeeing? cauz all my bevers have at least a +4 but overall displays 3

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that should be at lest 4 average if not 5, right?

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ok, i'm dumb, completely missed the natural staircase behind me

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now that's an easy place to dam up

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shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:03 PM

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radiant heart that should be at lest 4 average if not 5, right?

i don't know, i don't think i have any hidden well being debuff

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ah, yeah but that doen't really help with irrigation

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 5:04 PM

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at least can pump during drought

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and plan some stuff downthere

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:04 PM

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true

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 5:06 PM

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and also a back path to some scrap, crazy how a 180 on the view angle made that map easier!

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:08 PM

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oh i'm making the district center be a 4-way building with internal path lke the balloon pad

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because that only takes two brain cells at this point

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radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 5:10 PM

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shell fiber because that only takes two brain cells at this point

well, for someone who knows what he's doing a bit! or i'm a one brain cell person!

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:10 PM

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ahah

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 5:11 PM

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shell fiber

always tought it should be like that ! glad to see it

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:11 PM

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no i spend so much time bashing my head against walls with this navmesh setting property that know i understand how it works

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 5:11 PM

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and the start for max distance is from the center or one door in particular?

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:11 PM

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should be centered but it's hard to test

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 5:11 PM

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kk

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cauz the balloon you could see the point in there

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:12 PM

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let's go to sleep for today

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 5:12 PM

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GN, Later!

shell fiber Mar 16, 2023, 5:12 PM

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it's more fun to mod simple and easy stuff, let's see where that leads me tomorrow

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gn

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 7:21 PM

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wish beavers lived where they work as priority, watching em waste theyr time walking all across the map is painfull when you need that farmer to be getting that food in and quickly!

radiant heart Mar 16, 2023, 10:15 PM

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For the small covered tanks, is it possible to remove a plank or 2 so we see if they are filled up while nothing is built on top?

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 12:33 AM

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oooof, DamF cycle 5 almost killed me, library finished building and didn't think about the 10 default workers, food and water vanished before i can realize... maybe make the default smaller? next time i'll know for sure but beeing a first run would have been the end for sure, kinda sucks to have something that violent crushing you like that

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 1:09 AM

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radiant heart For the small covered tanks, is it possible to remove a plank or 2 so we see if ...

But then dirt will get in from people walking above 😅

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 1:10 AM

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radiant heart oooof,<:DamF:887645571840634890> cycle 5 almost killed me, library finished bui...

Oh yeah maybe that's a good idea. But you can set the workplace as low priority when it's building too

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 1:11 AM

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radiant heart wish beavers lived where they work as priority, watching em waste theyr time wal...

Don't know how... 😅

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 1:18 AM

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shell fiber Oh yeah maybe that's a good idea. But you can set the workplace as low priority ...

i know, just for firts timers it can be a run killer, i mean if it's an easy thing might as well do it , or not, it's evil ! 🤔

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 4:23 AM

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mmmmm something isn't right

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and no i'm not too far

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 5:03 AM

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radiant heart and no i'm not too far

Oh I think I see what is the issue with this

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I'll fix that asap

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But I'm not home right now

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 5:04 AM

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no biggie, calling it a night soon anyway, just wanna see how long next drought is gonna be and i'm out

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 11:01 AM

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okay, this should be fixed

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also i set the default amount of workers for the library to 2

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which probaly should not murder your colony even if left uncheked

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 11:04 AM

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But, for library, why fat beavers ? I mean, they eat a lot ... Better, a new building to produce coffee, and this to be use in library ...

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 11:08 AM

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heavy lodge But, for library, why fat beavers ? I mean, they eat a lot ... Better, a new bui...

oh good idea !

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that can fit in the tiny corner that can also house the library office

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but the food need is because making their brain work makes them hungry, it's important to snack while studying

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(hopefully that doesn't make the books dirty)

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gotta go for one hour

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 1:19 PM

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shell fiber also i set the default amount of workers for the library to 2

It can still murder it but gives you a little wiggle room to notice that your rss are vanishing

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 1:22 PM

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muahahaha

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well there's only so much i can do

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minimum is one no matter what you do

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 1:22 PM

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it's perfect at 2, at some point ppl gotta learn

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😉

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 1:35 PM

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i have new textures for the beavers 🙂

c0e18106a8f658f4285966914ccceea6_-_Copie_5_-_Copie_-_Copie.jpg

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c0e18106a8f658f4285966914ccceea6_-_Copie_6_-_Copie_-_Copie.jpg

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 1:36 PM

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I prefer the original one tho, the scale on the belly looked really awesome imo, now it's the albinos faction 🤣

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gonna have to hide them from the sun

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something strange is happening, not sure why, looks like the dam is too good at blocking water and it floods upstream 🤔 Are dam supposed to hold over 1 high of water?

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the ones on the right are not upgraded

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don't remember having that on previous runs

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 2:30 PM

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it's probably that waterfall issue

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 2:30 PM

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waterfall issue?

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 2:30 PM

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i had it too it's super weird

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so the max waterflow a volume can have is 6.5

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but the max amount that can fall off a cliff is 2.2

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this causes some absolutely bonkers behavior

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 2:32 PM

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kk, cauz it's super strange that it dries out downstream of my dam even not in a drought

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 2:32 PM

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probably the water can't flow off a dam somewhere

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 2:32 PM

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only started at cycle 10 and not really sure what i changed there

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 2:32 PM

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oh i don't know i'm not sure

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can you stream a bit ?

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so i can look around

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in the meantime : here's a few square patterns for my town square

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right know i'm favoring the 5x7 and maybe 7x9

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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here you go

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gotta keep my mic off, i'm at work 😉

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 2:53 PM

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shell fiber in the meantime : here's a few square patterns for my town square

since it's town square, shouldn't it be around the disctrict center? or that would be too restrictive? 🤔

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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radiant heart since it's town square, shouldn't it be around the disctrict center? or that wou...

ideally yes, but building around a 3x3 building is a bit tough

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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I like the bottom right one, (the 7x9?)

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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i think i'll have at least two

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yeah i think it's nice 🙂

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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sounds right, a smaller one that can't get everything on it and the big one

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started what you were talking about to dam up with buildings on the other side of the map, forgot to show you on the stream ( of course the gnawing station will be relocated )

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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yeah that's the idea =!

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don't forget that the door voxels are never watertight

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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a bit rough tho with the way power plugs work, still getting around it, too used to daysichain buildings forever

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:03 PM

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radiant heart a bit rough tho with the way power plugs work, still getting around it, too used...

that was too easy

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you can probably manage

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:03 PM

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houses made faboulus vertical power shafts 🤣

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:03 PM

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the fun is also to scratch you head finding a layout that works 🙂

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lol, not on my watch !

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:04 PM

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problem is not to make it work, it's for my OCD to be happy with it 😆

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i like it neet and well placed that it looks great too

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for quality of life "vertical shafts" and "aditionnal stairs" would sure be sweet, didn't try to see if extra stairs make the game crash yet

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i miss those curly staircase, the look is great and also really convinient in some occasions

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:13 PM

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oh yeah the spiral stairs seem really nice

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i'll probably add compatibility soon

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actually i can probably make the specification and send them to knatte

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but let's get this town square done first

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:14 PM

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looked back at it, what's the point of slow mush 🤣 just gonna drop a gnawing station for my useless eaters to make sawdust and produce like that

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:15 PM

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radiant heart looked back at it, what's the point of slow mush 🤣 just gonna drop a gnawing s...

oh in that case actually you produce more mushrooms per log with the slow growth 🙂

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:16 PM

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LET'SSSS GOOOOOOOOO Fast shrooms for the win! 😂

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:16 PM

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gnawing three logs to dust gives you 36 sawdust but slow mushroom growth would give you 40 mushrooms for those 3 logs

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but it is likely faster to gnaw and use fast growthif you have spare workforce

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:17 PM

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with the extra gnawing station i'm at flat out 0 useless beavers but 3 spare beds and 10 kids growing up

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jsut tried, staircase didn't crash the game but don't see the other stair options

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:23 PM

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radiant heart jsut tried, staircase didn't crash the game but don't see the other stair option...

yeah that's normal
most mods have to tell each faction to add building XYZ to this or that faction's pool

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but because my faction didn't exist when they made this mod, the file telling the waterbeaver to add the spiral stairs does not exist

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i have to make it, send it to knatte, and when he'll update it it should work easy peasy

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:24 PM

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i see at least it didn't crash the game so it's a good start!

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:25 PM

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Still this is working : #1070709592176197642 message 🥳

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:25 PM

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heavy lodge Still this is working : https://discord.com/channels/558398674389172225/10707095...

oh right yes !

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:26 PM

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I can send to you the mod, but , you will need to add what you will keep (mods), as dependencies .

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:27 PM

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if i put that mod i'll need to have all those "on" ?

