Choo! Choo!

[royal arch]

it just materialized back onto the tracks after clicking something in a warehouse

[inner mirage]

I've only connected the waiting station so far but my train also did that

[quick thistle]

Ohyea, thats flipped roght

I forgot to fix that

[inner mirage]

gonna rebuild it the other way for now

[quick thistle]

Oh, the train should be able to find its way just fine

Not like that though 😦

As long as its on the tracks

[inner mirage]

can I force it to go to the waiting station somehow?

[quick thistle]

It should go there if it can. Based on the image i dont see why it cannot?

[inner mirage]

in dev mode it doesn't say anything in the behavior section - is that relevant?

[quick thistle]

I didnt add debugging tools

[tall bridge]

in dev mode you can just remove the train and spawn a new one 😛

[inner mirage]

I did - the train still doesn't move

[tall bridge]

does it have any work to do? (do think it only moves to waiting station if it has worked)

[inner mirage]

here's the save - the train is in the district near the badwater source

mods installed are Choo Choo and the floodgate automation one

there's definitely goods in goods stations it should have access to that need to be moved

[inner mirage]

do train signals make the entire section one-way or just the tile with the signal on it

it looks like the train wants to go backwards and my layout prevents it from doing that

or to rephrase that to be less nonsensical: the train only wants to come out of the front of the depot but it's facing backwards when it spawns

[past thicket]

Hmm... my trains suddenly stopped delivering. Sender station has the goods, receiver station needs the goods, the track is clear, they are just sitting around doing nothing. I haven't changed a thing in the tracks

[tall bridge]

restarted the game? (save and quit and continue)

[past thicket]

Not so far. I took the opportunity to take a break, but I can try if it works

Now I have, still doesn't work

[tall bridge]

show images or send save and i can look at it

[past thicket]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ovMqIbpxsscJPQm6LPUmP0YImL6c64mu/view?usp=drive_link

mod list is choo choo, vertical power shafts, simple floodgate triggers, with dependencies

[tall bridge]

removed all diviners in this pink segment and they start moving

[past thicket]

Strange. They moved fine before. Thank you

[tall bridge]

hmm its not stable fix i also deployed one more train

[woven crescent]

i wonder if its the bug i was dealing with in u4 where you had to jiggle the numbers in the goods station to get it to remember

[inner mirage]

I feel like Timberborn maps are ever so slightly too small for trains to fit comfortably in them (although I am playing on Waterfalls which has a quarter of the max map size)

I guess I should just stop using 2x2 turns

[woven crescent]

there are bigger maps where trains are basically necessary

[inner mirage]

it's less of that and more that I'm using up too much space and still don't have space for signals

but now that I think about it harder, a 2x2 turn is the same size as a house and a 3x3 x-junction is the same size as an entire factory that produces robots. beavers are huge relative to their buildings compared to real life humans and buildings.

[inner mirage]

hmm, how am I supposed to design a station that can fit multiple trains but not every train that has access to the tracks? my factorio knowledge isn't working here

oh I need some passing spots don't I

do trains take up space on the track? for example, if I have two signals with one straight track between them, can a train block both signals? if so, it'd be nice to have a train-length from each signal marked somehow

[woven crescent]

1x1 turns are fine if you absolutely need the space imo

it's very nice for aesthetics to have wide turns tho

lol

I think for this U5 playthrough of Terrace Valley I'm going to realize that my first train station is just going to be a branch of my system and that I shouldn't try to cram a train depot in there lol

[inner mirage]

ah it looks like 2x1 bridge is broken

figured out why my waiting stations weren't working - they need an extra tile of clearance in order to want to go in

[inner mirage]

https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/TimberbornMods/issues/11 hope my explanation makes sense

[inner mirage]

also going to link this one here for anyone who wants to read it https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/TimberbornMods/issues/12

[inner mirage]

is making the goods appear in the wagons something that's planned?

even if it's just one crate showing up in the center it'd make it easier to know what a train is carrying

[quick thistle]

I just read them both and it does seems like a very nice solution. There still some more major problems that are in my code, but when I work on it, I think your suggestions will make it easier for the user to use the trains.

[eternal hollow]

Minor request:

Top down if you cant see the flag its hard to know which direction is allowed, would it be possible for one of those endpoint circles to be an Arrow

Like this

[quick thistle]

could you post this image on the github

add it as an issue, then i will add feature and will look at it, i like the idea

[eternal hollow]

https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/TimberbornMods/issues/13

done

An arrow in the middle would also work, but i figured tweaking the current routing line would leverage already exisiting visual elements

but i dont know what your custom code is like 😉

[quick thistle]

Thanks absoletly love it

Thanks everyone. Im going through rough times in the family and these suggestions and comments make me very happy!

[eternal hollow]

Beavers on Trains make me very Happy, so im glad you get the warm fuzzies from people enjoying your work 🙂

[inner mirage]

has anyone made a track network that has more trains than will fit at a single station successfully?

[strange blade]

https://youtu.be/P5hqwq_9HzA It is enough ?

[inner mirage]

do I just need to not make track loops for stations

[strange blade]

YA, but with separate in and out ways (double track will serve for this with one way track separator)

[inner mirage]

hmm, I might need a bigger map to fit the double track and also enough crops

[inner mirage]

actually I might just coax all but one of the trains into waiting stations and delete the connecting track until Tobbert has a chance to look at my suggestions

[eternal hollow]

I've got a pretty big network, multiple stops, some in the same region. Some are full double track, others have single track sections

I'll share some screen shots later but it really comes down to finding some good workable station patterns.

Some ideas.

If you have a single track, the 1 in 2 out splitter is great at each end.
Put the splitter, then signal tracks on the 2 out side, one each way.

If the single track is long, then in the middle you can split and rejoin with about 6 single tracks and splitters to create passing spots.

Never put signal tracks on tracks that's two way.

Make sure ever station and waiting station is bypassable, and don't have the same track segment on both sides of stations and waiting stations

A giant single track loop with split offs for each station can also work well, and then you can use section dividers on that loop, basically a ring bus

@strange blade would be nice to have a wiki type thing to post workable paradigms

Because it's actually easy once you get a couple structures that work well

[eternal hollow]

@inner mirage Heres some paradigms i use

1. When using double Track, A H Bridge is useful to allow trains to loop back before or after busy areas
2. Bypass, 3. Waiting Station, 4 Goods station, making sure traffic flows in one direction through these areas
   5/8 are long distace single tracks. To improve flow you can put a bypass
   6/7 Bypass: Keypoint is making sure theyre long enough to hold a full train. Trains can be on 5 and 8 at the same time, then the first gets to 6 or 7 and waits for the other to clear the line

Looking at yours

A: That bit of track is too small for the NW bound train to get onto, so its still consuming the track the SE train wants to get on

B: A Signal here would mean the NW train is not consuming the green network

C: Even better, have two Ts off the green line here, and immediately signal them to create a one way loop through the station

The above would allow at least 2 trains,

And this last one, by having that grey bypass, the main line can also be divided so you dont have that one green bottle neck

The wait station is optional

[inner mirage]

the problem I have is that if I signal at the bottom of the blue in this diagram, a third train comes along and blocks the entire green track waiting for the red train to leave which is blocked by the third train

so I'm thinking there just needs to be enough space for every train to be queueing at a station with the current train signaling logic

wait stations are just "I'm going to park here because I don't have a goods station to go to right now", right? the position only matters for when they're pathing over

[eternal hollow]

correct

the grey line in the set above is more like a "live" waiting track

the blue line on the input could also be signalled to create a waiting point before the station

but with lots of trains and single track, the absolute easiest is create a one way ring nd dont have more trains than e=ring segements

This can handle 3 trains easily

This one handles 5 easily

basically, trains can go round the loop unimpeeded, theres always a free track ahead, and always a wait station nearby to park excess trains,

but make sure you have Train - 1 wait stations

so

This works even Better, trains come off into the good station, then after can go direct to a wait station if not needed
the extra bypass allows trains to get direct to the WS if needed

dont need all the wait stations at all the points, there could just be a wait station loop somewhere else

when doing double track, its essentially just the above loop but with the send and recive tracks next to each other

or on top of each other

i often dig a trench for the return line

Also on the 1x vs 2x tracks, The biggest thing for me is that fact the 2x cant easily be built over making path routing a challenge

[inner mirage]

I'm gonna stick with one train and 3 stranded trains on disconnected waiting stations for now; the amount of goods I'm moving isn't super high and if station train limits and partial segment blocking are implemented I can let those three trains free without any significant changes to my design

[eternal hollow]

you mean you dont want to shoe horn interchanges like this into your map 😛

Or a two track loop into a single track tucked through industrial

[inner mirage]

maybe my iron teeth will do that

[winged reef]

uhhh folks any idea why my train isnt moving? i assume it should move to the waiting station? (this is only one district, if that affects anything)

[inner mirage]

trains only want to exit the depot in one direction and it's not the direction the train spawns facing for some orientations of the depot

[woven rover]

Hey all, any idea why my beavers won't take items from the goods station to storage? There is plenty of room in my warehouses and I have two full hauling posts that are'nt busy.

[inner mirage]

the warehouses have to be in Obtain mode; otherwise they're at the same priority as the goods station

[eternal hollow]

Yeah flip these two and see what happens.

