Choo! Choo!

[quick thistle]

oooh, love that man ❤️

[elder fjord]

I don't now why the bots (the beavers also), move like this, is this behavior normal or is it a bug?

[quick thistle]

thats a bug, are you on the latest version

[elder fjord]

i think so

version: 0,6.3

[devout talon]

have you tried out the Create trains from the Minecraft Mod Create?
ESPECIALLY with the Steam'n'Rails Addon mod!

[worthy cloud]

I didn't

And I meant more "engineering" games like Factorio

OpenTTD (economic simulator) is also a bit streetcar-like)

[devout talon]

Create adds in alot of engineering into minecraft
logistics and engineering
its fun making fully automated factories with it

[worthy cloud]

But can you automate shunting?

@quick thistle did you see how trains reverse?

I guess it's temporary solution

[quick thistle]

I prevented that behavior, but because im bad at coding, i enabled it by accedent

havent bothered disabling it again

[worthy cloud]

Well, how do you want trains to reverse (if at all)?

[quick thistle]

not

they should only go forward

so the player has to make a loop

[worthy cloud]

Ok, I hoped for a realistic direction change

[quick thistle]

what you mean by that?

[worthy cloud]

Run-around with locomotive, or multiple-unit/streetcar that has cabs on each end

[quick thistle]

So going forward and backwards all the time

[worthy cloud]

Yeah

[quick thistle]

while looking cool and realistic yes, would be worse from gameplay

[worthy cloud]

Althought locomotives don't have that much distinction between "forward" and "backward"

Except for USA

I guess you're from right-hand drive country

[quick thistle]

no, from the Netherlands

[worthy cloud]

So, right-hand drive

At least on roads

[quick thistle]

aaah, that yes

the wheel is left

so i was like, xD

[devout talon]

whats that again?
also most likely yes

[worthy cloud]

Moving railcars around inside one station/yard

[devout talon]

naturally
there was an issue that you couldnt decouple cars from trains but the addon mod made that possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8W-f9YhYA
https://youtu.be/WvO-Xl6lDOU
https://youtu.be/4Ri_ax1J8-s

the 3 trailers for the main mods train update and the 2 trailers of the addon mod

also prolly should move this to another channel...

[silver egret]

For a moment I thought this was not timberborn discord

[elder fjord]

@quick thistle I have found more bugs.

under the passenger station

[quick thistle]

Either remove choo choo, or install Unstuckify for the time being

havent figured out a fix yet

[elder fjord]

And in the air

[elder fjord]

The idea is great of choo choo, I think I go with unstuckify

[quick thistle]

I also updated Unstuckify, because you made me think of automating Unstucking beavers.

That setting is on by default

so i also added it as dependency on ChooChoo, so that bug is "fixed"

atleast to the point that it shouldnt impact peoples gameplay, which i find more importantly right now

[native vortex]

For clarification, with the updated mod it should work within one district correct? Or is it still better to split districts between goods stations?

[quick thistle]

Infinity loop still exists, watch out

So 2 with the same good can result in problems

[sacred pond]

First of all, I love trains in these kind of games and I appreciate the effort put into the mod! There should totally be trains the base game.

Now, onto something I noticed, that is a bit weird: There seems to be no storage limit to the goods station (just noticed 1.6k water being stored so far) and there's only import none or import always. I'd prefer, if the goods station had a buffer, but bigger (2x to 5x larger, perhaps?) than the district crossing, instead, because "infinite" storage just asks to be abused.

Now, something I'd like to see, but do not know how difficult it might be is, having the mod use the options and values from the base game, instead of a separate configuration tab. Having to manually enter what you wanna import strikes me as a temporary solution compared to being able to just import whatever your district-wide storage can handle with one button.

[quick thistle]

Ty i apreciate that

As for the first point, i didnt know that that could happen. Thx for letting me know, i thought that was fixed.

As for the second point, using the base game one is one per district. So within the same district is not possible. As for the options, there needs to be another one or something, but indeed, it needs to improve

[sacred pond]

Ahh, I didn't think about using them to transfer goods within the same district. Thanks for clarifying! That does make it more complicated, indeed.

Had to think for a bit. So, each goods station is assigned to exactly 1 district by the walking path it connects to. That means, it's theoretically possible to figure out if 2 by-rail connected goods stations are either inter- or intra-district. What's causing me a headache is, if the network is a mix of inter- and intra-district connections.

What might be the best solution is to have separate stations for inter- and intra-district connections, i.e. you can prevent wrong connections and use the appropriate interface for whatever station is used.

On that note, perhaps the station is neutral itself and the track carries the information. The reason I think about it that way is, because I'd like to have a station with 2 tracks. That'd allow inter-district and intra-district to exist within the same goods station and there wouldn't be the need for a hauler to get the goods from one station to another, that are next to each other, because one would be for internal use and the other for external use.

I just noticed, the goods station that is exporting the water has an internal buffer of 200 units, but the importing station has unlimited storage.

[brave dove]

This mod has been an amazing addition to timberborn.

In my testing, I can only get the trains to transport 2 goods at a time, like the export goods station will only fill up with 2 resources, is this intentional?

Another thing that I am wondering is if it will be possible at some point like it used to be to choose the exports on the individual stations.

[brazen moss]

I've been really enjoying the mod! I set up a main district separated from a far-away mine operated by robots, with only fuel, gears, and treated planks needing to be imported. It was working great but then the importing station stopped receiving fuel, even though the export station showed fuel in stock. So I started importing spadderdock and water to make fuel on-site at the mine. A little frustrating bug but I worked around it.

[native vortex]

Hey all! So I think I'm messing up my goods stations and I want to make sure I'm doing this right.

Goods station A is in District A, where all resources are gathered and produced except scrap metal. I have this goods station set to import scrap metal at the highest available amount (200).

Goods station B is in District B, and is centered around a scrap metal mine. I already have all the storage built around it. I have this set to import gears, treated planks, explosives, biofuel, and catalyst (only bots work in the mine/goods station) at the highest amount.

I've had the system online for about a day, and the workers in goods station A (bots) are just standing around doing nothing. They're not adding any resources to be exported to the mine. I have 8 trains sitting in waiting stations. Thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?

[brave dove]

I have had similar issues where the export station becomes a bit lazy and does not fill the cargo station. The best fix that I have found is replacing the cargo stations. This usually fixes at least part of the problem

[native vortex]

Unfortunately neither of mine are filling the stations. That's why I think I'm just doing something wrong.

[hybrid gale]

how do you danload this mod?????

the train mod**

[quick thistle]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/choo-choo

Mod.io is the site for al timberborn mods

[hybrid gale]

ok thanks

to danload the mod do you subscribe to it

[tall bridge]

Use the mod manager

[hybrid gale]

where is that

[tall bridge]

See pinned message in #🚀mod-users for link how to install it

[hybrid gale]

thanks i am installing it now

im confused again

how do you put the mod onto the game????

[quick thistle]

please refer to the #🚀mod-users channel, that is the main palce for help

[hybrid gale]

ok

[open meadow]

Hello! First of hats off to @quick thistle this mod is awesome! I'm trying to make sure I have the basics down before making a huge rail line. In the picture I have 2 seperate districts and both sides have loaded goods onto the goods station. They're both asking for the materials that the other has but the train is stuck in the waiting station. Are trains allowed to pass through the train yard once created?

[worthy cloud]

Two more ideas:

1. pieces like S curves or 90 degrees turnouts
2. interlocking the way, not the section in certain places

[native vortex]

Hey all. I eventually got them to start loading after deleting and replacing the buildings. But as soon as they started putting resources in the goods station, the below happened.