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:27 PM

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YA

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:28 PM

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water extension feels a bit too OP for that 🤣

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:28 PM

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heavy lodge I can send to you the mod, but , you will need to add what you will keep (mods),...

no i think it's better if i make a specification for the waterbeavers to add to each mod i want compatibility with

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that would avoid dependencies

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:29 PM

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Well, try if it works, not need to used it 😄

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:29 PM

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if it's there might as well use it ShrugIT

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 3:30 PM

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neat, first try

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the texture shat itself though 😅

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:30 PM

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@radiant heart

📎 add-on-WBF.zip

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:31 PM

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heavy lodge <@632743666783485982>

do i have to drop this in the water beaver faction or in every individual mods?

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:35 PM

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Unzip in the plugin folder !

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But, the mod.json file , is .... , horrific 😄

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:37 PM

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and after i need to enable all the mods you listed above right?

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:37 PM

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It has all that mods as dependencies, so, without them won't work !

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:38 PM

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think i have em all, just not enabaled

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alright, time to see if i did it right!

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nope, i f'd up somewhere , game crashed 😆

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Must check also, it's old, maybe some new specification in the main mod has added that cause the crash .

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 3:46 PM

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no clue, i can test shit all day but no clue how mods inside.

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My hunger bar is turning red, need to grab a bite!

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 4:06 PM

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OK, delete the old one add-on and use this one !

📎 add-on-WBF.zip

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 4:11 PM

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Worked 🙂

heavy lodge Mar 17, 2023, 4:12 PM

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I know, the mod I make before the latest changes in Choo! Choo! mod 👍

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 5:06 PM

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This hole won't be watertight right?

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distant wigeon Mar 17, 2023, 9:41 PM

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radiant heart This hole won't be watertight right?

There's a billboard for that.

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 11:10 PM

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radiant heart

Definitely not

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 11:22 PM

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distant wigeon There's a billboard for that.

partypooper, i'm trying to have a social life 🤣

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managed a half descent wall, need to figure out what is gonna be on the right

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@shell fiber Lido irrigation finally in place! ( it's the one you saw earlier:D )

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 11:26 PM

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radiant heart managed a half descent wall, need to figure out what is gonna be on the right

Booh a filthy wind turbine 😅

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 11:26 PM

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it's gonna have to go, need something watertight

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 11:28 PM

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There's plenty to choose from : handicrafter, artsy lodge, mechanics lodge, alchemist, copist etc

radiant heart Mar 17, 2023, 11:28 PM

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yeah most of those are now on my irrigated field, need to destroy and relocate

shell fiber Mar 17, 2023, 11:28 PM

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Even the architect is watertight I think, except it has a stupid shape

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Usually I directly start by lining a bunch of buildings next to the river to make a wall

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But they works a lot better on canyon that beaverome

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 12:33 AM

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shell fiber Usually I directly start by lining a bunch of buildings next to the river to mak...

yeah, there was no point doing it on that one, maybe on the lower plateau but needed that as farmspace

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sure don't wanna do beaverome with that faction, so little space available, would need dynamite just to place the librairy 🤣

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 12:49 AM

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i just pooped that if someone wants to give it a try :
https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/4-ways-district-center

mod.io

4-Ways district center for Timberborn

Adds a new district center to the FT and IT It has internal paths and the entrance is in the middle. "As it should always have been" as someone said. You will start with this instead of the normal one.

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 12:50 AM

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we getting it on next update in WB?

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 12:51 AM

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i'll go back to it now 🙂

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 1:59 AM

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Balancewise, i feel like the gristmill should not require cattail roots, like wheat is basicaly useless without it so it ends up locking all wheat derivates behind a aqua farmhouse. maybe replace it by wheat? just tossing it out there 😉

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 2:01 AM

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hmm...

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true

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i didn't think much about how achievable it would be

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at first

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there is no other blueprintable building that effectively requires an other blueprintable building right ?

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i mean except those requiring metal blocks

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 2:02 AM

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let me double check

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yup, it's the only one

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 2:04 AM

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that's not good then 🙂

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let's replace that by chestnuts

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i'll add chestnutflour or something to justify it being used in the gristmill reciepe

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eventually

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 2:05 AM

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kk, that's why i was saying wheat at first

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 2:05 AM

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but it already requires 20 wheat

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 2:06 AM

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lol, didn't really look that up, just notticed i had one thing not filling up and didn't get why until i realized

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wellbeeing went almost 10 points simply with lidoirrigation! have all foods available makes a huge change 🙂

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and i forgot the beehives ..again 😆

scarlet marten Mar 18, 2023, 4:47 AM

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shows up with an error, my mod list:

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error report:

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nvm it says it a malicious file

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I extracted the documents

📎 1_Exception_2023-03-18-17h42m31s.txt 📎 2_Player_log_2023-03-18-17h42m31s.txt

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 5:01 AM

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Disable the 2-tall small storage mod.

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 6:11 AM

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yep

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Question relative to the town square mod. if i make gathererflags for farmable crops (carrots etc.) but give no drawback because it's just a flag it makes even the large farmhouse obsolete, so that's not good.
unfortunately the "resource consuming buidling" property cannot disable a flag worplace so that sucks, which leaves me only (unless someone has a better idea) with the science consuming property of the control tower as the only option, but how much science per hour is acceptable so you would consider using it, but without being prohibitively expensive ? right now i'm testing 1 science per hour, but that seems salty. and of course something inconsequencial would be pointless.

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maybe 0,5 per hour ?

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i don't know i think i'm just not making this flag

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 8:10 AM

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Also different story, but does anyone has a good idea for a better name than the "waterbeavers" ?

silver phoenix Mar 18, 2023, 8:16 AM

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the Aquarians

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 10:50 AM

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Update incomming !

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as soon as i've finished debugging it !

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 10:54 AM

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Maybe we are doing a wrong approach searching for name.... You try to make a faction closest possible to how a beaver act in real life, so, think that is the aspect to be pinpointed by the faction name.

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 10:57 AM

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hmm...maybe

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but i'm starting to like "the whitepaws" it fits well with the other factions

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 10:58 AM

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important is that you must like-it !

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 11:33 AM

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Well, my PC didn't explode when loading my previous save, so we have a go !

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tell me if you or your surroundings catch of fire !

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 1:05 PM

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Will try. But, do you consider of linking the unlocking faction to, let say, 40 wellbeings level for Iron teeth ? And, if you remove the sawdust, to change or add a new recipe to mushroom to make resin from carrot, water and logs ? O slow one, but to allow player to use maps that don't have pine near the start location ?

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 1:34 PM

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heavy lodge Will try. But, do you consider of linking the unlocking faction to, let say, 40...

Ah having a shit recipe for resin just in case you have none is actually a pretty good idea

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But unlocking the faction with condition X is probably not great, what if people don't like the ironteeth ?

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 2:54 PM

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Well, some don't like FT, but must play this faction to unlock IT 😄

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 5:00 PM

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heavy lodge Will try. But, do you consider of linking the unlocking faction to, let say, 40...

ah actually no that doesn't work. in theory that would but both the cooking tent and the alchemist use pine resin as input, so any reciepe that would make pineresin would cause the AI to glitch

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but i have an other option : the broken kart will drop 8-12 pineresin when you raze it

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the nex district center is no longer watertight (with four open doors it would be a bit unrealistic) so doesn't require pine resin either

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and the forester needs only 8

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so should be good.

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i mean, horribly painful, but playable

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tomorrow i'll rearragne the "village" tab so that the tents are in their respective groups (food, industry, etc)

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and maybe put the ballons in a subgroup

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the town square will be in the village group too so it won't be empty

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Considering how long take pine to grow and then to make resin, not sure that I want to try a map with no pine near start location 😮

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 5:10 PM

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i just started one, we'll see 😅

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 5:11 PM

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I am quite curious ...

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 5:27 PM

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shell fiber Also different story, but does anyone has a good idea for a better name than the...

Told you, with the new reskin it's the albinos beavers ! 😆 anyway in my heart they'll always be the Water Beavers!

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 5:29 PM

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shell fiber Question relative to the town square mod. if i make gathererflags for farmable c...

I'd be more incline to have the large farmhouse gather berries, dandelion and nuts, so flags become obselet in the endgame unless some specific tight places where you can't have the huge farmhouse

shell fiber Mar 18, 2023, 5:31 PM

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Hmm... I'd like to have this kind of progression but It's hard to make obsolete a building that give one work slot with no cost and no drawback

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But time to sleep for me, good night

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 5:31 PM

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GN

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:07 PM

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well, it's crashing for me, guess it has something to do with the mod pattch from @heavy lodge ... anyone else has issues with 1.1.2?

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:09 PM

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I'm using that mod unchanged right now, and, no crash ... post the crash archive, to take a look at it !