[craggy moat]

Wasn't that mod WB friendly at some point? clearly would be better then the district exachange system...

plz?😇

[quick thistle]

i created the issue, but havent been able to start working on it yet: https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/TimberbornMods/issues/5

[craggy moat]

kk, was all excited when i saw JC having it on, tought i could get it... don't stress about it, they gonna keep hauling 😉

Gon a bit over the top and was an easy way out to reduce paths and pop to regain a few fps

[winged reef]

[dense rapids]

Is it possible to reduce the speed of the trains but give them more capacity? I can't find a config.

[craggy moat]

even with more capacity, unless you are hauling only one material it's better to have just more trains and more rails i think

[dense rapids]

They are quite sufficent for my needs, but on gamespeed 1 its like they are fast-as-fuck-boiii and on 3, which is my usual speed its like they are teleporting 😄

[quick thistle]

they are 3 times speed of beavers yea xD

[craggy moat]

that is still 50% faster then a beaver at 92 wellbeeing, quite nice boost and they don't need all the same care !

[craggy moat]

btw, do they work underwater?

[quick thistle]

Yup, where there is track, they can go

[strange blade]

But, will also be some smoke underwater 🤣

[quick thistle]

I pushed an update that shouldnt change anything other than simplifying the code

thererfore updating shouldnt impact, except making it easier for me in the future

[narrow oasis]

Installing the update with the update available button in mod manager didn't install the tobby tools. Had to do this manually.

[normal sierra]

Hello, my train stays in the train factory all the time and doesn't leave. I installed a reversal option for each station and set the correct distribution for all stations.

[lunar pasture]

I had the same issue and it was because I used the flipped version of the building (I think)

[rain raptor]

Hi, I am having an issue where my trains are just riding back and forth without transporting anything. The first one I built was working fine for a while, but than started to only transport one or two pieces at a time and now doesn't even do that. I tried to build a second train to see what it would do, but it did exactly the same. After a few more days they aren't transporting anything anymore, just riding back and forth. I don't have any other mods installed. What can I do to fix this?

[hybrid gale]

how do i danload this mod?❓

[tall bridge]

same as any mod with modmanager see 📌 in #🚀mod-users

[royal trellis]

Hellow people, im having the same issue, its only transporting 2 or 4 logs, it really anoying

[royal trellis]

For some reason in late game train basicaly refuse yo work

[loud laurel]

I'm having a similar issue.

Also, i'd love to see improved logic around trains blocking each-other. If you have a load of trains, trains entering a loop will block trains exiting it. Meaning if i want, say, 8 trains, i have to mak esure there are at least 9 train segments on each loop... which is unmanageable on larger networks. Or if you add more trains to counter the fact that each one only takes 2-3 of a resource each trip.

[unkempt copper]

that's just kinda how all trains work though. trains need at least one free block so one train can move to it and free its block for another train to move into. that said, if your network only has n+1 blocks, things are gonna move very slowly X3

[loud laurel]

Yes, but trains shouldn't enter a junction unless they can clear it as well.#

at the moment they do, and that causes a complete blockage

[unkempt copper]

can you make the block on the other side of the junction longer so it'll fit a whole train? if not, can you merge it with the block after that so a train won't enter that whole block unless it's clear?

[odd mirage]

Good morning,
It's been a while since I last played and I'm playing again with this mod 🙂
I have set up two stations and when my train delivers the second station it does not leave unless I change the directional direction or delete a track from my loop.. any idea of ​​the problem?

[loud laurel]

The train literally stops on the junction, not the block after the junction.

[unkempt copper]

pictures are worth 1k words each

[loud laurel]

I will if it happens again

[hoary hamlet]

A train is idling even though it can import stuff from other station. Is that intended behaviour?

[quick thistle]

everything is full, no?

[hoary hamlet]

As you can see on the first screenshot there is a lot of space availible in the destination station

though the problem seems to be resolved after adding a waiting station for some reason

[quick thistle]

the pathfinding is so bad

sigh

sorry about that

[hoary hamlet]

it's all good

[woven crescent]

could it be the return of the bug where you have to twiddle the numbers in the goods station to make it remember to do stuff?

[hoary hamlet]

nah it didn't work

[outer loom]

My train just stands at goods station and eats resources, they seem to disappear as soon as hauled in, what I'm doing wrong? 🤣

Hm. it worked with waiting station, but initial state was a bug, right?

[quick thistle]

I never test without waiting station, so that makes sense. When updating to u6 will try to fix some bugs aswell

[outer loom]

Is train distribution has any relation to district distribution?

We are trying to fix out systems they kind of work but weird sometimes. One thing trains seem to underload when good and space available

[quick thistle]

the filling system is also really bad

is related to maths, which im bad at

atleast regarding this particular case

[next breach]

I just downloaded this mod and I played with it a bit. I saw there are passenger wagons but i cant figure out to fill them up with beavers. Can anyone help?

[strange blade]

Was passenger station in the past but now are disabled since is not working as it should be. Maybe after U6 Tobbert will find a way. But now, passenger wagons carriage offers only aesthetics

[outer loom]

Interestingly I had talk with player using the mod with passenger trains and it works perfectly in his case, but not goods transport

[quick thistle]

it works, to be clear, but edge cases as, what happens when a train that has beavers gets stuck?

how should beavers react to that, other than the player having to delete the train to free the beavers

also, currently, wellbeing goes down during transport

not sure if that is nice, as the game doesnt take transport into account and purely based on feeling i feel like it should pause

furthermore, train pathfinding is not good enough to properly say it fine

and a lot of people had issues, so i decided to just add it do dev mode

[patent vault]

What is the throughput on this thing? Like is it enough to send badwater fast enough for 8 Extractors without needing many haulers? And if it is, can I add water and food in?

[patent vault]

Because I like building mega structures and my hope is to be able to set up a farming and a pumping district and send it all to my building district, for like 500-600 beavers all told.

[tribal mountain]

you should experiment with it, becuase it highly depends on how efficient your tracks are, and how much stuff you allow to be stored in your stations

I have a double track train line running from my industrial area to my mine, and also one to my corn farms, that goes past my beaver's apartements. this is enough with 6 trains to keep ~300 beavers alive on mainly corn rations, while also transporting gears, planks, water and food to my mining district

[soft imp]

Do anyone know how to make my train drive?
It's job is to bring bad water from one station to another.
The station sending is set to "allow send 200".
The station recieving is set to "allow recieving 200".
Both stations are in the same district.
The barrel in the recieving end is set to "obtain" as mentioned in the mod description.
The barrel in the sending end is set to distribute.
My haulers do NOT bring 1 single bad water to the station, they prefer to run all the way back to my city storage at the recieving station with it.
Here is how my station at the sending end looks like.

[patent vault]

Think they need to be in separate districts.

[soft imp]

OK - Thank You - I will try see if that fix the problem.

[soft imp]

Thank you, it fixed the problem. My train is happily beavering around now.

[tribal mountain]

That shouldn't be the problem, my stations work perfect within one district...

[tribal mountain]

I'd suggest putting both stations on 'prioritize by haulers'

[soft imp]

As soon District 2 were established. the train started driving, so I assume it was it, but I don't know. Thanks for the advice regarding haulers. But it is VERY little I driver back and forth with - bad water one direction and food the other. Nothing big.

[tribal mountain]

👍👍

[patent vault]

With the new unlimited district wish you could move beavers by train.

[quick thistle]

lets not tell him

[patent vault]

That you can?

All I’m seeing is between districts I meant long distance within a district.

[tall bridge]

well its hidden becasue its so bugged 😦

[patent vault]

Oh

And it’s actually her or them.

[quick thistle]

Oh, sorry, always thinking its a dude on the other side 😦

It exists, but is very buggy

[patent vault]

Gotcha

[soft imp]

The choo choo creator is a woman or it's maybe even a group project?

[patent vault]

No, I believe Tobbert is the creator.

He was saying not to tell me

[quick thistle]

OwO

im the creator yes 🙂

[soft imp]

I would then like to thank you for the train .... made the life of my beavers a lot less stressful

[patent vault]

No possibility to have variable wagons per train? I’m using 3 atm to move grease and extract.

[patent vault]

Why can’t I get my planks to push through my trains? I have them qued appropriately.

And have 24k in my “sending” district

[tall bridge]

is there a valid path for the train?

to bad you cant give trains lines to tell go between these 2 stations that way it would be easier to tell player what it wrong why cant it do it
or a button to validate path and then select the next station to check to
and if no valid paths is found show how far it came by color or such (light up green outwards from that station)

or just show green if it can go there from the start station

meaning you select one station press button rail lights up until it hits a reverse signal or end
that way you can see if it can get to the wanted station

also have that button for waiting station and depot

[patent vault]

They aren’t delivering them to the stations, they’ll do other things, but not planks.

I have the station prioritized, I even tried selecting empty on the plank piles.

[patent vault]

Something got messed up when I changed sending from on to off and back on again. Had to tear down my goods station and rebuild it on both ends.

[patent vault]

Can you place more then 1 receiving goods station on a line?

[quick thistle]

Dont exactly know what you mean, but probably yea

[patent vault]

I have a sending station at my base. Had one receiving 300 blocks out. Tried to put another receiving on the same line 400 out when I moved my building base again. The train wouldn’t go past the 300 station to the 400 station until I deleted the 300 station.

[patent vault]

Is this going to be updated to the new Update?