The game then froze and wouldn't let me do anything so I had to hard stop the app

[solemn monolith]

new train models?

cool

[open meadow]

I keep on getting "Uncaught exception occured" and the game freezes. Is there a page or video that explains the dos and don'ts?

[native vortex]

This happened to me too. See the picture above

[open meadow]

I feel like it has something to do with the platforms accepting way more goods than they should but not sure... I tried deleting all my trains before making changes and it still froze. Have you tried anything else?

[native vortex]

I deleted my goods stations and decided to wait to use the trains until the bug is fixed.

[open meadow]

Deleted stations and trains then rebuilt and it's running fine currently! Going to see if they overflow again though.

[kind acorn]

I don't know if you figured this out, but it seems like your track is 1 big section. Eachs ection can only have 1 train. You can divide the track into sections at straight tracks. There's a button you need to tick.

People don't seem to take the train but instead just walk from passenger station to passenger station. They do this in the most direct way possible, not looking at paths. Is this how it is meant to work?

[solar hedge]

Soo, update on my choo choo issue that I already mentioned in #🚀mod-users : trains are moving now after I deleted a bit of the "bottom" rail loop to rework the former bidirectional part. But I still can't get them to deliver scrap metal from the top district to the bottom. Top goods station is fully stocked on scrap to export, but trains are just importing stuff from the other station... Made an imgur album with screenshots of the settings for both sides (district 1 is "bottom", district 2 "top"): https://imgur.com/a/j3qpaDu
If anything else is needed screenshot-wise, let me know and I'll add it to the album.

[solar hedge]

Ugh, nvm, it works now. For whatever reason I "just" had to delete and rebuild the goods station in district 2...

[quick thistle]

When looking at a lot of the images i finally found a thing that people are doing wrong and therefore i forgot to prevent the user from doing, which is changing the number when importing is disabled. I quickly changed that so now its blocked when items arent importable

Should clearlify a lot for a lot of poeple i guess

[jaunty halo]

Didn’t check in for a while, was there anything new since u4?

[quick thistle]

Bugs

And no time to fix them

[strange blade]

make them frogs, not bugs 😮

[solemn monolith]

Is there mentioned anything about the game crashing when lowering the number? My game crashes every time and I cant reload any save. Am I doing something wrong, that makes this happen?

[jaunty halo]

Rip

[silver egret]

Bit more information?

[solemn monolith]

When I have my trains setup, they loaded in the wood at the station. When I change the import counter below a number that was previous in it ( as an example I put 20 in and then later put it on 0), the whole game crashes when I unpause the game.

[solemn monolith]

It happens when I do the above, and I tried it with multiple saves.

[quick thistle]

Note to self: Postfix PreReconstructPath to find all buildings that a path goes through. Reuse PathFollowerUtilities. Cache the calucalted path based on the Start and End position into a dictionary or something. This way I can find the special path based on the Start and End position on NewPathStarted and access it using the PathFollowerUtilities.

Should fix flying beavers

Prefix GetNeighbors to dynamicly add certain neighbours under certain conditions. This is a very performance reliant function, so should be cautious. This can fix that beavers will walk normally if the station is full.

[granite galleon]

what does this message mean? im just trying to transport some wood and planks between to districts

[solar hedge]

If you mean the one at the bottom, it's not relevant if you have no passenger stations in use.

[tough abyss]

Tobbert, loving this mod!!! The trains are so insanely cute and bring so much extra feelgood to the gameplay. 🙂

In the spirit of bug reporting (in case it helps, no stress about fixing anything), I, too, find it currently impossible to get the trains to haul scrap metal, specifically, and (seemingly) all the other heavier (?) resources, for that matter. Haven't been able to systematically test this, but it would definitely look like that the workers in the Goods Station simply do not go and fetch (scrap) metal, wood, or planks - even if those are the only ones asked on the other end of the line. If I change the ask to ~corn rations or mushrooms, the same workers will immediately go stock corn rations and mushrooms. Available inventory space on the receiving end doesn't make a difference.

[quick thistle]

ooooooooh

THANK YOU

i will test this and see if that is concistent

then i FINALLY have a reason why that is the case

im always wierded out by people saying it doesnt work

but then i test and it works fine

thank you thank you

[tough abyss]

Just really glad if I could help! I work with games myself (sound design, not programming) and was actually miffed I couldn't give you a properly documented bug description 😄 Not holding my breath about whether that's the core of the issue but hey worth trying? 😅

[tall bridge]

Could it be that the items is to heavy to haul the amount you tell them to get🤔

[obtuse arrow]

Just checking in to see if there were any updates on the beavers "falling" through the map bug yet. Is there any more info needed on this? I could definitely see if I could find the saves where they are still doing that if it helps.

[quick thistle]

im just not motivated enough to work on it 😦

[thick rain]

I tried to see if anyone already discussed it but.. quick question; is the train working without the district crossing building? Because I want to connect 2 different districts only with the train, for passengers and goods.

When connected everything, and tick the box for allowing the train to cross districts, it still says no connection in between.

Help! 🙅🏻‍♂️

[tough abyss]

This is not the answer you are looking for, but it should be possible to troubleshoot this by building the district crossing anyway and seeing if it fixes the trains? Might be relevant info for development/Tobbert, too. Obviously, if the trains don't run even with the district crossing, the problem/bug is somewhere else. If the building does make the trains to run, perhaps leave the building but either pause it, give it no workers, or just prevent the district crossing from doing any trade?

[quick thistle]

Im not sure how buggy the mod is to begin with. As far as i know the mod is basicly unusable, but im starting to begin thinking people are actually able to use the mod so i dont know anymore

But yes, trains can replace disttict crossings

[brave dove]

From my testing, the mod works great in the short term though after a cycle problems start to arise

[quick thistle]

Ive now hidden the mod until i can work on it

[gilded fern]

https://tenor.com/view/searching-mark-angel-markangelcomedy-looking-for-something-where-is-that-thing-gif-26247328

[feral mica]

im on my phone right now so it’s difficult to see if this has been asked before also it eont let me look at the mod on the website for some reason AND the game crashes when i open the mod manager so this is my last place to ask…

do trains carry passengers within a district? im doing a playthrough where i only have one district and it got to the point where beavers would have to run 300 paths to get to their job so i got trains, beavers go to the passenger station and the train rides around but it says ‘no passengers waiting’ and doesn’t move any beavers

is this something i have done wrong?

(its one straight track with three passenger stations and one train)

please @ me so i get a noti :)

[real lichen]

very bad timing from my side i'd say 😂
friday: i'm preparing for a new game and search for the mods i want to use (including choo choo as i'm a big train fan 😍)
saturday: i'm finally updating the game to update 4, renewing the mod manager, looking into the mods and installing everything - except the choo choo mod as i couldn't find it anymore
sunday: another try, still not found, i thought i'm dumb but then i stumbled across the discord invitation on reddit and read this message cited above. nice 😂

i used to play it back in april just before update 4 was released. i loved it and i hope you'll get it to a state where you're okay with rerelasing it

[quick thistle]

It was released vut after many people having many issues ive decided to hide it untill i can fix the issues which i dont know when i have the energy to do so. Ty for wanting to try it though ❤️

[real lichen]

take your time. the less bugs the better. i first need to grow my settlement at all to even be able to make usage of trains 😄

[rotund tree]

just curious, how do I make a choo choo work within the same district? also when have a passenger station, the beavers teleport instant and not take the train.