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:12 PM

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think the only thing i have is 2 curly staircases rest is original WB stuff...

want it here or DM?

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:14 PM

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Here, if is not secret 😄

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:14 PM

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📎 error-report-2023-03-18-14h14m03s.zip

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if I rollback to 1.1.1 everything is fine

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:18 PM

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You have disabled the add-on, and still crashing ...

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:19 PM

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but something is strange my curly stairs vanished...

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:19 PM

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What are you doing when it crash ?

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:20 PM

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just loading the game

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something is strange tho when i roll back to 1.1.1, it's like all tabs are empty

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other stairs are not there, metal bridges, tunnels ... all display nothing

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:22 PM

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It's normal since you have disabled the add-on .

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:23 PM

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i did that? how? 🤔

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:24 PM

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Maybe is disabled in mod manager, maybe is missing a dependency mod and this cause the add-on to not be active or is deleted ...

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:25 PM

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looks like uploading 1.1.2 removed the add-on

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i don't see it anymore in the file

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:27 PM

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But, I've updated the water beaver mod, and, the add-on remains ...

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:27 PM

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maybe because i did "download" instead of "update" and it crashed the old folder

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:28 PM

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Give me 5 minutes, and, will be in beaver-noises ...

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:28 PM

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just tried "updat" instead of download, will see if it's still there that time around

heavy lodge Mar 18, 2023, 6:35 PM

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I'll be back in an hour, will see if is still some issue...

radiant heart Mar 18, 2023, 6:36 PM

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k, I won't be here probably, nap will be over for the kids

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Still crashed with the add-on, anyway, don't have much time so just gonna roll back to 1.1.1 so i can play a bit for now!

📎 error-report-2023-03-18-14h40m16s.zip

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 12:51 AM

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Yay! curly stairs just because it's fun!

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and irigation tower because why not!

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need to save dynamite so no lido irrigation yet

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 12:57 AM

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If you did a manual download, most likely you overwrote the specifications of the other mods causing then to disappear.

Not sure what happens when you update through mod manager

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 12:57 AM

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both ways it deleted the add-on, dropped it back in, it worked with 1.1.1 but not 1.1.2

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 12:58 AM

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Lol what kind of war criminal builds a brdgehouse on the floor 😅

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 12:59 AM

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lol, wanted a path there and needed haulers, so...

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 12:59 AM

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Wait why is your town center not four ways ?

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 12:59 AM

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i'm 1.1.1

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 12:59 AM

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Did I miss something ?

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Oh

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:00 AM

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1.1.2 is messing up with the patch from todor, or god knows what

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 1:00 AM

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Hmmm... I should get in this mod compatibility thing but at the same time I want to play today...

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:00 AM

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but i have curly stairs in place so .. can't really go to 1.1.2 if it doesn't work

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 1:01 AM

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Maybe I'll just take care of the train and stairs

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:01 AM

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have fun, got enough to do before beeing able to test out the new balloons 😉

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 1:01 AM

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I'm going to test a pine-less start

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😅

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:01 AM

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Oooooo

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hope they are not too far

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like reachable with first distric center

wide bridge Mar 19, 2023, 1:16 AM

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The mechanic/architect recipes taking 300-400 hours is insane

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:17 AM

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was 600h not so long ago 😉

wide bridge Mar 19, 2023, 1:17 AM

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Why does lapan hate us so much?

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Also: crappy platform: 17 logs small covered tank: 12 logs. Crappy platform should never be used.

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:22 AM

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lol

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i don't use theem just because of the debuff

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 1:41 AM

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wide bridge Also: crappy platform: 17 logs small covered tank: 12 logs. Crappy platform shou...

well using buildings as platform is fine, if you actually use the building as it should be

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otherwise it's kind of cheating i think

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i mean, the small warehouse costs 3 logs so...

wide bridge Mar 19, 2023, 1:42 AM

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Also: blueprints go from mechanic to artsy to copist to artsy to the building. There’s an extra loop.

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 1:43 AM

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wide bridge Why does lapan hate us so much?

reseach takes time 🙂

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 1:43 AM

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wide bridge Also: blueprints go from mechanic to artsy to copist to artsy to the building. T...

oh that's to fix a game limitation

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:43 AM

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wide bridge Also: blueprints go from mechanic to artsy to copist to artsy to the building. T...

it had to be this way
-lapan

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 1:43 AM

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you can't have a reciepe that takes one of something and outputs 2 of the same something

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 1:44 AM

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i kinda like it, i pause the building and make a bunch so i don't have to redo the original one

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:01 AM

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actually i like this system because that also makes a bunch of "town houses" that are stackable

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okay, i made the specifications for other mods compatibility (was not that hard to be fair)

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for path extension

📎 FactionSpecification.waterbeavers.json

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for staircase mod

📎 FactionSpecification.waterbeavers.json

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for choochoo

📎 FactionSpecification.waterbeavers.json

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:05 AM

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wow, was expecting way more lines

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:05 AM

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for vertical powershaft

📎 FactionSpecification.waterbeavers.json

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actually it's just "this faction can use this buidling"

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so those files must be put with the specifications of the mod in question, not mine !

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(although it would maybe work too)

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:06 AM

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Ooo, i see

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:06 AM

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i also send them to knatte and tobbert, so hopefully in their next update everyone who has the mod will immediately have this activated

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:07 AM

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would be easier if it's on your side and if anyone after wants to make a new faction it could accept whatever mod it wants without having the other modder change is stuff

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:07 AM

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well yes but then compatibility is a chore

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it's far better if i manage the specification and just send them to package with their mod

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:08 AM

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you know better then me 😉

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:08 AM

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well you're right in that it's not their responsibility, but i think it's not unreasonnable because that takes zero effort

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:11 AM

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my idea was that waht Todor did is added into your mod so there must be something that can be within it to make it work.

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:12 AM

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oh yeah that definitley works too, but the issue is that is suppose that players will want mod XYZ, and if one is actually missing, well crahsh

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:13 AM

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mmm, there is no wayt to drop just a "IF" XYZ mod is there, turn on otherwise dissregard?

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:13 AM

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plus i don't want to assume players are capable of finding the right specifications to rig their custom set

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not that i know of unfortunately

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the game gets very upset if you tell faction X that it can use building Y but can't find building Y

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:14 AM

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i see

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:15 AM

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the only "tolerance" the game has is for reciepes that uses an ingredient a faction doesn't have access too, then that ingredient is ignored without problem

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every other missmatch causes it to explode 😅

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:15 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

Tenor

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:16 AM

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kaboom 🙂

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:16 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/mohamed-baby-yes-yey-cute-gif-15857559

Tenor

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finally getting to the bigg wheels!

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:18 AM

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but now we have trains 🙂

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i really wanted trains 🙂

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:18 AM

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gonna make it a depedancy?

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:18 AM

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the vertical powershaft is for when i inevitably nerf the wind turbines

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path is just too good to make train bridges🙂

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and spiral stairs just too conveninent

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:20 AM

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super convinient and they look great

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:20 AM

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radiant heart gonna make it a depedancy?

no, ultimately it is not a necessity

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okay, nuked my save file, not it's time to suffer

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let's try a pine-less map 😅

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:21 AM

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pineless?

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:22 AM

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i think it's "dam river" or something

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a modded map

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:22 AM

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didn't do modded maps yet

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:23 AM

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eh, why not

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:23 AM

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just never got into it

distant wigeon Mar 19, 2023, 2:34 AM

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radiant heart Yay! curly stairs just because it's fun!

You could replace that platform with a little warehouse. 😉

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 2:35 AM

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distant wigeon You could replace that platform with a little warehouse. 😉

true, or a little covered tank so the irrigation tower has water right by it!

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thanks! didn't think about that one 😄

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 2:41 AM

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screenshot ?

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i'm streaming btw

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 3:51 AM

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yeah, was watching you, if I may, you have enough pumps, not enough tanks, they are always full so you don't store all you can out of a pumping day i think 😉

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 4:17 AM

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shell fiber screenshot ?

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 4:30 AM

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Ah yes but tanks are expensive

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 4:30 AM

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tanks really don't like rooftops

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or it's same problem as my other ones and it should be ok in 1.1.2?

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 4:31 AM

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Ah fuck

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Okay, in the list of things to fix

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But I think that's just one box to check

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I'm out right now, went for lunch to the Indian place just 2 min walk

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 4:34 AM

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i'm heading out to sleep anyway have a good lunch and have fun!

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 4:35 AM

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Thanks !

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 7:04 AM

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okay, because dynamite is so far off technologically, (meaning that lido irrigation is not reachable early enough) i've removed the irrigation tower science lock, but incresed it cost to 45 logs and 10 planks. it's still hard to maintain its inventory so i'll decrease its water consumption to 1/h instead of 2/h

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 7:26 AM

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😮

distant wigeon Mar 19, 2023, 7:42 AM

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shell fiber okay, because dynamite is so far off technologically, (meaning that lido irrigat...