[quick thistle]

Im extremely busy with school, but it is the plan to update, the question being able to find time to do it xD

[quick thistle]

.<

im scared

[leaden lichen]

Oh no. so many errors D:

[quick thistle]

and some are very big 😦

gonna take a while

[quick thistle]

Yesterday i got to fixing all red error and removed eveything, so unity could compile. It comes down to only needing to uodate the ui and i can get in game probably

[plain summit]

will the Mod be available via Steam Workshop?

[quick thistle]

when its updated, it will, yes

[woven crescent]

can't wait for choo choo to come back

this map would be perfect for it https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3292255580&searchtext=

[quick thistle]

Tonight I will most likely continue working on Choo Choo

possibly as far as to getting ingaame

without compile errors

So then the debugging begins 🤞

[strange blade]

Can't wait to debug 😍 🤣

[quick thistle]

Debugging

The thing is, about half a year ago, i have rewritten significant portions of code

never tested those

.<

Wonder how much of that is gonna be a pain

[tall bridge]

50%?

[quick thistle]

100% of the code was cleaned up

[tall bridge]

not 110% 😉

[quick thistle]

or close to atleast, removed code, refactored, everything

But also rewritten small stuff i though would be fine, but i havent test, so might be fine, might not

[tall bridge]

gl 🙂

[quick thistle]

TYTY 🙂

[calm condor]

Just a question, is it possible to build multiple lane for single station 🤔

[quick thistle]

im able to get ingame

ingame, sounds wierd, into loading screen

crashes a lot

and ive already identified major systems needing a rewrite

[woven crescent]

oof

good luck tobbert

[quick thistle]

Thanks

[tall bridge]

got the toolgroup to work?

[woeful granite]

we believe in you Tobbert. but real life comes first. dont stress too much over beavers

[quick thistle]

No 😦

[tall bridge]

Try put ladder or other item in it and see if it show up?

[quick thistle]

I thought i tried and worked, so not sure what is going wrong

[tall bridge]

hmm something with your unlock component?

[quick thistle]

No, it just doesnt appear

At all 😦

[tall bridge]

try place a train building in a normal toolgroup?

[quick thistle]

@tall bridge you know what im doing wrong?json { "Id": "TobbertTrains", "Order": 1500, "Icon": "Tobbert/Icons/ToolGroupIcon", "NameLocKey": "Tobbert.ToolGroup.Trains", "FallbackGroup": false }``````json { "Id": "TobbertTrains", "Paths#append": [ "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackOneWay.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackCrossing.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackHill1x2.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackCorner1x1.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackCorner2x2.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackTIntersection1x1.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackTIntersection2x3.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackXIntersection1x1.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackXIntersection3x3.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Tracks/TrackRIntersection2x3.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Buildings/TrainYard.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Buildings/WaitingStation.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Buildings/GoodsStation.IronTeeth", "Tobbert/Prefabs/Buildings/PassengerStation.IronTeeth" ] }

[tall bridge]

how does your look like DD_BW_LeveeSQ is TobbertTrains?
ID should be IronTeeth = faction to add to

[quick thistle]

oh what

[quick thistle]

yes

[tall bridge]

then i think its the prefabcollection that do not have ID IronTeeth
so its not added the buildings to ironteeth

[quick thistle]

This doesnt have that: #🤖mod-creators message

[tall bridge]

meaning the toolgroup is empty

example Damdecoration

[quick thistle]

Oke, thats just stupid

at that point, just add a property of Faction

nope, doesnt work

[tall bridge]

join voice call? have 30min before i have to go

[quick thistle]

ingame! Thanks Knatte!!!

[woven crescent]

hella

[quick thistle]

All buidlongs crash though

For several reasons

[woven crescent]

lol

you still got it to the "showing up" phase

[calm condor]

Is multiple platform possible without making multiple stations 🤔

[tall bridge]

not what i know

[quick thistle]

multiple platforms?

[quick thistle]

oh

[tall bridge]

meaning one beaver entry can load multiple trains

[calm condor]

I think its called lane in american i think

Simply, at a time multiple train can use it to load and unload items without need for waiting

Something like this

Maybe a small sub building called platform or sub station which can be connected to main station so multiple train can use it at a time 🤔

[tall bridge]

or 2 train stations? one singel slot and one dual slot? but first get it to work better i would say is first thing to do

[calm condor]

My idea is instead of building separate lanes, maybe staions have inbuild lanes? So we can have 1 lane, 2 lane or 4 lane stations etc...

We just connect each lane to. Active. Rails so train can access the lanes

[tall bridge]

but what is most easy and less risk of breaking

[strange blade]

Considering how long (in fact, short), takes for loading or unloading, I don't see the point 🤔

[calm condor]

We can build a big central station and connect each lane to different districts 😁

Also each train can only carry one material at a time. So if we have multiple lanes in a station we can build a station near each district for specific purpose

[quick thistle]

Loading is instant currently and im also not thinking of adding load times

[strange blade]

Best is to let Tobbert to make trains working in U6 ! Any improvements and suggestiions, after.

[quick thistle]

Nono, suggestion right now are really good

[calm condor]

Thats important 👍

[quick thistle]

maybe i can incorperate them while having to rewrite anyways

[tall bridge]

then if they will be implemented right away thats the question but a system that support it is easier to do when rewriting stuff 😉

[calm condor]

Do your best 🥰

[woven crescent]

oh yeah knatte how is rail extension going

haven't heard about that in a while

[tall bridge]

well its paused until u6 is fixed

[woven crescent]

ah i see

true lol

was just wondering if you still had u5 stuff going on since i last played

[tall bridge]

no development on U5 nowdays its 2 different setups and im not going backwards and i do liek the u6 and playing it 😉

[woven crescent]

lol

valid

[silver egret]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-tank-engine-shocked-surprised-woah-what-gif-2982173991495381717

[craggy moat]

https://tenor.com/view/train-ride-michael-downie-downielive-riding-train-all-aboard-gif-6845624057325235527

[half wharf]

When might development resume on this mod? I remember having some good fun with it a while ago

[quick thistle]

I really do not enjoy working on mods sadly, so update is unsure.

[woven crescent]

Well, if you end up calling it quits, would you be willing to release any source files?

Surely someone here is so plugged into Choo! Choo! that they would continue developing it :9

[quick thistle]

Update 5 build is live on github

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[half wharf]

Ah ok. Did you just get tired of mod work at some point?

[quick thistle]

I dont really know really, everytime i open unity, im like... sigh and then close unity

i think of all the things i need to update

i just dont find it exciting anymore

[silver egret]

https://tenor.com/view/despair-suffer-suffering-sad-sad-quotes-gif-14270258133567956444

[woven crescent]

Yeah that's the unity experience

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-11928667053720670991

[regal matrix]

@quick thistle Just wanted to say thanks for all the work you put into the mod and how much fun I had playing with it. Definitely understand wanting to move on, especially from an unpaid passion project that just isn't hitting the same as it used to. You're a legend in my book, always! 🚂

[devout talon]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gRJG1u2lxZM

i think this fits

[royal trellis]

@quick thistle thanks for making this mod, i really liked it and with it i made huge infrastructure with huge beaver colonys, wasnt really posible without the mod, i hope somone else can cotinue this mod but in the mean time no push your self to do something you dont enjoy

[quick thistle]

I have been working on slowly updating the buildings, but I do not think i will make the launch date in time. Maybe if i hadent planned anything this weekend

[silver egret]

But you planning to work on trains . Just not modded trains

[woeful granite]

JC will probably kiss you if choo choo is a go go

[cunning jolt]

@quick thistle Can’t wait for it keep up the good work 🙂

[regal matrix]

Whoa now, let's not get too forward here 🤣🤣

But that would be a very pleasant surprise

[quick thistle]

Tonight i will hope to get all buildings updated so they work with the new changes

Then whats left is updating all paths of all assets

then a lot of the code will probably just work, as fundementally, the base game didnt change much that is related to trains

just based on my other mods, as those didnt require a lot of rewriting because of minimal changes

biggest change being 3d water, but that doesnt impact me at all

[quick thistle]

To be clear, i would also insanly love it if this mod is updated

is basicly my child

xd

"code child"

[woeful granite]

Ok, I'll kiss you.. for him 😽

[quick thistle]

Good news: Choo Choo is updated and works as it did before

besides updating everything to how it now should work, i didnt change the underlying systems.

[silver egret]

Whaaaa

[ashen notch]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-running-lets-do-this-excited-gif-1123735877982497761

[quick thistle]

I have it unlisted for now, i have tested it fairly well, but i know im stupid and probably didnt think of obvious things

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3346279334

[ashen notch]

i was just looking for it on steam lol

[quick thistle]

If you wanna use, be careufull for now

[ashen notch]

i always test first anyway

[quick thistle]

Maybe, if you dont mind testing

[ashen notch]

sure

[quick thistle]

Aaah, that would be epic

[ashen notch]

i usually test new mods on a separate save with dev mode like i have been doing with the pipes

[quick thistle]

Man that sounds so nice, if you find anything, let me know

I have plans tonight just after release, so I hope you wont find it or things you find are easy to resolve

[ashen notch]

well it took me a while to work out how to use it best on U5 due to the way the storage works on the platforms and how you have to use obtain to get stuff off it - plus i think a lot of people using it struggle with stalled trains not realising how to fix them with proper track segments

[quick thistle]

Yea, this mod has tons of issues

[ashen notch]

but i should be able to test it pretty well

are you making it live again? i can't see it

[quick thistle]

oh what?