[modest juniper]

noticed the same, they dont teleport tho, they take some time, based on how far the distance between both passanger stations is. if im right

[inner plume]

Hi guys, Im having problem with choochoo mod when i click the menu button for example to save the game, the game crash but if im go from escape button the menu work, i search the log and i find this ChooChoo.TrackSectionMeshShower.ShouldBeActive () (at C:/Users/jordy/SynologyDrive/Unity Projecten/TimberbornModsUnity Update 4/Assets/ChooChoo/Scripts/TrackSystem/TrackSectionMeshShower.cs:139) ChooChoo.TrackSectionMeshShower.OnToolGroupEntered (Timberborn.ToolSystem.ToolGroupEnteredEvent toolGroupEnteredEvent) (at C:/Users/jordy/SynologyDrive/Unity Projecten/TimberbornModsUnity Update 4/Assets/ChooChoo/Scripts/TrackSystem/TrackSectionMeshShower.cs:97) , anyone having this problem?

[inner plume]

i forgot the message and I only put part of the stacktrace
NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
ChooChoo.TrackSectionMeshShower.ShouldBeActive () (at C:/Users/jordy/SynologyDrive/Unity Projecten/TimberbornModsUnity Update 4/Assets/ChooChoo/Scripts/TrackSystem/TrackSectionMeshShower.cs:139)
ChooChoo.TrackSectionMeshShower.OnToolGroupEntered (Timberborn.ToolSystem.ToolGroupEnteredEvent toolGroupEnteredEvent) (at C:/Users/jordy/SynologyDrive/Unity Projecten/TimberbornModsUnity Update 4/Assets/ChooChoo/Scripts/TrackSystem/TrackSectionMeshShower.cs:97)

[gloomy basin]

I'll post here so Tobbert can keep track 🙂
Trying to load a save where trains have been built crashed the game as a "bug"
However, removing Choo Choo let's you load the save but without any trains and all those buildings/tracks are removed

[quick thistle]

im gonna see if that might be an easy fix

could you send the crash report in the image?

just the zip, but if you wanna do it private thats fine

i know its about that image

[gloomy basin]

Sent it in a dm

[quick thistle]

Thank you very much in the very least

[gloomy basin]

No thank you 😄

[quick thistle]

OMG IM A ***

[real lichen]

Yes, you’re a GOD, bringing trains into timberborn

😁

[quick thistle]

ty but the mod is to buggy for it being appreciated

[real lichen]

I’m still stuck setting up the track network and doing a second district to take usage of so up until now nothing’s buggy for me

[quick thistle]

oke yes, i feel incredibly stupid now as i forgot to save the state of it goes across districts. So upon load save it would recognise that it should be true and connect to districts that should not be connected.

[gloomy basin]

Speaking of that, yesterday I did the passanger station (between two districts) and I noticed that beavers did not get on the trains from the passanger station. Instead they went into the station and then made a b-line straight to the next station in the other district going through all terrain/buildings/trees/etc that was in the way. The function works in the sense that i transports the beavers but there is no train and instead they kind of just walk across everything.

[quick thistle]

correct, i disabled the system for actuall transportation as it was also VERY buggy

but i kept the moving of beavers for players already having it in their game

and bc i do wanna fix it

[quick thistle]

oke i fixed the issue of districts connecting directly as it now remembers what was chosen

the correct path link is created now based on the settings

now back onto flying beavers

[real lichen]

You adding an airport to timberborn? Nice! 🤭

[quick thistle]

I pushed a update that should fix the error that sirpenguin was having and finally (probably) fixed the flying beaver issue

[quick thistle]

now i only need a save that has problems with the items movement

then i can try fixing those issues

[quick thistle]

I now also improve the logic of the goods distribution

i hope all big issues are fixed

[elder tide]

@quick thistle The District Fix isnt pushed yet?

[quick thistle]

it is, but doesnt work reproactivly

[elder tide]

So new Save?

[quick thistle]

or old enough that it loads

[elder tide]

Ehm, it loads, but I still crash when connecting districts to a loop.

[quick thistle]

hmmm

idk

if you can send the first error

[elder tide]

You mean the exception logfile?

[quick thistle]

yes, possibly

[elder tide]

This is the last, the first would take a while to find...

[quick thistle]

this is after you let the game run for a bit

so you pressed a button or something?

[elder tide]

I reversed a direction.

[quick thistle]

i see

well then

gonna have to take another look

ty for sharing that with mee

sorry for having wasted your time again 😦

[elder tide]

Dont worry^^ I love the mod, so contributing to improvements is a pleasure^^

[mighty bone]

Hey there 🙂 First off, awesome concept with the train mod, I love the idea of having a huge sprawling civilization, with specialized areas, and trains connecting them transporting workers and goods. However, I cant seem to get the trains to work. I placed down the rails, made passenger and goods stations at both ends, made sure there's space for the train to turn around, but when I build a train, it wont leave the train yard, it just sits there. Unless I build a waiting station, then the train goes there, and again just sits there, even though there are goods and passengers waiting. Help please? 🙂

[real lichen]

It doesn’t need special buildings to turn, it will turn around on its own if it needs to go back

You said goods are waiting, so I guess you have the stations in different districts and set the imports properly?

Then it might just be a bug. The author stated many times that it’s currently a bit buggy and I finally finished my first rail track yesterday and can confirm that it doesn’t work as expected atm 😅
Initially it transported 200 water to the new district but later it wasn’t transported anymore. And also more goods were waiting to be transported and weren’t transported by the train. I also didn’t get it to work properly. But at least the train drives back and forth delivering at least some scrap metal I produce in my new district

One question: is the track going through the waiting station or the train yard? Or are those two connected to the route via a switch? It possibly doesn’t find a route between stations if it has to go through waiting stations or train yards

[mighty bone]

Actually its the same district. I tried making it two different districts, and set up a switch too. I have two tracks running parralel, one going in each direction. Both tracks are set up with splits so the train can go through either station, or around them, but it still just sits there

When the train line is set up, and the stations are active, the distance to the district center is updated to fairly short, so it does work to some regard, but the train still just sits there, and the beavers just walk along the very very long path, they barely make it to the workplace before work hours are done, then they arrive back at their houses just as the next day starts, only to start walking back again

[real lichen]

Hm then I can’t help unfortunately, I didn’t try it neither in same district nor with passengers

[mighty bone]

I'll try making it separate districts again, and specifically migrate some beavers to the workplace, maybe its the passenger stations that are the bug

[quick thistle]

Alot is bugged im sorry 😦

[mighty bone]

no problem mate, thats just modding 🙂 ANy suggestions on how to get the train running?

got it to run a little bit now, dont really know how. I got the train to deliver food and water to the new district, but it wont take any goods back with it. Its a start I guess 🙂

[quick thistle]

Idk, in my testing it always seems to work, but i know how its intended to be hsed so if someone does something then i dont know how to replicate

Could you maybe make a video or something on the problem and the steps you set to getting to the point of it not working.

You have correctly set the goodsstations? Not the district window? (Saw some people confuse the 2)

So one that has not import and the other said to import?