In the meantime, for everyone else, there's convenient Lido-sized holes in my most recent map release "Ruinous Shores". Not a lot, though.
Presumably, you still need to research the Lido first.

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 7:44 AM

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"lido sized" 😅

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nature makes things in a very strange way 😉

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 9:21 AM

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heavy lodge 😮

fixed.
there was also some inconstistencies in the blueprints, some costs were missing

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basically they were all supposed to start with 10 pencils, 50 carrots, 50 paper, 20 logs (writing material, extra pay, and modeling raw material) and then 40 ressources loosely based on whatever the building to design is supposed to be

tawdry bronze Mar 19, 2023, 11:49 AM

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Staircase and Path extention updated to add support for this mod @shell fiber 🙂

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 11:50 AM

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Thank you 😊

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 12:30 PM

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i'm getting really annoyed at those stupid beavers who work at a waterpump but are thirsty, can just pump a drop for themselves and instead leave their post, cross the entire village to go grab one on an other pump, go back to their workplace, realize they're still thirsty, repeat 3 or four times, then pump a couple of drops for others, then it's late, go to sleep, repeat. 🤪

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and i forgot the workspeed and movespeed debuff from being thirsty 😖

tawdry bronze Mar 19, 2023, 12:44 PM

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Maybe custom recipie for the pump to have more storage in the house

shell fiber Mar 19, 2023, 12:50 PM

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nah it's fine, i mean, it's beaver logic, the core issue is that i ran out of water

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i was playing on Dam river, which is pretty hard for the WB

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no metal, no pine

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river is deep and wide

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:33 PM

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Well, another to fix 😮

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:35 PM

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Hey @heavy lodge, found out why i was crashing yesterday with the patch or didn't look upp the second repport yet? looks like yours is working !

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:36 PM

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Just curious, what was the problem ?

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In the second report, was a conflict with some unexpected district position 😮

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:37 PM

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no clue crashed at loading, first time because upfdate removed the patch but even after putting it in it still crashed,

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maybe since my second distric center was paused and could not change it for the 4way one? 🤔

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:40 PM

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Could be, but could be also some tree growing in the district position. But, after 4 hours of map.json file in notepad, I decided to give-up 😄

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:41 PM

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lol

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gonna give it another try since my other district is running now

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:42 PM

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wait, must send another mod, since Knatte added speciifications for this beaver houses in his mods ...

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:43 PM

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actually still working with 1.1.1, didn't need to change anything

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:44 PM

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Just in case, this is for 1.1.2 !

📎 add-on-WBF.zip

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:44 PM

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ok, hope it works 🤞

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:45 PM

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It works, since all day was on it, and I'm still in ...

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:46 PM

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yeah but yesterday it worked for you too but not for me :S

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anyway will see in a few...

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:46 PM

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That's why I spend a lot of time looking at map in notepad 😮

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:50 PM

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🥳

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YAY now i got my albinos beavers too!

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thanks todor LoveIT

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:52 PM

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It's working ?

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:52 PM

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yes

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only thing i can see is the paused distric center

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even without the patch it loaded in 1.1.1, only the curly stairs vanished so no reason it wouldn't do the same in 1.1.2

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Hon no, that new district center shortens the range by 1 😦

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This lumberjack was at the edge of beeing reachable

distant wigeon Mar 19, 2023, 5:54 PM

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Get District extender?

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:55 PM

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Well, district extender mod still works, it's unbreakable 😄

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 5:55 PM

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for one square i won't blow a gasket 🤣 will just relocate

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mm but curly stairs vanished 🤔 even gone from the stair tab

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grills vanished too...

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WTF? 😂

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some waterpumps too... what the actual water hell is that ?? 😆

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 5:59 PM

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??

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 6:00 PM

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red circles were grills and green ones stairs

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 6:00 PM

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But, I see a funny thinks in the log : [Warning: Unity Log] Can't have a number of working workers higher than the max number of workers at Primitivemine(Clone)
[Warning: Unity Log] Can't have a negative number of working workers at Primitivemine(Clone)

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 6:01 PM

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had a row of waterpumps there

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@heavy lodge you still have acces to curly stairs?

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 6:03 PM

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This ones ?

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 6:03 PM

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not the log stairs, the curved ones

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 6:03 PM

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radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 6:03 PM

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i'll double check if i have the mod enabaled

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yup, it's enabled

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Well, you have updated the Knatte mods with mod manager ? The specifications now is in his mods !

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 6:05 PM

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woopsy 😅

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 6:06 PM

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That's why I've updated the add-on, to prevent a crash ...

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 6:10 PM

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ok, everything is fine with the stairs but grills and pumps still vanished 🤔

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 6:12 PM

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I need a log from BeepiEX folder, to see if you have a warning about missing dependencies ..

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 6:12 PM

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I know lapan was reworking some issues with buildings over others having a "not-connecting" issue, might just be that

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those small tanks on the right had the same issue as the medium one on the left, my best guess is solving that did something to buildings i had not on the ground.

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anyway, just gonna rebuild, not a big deal.

Kids are up, Later 👋

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 6:16 PM

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Bye

static glacier Mar 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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I just downloaded the mod, how do i start a game with it? I restarted the game and so on... do i need to play with FT or IT first to unlock the water beavers?

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 9:02 PM

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with FT you must reach level 5

static glacier Mar 19, 2023, 9:02 PM

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okay thx

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 9:10 PM

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IT rank was removed with last update?

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 9:11 PM

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No, why ?

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 9:11 PM

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just asking since you said only R5 for FT

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i don't remember the rank with IT

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 9:12 PM

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To unlock IT you need level 16 of FT !

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 9:13 PM

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but what is the required lvl of IT to unlock WB

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or it is not required anymore?

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 9:13 PM

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WB is linked to be unlocked only to FT

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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that is new!

heavy lodge Mar 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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? Was from the start, as I remember ...

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 9:15 PM

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not sure what version I started on but there was a req for IT but had it done NP, just finished a run at 75 with IT

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(extra snacks and few other mods, but not the wellbeing boost)

static glacier Mar 19, 2023, 10:28 PM

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Found a bug. Building a "watertight" building above water (on platforms or other buildings) blocks the waterflow off. But otherwise this mod is SICK! Love it, makes me use my brain

radiant heart Mar 19, 2023, 11:20 PM

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static glacier Found a bug. Building a "watertight" building above water (on platforms or other...

got a screen shot of that? not sure i understand and would probably help me !

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watertight buildings are meant to stop water like levees if they are in the right orientation

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 12:42 AM

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@shell fiber grill is now ground only? And pumps too?

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 2:23 AM

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Gaz tank? could make so many immature jokes about that 🤣

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 3:06 AM

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It's not water hell, it's BP and FBP hell. I cannot find a rule, some houses use bluprint to be build, other fancy one 😮

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:06 AM

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what uses regular BP? cauz everything i found is fancy ones 🤔

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could be lido hell too, who the F fills up a lido with sewer drainage 😆

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:08 AM

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Ah yes, sorry about that, but that is "intentional"
As @static glacier points out, having watertight building above water causes some very weird behaviours, but I had forgot to adjust the placement rules of some modded vanilla buildings, notably the water pump but also someothers.

Basically there is three types of restrictions : ground, heavy stackable (watertight buildings) and light stackable (non watertight) and they "rank" in this order.

So basically you should not have been able to build those pumps on top of platforms in the first place 😅 of course you could but that was my mistake

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:09 AM

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radiant heart could be lido hell too, who the F fills up a lido with sewer drainage 😆

Oh right this texture needs fixing 😅

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:09 AM

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i see, so it's the same with grills?

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:10 AM

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static glacier Found a bug. Building a "watertight" building above water (on platforms or other...

And yes, but that is not a bug just the way the game engine works

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:10 AM

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i kinda get it for pumps but grills, should be able to build those high, IMO

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:10 AM

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radiant heart i kinda get it for pumps but grills, should be able to build those high, IMO

Well you can build it on top of other watertight buildings like handicrafter

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:11 AM

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like to have them watertight it can't be on top of a non-watertight building?

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got it

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just like you can't put a levee on a platform

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:11 AM

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radiant heart like to have them watertight it can't be on top of a non-watertight building?

Problem is that you can't do conditional properties 😥

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:12 AM

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radiant heart just like you can't put a levee on a platform

Yes exactly

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:13 AM

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too bad cauz with only one corner that needs a platform can't put a building there even tho in theory the watertight building would make is but the support makes it not working

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if you see what i mean

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is something messed up with water consumption on last update?

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went from a constant 1k+ water to thirsty ones running around... ( yea i rebuilt the 4 pumps i lost on solid ground)

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:17 AM

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heavy lodge It's not water hell, it's BP and FBP hell. I cannot find a rule, some houses use...