[ashen notch]

i haven't downloaded it yet - steam link is dead

[quick thistle]

You are part of the group?

[ashen notch]

oh its back

[quick thistle]

Experimtenal group?

oh nice

[ashen notch]

ok got it. i'm going in!

[ashen notch]

yeah, getting a timberapi crash - was getting some timbercommons crashes but i fixed those

[quick thistle]

oh, could be related to choo choo?

mind sharing the crash?

[ashen notch]

yeah 1 sec

TypeLoadException: Could not resolve type with token 01000141 from typeref (expected class 'TimberApi.UIPresets.Buttons.ButtonGame1' in assembly 'TimberApi.UIPresets, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null') at TimberApi.UIBuilderSystem.ElementBuilders.BaseElementBuilder2[TBuilder,TElement].AddComponent[TComponentBuilder] (System.Func2[T,TResult] builder) [0x0000d] in <ee04c06839d048d7a8e78dc4318fd91c>:0 at ChooChoo.TrackSystemUI.TrackSectionDividerFragmentPreset1+<>c[TBuilder].<InitializeRoot>b__0_2 (TimberApi.UIBuilderSystem.ElementBuilders.VisualElementBuilder builder) [0x0001d] in <6f51a8d04ccf436a89e293725d4b883f>:0
at TimberApi.UIBuilderSystem.ElementBuilders.BaseElementBuilder2[TBuilder,TElement].AddComponent[TComponentBuilder] (System.Func2[T,TResult] builder) [0x0000d] in <ee04c06839d048d7a8e78dc4318fd91c>:0
at ChooChoo.TrackSystemUI.TrackSectionDividerFragmentPreset`1[TBuilder].InitializeRoot () [0x00053] in <6f51a8d04ccf436a89e293725d4b883f>:0

etc

[quick thistle]

Tapi was updated, make sure to verify game files to force update on steam

[ashen notch]

yeah i'm fully updated should be, will verify files again

[quick thistle]

oh

wtf

[ashen notch]

• TimberApi (v0.7.7.0) is what I have, is latest on steam

[quick thistle]

I havent updated in my modding enviroment

Updating now, maybe that is the problem

[ashen notch]

oh haha

[quick thistle]

But i should then have to crash aswell

[woeful granite]

This is the exciting news I needed

[quick thistle]

try disabling Unstuckify

[ashen notch]

lol i disables unstuckify but forgot to re-enable choo choo, 1 sec

[quick thistle]

No, this is a me issue

[ashen notch]

no, still crash with unstuckify disabled

same timberapi error

[tall bridge]

@quick thistle
Seen that change of some button names?

[quick thistle]

Oke, no clue, but after a recompile, it now works

Gonna do a publish build now

take a few minutes

[ashen notch]

okay i'll refresh when u tell me

[quick thistle]

Yea, but wasnt the issue for some reason

[quick thistle]

live now

[ashen notch]

oke

okay game is loaded no crash

looks like it's all loaded correctly, menu etc all okay - will do some quick testing and report

did a quick test to move some scrap metal, working as expected!

will need to add more segments etc if i add more trains, but this is just experimenting for now

i remember an older version of the mod used to have a bigger goods station - any chance of that model coming back? just for variety

[quick thistle]

Yea, Im aware currently they look boring, though im not that creative

[ashen notch]

i love the beaver in the train tho, they live forever as well which is cool 😆

oh U6 is live, going to switch from experimental. and nice to see the workshop link without having to hunt for it

[quick thistle]

[ashen notch]

everything seems to be working with full U6 as well 🤘

[cunning jolt]

Will it work with Greedy Builders?

[woven crescent]

choo choo in u6 is the final dragon ball that i need to get back into the game

glad to see it seems to be working 😮

[gilded fern]

@quick thistle FYI the dividers seem to be missing a texture, they are see through now

[silver egret]

Now it's easier to see thru them 😉

[gilded fern]

laying tracks and everything is very smooth, but unfortunately creating a train and setting up the goods station seems to be heavy on the performance. game freezes multiple times trying to do these things

at least for me

[quick thistle]

Same

That is base game things which does some things

Really annoying, but hard for me to fix currently

[tall bridge]

Hmm try an other shader?

[quick thistle]

No, is meshy and sketchy stuff

[woeful granite]

i do the choo choo

[mental crescent]

@quick thistle issue found by @shadow drum . Change: PrefabGroupSpecification.TobertTrains.GreedyBuilders.optional to PrefabGroupSpecification.Buildings.GreedyBuilders.optional

[gloomy prairie]

my train seems to fly over parts where the rail and platform is yet to be build XD

[quick thistle]

Oooooooh

i see

yea they changed that

Oke, need to update that

[gloomy prairie]

idk if this is choo choo mod related but i was spectating the train with the little eye icon, and then clicked on my population stat in the top left and the game crashed. should i send the crash report?

[severe isle]

Thank you so much for updating this!

I noticed a small bug. I started a new IT save with the mod enabled and I noticed that beavers at water pumps will sit outside even when actively working. When I disable the mod and load the save again it's fixed, re enabling the mod reintroduces the bug.

[quick thistle]

Yea, people have made me aware several times, but i havent been able to figure out where this bug is

will look again i guess

[ashen notch]

They sit outside to see the train go by 😌

[tall bridge]

is it your patch for moving beavers with trains thats affecting other parts?

[wanton garden]

Is there a way to make two trains move simoultaneously? I have a big track and two trains yet only one of them moves at a time

[quick thistle]

create sections. The description describes how, lemme know if it is unclear, i will improve. Currently 1Am LD

[brave dust]

What a beautiful sight to see opening the workshop

Tobbert, I owe you a christmas present

[woeful granite]

Sadly I owe him a kiss 😘

[shadow drum]

https://tenor.com/view/1361-train-prr-locomovtive-choo-choo-gif-18135809424929145952

[chrome chasm]

Can the train get wet?

[quick thistle]

Nope, if there is valid track and can pathfind correctly, it will

[cunning jolt]

Thanks I just done it

[fickle basalt]

Love to see that ChooChoo is back on track again

Just tried it with a basic layout (two goods stations, one train, no track dividers) and ran into a weird issue... Haulers keep pouring in different goods (>400 each) into the station, they pop up for a split second on a car and then disappear completely from the game

Did anyone else see this behaviour?

[woeful granite]

havent seen this yet. i have a similar set up. 2 goods stations, single loop. my issue is that the train is working. but i add a second train and it faces backwards. so it wont go

[karmic flare]

seen similar issue mentioned in steam comments and possible solution:
"...this is caused by the pathfinding. Your layout is incorrect so the train thinks it can pathfind, while it cannot actually, resulting in loading the goods and then figuring out it cannot actually go to the other station. Solution is to make sure the train can pathfind correctly..."

[fickle basalt]

Ahh okay... So the solution should be using track dividers (properly), am I right?

[radiant geyser]

Hi everyone.

How do i perform this fix? Choo choo is not working with Greedy Builders.

[mental crescent]

Steam?

[radiant geyser]

Steam, yes.

Is an old version the one on the workshop?

[mental crescent]

You will find it in the Steam workshop, I don't know which number folder it is.

just search PrefabGroupSpecification.TobertTrains.GreedyBuilders.optional and rename it

sorry for the late response

[radiant geyser]

Eh, no worries!

Sorry but, what should I search on workshop? Because I have both mods downloaded, but I'm not sure where they are located.

I searched on "C:\Users\name\AppData\LocalLow\Mechanistry\Timberborn\Unity" and "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Timberborn" and couldn't find any mods there to modify

[radiant geyser]

Nvm, I found it.
For futures "me", the path for the file that need to be changed, in order to make Choo! choo! mod work with Greedy Builders, is located on "[...]\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\1062090\3346279334\Specifications\PrefabGroupSpecification" (Location of the trains mod).
Look for the file named "PrefabGroupSpecification.TobbertTrains.GreedyBuilders.optional.json" and rename it "PrefabGroupSpecification.Buildings.GreedyBuilders.optional.json" (I personally created a copy and renamed the copy. This also works).

[mental crescent]

Create a backup of it. Steam tends to scan its files and removes unverified files.

Might as well pin that folder to your quick access for easy navigation.

[gritty hemlock]

hey so

i cant see the train tab when playing with greedy builders

and not even oldgopherpipe

[shadow drum]

#1064952561687343235 message follow this post

for oldgpherpipe no clue

for choochoo it's a simple name change to fix it

[tribal mountain]

hey @quick thistle , I installed the mod and loaded a vanilla save. 1 train works, as long as I don't divide the track into sections. But as soon as I do divide the track, the pathfinding breaks, and a train will just sit at a waiting station or cargo station doing nothing.

or it will load cargo and then delete the cargo at the cargo station.

thanks in advance

[tall bridge]

Can you upload/drag/paste some images of your setup here could be a bad setup of sections that is doing it

[tribal mountain]

alr one moment

these are the stations

there are no other signals

i have the version of choochoo on modmanager if that helps

[tribal mountain]

uploaded them

uhhh

it seems to work again

I just reloaded

Oh no it is stuck again

[tall bridge]

hmm and it do have waiting stations to go to?