With number thats bigger than 0

[mighty bone]

I set the goods stations to both import, but different things. One imports food, water, logs, planks and gears. The other, in my main district, imports scrap metal and metal blocks

[quick thistle]

Hmmm, i never tried that in testing how stupid

I might try that at home tonight

[mighty bone]

I'm currently trying out making a train yard at the other end and making a new train there, maybe the train can deliver from its "home district", but not get goods from other districts back home

cant really make a video, I can show you screenshots of the two different train stations though, if that can help

messed around with it a big more, didnt work, even with a train originating frome ach district. And the game crashes every 10 minutes or so now, so I think I'll just leave it for now. Let me know if I can provide any information to help troubleshoot the issue though 🙂

[quick thistle]

its crashing, i see

i took it offline then

its too unstable and making me too sad to work on, ty for telling me

[real lichen]

That’s exactly what I want to do too 😄

[real lichen]

It can do both. In my game yesterday it did deliver things in both directions. But not as reliable as I would want it to. The carrying beavers also seem to not deliver all the scrap material to the station (what I would prefer). They do if I use the trading gate tho

I’ve seen the repo is on GitHub. I’ve never done a mod for timberborn but now I’m triggered to help fixing the issues because I want to expand my train network towards playing railroadborn 😂

I guess the reason for the bugs is the new district system? Because I can’t remember having had problems back in April before update 4. I used it to supply three districts and it worked just fine as it was supposed to

[mighty bone]

probably the new district system messing everything up yeah, that would make sense to me (me not being a modder at all :p ) Let us know when you got a fix for it Tobbert, I'll happily test it out

[gloomy basin]

Passanger stations are acting wierder than the intentional teleportation. Beavers get stuck (pushed up into the air?) the BepInex window is going crazy with cache error

deleting and rebuiling the passenger station releases the beavers

[quick thistle]

to be clear, nearly everything regarding the mod is custom, custom track system (which works good enough and shouldnt have to do anything with what people are having problems with.) Its mostly the custom distribution system ive written. That is because there are a lot of things that can go wrong, beaver not delivering their items, sending queue being empty while not being empty but trains do think its empty. trains unsuccefull in delevering, unclear UI elements and therefore wrong.

[quick thistle]

that is probably a little older version

should be removed, but you probably cannot update as the mod is not online anymore

[real lichen]

Looks like choo choo makes discord buggy as well

[elfin meadow]

The thing that I am noticing is that it is the storage for the cargo that is causing the instability for me.

Crash reports are suggesting that the trains are try to deliver goods to a warehouse that exceeds the limits of the warehouse.

Or trying to deliver to a warehouse that cannot accept that type of good.

[elder tide]

The idea for Intra-District goods transportation...

[real lichen]

then you'd need to link the relevant storages. idk if that is a user-friendly approach

i'd rather make it use storages in a certain range if that would be possible somehow

[quick thistle]

There are 3 options:

1. No inside district movement of item
2. Only allow for manufactoryies OR storage.
3. Rewrite item system of base game

Its gonna be either 1 or 3

[real lichen]

as of what i heard of you

it's gonna be 3

[silver egret]

What is option 2

[quick thistle]

If an item arrives at a station via a train, in the ui you can set it to either only transportable to manufactories or storages

That would solve the loop

[silver egret]

How? I set it to storages, it goes from storage to the other train

[real lichen]

does it? if you have two stations in the same district set to storage then that could cause a loop again? or do you prohibit this as allowing only one station to deliver to storage per district?

[silver egret]

^ this but in less words 🙂

[real lichen]

like making an import hub that delivers to storage and distribution stations that deliver to factories

i guess there's also a problem when thinking about the way back. i guess two stations per district could work, but three or more will be difficult

[quick thistle]

oh, and take aswell

it wouldnt be the best solution, for sure

[winged reef]

@quick thistle hey mate 😄 firstly thanks for the great mod! There is a bug tho - when I choose import always, the train delivers without issue, but since the good station has no upper limit on resources received, all my resources get concentrated into one district which makes the mod pretty much unusable. Would you mind looking into it? Thanks a lot! Also please tell me if i am doing anything wrong, I am setting one district to not import, the other to import always.

[real lichen]

@winged reef If you say it works perfectly fine (besides the described bug), how many goods did you set up to deliver? Only one? Or more? And do you have both directions set up?

[winged reef]

More than one good, with one district set to not import and the other set to always import

Once the storage is full in my import district the goods pile up in my goods station

And the trains keep delivering to said goods station, draining my other district of resource

[dire zealot]

Hello, I have just started using trains. I am wanting to set up the trains more like a subway, moving my beavers rather than goods around the map. How can I set up different lines so that one train will just go to one station and back? Thank you.

[gilded fern]

seperate tracks

[hoary pulsar]

whenever i try to delete a goods station the game crashes when i try to save, is there something i can do about that?

[outer violet]

I have a similar problem, this has never happened before. When I remove one/more imported good the game crashes.

Although I have already played several hours with this mod, and only recently this started happening

[quick thistle]

Oh, could you sent the crash report in that case? Maybe small fix?

[hoary pulsar]

i made my route then built the trains and everything was working perfect until i wanted to make changes, i even put all the goods station on hold and waited until the trains are in the waiting stations but still cant delete any station

[quick thistle]

yup its exactly as you described

the error makes complete sense

[hoary pulsar]

oh?

[quick thistle]

sorry for the inconvience

i suggest is better to not use the mod

its very buggy

[hoary pulsar]

but its amazing

is it fixable or avoidable?

[quick thistle]

dont delete stations and if you do wait a while before saving

that might prevent it

untill have fixed it which can take a while

[hoary pulsar]

hmmm i will try

is it difficult to fix?

[dire zealot]

Thank you. So, I would have to have to a different train station for each line...

[quick thistle]

@sturdy pilot just to be sure as it was sort of a joke in your episode, but please dont use ChooChoo currently. It is extremely buggy and also hidden for that reason. (Also sorry for pinging either way)

[quick thistle]

Choo Choo is finaly stable? eh? 🙂

[copper crypt]

Why r u stating that as a qeustion?

[quick thistle]

because i dont know anymore

i uploaded a new update

featuring the old system

which the mod was designed for

and in my testing was WAAAAAY more stable

so ?

choo choo is back?

and also cross intersections

big and small

[strange blade]

With such amount of warning about not working, no one dare to use the trains. Must be a "guinea pig" now. I'll keep you informed.

[quick thistle]

absolutely the best

[strange blade]

Guess will celebrate the new year, tonight 🤣

[quick thistle]

notice that this version is able to be used inside one district if used correctly

[near gazelle]

CHOO CHOO IS BACK

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-tank-engine-shocked-surprised-woah-what-gif-2982173991495381717

[quick thistle]

dont be to excited, im a bad tester afterall

[near gazelle]

(found a better gif)

lmao, i have faith in you

[regal matrix]

Oh my god is it actually??

Wait where did that text come from

The preview was just the locomotive, oh well

[quick thistle]

I just hope both the passenger system and goods system are just stable

then i can feel way beter

[quick thistle]

@rotund marsh current version works inside a district if you set it up correctly.

[regal matrix]

Looks like it's time for me to do testing

My viewers will be happy to see the train return, I appreciate all the hard work

[quick thistle]

The more people the faster i get the problems there are still left.

Bc this system is waaay easier to fix

[strange blade]

@quick thistle , sometime when I use drag to layout tracks, I have 1 FPS 😮

[quick thistle]

Hmmm, thank you will try

[errant quest]

is it actually fixed?

[strange blade]

In tests ...

[errant quest]

also im having trouble downloading the update through mod manager

so i guess ill install it manually

[strange blade]

How ?

Why is coffee and coffee beans inside and why receiving ?