Oh it should all be fancy blueprints, my bad

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:17 AM

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radiant heart

That's why there is a log levee 😉

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:18 AM

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shell fiber That's why there is a log levee 😉

yeah, works for that case but with the bigger buildings....

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:19 AM

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radiant heart went from a constant 1k+ water to thirsty ones running around... ( yea i rebuilt...

Well I keep dying due to water shortage too so... 😅

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:19 AM

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i get it you don't want ppl building 10-15and + levee stuff but if at least a levee could be by another one and not only solid ground it would be ok

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 3:19 AM

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I know it's fancy to build, but a fancy must be copied and then make them fancy again in order to work, that's why is fancy hell 😮

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:19 AM

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shell fiber Well I keep dying due to water shortage too so... 😅

Told you, it's water storage you have a problem with, you don't build enough tanks. ( at least what i've seen yesterday)

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your pumps are working but you're capped so you waste precious water 😉

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:20 AM

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heavy lodge I know it's fancy to build, but a fancy must be copied and then make them fancy ...

Ahahah, well if the game would just allow duplication recipes 😉

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 3:21 AM

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radiant heart Told you, it's water storage you have a problem with, you don't build enough tan...

I absolutely agree. I think the issue is that I never bothered to calculate how much storage I would need. If I remember correctly it's 2,4 water par day right ?

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:22 AM

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shell fiber I absolutely agree. I think the issue is that I never bothered to calculate how ...

Idk, i just keep on building untill they don't fill up at max

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 3:22 AM

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It's a loop, take a fancy, make a copy to make fancy again, and will have a lot of fancy and consume other resources, mainly paper 👹

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:22 AM

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think if they are real close to the pump you can have 4-5 small tanks per pump

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:23 AM

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heavy lodge It's a loop, take a fancy, make a copy to make fancy again, and will have a lot ...

Just let it roll so you have back ups, but don't let it run out to avoid the 200-300h making 😉

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:24 AM

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shell fiber I absolutely agree. I think the issue is that I never bothered to calculate how ...

think they drink twice a day if maxed out before bed, 2,4 sounds right

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 3:25 AM

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radiant heart Just let it roll so you have back ups, but don't let it run out to avoid the 200...

Do you remember that a long time ago I say that we must sell BP on steam ? 😄

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:26 AM

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heavy lodge Do you remember that a long time ago I say that we must sell BP on steam ? 😄

I take payment only in gold/silver coins tho, what do you need? 😜

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 3:27 AM

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paper, to recover from BP 😄

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 3:58 AM

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since we need juice for alcool, can we store juice now ? 😝

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 6:40 AM

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radiant heart since we need juice for alcool, can we store juice now ? 😝

You can store it as alcohol 😅

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 7:30 AM

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radiant heart Just let it roll so you have back ups, but don't let it run out to avoid the 200...

The artsy lodge really doesn't cost anything except it's population, so you can convert every blueprint into fancy ones to have less clutter in your inventory bar

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 8:04 AM

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@heavy lodge which building is it that requires non-fancy blueprints to build ? i can't find which one 🤔

raven stag Mar 20, 2023, 9:31 AM

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what mods are compatible with water beaver?

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 10:33 AM

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right now the staircase mod and path extension have been made natively compatible

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and i have custom specifications that make ChooChoo and vertical shaft compatible on hand but you'll have to add the specification file manually

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 10:35 AM

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shell fiber for choochoo

here

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UI mods generally are compatible

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everything else should be disabled as a matter of safety.
ESPECIALLY the mushroom mod

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 10:58 AM

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shell fiber <@436961302494183446> which building is it that requires non-fancy blueprints to...

No, all require fancy BP, issue is that if you make BP , after make-it fancy in the fancy lodge, it can't be used. Must take-it to copyist , BP must then take-it to fancy lodge and only then can be use. And, inflation of FBP if you "sleep" 🥳

static glacier Mar 20, 2023, 4:05 PM

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shell fiber And yes, but that is not a bug just the way the game engine works

ah okay, i will keep that in mind... makes my build plans much harder XD

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 4:27 PM

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It is possible to change the size of dwellers window ? At 1080p, the whole large farmhouse window won't fir on screen, and, hard to find money for a 4K monitor 😮

shell fiber Mar 20, 2023, 5:20 PM

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heavy lodge It is possible to change the size of dwellers window ? At 1080p, the whole large...

i'm afraid the UI wasn't made for weird modders like me 😅
you can modify the UI scale in the menu but that's the best i can tell you... i have zero modding skills in terms of UI

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 5:57 PM

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Was afraid of this. So, 4K monitor or glasses ... Guess will be glasses, it's cheaper 🤣

static glacier Mar 20, 2023, 6:08 PM

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is the base game smelter hut ground bound? Sorry, but I am very confused. If so, it is missing in the description

silver phoenix Mar 20, 2023, 6:23 PM

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heavy lodge It is possible to change the size of dwellers window ? At 1080p, the whole large...

is that scroll bar on the right not working?

heavy lodge Mar 20, 2023, 6:24 PM

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No, it's about the recipe at the bottom that is not showing full !

silver phoenix Mar 20, 2023, 6:25 PM

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oh

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and what if u minimize the description?

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 7:48 PM

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Had to reduce UI to 80-85% to reach the good limit button on a district center, it’s not great but at least there is a way

radiant heart Mar 20, 2023, 10:41 PM

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static glacier is the base game smelter hut ground bound? Sorry, but I am very confused. If so,...

think all "tents" like buildings are made to be ground-only

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:23 AM

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static glacier is the base game smelter hut ground bound? Sorry, but I am very confused. If so,...

The UI in the small 2*2 crappy smelter should indicate that it is ground only, but if your taking about the original smelter that's also a house, it is watertight (because it looks watertight) and thus can only be place above something also watertight

static glacier Mar 21, 2023, 9:22 AM

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shell fiber The UI in the small 2*2 crappy smelter should indicate that it is ground only, b...

i tried that (with the original smelter) and placed him on the ground overlapping onto two of the log dams (or primitiv dams...?) and it would not place. So maybe the game thinks its "ground bound" and not just bound to watertight structures. I walked around the problem and placed my working district elsewhere, so its fine now

stone halo Mar 21, 2023, 10:13 AM

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@shell fiber @heavy lodge just notified in #🤖mod-creators that a crash happens on load because you added the 4 way districts? Probably cannot do that and just hide the original and only allow the 4 way to be used from then forward

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 1:04 PM

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i'm not dead yet !

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(on my playthrougth)

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 1:07 PM

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now that you got the forester in place it's not that bad, i guess scrap metal is the biggest bottleneck

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 1:35 PM

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radiant heart now that you got the forester in place it's not that bad, i guess scrap metal is...

yeah

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but now that i know how to calculate the amount of water storage i need, it's a lot easier

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i cut the stream for a sec, but that's just to fix a bug

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 1:36 PM

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kk

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 1:37 PM

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maybe it's more convenient to chat here actually

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since we're not speaking anyway

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 1:43 PM

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yeah, popped out the stream window on another monitor and got the chat here open

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 1:44 PM

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i have a phone call

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need to cut the stream for a sec

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kay im back

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:20 PM

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gotta cut again

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 2:20 PM

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finding bugs ?

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:20 PM

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uh, also, but my mom called about some tax stuff i need to do 😅

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 2:33 PM

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RUH ROH, water running low !

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:36 PM

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ahaha

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i have them drink mushroom juice

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and carrot

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ti wash it off

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 2:37 PM

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since we talked about it i'm simply disgussed at the tought of mush juice !

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why not making stew doesn't it help thirst also? don't remember

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:38 PM

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oh right

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yeah i was fine with food so i didn't bother making stew

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aaaaah

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 2:43 PM

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isee, i try to make it ASAP normally

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i just like to have as much wellbeeing bonus as possible, so i never use the "yuk" items like log platforms and mush juice. Too bad log platforms give a debuff cauz they look nice

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 2:59 PM

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log platforms don't give any debuff 🤔

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 2:59 PM

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tought they do due to decription and the red "-" on it

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gonna use them more if that's the case!

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:05 PM

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well among other things, i'm going to remove the normal platforms eventually, to replace them with something similar but that cannot stack a hundred times

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not sure yet

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:06 PM

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so you basicaly want it impossible to put gravity batteries in the sky with that faction? 😂

heavy lodge Mar 21, 2023, 3:06 PM

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Water hell creator in action 😄

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:08 PM

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ahah

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that's not really the point

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at the end i want to have some complext buildings that can only be build X levels above ground

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but it's not fun if you can just dump a million platforms

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wait a sec my sound is dead for some reaon

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had to restart the damn thing

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thankfully this is a good computer, goes fast

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🙂

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:15 PM

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had an issue with my headphones earlier this week too, i dn't get it how microsoft manages to F up audio on every update

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:16 PM

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for my part it's generally an issue with the sound taking weird setting without asking

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probably has to do with muting other sounds when your having voice communication

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how do you like my dam ?