[tribal mountain]

yes

I think its the pathfinding getting stuck, because if I reload it works, untill I change the sections

Do you want my save?

[tall bridge]

I have no Access to pc atm to check sorry just checking from my phone

Try add a section divider before the waiting station. My thought is if it thinks the track is taken when it try to move🤔 but have not used choo choo alot

[tribal mountain]

Ill try that

[radiant geyser]

Check a few posts before. I explained how I fixed it.

[gritty hemlock]

ok

[spare harness]

haven't played Timberborn for quite some time, won't there be a passenger station anymore? I actually liked those

[leaden pelican]

running a heavily modded game and get an exception/crash when i try to build a train

to clarify i mean when i actually hit the build train button

[leaden pelican]

train passengers was the feature that drew me to the mod in the first place(watched some playthrogh or another showcasing it)

[zealous turret]

I have found that almost any time I make a change to the train line such as changing a straight section to a T or sometimes just changing a divided direction, the trains would freeze. And the only way to un-stick them, forcing a path re-calculation, is to make a save, exit completely out of the game, re-launch, and load that save. This did not happen in U5.

[quick thistle]

It was very buggy though

tons of dying beavers

[tribal mountain]

Yea that seems tk be the issue that I am having

[shadow drum]

miss it aswell, since it helped me with playing a single large district

[fickle basalt]

game crashed...
layout is very simple (two stations in two districts, single loop, one train, delivery works)
crash occured when trying to open the statistics panel

I have a bunch of other mods loaded, maybe one of those is part of the screwup as well...

[old whale]

can beavers enter in the train ?

[woeful granite]

no, beavers can not be passengers with this version

[old whale]

thks

[elfin meadow]

What I am discovering from the pathing issues is that the pathing system will choose a path. Then if the path is valid, it will take that path. If the path is not valid, the system won’t look for a valid path. It seems to just go 🤷🏼‍♂️ and sit there until the path it has decided on becomes valid.

In my case, I don’t need to reload the game to get the train working again, I just need to make the path that the train wants to use into a valid one.

[elfin meadow]

Here is a diagram if that helps.

[cunning jolt]

Can someone help me when I try a builded the train the game crashed straight away

[lime garnet]

Is there some basic guide on how to use the mod?
I have this simple train station A with a train (one train is already waiting in the waiting station) which sends metal based goods which has some in stock already.
Then I have Train station B which wants metal based goods, wood based goods and water
And finally Train station C which has woods and water and want metal.
Everything is connected, there is only 1 train on the whole network and nothing else. The entire network is green, which I assume mean its all connected. What else do I need for trains to run?

[lime garnet]

Well, apparently a random reload just fixed it.

[zealous turret]

Sure would be nice if the trains were a different color, something that stands out better against the tracks.

[brittle isle]

Does the mod work with the new upd?

[tall bridge]

yes its updated for update 6

[brittle isle]

ok very nice

[tall bridge]

Note: Rail extention is not yet updated, (tunnels)

[tall bridge]

@quick thistle Bug report:
When Choochoo is installed and this save is loaded
click to open the list for beavers the game crashes with this message
#🚀mod-users message
if choo choo is not installed there is no crash

• Tried with only Choo choo and its dep and the save still crash
• Do not think this is a critical error as it does not crash when you load a save.

is it some leftover from Passanger train system?

[fickle basalt]

That's exactly the issue I ran into, glad I'm not the only one

[tall bridge]

here is the log with only choo choo and a save

[old whale]

same here

[nova patio]

I have the same problem

[shadow drum]

Chooo Chooo! 🚄☁️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8vibuQYSs I hope i am allowed to post this if not i'll remove it again just let me notice, just wanna spread some train enthusiasm

[celest glen]

i can confirm this issue

[crimson vine]

Do the trains break down at some point or is the age there for no reason?

Also: the green and red don’t show up on the one-ways, and I believe the load of trains doesn’t either. This could also be a Linux-related issue, but I’m not sure. I’m on update 6, steam workshop version of the mod.

[rough prawn]

Heyy, my train is build now but it wont start do anything can anyone help me?

[elfin meadow]

I have noticed it is a bug with pathing. The Fix that I have found had been to not have any divisions in the railway. I believe some people have had success getting the rail lines divided how they want the reloading the game.

[sour coral]

what's the purpose of a train crossing?

I thought it's supposed to connect paths?

[sour coral]

also my trains stops doing anything once they go to a waiting station

[glad pawn]

side note, didn't know you could add platforms around it and all, That's really neat

the train looks better than before too nice

[tall bridge]

The roof for waiting station could use pillars from staircase mod to have less pillars 😉

There is 2 pillar version

[sour coral]

ah yeah forgot about that

[sour coral]

so how do I make them move again
they just do their job after getting out of the trainyard, run a few rounds carrying goods, and then after a while go to a waiting station and just stays there

[brittle isle]

Honestly this mod is pretty cool

Sad there aren’t any beaver transport trains

I know they were buggy but that’s like n1 reason I’d use this mod

Because running a map on only one colony is hwrd

[quick thistle]

Yesterday i was continueing on reworking the pathfinding (fixing all bugs) hope to continue today

[tall bridge]

Nice

Seen error when clicking on panel?
#1064952561687343235 message

Do you still patch things for the removed passenger system? (Could that be the reason for worker sitting outside?)

[quick thistle]

no, havent looked, but is probably realted to a change of the base game

i had a fix in place, but they changed something which nullifies that probably

[sour coral]

ah so this is a known bug
I also just had my game crash after clicking that

[sour coral]

and so is this a bug?

[quick thistle]

Sort of, in some isntances the mod bugs out for some reason, no idea why, for some people no issues

I know i suck at code and this mod sucks because of that

So based on all the stuff i have learned in the mean time, i wanna improve the code and hopefully fix the issue if it is in code

[sour coral]

alright cool man no need to feel that way
I just wanted to know if I did something wrong in using it

[quick thistle]

this was fixed right?

or stilll broken

[sour coral]

yeah I didnt know I could place a path block over it

[quick thistle]

reloading should fix this

if it breaks, that is because new tracks have been layed down

one way i KNOW that it will work is placing and building ALL tracks

then reloading

[sour coral]

multiple playing sessions spanning multiple days (and so PC restarts) and they still stay in those waiting stations

[quick thistle]

trains should work just fine

[quick thistle]

using 1 train?

[sour coral]

at first I build 1 when the whole track is not complete, so the train I just made just stays in the waiting station, but never move

[quick thistle]

i just see another one under the platforms

[sour coral]

so then I tried building another train out of curiosity, and it goes to work rightaway

bringing goods back and fro multiple times

[quick thistle]

so when you click on tracks you see colors, make sure there are different colors

[sour coral]

until it just goes to the other waiting station and never move again

[quick thistle]

1 train occupies a section, indicated by a color

[glossy oasis]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I'm having issues with getting trains to transport water. I can send screenshots later if requested, but the setup I have is this:
Water district - set to send water, receive food
Food district - set to send food, receive water

The water district has food storage set to obtain, the food district has water storage set to obtain. The trains are transporting food without any issues that I can see, and I know it transported water at least once, but I haven't been able to get it to transport water after the first time.

I have tried deleting/recreating trains, disconnecting/reconnecting districts. I have just the two goods depots and have a couple of waiting spots, but while trains will pick up goods from the food side, they won't pick anything up from the water side. I haven't tried deleting/recreating my good depots yet, that was going to be my next test, but I had to leave before I got to it.

Is there something obvious I might be missing in my setup? Again, I can send screenshots when I get back if that would help more than my description.

[formal drift]

getting myself in the thread so I can link it in the future so don't mind me 🙂

[glossy oasis]

Seems to be working now - I think restarting timberborn/reloading the map fixed it. I thought I'd tried that, but maybe not.

[karmic flare]

Halp trains work without problems. I think you forgot to put bugs in my copy give refund
Ok there are workers outside (looks like broken worker hider?) but trains are surprisingly stable
Patching third-party code at run time while other mods may or may not be doing something similar are not exactly favorable conditions for flawless results. The bugs are inevitable
So please go back to work and give more trains pls

[quick thistle]

I have probably fixed all pathfinding bugs

[quick thistle]

Updated on yesterday, so what I changed was that the Tracksystem now completely refreshes on TrackUpdate. Before Yesterday I wanted to be smartypatns and make a complex systm of updating a cache to reduce the amount of calculations. This works, if done by smart people, so it didnt for me. Some parts of the code then get incorrectly updated and some parts stay behind it. this results in mismatches. On load, the tracksystem is therefore 100% correct, but once you place some tracks the updates are incorrect resulting in trains not understanding the changes and getting stuck without notice

Updating the track system like this has a downside, 100% recacluation is heavy, I have therefore focused on improving the code of the track system itself

it does a lot of stuff double for readability sake, but I tried to improve performance while keeping readability to a high enough standard

This means the impact of a 100% recacluation on every change will be impactfull, but less impact and waaay more reliable

Furthermore, I already had build some usefull UI which didnt work because the pathfinding was updated incorrectly and because the TrackSystem is more reliable, those UI elements will also work

This results in better problem solving for the player

[sour coral]

my train works after the update

[quick thistle]

I havent updated yet, still in test phase >.<

[sour coral]

wha

so just from the restart then?