This was when I click to show the game menu 😮

[quick thistle]

hmm

yes, thats wierd

[strange blade]

and, still unable to make trains moving. But, tonight is train testing time, plenty of time 😂

[quick thistle]

they arent moving?

what?

[strange blade]

Strange is that is no import of coffee beans thru distribution post ...

[strange blade]

maybe must try to delete all trains since they exists before I've setup all distribution ?

[quick thistle]

no, shouldnt matter

you do need to press reset

on all station

that might fix most things

[quick thistle]

could explain this, as it remembers what you had before

[strange blade]

OH, TY, will try that

[quick thistle]

but overwrites it

thought it wouldnt be much of an issue, but for existing saves yea... ups

[strange blade]

But, only today I've installed Choo! , so, no old saves 😜

[quick thistle]

what did you mean then?

oooh no, sorry i misunderstood

[strange blade]

How I got that beans, and , in tha station ?

[quick thistle]

it says 200 though

means you have set it 200, no?

[strange blade]

NO ! Strange is that I have in the district with this station a log storage, full with logs before. All receiving of planks are disabled and, no planks or storage . But, when I placed a platform, somehow workers manage to get planks (Houdini worker, maybe 🤣 ) and build that platform. Looks like, train distribution system collide with district crossing system

BTW, the reset on all (2) stations, didn't help ...

[quick thistle]

in no way they should be defaulting to 200

they should be set to 50

if you dont manually change the number

[strange blade]

I did not touch the number settings on train distribution system, only I adjusted the percentage into district crossing, but, not forcCoffee or beans ...

[quick thistle]

can you screen how the ui looks like for goods station

should look like that

[strange blade]

Both ?

[quick thistle]

oke, wtf

why does it say 200

[real lichen]

Now I got a reason to quit work right on time tomorrow, because …CHOOOOOCHOOOOOOO

[strange blade]

Houdini strikes again 🤣 From nowhere, got all kinds of stuffs and export them. Has own mind ? New feature in mod ? 🤣 Anyway, after I've delete all existing train, I build a new one and it start working, After I've added a new piece of track, trains go to sleep, forever 😮

Crash again on attempt to go to main menu, so, cannot save

[quick thistle]

i updated that though

shouldnt happen anymore

but you click on it

right?

[strange blade]

YA, to go to main menu

[quick thistle]

i see, i always use esc

[strange blade]

BTW, 2 train and it works until a new piece of track has been built .

Nothing more to do now, go to bed. Good Night.

[quick thistle]

ty anyways gn

[quick thistle]

I have absolutly no clue how you get them to be 200

without setting it

[strange blade]

The capacity should be 200 ? WTF is going on ? 😬

[quick thistle]

I have absoltely no clue how you can possibly do that so i cannot debug it

[hoary pulsar]

my goods station is stuck in a loop they are filling it up with gears and the train is unloading it again and also they are filling it up with random stuff that should not even be in that district

[strange blade]

Poor @quick thistle , now 455 gears 😮 😬

[hoary pulsar]

actually 700

they are taking all my storage lol

[quick thistle]

what did you do?

[strange blade]

Tobbert don't want to admit, trains has it's own mind now ....

[hoary pulsar]

i just bult a station and configured it to what i want to import and export

[strange blade]

At least, in the latest version, no more crash when clicking to go to ingame menu and when add new tracks, trains keep running !

[hoary pulsar]

yeah no more crash but sus trains

[quick thistle]

like litterly, i place down station and set one thing to send and beavers will just take that one item

so what are you guys doing different?

[strange blade]

Both station send and receive goods

[hoary pulsar]

i noticed something things that i configure have a porpper limit and the rest 200

[quick thistle]

oh wait nvm

mine is doing it too

**

aiygdskusgduygakfgslidfggaf

why didnt it do it like that yesterday

man i hate testing

i suck at it

[strange blade]

Luckly for you, have some Guinea pigs for testing 🤣

[hoary pulsar]

when i setup the goods station my district crossing tried to import everything suddenly

[strange blade]

I know that since yesterday 😬

[quick thistle]

but clicking reset should fix it, but you said it didnt

[strange blade]

No, the issue is the station are considered a storages and goods will be stored inside from District crossing (who import also uneeded stuffs)

[quick thistle]

can i have one of your saves?

where there are to many goods?

the 400 one?

[hoary pulsar]

sure but its quite big

[quick thistle]

i might have fixed it, but need to test

many other mods?

[quick thistle]

doesnt matter i guess

as long as its loading

[hoary pulsar]

yeah a few mods and a lot of beavers takes forever to load

but here you go

[strange blade]

mod list for mysave

[hoary pulsar]

oh thats a lot

where do you get that list?

[strange blade]

I run the command <<dir /w >a.txt>> inside the plugins folder and drop here the file ...

[quick thistle]

@hoary pulsar you have actually tried clicking the reset all button?

[hoary pulsar]

where is the reset all?

[silver egret]

Meanwhile trains: let's wait until he releases it so we can go MAYHEM

[quick thistle]

Pushed fix where it should be fixed when building a new station

old stations are still affected, unless the reset button is clicked

@strange blade and you clicked that button aswell?

[hoary pulsar]

oh wow that was quick

[quick thistle]

I changed the order of 1 line

so was cut1 line and paste it above the line it was after

and changed the max capacity of receiving from 2000 to 200

OMG

UPS

uuuh

[strange blade]

YA, but, no effect on storage capacity

[quick thistle]

xD

[quick thistle]

it did not change it from 200 to 0?

the higher one

[quick thistle]

the 200 in this image

those should be set to 0

otherwise you are clicking the wrong button or im extremely stupid

[strange blade]

It changed, but, stored items continue to grow

[quick thistle]

stored items in which one

the red one or the green ones? or both?

[strange blade]

green one

[hoary pulsar]

it was set to disabled so it should be 0

now it looks better

[quick thistle]

okay okay

noice

[hoary pulsar]

lets test it

why is there no more pause button on the goods station?

[quick thistle]

why would you pause it?

[hoary pulsar]

to stop it from filling up

[quick thistle]

they are still fillinging it?

[hoary pulsar]

no so far its working fine

just a way to pause it so workers ignore it for a while

[quick thistle]

pausing i guess would be easier than disabling and manual enabling everything yes

would have to look how easy disabling is

[hoary pulsar]

yeah thats what i mean

[quick thistle]

OOOOOH SO THAT IS WHAT BLOCKABLE BUILDING MEANS

OMG

[hoary pulsar]

lol

[strange blade]

Is working now !!

[quick thistle]

epic, cannot wait for you to find the next broken thing 😄

[strange blade]

it means to try passenger train ? 🤣

[quick thistle]

xD

well... it should also be fairly good, but the problem with that, is that it doesnt involve trains

its just teleporting

but if you see flying beavers then im gonna lose my mind

[strange blade]

But, still need to check if the district crossing is working ...

District crossing also behave as should be, so, trains crises avoided 👏

Still a small "bug". Chimney make more smoke then trains ? Call firefighters 🤣

[hoary pulsar]

i have one problem my train just stopped in the middle of nowhere

[quick thistle]

and you did nothing?

[hoary pulsar]

he doesnt have anything anything to do so he should go to the waiting station

yeah i did nothing

[quick thistle]

is there awaiting station available?

[hoary pulsar]

yeah

[quick thistle]

he can pathfind to it?

[hoary pulsar]

same happend before but there i changed directions of tracks so that was probably because of that

[strange blade]

I have 4 trains and run like hell. Just night waits in the waiting stations (no bots yet) ...