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:24 PM

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it's cool, is it the smaller gap you could leave for the water without flooding upstream?

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not that it would change much anyway, just curious

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:24 PM

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nah it shouldn't flood upstreams

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but i'll have a bigger dam here

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:25 PM

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hope it doesn't flood your alchimist/pump like it did on my run with back to back dams

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:25 PM

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ahah

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well as a rune of thumb you need the dam to be X wide, where X is the number of sources

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:26 PM

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wait a minute tho there are more then 4 sources up there

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:27 PM

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8

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:28 PM

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so it's X/2

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:28 PM

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well it depends on their stength actually

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:28 PM

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kk

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:28 PM

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most have 2 strength, some only 1

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sometimes... who knows

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:29 PM

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idk, sometimes i feel like the strenght is variable

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:32 PM

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oops

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:32 PM

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lmao at breakdancing beaver in the mush grower

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:35 PM

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i'm not gonna have enought water i think

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:35 PM

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gonna cut it close i think

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at least you have one pump still active, gonna help a bit

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:39 PM

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yeah

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i don't know how i should do this dam down there

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the buildings seem... inadapted

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:40 PM

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You made it like that it's your fault !

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:40 PM

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ahahaha

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yes

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:41 PM

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i'd just dump a row of damns to have a puddle for the pumps at least and figure out the rest later

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but metal fastners are gonna block you a bit

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:41 PM

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yeah

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the problem down there is that the water level is a tad too high

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can i dam this entrie thing ?

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:43 PM

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Ooof

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i'd try to do it !

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like a blockage line from the birch towards the mountain ( if you see waht i mean)

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:45 PM

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i'm an idiot

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où messed up so many priorites

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:47 PM

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WTF is taht tank? the gas one? looks great !

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 3:48 PM

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it's basically the medium tank but all metal

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recently i've been modding like crazy, but i never got close to used half of what i made 😅

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my colonies always end up dying 😅

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 3:52 PM

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i'm actually contemplating a hard mode run of WB 😆 still need to figure out the strat tho

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i have 4 shroom growers for 130 beavers atm, feels like you're a tad overdoing it 😉

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:00 PM

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yeah but my food is getting low and i don't have much farmland to expand to

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i wait i have

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i think i need the aquatic farmhouse first

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:01 PM

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large farmhouse

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:01 PM

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i already have a pond for it

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:01 PM

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small famrs don't collect fast enough

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:01 PM

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just make more 🙂

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:01 PM

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still, makes your pop explode

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:03 PM

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yeah but they definitely harvest more than they eat

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:04 PM

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i large farmhouse "reachable zone" gonna need between 3 and 5 small farmhouse to seed the fields depending on the crops, my fast estimate is 10-12 small farmhouse to plant/gatther the same amount

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( are you harvesting the berries left of your base?)

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👍

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didn't remember you dropping a gather flag there

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:06 PM

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oh it was here all along

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guess we need 20h wordays 😅

heavy lodge Mar 21, 2023, 4:10 PM

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LOL, worst punishment ever, a modder to play with his own creations in hard mode 😮 LoveF

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:10 PM

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ahahah

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:12 PM

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wai tthat run is on hard mode @shell fiber ?

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:12 PM

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i need to raise the wellbeing to get higher productivity

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no no no

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just "no pine no metal"

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the rest is normal settings

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:12 PM

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offf, that would have been a tad insane

heavy lodge Mar 21, 2023, 4:13 PM

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Still, a "little hard mode" 😄

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:13 PM

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aaaaaaah

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:13 PM

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i'd say more slow then hard, and gotta be carefull how to use the metal you make

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:13 PM

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i'm not ready for the drought 😆

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:14 PM

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24h workdays Let'S GOOOOOOOOO

heavy lodge Mar 21, 2023, 4:15 PM

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Crazy is when you don't have enough logs, but don't dare to cut the pines 🥳

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:15 PM

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lol, had my brain melting over that issue early on my latest run

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:18 PM

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okay 75 * 2.4 *8

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uuuh

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😅

heavy lodge Mar 21, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Must be a way to prevent players to start with this mode in hard mode (suicide not allowed) 😮

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:30 PM

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i don't think the game menu has any provision for that, but maybe with code it's possible ?

heavy lodge Mar 21, 2023, 4:33 PM

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https://timberborn.featureupvote.com/suggestions/376635/difficulty-settings-per-map-presets-within-map-file Maybe can be a feature from the dev team, I hope .

Difficulty settings per map - presets within map file - Timberborn ...

Difficulty settings per map - presets within map file - Timberborn – Bugs and Suggestions

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:33 PM

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i sruvived ! 😅

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oh, crap, i made some beavers homeless

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:39 PM

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i do that often !

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:39 PM

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that should be forbidden 😅

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going to sleep soon

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:47 PM

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GN

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:47 PM

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i think i'll duplicate the aquatic farmhouse

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place the building, and then call it a day

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i don't like roofs

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they make no sense in this game

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:55 PM

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i like to do cute little porch in front of buildings doors

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like one platform and a single roof on it

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:56 PM

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hmm

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:56 PM

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i like how it looks plus makes sure all my beavers have that boost fullfiled all the time

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:56 PM

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yeah, for covered paths it is nice

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:56 PM

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yeah, also when i do a platform bridge i'll drop a line of platform/roof on it

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maybe just keep the 1x1 and 1x2?

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:58 PM

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actually i'd like a T shaped one

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or + shaped

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guess i can make it

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 4:59 PM

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kinda like the big 3x3 dam but as roofing?

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 4:59 PM

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it's only visual anyway

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yes and no

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i could do it 1x1

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or 3x3 but narrow, no corners

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actually for the + shaped dam, i'm thinking about making different types of upgrades

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maybe one that can work as a floodgate

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or one that can have a passage inside

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fuck

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:04 PM

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the + one could take 2 upgrades to go higher?

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:05 PM

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no no

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it could have two alternate upgrades

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time for the famous lido irrigation 🙂

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actually i should arrange the hitboxes so that it's not possible to remove the lido and leave the waterdunmp 🙂

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:14 PM

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at that point who cares, anyway you already dug the hole, there is no point removing the lido

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:16 PM

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true

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i was waiting for paper like an idiot but had no sawdust production...

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i'm also working on a medium mine to produce iron ore much more efficiently

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:22 PM

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will it have all 3 or just iron?

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:23 PM

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probably a reciepe that makes both

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but also a reciepe for quartz

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and possibly gold or some other stuff

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:24 PM

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will it be "free" to place like the small ones or it is to go on the underground ruins?

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:26 PM

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lol no

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ahahaha

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imagine the levees are ground

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:27 PM

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ok, like the huge tank, has to be underground

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:27 PM

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yeah

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except it's four deep

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and you have to add the stairs yourself

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but it's much earlier that the huge tank

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so on flat ground you'd have to pay like 50 explosives

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:29 PM

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shell fiber and you have to add the stairs yourself

but why? i feel like it's just an extra step not that usefull, just dump the stair cost in it

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:29 PM

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radiant heart but why? i feel like it's just an extra step not that usefull, just dump the sta...

hmm... maybe i should

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but it's probably better to have the actual acess point at the entrance

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in case it floods

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i think if you flood the giant buried tank, it's actually no problem

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:31 PM

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if it floods and you can't pump out the water it's gonna be a pain in the ass

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:31 PM

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oh right

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:31 PM

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think the flooding consider water on the entry door

shell fiber Mar 21, 2023, 5:31 PM

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yes

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i'll think about it, it's not final

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but time to go to sleep !

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GN :

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🙂

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:32 PM

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GN

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 5:51 PM

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aren't lodges supposed to be watertight? 🤔

radiant heart Mar 21, 2023, 7:25 PM

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shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 2:20 AM

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radiant heart aren't lodges supposed to be watertight? 🤔

they should, but i had a few errors in the placement rules of some buildings.
also the door voxel is never watertight (otherwise the building is unfloodable)

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:20 AM

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looks like the water is going across the building

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door is on the right so not where the water is flowing

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but water goes "across" the lodge

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idk, it's strange

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 2:22 AM

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ah, no i see what's happenning

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only the tall side of the double lodges are watertight

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:22 AM

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Ooo

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 2:23 AM

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so basically the water can run on the floor of the front part

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and floods whatever soil the lodge is on

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:23 AM

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so front part could be built on platforms?

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 2:23 AM

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yea i really need to remake those shits

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well right now you could argue that, but let's say no

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i need to remake them

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:24 AM

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kk

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🤔

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not enough water i guess

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:55 AM

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This is not an aquatic farmhouse 😅

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:56 AM

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🤣

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oupsy

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 12:38 PM

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i finished my medium mine 🙂

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i think

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stairs and fences included 🙂

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 12:41 PM

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it looks great!