[quick thistle]

that it is working is as i described, it is fine, as long as you dont build tracks

[sour coral]

I see

[quick thistle]

once you change a straight track direction or make a section devider

[sour coral]

btw are trains supposed to turn around in a goods station?

[quick thistle]

it will probably not work and require a reload

[quick thistle]

yes and no

yes, as in, i created that behavior

but i created that behavior as it was easier to add that, then to do the rewrite i described before

that behavior is probably getting removed

[sour coral]

ah and I just realized the loop is not complete, thats probably why they are forced to turn around

so anyway, a single loop can only be used by a single train at a time?

[sour coral]

and is there a way to force imported goods to be taken out to other storages?

[tall bridge]

have more storage closer?

[quick thistle]

Set something to obtain

[sour coral]

ah that works

but its also actively getting the scrap metal from other storages

so it's going to get full quick

and stops the goods station from having the scrap metal from there taken it again

I guess set them all to obtain?

setting a storage to obtain can still have its content used for building and processing, right?

[quick thistle]

correct

but you bring up a good point

but i added the limit to allow for itself being a sstorage building

bc the problem the station is to far away or what?

[sour coral]

I think I just have abundant scrap metal in all the other storages so the ones in the station is never taken out

[quick thistle]

they will take from closest

or if something is set to supply

[sour coral]

so I guess problem was that I place the station at the very edge of the map

so it's always the furthest source

[quick thistle]

the storage is big enough to allow all goods, so its encouraged to place locally and use as main storage house

[quick thistle]

ooooh oooh, just thought of something

i way to reduce the times it would need todo a complete recalcuation

it only needs todo a recalculation when someone wants to pathfind

so what i can do is add a listener, then just set that it has changed and the next time someone wants to pathfind, then update everything

instead of doing it on all updates

if multiple updates happen before a pathfind, then those are ignored

thinking even further, at pathfind time, i know where the pathfind needs to start, then just update the tracks along that path

then unrelated tracks arent updated unless pathfound over

cannot wait until work is finished

also, if someone is reading this, i would love detailed suggetions how beaver transportation could work. Speficily edge cases like: train gets stuck when beavers are inside the train. What should happen?

[tall bridge]

nice thought and ya will lower the amount of recalculations without to much effect and if you do a section of rail without connecting a connector piece before the full rail is ready no calculations will be done before its ready to take in use

[quick thistle]

Yea, exactly, i think its a good middleground of recalculation but not 100% recaclulation

currently 100% is 8ms on small map

8ms on cpu, so directly impacts framrate and 8ms is big then as the map is still small

only around 40 track pieces

[silver egret]

Just a random tought, does the calculation even need to be on the main thread? Can't you move it to another thread?

[quick thistle]

You can, but threading is hard

[calm condor]

Just a question, is under ground rail possible?

[tall bridge]

U5 has tunnels that could be used underground and it will in time be updated to update 6

[quick thistle]

fixed the issue of clicking that button top left

[quick thistle]

Updates up till now:

• Fixed most pathfinding issues
• Fixed "Station unconnected" status
• Made some performance improvements to the pathfinding (Recalculation now run on seperate thread)
• Fixed not being able to select the wagon model
• You can now rename stations from both the badge (Top right) as the Batch Control (Window from the left)
• Fixed the name of the GB specification file
• Fixed the texture of the One Way Track

[quick thistle]

Fixes are now live on both steam and mod.io!

[woeful granite]

HELL YA!

[obtuse arrow]

We can rename the stations now? Woo!

[calm condor]

It could save space

[coral sparrow]

Hey buddy, cool mod
My trains are only taking 1 or 2 kg of items (The most I've seen is 4) in a wagon at a time instead of 50. Do you know what's going on? Why don't they just ship 50? There's 50 in the station. I have 2 screenshots. The station was full with 50 and the wagon has 4 and left 46 behind.

[quick thistle]

Now that pathfinding is mostly or completly fixed i can take a look at that, no real clue why that might be hapnneing

[formal drift]

for some reason choo choo is not showing up on my greedybuilders faction. is it under dev mode or something?

[tall bridge]

where did you get it from steam? if so verifyed gamefiles to force mods to update?

[formal drift]

mod manager

[tall bridge]

hmm

[formal drift]

I basically gave up on the workshop, besides uploading I don't bother with it anymore because it's easier to identify mod folders via mods folder

[tall bridge]

i have it using Choo choo 0.10.2 from steam will test mod manager next

[formal drift]

hmm, I have 10.1, was 10.2 not uploaded to mod.io then?

[tall bridge]

0.10.2 was updated yesterday evening:
#1064952561687343235 message

and it was then that GB support was fixed

[formal drift]

I don't usually do a daily check. guess I'll check now

[tall bridge]

🤯 and here its not working 😮

is that not the first thing to check

[formal drift]

well it was marked u6, of and there was even mention of GB support some time ago, of course I would think it was latest version when I downloaded it

[quick thistle]

I havent tested, but i just did what others said that would fix it

[tall bridge]

ya and mod manager version works as long as you install the latest version thats fixed

[quick thistle]

aaah, epic

[formal drift]

much better, got some rather large distances to cover so hoping the train will sort it out faster. it does work within same district right?

[quick thistle]

@tall bridge you use the mod?

[tall bridge]

Have not started using it no use to small maps 😜

[quick thistle]

someone else that has used it now?

I have someone on steam saying it doesnt work

but i have tested it well, so i dont know why it wouldnt

[tall bridge]

Can test it some more tonight

[torpid hemlock]

I am currently testing the workshop version.

I have found the following errors with two trains in a single loop:

Trains do not leave the freight station after emptying if another train is waiting to enter the station section.

Trains are stuck forever when loading. If you click on a wagon, you can see that the goods are always loaded and unloaded without the train setting off.

[quick thistle]

but you do have 3 sections?

[torpid hemlock]

There are two separators between the stations, i.e. three sections.

The entire circle therefore has six

[quick thistle]

your setupi?

[torpid hemlock]

so its four in total, by bad

[quick thistle]

npnp, not really important

the directions are important

and you have nothing else?

the locations of thr trains are correct?

or should those be different?

[torpid hemlock]

They are correct

[quick thistle]

Or is this better:

[quick thistle]

so both trains are waiting at the station?

if so, then i will have to test this, as i wouldnt have clue what is happening

but at work still

[quick thistle]

if this is the case, then that would make more sense

but either way @torpid hemlock make ssure to include waiting stations

[torpid hemlock]

Sorry, though dashed lines are trains

Mine looks like this

rect -> stations

[quick thistle]

yea, so this makes sensse

That train doesnt know where to go

and is therefore blocking the section for the other train

The red line indicates a waiting station

but this conversation has learned me i do need to make it clear that if multiple trains are running waiting stations are required

[torpid hemlock]

Ah ok, thanks

[quick thistle]

better to have 1 per train

so 2 like that

[strange blade]

Maybe, another piece like waiting stations (a bypass one), that have directions at block end, to be placed mandatory on the main track ? 🤔

[quick thistle]

I dont completely get it, can you maybe illustrate it?

[strange blade]

The issue is that junction don't have direction blockers, and, waiting stations, only at one end. So, it's very easy to leave the junction led to waiting bypass bloked by an occupied waiting station.

[torpid hemlock]

And one note to your image:
Waiting stations are required on both sides of the loop

[strange blade]

Guess the quickest fix will be to increase the length of waiting station by one and to have flags at both end, so, a waiting train to free the main line.

[quick thistle]

With that layout you dont

[torpid hemlock]

They keep getting stuck 😦

Train in the top right isn't leaving

Have I placed the separators incorrectly?

[strange blade]

Use more track separators (sure won't hurt)

[torpid hemlock]

I think the problem is the waiting stations and that the turnout for both stations is the same section.

However, if I place the turnout at a distance and want to separate the stations, this happens as soon as I press separate:

[strange blade]

Drag and drop here the last error zip file, for Tobbert to take a look.

[torpid hemlock]

Here the exception

https://github.com/TobbyTheBobby/TimberbornMods/blob/main/Assets/Mods/ChooChoo/Scripts/TrackSystem/TrackPiece.cs#L59

GameObjectFast might be Null at that place.
Maybe try GameObject instead?

[coral sparrow]

I have a different issue but I don't know if I'm the problem or not. I have 1 train going between 2 stations moving food. The haulers load the supply station, the train moves the food to the 2nd station. That part is fine. But I cant get haulers to unload the 2nd station. I prioritized for haulers and I believe I have all the pertinent warehouses selected (for supply at station 1 and obtain at station 2). This is in 2 separate districts. The beavers go to the train station to eat but the haulers won't move it out to a warehouse. If I prioritize the station for haulers, shouldn't they do that 1st before moving other goods around? The haulers do everything in the district except unloading the train station. They load it but wont unload it.

I need to go so I wont be back to Discord for a few hours.

[torpid hemlock]

You have to set Fill with goods on each warehouse individually

@quick thistle Would it also be possible to set the freight station to distribute goods? Just like in the warehouse

[coral sparrow]

I am sorry, I need some assistance with 2 issues.
Issue #1. I have only 2 trains, they're both waiting and not moving some badwater. I have attached screenshots. BadWater is in a station (Scrap Mesa) ready to go and there is another station (Wood Industry) ready to receive. See 3 screenshots.