[hoary pulsar]

another train made it there perfectly fine

[quick thistle]

they cannot pathfind over other waiting stations

[quick thistle]

@hoary pulsar they can now be paused, pushed an update for that

[hoary pulsar]

enough space

[hoary pulsar]

amazing

i just delete the train for now and see it it happens again

[quick thistle]

then i think its a problem with the layout

[strange blade]

I have a bigger train yard 😄

[quick thistle]

thats a lot of trains xD

[hoary pulsar]

i only use the big tain pieces so i need more space

[quick thistle]

cool to hear that, makes the train move waaaay nicer

[hoary pulsar]

yeah thats why i do it

[quick thistle]

oooh i only just noticed the 4 4-ways

[hoary pulsar]

my layout is pretty much a circle with a few offtracks for the goods stations

[strange blade]

Nicer ? Maybe you fix the "elastic coupling" .... Trains is "compact" only in stations or waiting stations 🥳

How I need now the automation mod to be ready for building tracks without workers get stuck 🙏

@quick thistle , something is still missing. Can you make, please, something like Knatte's tunnels, but, for trains ?

[quick thistle]

yea i was thinking about that

[strange blade]

A video with working trains may come verry soon

[hoary pulsar]

pausing is still not possible

[strange blade]

No need to pause, is working like a charm

[hoary pulsar]

well sometimes i want to pause the stations to let the trains wait

[quick thistle]

ooh you meant trains not doing anything?

i thought you meant beavers

[strange blade]

In cause of shortage in one district ? Ya, it make sense

[quick thistle]

stopping the trains when paused is a lot harder

[hoary pulsar]

if i pause the beavers the trains will also pause when they delivered everything

[strange blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAW19VZUAY0

[hoary pulsar]

how much can one train transport?

[quick thistle]

no clue on throughput, but its speed is 2x a beaver and about 7-8 the lifting capacity

and is able to carry different goods at the same time

[hoary pulsar]

it looks like about 20

[silver egret]

Built an area for water with just few houses and train stations to transport the water everywhere

Isolated poor beavers

[strange blade]

and, if the train drivers strikes ? 🤣

[hoary pulsar]

everytime when train 1 approaches the signal train 2 stops

[strange blade]

Not enough sections

[hoary pulsar]

how would that change it?

[strange blade]

click on a straight track, click on "Enable section" and you can change also the orientation

Train can enter only in a free section, that's you have some issue, Look into my video

[hoary pulsar]

yeah i know that there are 2 signals

and train 1 stops at the signal to wait but train 2 stops at the same time

[quick thistle]

train 1 is trying to enter the section of train 2 and the train 2 the section of train 1

both cannot enter as it is already occupied

you need a third one for one train to enter a new section and leaver the other

general rule: amount of sections is amount of active trains + 1

[hoary pulsar]

right fuck

damn

[strange blade]

Special rule. Build as many section you can. Helps a lot !

[hoary pulsar]

i tried to make it so on train can pass while the other is at the station and forgot trains can also wait behind him

[strange blade]

I'm glad that in the video I have trains crossing districts but also inside the same district. Both are working. Nice job, @quick thistle 👏

[real lichen]

Wait, Distribution inside districts is actually working? 😮

If that is true that will revolutionise my hauling 😂

[quick thistle]

yes, it works

[quick thistle]

if setup correctly that is

[real lichen]

somehow it's still a bit buggy. this train does not want to move the scrap metal when bringing in stuff from the other station. in the first pic the train is full with other stuff, it gets unloaded correctly, but then it just leaves without picking up the scrap metal (i only have two stations and it is destined for the other one). i've reset both stations as you said above plus i rebuilt the other station (not in the screen)

plus it seems that trains do not take stuff that was delivered to the station during the time it travelled there. it worked with the scrap metal before (i had a crash in between then i rebuilt the other station) and i could see that the train was about to arrive and the haulers added more scrap metal to the station. however, the train left with empty waggons and only carried the scrap metal that was inside the station when it began its journey to the station

maybe i am wrong tho and it just gets "teleported"

i saw it leaving with 30 pieces in storage in the station, then it arrived at the other station. after leaving there i saw there were 24 instead of 12 scrap metal in storage of station. i looked now in the origin station and: it was 21. so i guess there were 12 pieces teleported by the train and 3 were delivered by haulers (hence the difference between 30 and 21 instead of 18)

also: is it correct that the content of the station has no red arrow? it is set as to be sent. in the other station every good has an arrow either red or green as expected

but in general: i love it again, it might be a bit buggy but it expands my game experience and i can close down the district crossings again

[real lichen]

@quick thistle i've tracked that teleporting and when i thought it could happen i saved the game in advance so i can send it to you now (and yeah, it did happen). if you watch the train and where it comes from, then you see it is empty and the station it has left has 5 scrap metal. when the train arrives these 5 get teleported to the destination. i also added the mod list (sorry, it's a bit longer 😅). thx @strange blade for that idea

[quick thistle]

@real lichen love the feedback man, gonna take a look

everyone here is so nice

[real lichen]

choochoo broke 😭😂
i was sending a pic of it (second one) on another discord and was outside the game for a while, tabbed back in and it just broke 😂
(it found its way back to the track after pressing play so i guess it's no bug of the mod itself but more a funny behaviour)

[thorny patrol]

If only the modding tools worked on Linux, I would have jumped in and tried to contribute my own fixes to some of the remaining bugs,
Becouse I love this mod, yet it has so many issues.

And no. I am not moving back to Windows, not even as a duel boot. VM, maybe. But that just don't run all that well.

[hoary pulsar]

i have found an issue, i have 6 districts setup in a loop and the train moves from station A to station B perfect but all other stations get ignored even tho it drives through them

[quick thistle]

thank you, yes, forgot to sort by distance

[hoary pulsar]

those 2 districts are pretty much on the opposite of the map

[quick thistle]

but they are the first ones you placed correct?

[hoary pulsar]

oh

could be

[quick thistle]

I think ima go with order by total amount that can be filled for a receiving inventory. And try to fill it based on the closest to the train.

[quick thistle]

maybe you could check if it works better now with the update?

[hoary pulsar]

ok will try

[hoary pulsar]

now they refuse to move

yes i reset all the stations and i just set up 2

[quick thistle]

sorry about that, best to reset to previous version in that case

as i dont know why it would do that, and currently cannot fix

[hoary pulsar]

no worries i play something else for now tell me when you push another update ^^

[quick thistle]

Im busy this weekend though, so can take a while 🙂

[hoary pulsar]

i can wait

[uncut fiber]

Hi, im experiencing a bug with the mod, my trains just refuse to move to get water even when there is 0 water in the district and there is one station set up to export water in another district with 2.6k water

even before this update they refused to move

there is only 2 goods station conected and 6 trains in the waiting stations

when i started using the mod it worked fine

[quick thistle]

Could it be its a station that is later placed than the others?

[uncut fiber]

there is only 2 stations conected

i do have some being built

but they are not completed yet

[uncut fiber]

it was first

then it started bugging

[quick thistle]

And the layout is correct?

[uncut fiber]

then i destroyed it and build it again

[quick thistle]

Different colors? One ways in correct direction?

[uncut fiber]

i tried remove all direction markers

with only one track

etc..

nothing worked

[quick thistle]

Tried with 1 train?

[uncut fiber]

just a sec let me try

didnt work

it just sits in the waiting station

deleted all the trains and built a new one didnt work

[quick thistle]

So one set to sent and other to receive doesnt work?