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is it like the big tank that you need to dig a hole befor placing it? cauz with that weird shape it's gonna be hard a bit to figureout i think how to explode

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 12:43 PM

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actually it's not that hard if you go layer by layer

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 12:44 PM

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🤔

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 12:44 PM

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it indicates that i needs a 4-deep hole

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i think it's clear enought that the "main" hole is 3x3

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then you adjust for the stairs

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but the stairs can be on platforms if you mess up

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 12:45 PM

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kk, will see

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Oooo I see a big pump there! i like !

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the house one is cute and i like the idea but it's far from pumping enough

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 12:57 PM

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i'm a goddamn idiot

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i couldn't place the mine back on the platforms

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so i though i made a mistake in the properties

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but there was just a lido in the way...

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 12:59 PM

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can't open my mouth too much, I can't even make the diffrecence between large farmehouse and aquatic farmhouse 😆

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:00 PM

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so you can pump the water out like this if it ever gets flooded

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and this is just the regular pump, but made fat

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i wanted it to consume sunflower oil, but the pumping script is not made to be interrupted by anything except lack of power

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so instead it is just made with 50 oil and let's call it good for a lifetime

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:03 PM

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so it's the mecha pump of the IT just reskined?

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:03 PM

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i think the FT also have one no ?

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just the pipe is shorter

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:03 PM

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Not sure, i don't play much FT, i prefer IT

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like i played FT to unlock IT and that's about it , didn't do a long run

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:04 PM

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oh, no i think you're right

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ah

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no they indeed have one

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:04 PM

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4 deep instead of 6 i suppose?

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:04 PM

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yeha

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:10 PM

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"the homeless hut" ? 🤣

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:15 PM

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to be able to have proper waterproofing, i need it to be made in two parts

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so one will be this crappy unfinished house

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and the second one will be more normal

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:16 PM

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O, i see, for the problem I had yesterday you mean?

static glacier Mar 22, 2023, 1:21 PM

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just curios, is there anything planned to be done with the ruins from the original base game? Not really to extract metal because i enjoy the hard gameplay, but some kind of gameplay aspect. Maybe something like "hot springs" to build over them as a new kind of lido and then you have to flood it manually so it functions. Just a thought because the useless spots in my map bug me XD

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:26 PM

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radiant heart O, i see, for the problem I had yesterday you mean?

yes

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:26 PM

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static glacier just curios, is there anything planned to be done with the ruins from the origin...

yes, in time i will have something with that

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:27 PM

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i like the geothermal power plant on the ruin, would be nice to have a reliable power source for that faction cauz wind and wheels can't work all the time

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:28 PM

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i like the idea of it being a nuclear waste deep storage to be honest 🙂

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can be both !

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aye, that will do

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ahahah

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:40 PM

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lol, i like the board just tossed in there !

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fits the "work in progress"

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:41 PM

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lol "dgaf" in one image

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:42 PM

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just curious, do you plan on having drop-off stations or it's intended to stay distric centers only?

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:43 PM

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did i remove the drop-off stations ?

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:43 PM

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yes or i'm blind

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:43 PM

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hmm... ah yes

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probably

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because i removed the entire "labor" category

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i can put them back of course

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:44 PM

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it's highly inneficient like that, would be nice to have those back, plus the "tent" like look fits the faction already 😉

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i like the paint splash on the artsy loge, can it be on the awning ?

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:48 PM

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on the what ?

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:49 PM

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teh canope, the "tissue part"

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talking about the drop off point, not the lodge

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:50 PM

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oh i see

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hmm...

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:50 PM

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or something else just to make it pop so they are easy to find

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:50 PM

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but it doesn't have any reaon to be full of paint 🤔

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ah, that's easy 🙂

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:51 PM

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shell fiber but it doesn't have any reaon to be full of paint 🤔

do we really need a reason for everything or "why not?" can be enough 😜

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:53 PM

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oh right I also wanted to fix that

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i'm annoyed that the "terasse" part of the double lodge is not actually walkable

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do you know of any building that has a 1-wide wall with a window toward the inside ?

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:56 PM

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the tiny lodge in the FT maybe?

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only one i can think off with a 1wide wall

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:56 PM

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nah i use pars of this one for many things, it doesn't have the right window like i would need now

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yeah, me too

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 1:58 PM

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maybe in the distribution mod, the small export center... but really not sure

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 1:59 PM

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i just had a idea

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tadaa

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 2:24 PM

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funny

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it looks flooded event though it's nto

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not

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because the water display does not like 1 gaps

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that's actually good

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trick the player into believing it's not watertight yet, when it is

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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so you could block the water with part 1 without having the full building? basically strange looking dam?

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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radiant heart so you could block the water with part 1 without having the full building? basic...

yes, but that would be cheating 😉

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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gonna need some of that "cheating" for a hard moe run 😉

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 2:34 PM

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noooo

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i'll make them more expensive than dams then 😈

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nah that would be prohibitive

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😅

latent umbra Mar 22, 2023, 2:35 PM

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what going on?

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:36 PM

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not much, trying to figure out if i wanna go over a hard mode run with WB and watching lapan do some stuff for the faction

latent umbra Mar 22, 2023, 2:37 PM

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wdym wb

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 2:37 PM

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Water Beavaers ( this mod)

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lol, not sure why but i guess there will be a lot of "criminals" 😆

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:02 PM

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hmmm.... stackability on each other is...poor.

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:36 PM

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🤔

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:36 PM

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is it doable to turn on the "prioritize rss" tab in the large farmhouse? Or it's like taht on purpose?

Like here i'd like the right one to go carrots first otherwise the left one ends up with nothing to do in range. when the right one goes berserk on sunflower

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:38 PM

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hmm...that's an issue with the farmhouse script, not sure i can find a workaround

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:38 PM

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cauz the drop down menu is there, just nothing to pick

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:38 PM

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yeah that has to do with the same issue that make the big farmhouse unable to plant

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:40 PM

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i see, well , tought it was intended that it cannot plant 😆

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:40 PM

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oh, no if i could it would

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what i am doing wrong with this house ?

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:41 PM

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no clue, maybe game doesn't like the 2 part build that goes one over the other?

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:47 PM

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nah, that's fine, but the rules are a bit whacky

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the difficult part is to make it so that it cant be put backside in front for example

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i'll finish that and go to sleep

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making the mirrored one is trivial

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the triple lodge is basically redoing the same thing

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and then the big corner ones will wait

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oh it's only 1AM

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EZ

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can mod a tiny bit more

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who needs sleep anyway ?

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:53 PM

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lol, i try to avoid going over mignight otherwise i find it too hard when the kids wake me up next morning

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:53 PM

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ahah

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well, no kids yet

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:54 PM

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kinda miss those days when i could sleep when I want how I want but wouldn't go back

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:54 PM

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well i guess it's nice to have a family

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i mean i have parents and brothers but no wife/kids

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but soon enough i guess

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:55 PM

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it's nice, it's a quite a rollercoaster tho 😆

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:56 PM

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oh, by the way, i got the job i applied for recently !

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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grats!

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:57 PM

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thanks !

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 3:58 PM

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i need to find a new one, kinda tired of my old one but I absolutely hate job searching, the interviews and all that crap

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 3:59 PM

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yeah i know that feeling. i hate that crap too

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in research what i really hate is labs that ask you for a research proposal in your application

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fuck that shit

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seriously i don't even know if they're interested in me and i should already come with a whole research plan ?

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like i have nothing better to do 🙄

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 4:01 PM

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and if they don't like you but like the plan they just steal it...

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 4:01 PM

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oh the house connected ! yay

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 4:02 PM

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radiant heart and if they don't like you but like the plan they just steal it...

yeah maybe, i actually wonder if they do

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so those houses should allow something like this

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lol what ?

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 4:04 PM

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"should" 🤔

shell fiber Mar 22, 2023, 4:05 PM

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accidentally cut discord

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okay, there might be some weird rule i'm missing

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probably has to do with the "bottom matching prefab" property

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it is weird

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but i don't think my brain is working well enough now

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let's just sleep

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 4:13 PM

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catch some rest, there will always be tomorrow!

radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 8:52 PM

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flattening some more farming field!

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radiant heart Mar 22, 2023, 9:15 PM

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Tought of something for the hardrun, is it "cheating" to keep the kart a bit after the district is built? 2 extra workers could be usefull early on🤔

distant wigeon Mar 22, 2023, 11:30 PM

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I wouldn't call it cheating - the kart drops important resources for continued advancement, after all, you're just establishing yourself more with your current tech level.