Issue #2. I set up 2 sidings with waiting stations. It says theyre not connected to any other stations. They are and I have done this identical setup in a different location and they function fine. See 2 screenshots. Please ping me if anyone can assist.

[coral sparrow]

In this situation, the train is using the waiting station even though it says its not connected to any other station.

[fallen gale]

I don't think GameObject vs GameObjectFast will change the Nullness of the result. I think the Fast designation is for caching the type lookup, not the value?

[karmic flare]

GameObjectFast is GameObject but cached by BaseComponent. Also if Fast one is available then GameObject should throw something like "use GameObjectFast instead". Same for (Try)GetComponentFast

[fallen gale]

GetComponent and gameObject are marked as Obsolete with a message pretty much like that (and throw)

[quick thistle]

Thats also old code, i havent pushed update 6 code yet

i always get scared by git

[torpid hemlock]

I need to take a closer look at unity mod development. I know my way around Unity, but there are some things in the code for Timberborn mods that I don't understand.

[torpid hemlock]

If you need help with Git, I'm happy to help

[silver egret]

It's gonna git you

[fallen gale]

git isn't too bad if there's only a single branch with no merges (which is easier if you're the only person doing any commits)

[quick thistle]

right now, i have started in a new project

i dont want git to delete all my files

[fallen gale]

oh, ya, before doing anything unusual with git I have no issue with backing up my entire working folder into a .zip or .tar.gz

[torpid hemlock]

why not use git stash

[quick thistle]

scary words again

[silver egret]

Why would you use git stash , when pushing new version?

[leaden lichen]

git stash doesn't save you from everything scary in git and if you are already using phrases like "scary git things" you probably don't know enough to fix things with git stash

(Git is crazy powerful and complex)

[torpid hemlock]

To save work without commiting. I use it when playing/testing around in my code

[torpid hemlock]

I'm not an absolute expert, but I'm familiar with most of the functions

How far along are you with the U6 code?

[quick thistle]

tons of rewrite of the tracksystem and navigation system and updated all code everywhere to comply with update 6 modding support changes

I have also started with implementing a visual indicated for unity editor to make it easier to make new tracks

All other mods are also updated to update 6 with differnet amounts of changes that were needed

MorePaths being the biggest

ChooChoo was small changes, as most is custom code anyways

but has the most models, which were impacted alot

but if i were to do the change on github, i think a lot of lines changed and a complete folder restructure

[torpid hemlock]

Maybe you can create an U6 branch, push and we can test

[silver egret]

IIRC You cannot rebuild the project from the github because the prefabs aren't included since they are too big.

[tall bridge]

i just straight up created a new git package for U6+ 😉

just had to do it twise as some files that should not be on github was not skipped first 😛

[quick thistle]

but how to push that to the old github?

i havent even tried, i will

but that is what ive been thinking about

To be clear, i just havent even bothered yet

The amount of people that use that gihub is minimal i feel like

so pushing it is just for backup basicly

which i already do on my nas

[torpid hemlock]

I think Github is very good. It allows others to look at the code, help look for bugs and record bugs under issues.

Of course Discord is better for direct communication, but GitHub is better for management.

[torpid hemlock]

• check out the repository
• create a new branch (e.g. u6)
• copy you lokal changes
• commit
• push new branch with changes

And why are Prefabs to large for Github?

Max File size is 2GB

If you use Git LFS

[silver egret]

In reality, maybe not with big things, this barely happens. Letting people making an issue is already hard enough. Still is Github great nontheless. It's an good glorified backup system with some extra features

Anyway, ye good luck

[calm condor]

How do we place the track on bridges?

[tall bridge]

i created a new one and skipped old as it was bugging out and taking to much LFS storage usage anyway

[tall bridge]

problem is not the size but that the full files is replaced if small changes is done and if someone downloads it so the max amount of download from LFS is used up and github want me to pay to be able to use github

and its 1gb/ month as max both in storage and banwidth!

[torpid hemlock]

Oh, did not thought about that, valid point.
Maybe add a link to readme.md for an other service?

[tall bridge]

hmm for me i keep the timbermesh files on github but blender only locally so its possible to export the model if you want but its not updated as often not as much data taken.

and if you do want older versions its possible to ripp my old mods on mod.io

[torpid hemlock]

Quick update:
When I place two additional track pieces between separator and waiting station -> no more crashes
I removed the two additional waiting stations
Added some separators as suggested by Todor
Now both trains run the loop with very little waiting time

[calm condor]

I have a question, do i need to connect both sides of waiting stations?

Or just one is enough 😁

[shadow drum]

@quick thistle i see what you did there, you updated the choochoo mod (mod.io) but forgot to rename the file for greedybuilders 😄

[quick thistle]

oh what

i did change the name

I just downloaded 0.10.2

Or maybe i still did it wrong, idk

[shadow drum]

wait give me moment

[quick thistle]

i just did what someone people suggested doing

[shadow drum]

gonna download it fresh

shouldn't it be named PrefabGroupSpecification.Buildings.GreedyBuilders to work with GB?

The last time it was named PrefabGroupSpecification.TobberTrains.GreedyBuilders it didn't work

gonna rename it to tobbertrains again to see if it loads up with GB

might take a while. my pc needs about 5~ minutes to load up the save in it current state 😄

🥔 power!

@quick thistle oh nevermind my bad looks like it seems to now work aswell with the Name TobberTrains instead of Buildings

whatever the reason for it is 😮

[quick thistle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shadow drum]

sorry for the disturbance 😮

[quick thistle]

npnp

enjoy! 😄

[shadow drum]

[quick thistle]

just wanted to note im receiving no more issues regarding trains, either because people gave up on the mod or the update fixed most issues that are that bad people are reporting them so now they do not anymore

[glad pawn]

Nah this mod is goated

I have not tried this patch yet though

[silver egret]

[woven crescent]

is it intentional to be able to place paths and tracks on top of each other?

I thought "oh neat maybe I can put gravel underneath the track for rp reasons" but i deleted it because I was afraid it was an interaction that would crash lol

[quick thistle]

thats no intended i think no

[hollow spear]

Good way to get a beaver killed by being run over by a train, if the code allows it :p

In case people are looking for new and humorous ways to kill beavers :p

[quick thistle]

Nope, train collision is not a thing 😦

[hollow spear]

darn 😦 sorry 😦

[half yacht]

Dummbbsss way to dieeee

[woeful granite]

I wish there were collisions and it hit a beaver and the train would flip over

[tired steeple]

Choo is crashing for me this weekend :/ mod version 10.3 game version v0.6.9.2-8993f96-sw

[formal drift]

you updated tapi from 0.7.7.0? if so that's the issue, not every mod has updated their builds yet so just gotta disable choo choo until it updates or downgrade and loose out on mods like my botkit that need the upgraded tapi

oh right, tapi is shorthand for TimberAPI

[zealous turret]

10.3 is working for me with latest tapi, 0.7.7.2.

[dark frost]

yes lol

[quick thistle]

maybe lol

[dark frost]

be nice if integraded into game :3

[quick thistle]

wait, no, then i lose my mod

[tired steeple]

No choice. Steam workshop doesn't give me an option to not update the mods

[silver egret]

Choo choo has already been updated iirc

So you could use the mod "Steam Update Buttons" to easily force updates or just do the other work arounds, I think like verifying game files or something

[tired steeple]

That seems to have worked! my modtest world loaded without crashing. Now loading my proper save with Choo 10.3 and tapi 772

[stray mason]

can I get help here with my train line or do I need to go elsewhere?

my train gets stuck, even though the track is a loop.

[tall bridge]

what version of mod are you on?
is there more than one train if so is the train multiple colors? (the loop need to be atleast 1 more color segment than trains)

[stray mason]

there's only one, I'm on steam so should be latest build, track has plenty of segments

there are 2 looped ends, I'm rebuilding one to simplify slightly, the middle bit is 2 direction with one track but with only one train this is theoretically irrelevent. both looped ends are one way, with a goods station in the middle.

is it a problem that the train crosses districts? if I delete the train and make a new one to replace it, it goes to the first station, loads scrap, brings it back and unloads, and gets stuck here.

the other loop is as follows.

[tall bridge]

that is not true 😦
Steam is known to bug out and not update mods!
Verify gamefiles is a sure way to know its latest or use steam update buttons to check
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3358667560

[stray mason]

thanks, I will try this and let you know.

[tall bridge]

as choo choo has been updated to fix alot of problems we need to be sure that you use the fixed version and not the broken one 😉

[stray mason]

are there plans to be able to merge trainyards to make larger trains? I'd like to have more wagons. could be the version I'm on but I don't see the cargo (using wooden flatbeds) and train acts like a spring - bluetooth wagons when the train is driving but at a station they catch up.

[tall bridge]

else it looks correct the image you sent

[stray mason]

I really like this mod, I was surprised at how cheap it is to build trains and tracks, and researches, could be I am used to W&R where everything costs you dearly.

all files validated, I'm using choo choo V0.10.3 T.API 0.7.7.2 and harmony 2.3.3

i'll check and see if it is fixed

soon I will probably make the line a big loop with no junctions to run multiple trains.
Is there a more detailed guide on train behaviour that would be useful to follow for first-timers?

[tall bridge]

not that i know of no

[stray mason]

yes, I was on 0.10.2 so that could have been a problem

[quick thistle]

The description is a start if not read already

[quick thistle]

Latest fixed a lot of issues. No issues reported to me since then.