[uncut fiber]

yes

[strange blade]

Hmm, stations has been build before the revert to U3 distribution system for freight trains ? If yes , I suggest delete all station, built hew ones and set-up !

[quick thistle]

No clue, i guess best to sent your save and currently used mods

[uncut fiber]

it didnt work even before update

[uncut fiber]

ok

[quick thistle]

Before update makes sense, you have 0.7.5?

[strange blade]

What if old settings are the pulpritt ?

[quick thistle]

Could be could be

But he said he rebuild the stations

So might not be a problem

[strange blade]

Am I blind ? Where he say that ?

[quick thistle]

He said they were the first build, i expect thats with the latest build

[strange blade]

But, "didn't work before the update" don't means that the station has been build also before the update ? I understand in this way

[uncut fiber]

after the update i destroyed them and rebuild

english is not my first language sorry

[strange blade]

OK then...

Me neither 🤣

https://youtu.be/lAW19VZUAY0 Anyway, I build this layout only in 0.7.4 , and, is working. Can be a one track with wrong direction, not enough sections or wrong settings for distribution ....

[uncut fiber]

also thought it was a wrong direction

but i remove everything and it still didnt work

the settegins are also correct

one station set to export water

and another to import

[strange blade]

hmm, betwen 2 districts or in the same one ?

[uncut fiber]

2 districts

[strange blade]

Only thing that I haven't checked is what happen if also exist a distribution for the same good with district crossing .....

[uncut fiber]

IT WORKED

idk how

i was taking a screenshot and it started working

[strange blade]

Main point is that is working, rest .... no matter 👍

[uncut fiber]

i have 2 district crossing set up to always import water

as far as i can tell

the train import only count whats in the station

[strange blade]

Could be some trouble then, @quick thistle , with the reserve capacity ? I avoided trabsporting with train even something marked as "import when needed" .

[uncut fiber]

now the train is constantly going between stations transporting only 3-5 water cause i cant empty the station fast enough

im glad it doesnt consume fuel

im slowing add more trains to see if any bug happen

there is another bug

if there is more than 2 stations they just stop trying to import anything

as soon as i deleted the third station everything started working again

[strange blade]

?? One station set-up to import from the other 2 located both in the same district ?

[uncut fiber]

one station to export in another district and 2 to import in the same district

nvm

wait

wtf

i think it only bugs if the two stations has the exact same import config

yeah

i have one to import both carrot and water and another to import only water

its working

[strange blade]

Make sense in this case, it confuse pathfindings ...

also, to reduce lag, Tobbert has limited, to (3-4 hours, I guess), the interval for checking the need of goods.

[obtuse arrow]

So I've been testing the map I had where beavers were falling through the ground and causing a crash, but unfortunately I'm still getting the same crash. Not sure if it has to do with the number of beavers in the rail depots, or if its something else, but still getting consistent crashes.

[strange blade]

Hmm, crash log will be needed to see what happen. I don't have such a problem, so, I want to see what other mods may cause that issue.

[quick thistle]

on the latest build?

that would be sad 😦

[obtuse arrow]

I had removed the mod and just reinstalled yesterday, so I think its the newest verion. Unless there has been an update in the last 24ish hours. Looking for all the info now.

[quick thistle]

oh, well, still flying beavers?

[obtuse arrow]

No, just falling.

[quick thistle]

falling?

Timberborn doesnt have gravity

[obtuse arrow]

They "fall" through the bottom of the map at the stations. It looks like they have been assigned a point to travel to under the map that doesnt exist. It only happens at the inner city train depots though. And usually when a train station gets very full.

[quick thistle]

hmm, that i would have to investigate, would mind sharing the map and mod list?

[obtuse arrow]

Ya, working on gathering all of that together now.

[narrow oasis]

@quick thistle

[strange blade]

Too step, I guess

[quick thistle]

HES ACTUALLY USING IT

[strange blade]

https://youtu.be/cb0TG8RMD8A

[tall bridge]

Its just doing a wheelee 🤣

[quick thistle]

Wagon carries 150?

dynamic specifications?

[strange blade]

Nope, I do not use dynamic specificaton on any mod, YET. I don't figure how...

[regal matrix]

Yeah this Thomas the Tank Engine add on is lethal

I will never not use it

[silver egret]

Choo choo mod usage boosted by 300%

[strange blade]

But, only 3 downloads ? Someone need to make an announcement !

[quick thistle]

oh my god

wtf

0,75 downloads per hour

ayop

[tall bridge]

around the same downloads as faction exchange

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15juA0Fl6ZjbYmoNTg_vjMophBvtjMz8YNUI_KmNdtdg/edit?pli=1#gid=2048823311

[silver egret]

That is still a thing

[tall bridge]

still works if its a thing is a good question 😛

[quick thistle]

I could make it a dependency of choo choo

[tall bridge]

or do a choo choo mod pack? 😉

[strange blade]

Don't rush. 3 Youtubers already knows about Thomas, so, in a few days, will see downloads exploding.

[quick thistle]

Trueeee

[strange blade]

If you can fix the Station capacity and priority until first Youtube playthru , will be perfect ...

[uncut fiber]

lol

series pretty good so far

[regal matrix]

Check the download count again on Tuesday after my next video goes live 🤣

[strange blade]

With the Thomas add-on, need longer waiting stations ....

[strange blade]

Rundabout with train ? Watch to the end of the video. LOL 🤣 https://youtu.be/-98N_7PlBUg

[strange blade]

Even super long waiting station for passenger cars 😮

[real lichen]

Do other trains drive through those „obstacles“ or is the track blocked?

[quick thistle]

Wagons dont have collision. So drive through

[real lichen]

Okay, but how is the logic behind blocked tracks? Is it a standard length per train not depending on actual length?

I mean if a block is reserved by a train and it drives out of it there must be a threshold when freeing it for the next train to be able to enter it 😄

[quick thistle]

It is only checking the train

checking on the wagons would be incredibly diffcult, or someone has a easy to implmenet idea

But i dont mind that behavior, i care about the default train models

thomas is just a fun addon which doesnt hurt gameplay but might sometimes look wierd

[teal wind]

Hi guys! I just built my first train line, but I can't get it working. I have 1 station set to exporting, with materials in it, an another to importing, it's all connected, yet the train just sits in a waiting station. Is that a known issue or did I f*ck up when building?

[quick thistle]

How is ypur track layout?

No one ways in the wrong direction

[strange blade]

But, you have already in the mod specification the length of loco and wagons. So, instead of checking with the loco length to declare a segment free for the next train, use the train length ...

[quick thistle]

No easy way of doing that sadly

So many things that can go wrong

So many exceptions

[strange blade]

So, you check only when the front of the loco pass ?

[quick thistle]

When the train passes yes

[strange blade]

[errant quest]

what there are passenger cars now?

so they dont just teleport from one station to another anymore

[strange blade]

YA, but, only visual. Still teleport beavers

[errant quest]

oof

[regal matrix]

Was messing with Choo Choo again in dev mode and when I clicked "modify inventory" on the goods station it threw an "uncaught exception" and the game locked up

I don't know if that's something I'm not supposed to be messing with, but figured it was worth telling you

[quick thistle]

im aware

annoying when testing

but didnt bother fixing it

[regal matrix]

Okay cool

[quick thistle]

as that might get pretty annoying

sorry about that

[regal matrix]

Nah it's okay, no worries

I was sitting there trying to get goods and passenger transit to work in a blank world without playing for hours to unlock and build up resources

🤣

[quick thistle]

xD sorry sorry

[regal matrix]

I want to make sure I at least understand it a little bit before I potentially slander you on a video because of things that aren't your fault

LOL

[quick thistle]

yea

perfect

and you might now it still is a buggy mess

idk

[quick thistle]

@regal matrix quickly fixed it

you can now use both

[regal matrix]

Awesome thank you!