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 12:28 AM

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i had a similar idea, cooked food ought to spoil, and having it sit around instead as like raw potats, flour, maybe pickled stuff, and then cooked a bit more on demand, maybe with some temporary storage, but like actually make it spoil over time so you can’t stock up too much

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and maybe instead of having a ton of different recipes to manage setting it to, a restaurant/kitchen/whatever building takes many ingredients and the well being bonus depends on the variety of ingredients it has. instead of having dozens of various meals, it would just be the raw ingredients

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 2:02 AM

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i have a few ideas of food related stuff and when i get around to modding idk whether i want to make one big food overhaul or a bunch of little mods

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:02 AM

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I think it's possible to simulate spoilage by having the building consume the resource slowly.🤔

But the game really isn't capable to handle alterate or optional ingredients, at least as far as I know. But making different recipes is not very hard so I can do like for the stew : four five recipes with various ingredients, and if you have everything you can even make deluxe stew which is must better

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:02 AM

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lofty oxide i have a few ideas of food related stuff and when i get around to modding idk wh...

Yeah go for it 😉

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Knatte modding tutorial is quite well done

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 2:03 AM

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i guess what i was thinking is instead of making an item, beavers go in, it removes some fraction of some items based on a list of meals, and they leave fed and with some amount of meal wellbeing bonus

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:04 AM

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lofty oxide i guess what i was thinking is instead of making an item, beavers go in, it remo...

If you can code you probably can do that

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 2:04 AM

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yea i’ll have to learn/relearn c#

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:04 AM

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But all I can do is rearrange existing elements, so I have more limitations

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 2:05 AM

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unless unity has some way to interface with it using other languages, which i don’t think it does

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:05 AM

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I think unity has sort of it's own language

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But I don't know much about it

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There's a tutorial tobbert recommend to me but it's like 12h long 😅

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:07 AM

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radiant heart Tought of something for the hardrun, is it "cheating" to keep the kart a bit aft...

No you can no problem

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 2:07 AM

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iirc unity’s c# works a bit different from c# in other stuff but it’s mostly the same language

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:07 AM

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Alternatively I can make a building for extras builders quickly

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 2:07 AM

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i think unity might transpile to c++ but i’m not sure

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 2:08 AM

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Well I can help for anything that is not coding 😅

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 2:08 AM

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shell fiber Alternatively I can make a building for extras builders quickly

could sure use it , planting that dynamite with only 4 workers takes forever

lofty oxide Mar 23, 2023, 2:09 AM

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maybe tonight i’ll get started on it after trying again at compiling ngspice (for an unrelated project)

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 3:12 AM

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dear god making those doublelogdes properly watertight and stackable is an absolute shitmess

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there's just no good solution.

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if i want both watertightness and stackability they need to be 2x2x2 cubes

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or i can limit stackability to non-watertight stuff

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do those lodges have any real puropose anyway ?

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as compared to a normal 1 tall 2x2 house

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it makes sense for a building such as the sawmill to be bigger

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but a hauler's logde... ?

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 4:15 AM

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added a builder's lodge, which retook the mallet icon, now the handicrafter has the cissor and thread icon

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i think i'm just doing to ditch the double lodges entirely, instead i will make larger version of each of those that cost a lot more ressources, but offer additionnal wellbeing for being larger (and consequentially are more efficient dams in terms of population creep)

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(assume hauler / exporter lodges will also be treated the same)

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gotta go !

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 5:05 AM

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Oh I should flip the copist with the handicrafter, so that we have one left and one right door both for those who are likely singleton (artist & copist) and those people may want to build multiple of (handicrafter and builder)

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 11:59 AM

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shell fiber but a hauler's logde... ?

well, kinda like all other buildings, there is the "living part" and the "workpart" hauler can be smaller since they don't have a real "workspace" in theyr own building but the distribution center needs a storage room at minimum

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 1:04 PM

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radiant heart well, kinda like all other buildings, there is the "living part" and the "workpa...

Yeah I agree on that, that's why I originally chose the double lodges for that

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 1:05 PM

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not a big deal if it's not watertight in the front, i mean my fancy placement was more of a test then something i wanted to do for real anyway

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 1:08 PM

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Well I actually want people to make a big dam out of houses so proper stackability is important

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 1:10 PM

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in order to do that would need "working buildings" to have less pop space, i mean pop grows so much how it's set up right now there is no real need for a monster amount of houses

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 1:17 PM

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Yeah that was the point of the town Square mod but I didn't make a lot of progress on this one

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 1:19 PM

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even there, i'm almost at 300 beavers again and some useless eaters, i'm far from need housing, actually thinking about crashing some hauler's houses to cut out on pop a bit

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 1:23 PM

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Sometimes I think you're the odd one here 😅

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 1:26 PM

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story of my life!

static glacier Mar 23, 2023, 1:56 PM

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i must admit that i just need a few houses too, building pop aint the biggest problem but keeping the water contained XD

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 4:48 PM

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is the large kitchen supposed to be watertight?

shell fiber Mar 23, 2023, 5:00 PM

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hmm... strangely enough, it's not

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but i need to rework it

radiant heart Mar 23, 2023, 5:02 PM

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found the hole then! lol

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 6:52 AM

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I'll try to make an update soon

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:03 PM

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update sent !

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:04 PM

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How bad is it gonna wrekc my save ? 😆

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Handicraft also got his door swapped, any reason? (just curious)

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:11 PM

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radiant heart Handicraft also got his door swapped, any reason? (just curious)

balance, sort of

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:12 PM

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Gonna be an issue on that one 🤣

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:12 PM

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ahah, sorry　😅

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but i just took a decision regarding the watertightness of buildings !

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:12 PM

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2 out of my 3 got Fd up 😂

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:13 PM

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well yes, but if you intended to build builder's lodges, those have the door on the good side

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that's why i did this

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:13 PM

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RIP monument

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:14 PM

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you have two lodges you may want to build multiple of, and both of them had the door on the same side, which is not good in terms of choice

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sorry 😅

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i did write "don't get too attached to your saves in case i break them" 😅

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:15 PM

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i get it no probs, it's part of the game when playing on something getting modified that often

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:16 PM

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shell fiber but i just took a decision regarding the watertightness of buildings !

so the big change comming soon, is that i will make the door voxel of buildings watertight too (that will prevent messy water behaviors) which means buildings will only flood when covered by water

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:16 PM

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not of fan of the 2 distric center thing beeing not same price and one locked behind science tho, it's quite a mess just to swap it later on and redo all exchange routes

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:16 PM

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so i added a small vent on the roof

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:17 PM

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radiant heart not of fan of the 2 distric center thing beeing not same price and one locked be...

oh it's a mess because you're already far ahead

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in a new game you have ample time to unlock the four-way one before you need to build one no ?

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:17 PM

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even right of the bat, it forces the one door one and later requires a change

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:18 PM

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hmm...

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:18 PM

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shell fiber in a new game you have ample time to unlock the four-way one before you need to ...

how do you get the science and fastener before building the first one?

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:18 PM

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oh right

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hmm

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:18 PM

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"as it alwasy should have been" remember ;P

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:18 PM

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that was also to avoid the issue @heavy lodge had

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but to be fair i think it was quite a corner case

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well yes, but i think it didn't hurt to have both

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:19 PM

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i had an issue to but it was since my other was on pause and game couldn't change it to a 4way while pause,

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:20 PM

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hm...

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:20 PM

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i don't mind having both but both should be available at the same time and for the same price IMO

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:20 PM

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that could be an option

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but the 4 way one is stricly superior

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:20 PM

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or , not sure how complicated it would be but make the 4way and "upgrade" on the one door one, kinda like the damns upgrade

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:20 PM

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less population creep

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oh, let me think

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actually easy maybe

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:21 PM

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what I'm trying to avoid is to have to delete a district center to rebuild a 4 way since it's tidious to delete and rebuild one

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:21 PM

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yeah that's a good point

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i need to make some tests

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yeah i can definitely go for the 4-way one being an upgrade of the normal one

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:28 PM

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dang, one builder for 3 pop 🤣 that's hars

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did you make any change to the giant tanks? need to unlock them again🤔

Other then that didn't lose anything and nothing else is messed up! Honestly was expecting worst with the warning on the update 😅

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 3:35 PM

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i think they had no science cost, no ?

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 3:36 PM

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can't remember but i think you're right

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well, you just killed 2 beavers with that update, hope theyr ghosts don't haunt you forever 👻

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 4:48 PM

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ahah, sorry again

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 4:48 PM

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don't be you brought back this game to life for me 😉

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 4:48 PM

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i have a problem i can't fix fast enough for the district center upgrade

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 4:49 PM

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no rush, i'm quite far on that run it's not an issue anyway

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 4:49 PM

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so i'll just make the 4 way one default, and fuck it

radiant heart Mar 24, 2023, 4:49 PM

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lol

shell fiber Mar 24, 2023, 4:49 PM

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no i think it's not solvable

#Water Beaver Overhaul