Except user error ofcourse

[stray mason]

the train still does not respond, I will try rebuilding it

it still gets stuck at the end of the second goods station

I will try a sharper corner - perhaps it does not like having it directly after the station, and using the sharper corner means I can have a straight piece after the station instead of a curve

when the train is loaded, on hills, in both directions, they behave as such, which is a minor visual bug probably.

the train still gets stuck.

[tall bridge]

tried with less sections so its not that one section is wrong way?

[stray mason]

following with the direction the train goes, they should have been correct, but even after removing them, or splitting into 2/3 sections there is no change.

[tall bridge]

then we need a save to be able to help

[stray mason]

ok, where do I send my save?

[tall bridge]

just drag it in here or in #🚀mod-users and we/i will look at it when we get time

[stray mason]

ok, Is there any log files you might need or anything I could collect from the debug console for you?

[tall bridge]

think its better to start with save 😉 as if it does not crash logs offen do not tell anything interesting

[stray mason]

the only mods I have are listed here ^

[tall bridge]

else the save tells what mods is needed 😉

[stray mason]

in the meantime do you know of any maps above 256 units squared? I'd like to try a big map, ironteeth to be able to make the best use of trains.

[tall bridge]

better to ask in #🔭maps-general

[stray mason]

are there any plans for the future, like a roadmap of features? i'd be interested in contributing to development in any way I can, such as testing, but I am not really that great at programming. perhaps I could try learn modelling and model versions of the flatbed wagon with logs, planks and metals.

[tall bridge]

do not know if there is any roadmap or plans but if you want to model its done in blender 1x1x1m is one cube space and some info how to export game files exist in pins of #🤖mod-creators

and we are always happy if there is models to use 🙂

[stray mason]

hold on a minute

the trains are not supposed to turn round right?

i saw it turn round and drive through itself

[tall bridge]

think there is some safty logic to turn around if it cant go forward

and it can rewerse to get where it wants

[stray mason]

oh Ok I was not expecting that to happen is all. I'll play with segment direction to attempt to achieve correct operation

I did some testing - somehow it works now. it took a while, but the train works. one think I saw is that if the segments directly border a station this can cause issues, even if they are in the right direction relative to the train,.

this is the layout that works.

[stray mason]

so after breaking it again shortneing the loop slightly I have decided to just make the whole track a loop, which adds more capacity anyways

[quick thistle]

you have waiting stations?

and what you mean by breaking?

[stray mason]

the train gets stuck.
there are no waiting stations - there is no reason for the train to wait. there is work to be done.

[quick thistle]

what you mean by stuck?

[tall bridge]

but if it searches for it becasue there is no goods in the station

[stray mason]

it stops at the second station

[quick thistle]

you have multiple trains?

[stray mason]

so, for it to set off, it must be loaded with some good?

only one.

[quick thistle]

it looks to move goods, if no goods to move, then train just doesnt move

[tall bridge]

i loaded your save and as fast as i added a waiting station it started moving

[quick thistle]

might be smart for me to implement a rule to require a waiting station atleast

otherwise you cannot build a train

[stray mason]

oh. It'd be nice to be able to have a setting for it to load only/ unload only instead

[quick thistle]

and if a waiting station is remove, disable one

or prevent removal

[quick thistle]

what?

[stray mason]

for the stations - so that if it is set to 'load only' it waits until it is loaded, and then leaves, and 'unload only' would only unload the train and not load it again, but let it continue

[tall bridge]

here is a vid showing how it moves things in your save as soon as i added the wating
if i remove waiting station so there is none the train stops

hmm tried to build it again and it shows this

[quick thistle]

resume time

it is still there?

[tall bridge]

yepp

destroy rail befoere and build again and still there

[stray mason]

I fixed it on my end by supplying some metal for the return trip.

since I only intended it to export the scrap metal and not bring anything back at all.

I'll just change my district crossing and use the unemployed to haul them back 💀

[tall bridge]

if i removed the signal below the waiting station it found the connection

[tall bridge]

have you added a waiting station thats a good thing to have so it can go there and wait for more work

[stray mason]

so that way I can have my cake and eat it?

[tall bridge]

can even use 2 trains 😛

[stray mason]

i think there is still a section of disused track from when i made it all one way

so will it always go there? seems like an inconvenient detour.

[tall bridge]

hmm its weird it has now stoped moving :S

[stray mason]

if it leaves the station because no goods to transport, but the other station nearer to the waiting station does have goods there, will it skip going to the waiting area?

[quick thistle]

when it finishes moving goods, it will look to move goods, if it cannot, it will start waiting

it will retry to move goods every X time

[stray mason]

so when it leaves 1st station on it's way to wait, it does not immediately start looking for work?

[quick thistle]

just before starting to wait, it will check if it can move goods, if it cannot, for performance reasons, i make the train wait X amount of time to retry

its like an hour ingame time or something

[stray mason]

ok

it drove past here, so this is a lie, it has to be connected.

[tall bridge]

Tobbert looks like waiting station do not like it if the entry and exit is not the same segment

[stray mason]

aand it is stuck again.

wait no that was my fault

i think it is working.

this is the setup I am now using. I will try with 2 trains.

because one of the ways is already forced into a direction trains are only capable of running one way.

2 trains was a bit too much for it

[tall bridge]

but im suprised you have not added any sluices to route away bad tide water 😮

[quick thistle]

this?

[stray mason]

why bother? solving such a problem properly will be time consuming.

all that really happens is a bunch of carrots get vaporised

helps control unemployment in the region.

[tall bridge]

its not always 😦 but often if i have it like first image the trains get stuck
if i connect so its like the last image it starts moving (build the raild and the toggle the outgoing rail segment devider (top left gray at last image)

(they have to go from right to left to get to the next station)

ps still stuck if i reload a save with the setup of first image

[stray mason]

how come this does not work?

[quick thistle]

this one?

[quick thistle]

currently investigating this one, this one might be in code

[stray mason]

it would help if I'd actually pictured the segments

[quick thistle]

what you mean?

[stray mason]

this should be better.

[quick thistle]

Oke, i have fixed this one

[tall bridge]

i do not get the error message atm as his exellency has but what i found before is that wating station did lose the error message if it had the same section segment before and after

[quick thistle]

not sure how to replicate the issue you are having

[tall bridge]

also would it be possible to show a warning in a station or wating station if it does not find and entry and exit?

[stray mason]

removing signal here, even though it was pointing towards the hourglass side of the sign on the waiting station, fixed this issue. i will check if trains run now.

[tall bridge]

well if you fixed one error it could have been also fixed 😛

[stray mason]

but now both trains are at the bottom, waiting!

[quick thistle]

i was testing before the fix

[tall bridge]

but you could get it to show the not connected symbol?

[quick thistle]

indeed

i dont know how you made that show the icon

[tall bridge]

then it could be the same problem just that the icon was not always shown maybe?

[stray mason]

got rid of one, now they run

oh perhaps it is because sometimes the symbols only update when unpaused

so I probably got a backwards one and forgot to unpause after fixing it.

[quick thistle]

it is important to test while running, as for performance reasons, i wait to calculate a lot

as to not calculate things many times while nothing changes

[tall bridge]

since you said about paused i have done it in live

[quick thistle]

epic! then im confused

[tall bridge]

can you try load this save and see if trains move

as that save is in a state where it show no error messages but they still stand still

[stray mason]

I'm currently in a similar spot now

once it reloads i will show what is happening.

[quick thistle]

this is user error

[quick thistle]

You have deleted 1 track, as seen on the left

[tall bridge]

but i did then build the track between the waiting stations but they still did not move

[quick thistle]

oh yea, fair, that is fixed by the issue, using live it is broken

yup yup, sorry about that @tall bridge

[tall bridge]

np but maybe should say something in description that it can not pathfind between station past a waiting station but need direct trackline

[quick thistle]

it says so on the tooltip

but i cannot make people read

also, fix is live on both steam and mod.io

[tall bridge]

hmm it does?

[quick thistle]

ingame

and i thought i did in the description, but will add there aswell

[tall bridge]

😮 and here is the unusual case i read the mod description but not sure i read the ingame one 😛

[quick thistle]

you read it atleast

more then 99% i imagen

Copy pasted the text into the descriptions now, thanks for that aswell

[stray mason]

pretty sure it works now, i will let you know soon

[tall bridge]

Tobbert thought some about what should happen if a train with beavers cant get to the planned destination maybe:

1. go back to pickup location
2. go to first station it finds
   and if its removed (train) spawn them at trains last location if you remove it its your choice to do so 😛

same could even be if a train has goods and cant get to the planned station go back and return the goods

[stray mason]

most of my problems were related to the lack of or routing problems at waiting station

[quick thistle]

the only fix right now, is that it didnt correctly interact with hill tracks

so your situation mostly related to having that on station be directly attached to a hill track on both sides

which resulted in wacky behavior

[tall bridge]

😮

[stray mason]

perhaps a difficulty dependent rule for passengers - hard mode, the passengers get dumped where the train was if removed, even if they get stranded. easy mode - always return to home district. medium - unless they would get stranded dump the passengers. ofc toggleable in custom. something similar for goods, apart from they become rubble instead of having to walk home.

not sure about a train carrying liquids

[quick thistle]

liquidss are just goods, so they are supported right now