[quick thistle]

hopefully you dont encounter something bad

priority is a issue, i will try to fix that, but that shouldnt matter with 2 or 3 stations

[regal matrix]

I'm going to mess with it a bit more before I go and record next

[quick thistle]

Perfect, im sorry in advance for anything going wrong 😦

im not confident in ChooChoo anymore

Though it seems stable now

[regal matrix]

The new district goods transfer system should operate the same on the goods station as it does with the district crossings, right? Just indicate whether the station should import or export

[quick thistle]

yea, one export one import and it will distribute

@strange blade now that debug window is fixed, you can maybe look wheter your assumption is correct

it shows how many are reserved

if that is indeed the case, then its easier to debug

[quick thistle]

did you update already?

[regal matrix]

I will in a aecond

[quick thistle]

oke, no good

wait 3 more minutes

😄

[regal matrix]

Gotcha

[quick thistle]

ITs good to go now

i think

[charred grove]

I bet you've never heard this before, my trains are just hanging in the waiting station when theres a import and export station and plenty of track between

lol I am dumb, all my one way signs are the wrong way

Nvm still no moving

[dire zealot]

So, I have my "subway" system set up, three completely different tracks to take my little beavers to three different locations on the map. However, I noticed the trains will just sit at one end of the track (like the destination) for a long time before returning. Is there a way to get them to spend less time at a station?

[strange blade]

I don't see any problems, was solved even before, so, it's good. Only if this kind of mess could be solved will be perfect .

[strange blade]

I really don't see any problem now ...

[inner axle]

hey, so my train just wont go anywhere. I have a cargo station set to supply with 200 water in it and another station set to "aquire" that has no water. am i missing somthing?

[strange blade]

How is you layout ? Do you have enough sections for trains to move (a train can enter only in a free section).

[inner axle]

it is only one train on the entire map. I deleted some waiting points that made it go all the way to the other station and it made it just fine

it might be worth mentioning, the train just sits at a waiting station dispite there being a need for it

[strange blade]

Then, something in the your setup is wrong. Look here , is working ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb0TG8RMD8A

[inner axle]

Only something with the stations must be wrong, as the train was able to make its way over to the waiting station on the other side of the map.

and from what I can tell, my stations dont violate any rules put forward in that video

unload station;

load station:

Ignore the blueprints of rails. i had to delete them to get the train to go over to the unload station.

there are two t-joints that arent placed for the sake of being able to build all of it

but it was there before, and when it was, the train just waited at one of the two stations there instead of delivering.

it is really frustrating as I want to get a Bulk water route up and running.

[strange blade]

Not sure, I don't want to make a mess , better will wait for @quick thistle to take a look....

[quick thistle]

@inner axle i see you have different colors? Is a one way in the middle?

Or was the tracks changed in the time between screenshots?

I just woke up 🙂

[quick thistle]

Could you show the track layout?

[teal wind]

Yes I do, I triple checked

[inner axle]

Yes, but no. There is a two track switch that separates the two areas

That means that there are two tracks with one-way signals going opposite of each other.

This is only for one "block" before it re-combines.

[quick thistle]

so train can go both ways? can you sent screen?

or 2 big?

[strange blade]

The middle section

[inner axle]

The train can go both ways. I can send a screenshot soon. Not on my computer atm.

It's 2 tracks wide.

[quick thistle]

this image doesnt show the storage, it did actually have water inside?

[inner axle]

Yep. 200.

[quick thistle]

then you can try sending me the save file. does it have other mods?

[inner axle]

other than the required mods? no.

[inner axle]

Is there anything i should do?

[quick thistle]

No, sorry i didnt see this yesterday, thank you

[quick thistle]

im completely baffeld by this bug

[strange blade]

Guess we are two 😮

[inner axle]

Damnit.

Does it atleast work on your side?

If it does I can work on my side. I'm invested in this now.

[quick thistle]

no it doesnt xD

i know where

i dont know why

[quick thistle]

looked for 2 hours

no clue

actually the wierdest bug yet

i know the precise location, but not why

and it frustrates me

[inner axle]

Hmm... well, if I can help, I will. I know atleast a little bit about coding.

[inner axle]

where specifically is the issue?

[obtuse arrow]

Is this the same issue as the beavers falling through the map?

[inner axle]

Nah. Trains just aren't driving.

[quick thistle]

That issue is too big for me to look

I will, but its a very busy time woth school roght now

[narrow oasis]

Do you have by any chance the 4-way-district-centre mod activ in this save?

[quick thistle]

ohyea, forgot to ask that

[strange blade]

I have that mod active even in 0.7.4 when trains start moving ..., so

and, it's a codeless mode ...

[narrow oasis]

Not because of the trains moving, but the beavers flying/falling.
I have a save, only district center workers start flying away after going into a passenger station. They start climbing an invisible staircase, all to the same place.
Pausing the district centre (even a original game one) and relocating them to a builders hut, let the passenger stations work fine in this save. Possibly the way the pathing through the district centre works, is the culprit for the pathfinding errors?

[quick thistle]

Yea, for sure, as he did something wierd probably which i dont expect

But also havent looked yet

But making it work from 4 sides changes the accessible or something and therefore the order might be wrong

[quick thistle]

Hope nothing goes wrong in jc new video 🤞

[quick thistle]

Found it

Finally fixed the issue

not sure how to explain, but some wierd things were going on

Also added priority

@inner axle it should be fixed now

it was working on your save

[inner axle]

Is it on a new update? do i need to do anything?

[quick thistle]

just update, should just work

[inner axle]

ver 7.7?

[quick thistle]

0.7.8

oh

waht

it never succesfully uploaded

[inner axle]

yea, i was wonderin

[quick thistle]

oke, takes a few min

sorry

[inner axle]

np! thanks for fixin it!

what was the problem if you dont mind me asking? rouge variable?

[quick thistle]

to complicated

but it came down to something wrong with limitng how much a storage can have

which was 200 in your case, but actaully 0

for some stupid reason

[inner axle]

hmm... well, thats code. good luck with school!

[quick thistle]

Its up now 😄

[strange blade]

But, why on me, the same version was working ? Sure, was the layout built in 0.7.4, but has keep working in later version 😮

[quick thistle]

yea, i have absoletly no clue why his case was so wierd

did some small code improvements aswell

[strange blade]

No matter, important is to work, to save J C life and lives 🤣

[quick thistle]

If its working then its working 😄

[strange blade]

Supreme rule ... Never ask why is working 🤣

I'm still afraid to check in my working layout 😄

YA, is working and the priority system also (different trains now really hauls different goods) 👏 Hope that dev's will give us few days to enjoy trains before U5 broke again something .... or , maybe not ? Who knows, Guess, only dev's 🤣

[hoary pulsar]

i got an error i just selected some goods at one station and deselected them at another station in one district

[quick thistle]

wtf is that error

[hoary pulsar]

i donno

[quick thistle]

i know

[hoary pulsar]

cant give 0

[quick thistle]

not sure how it happens

but its funny

cant give 0 indeed

[hoary pulsar]

oh ok so it doesnt make sense good to know

[quick thistle]

sorry about that

[hoary pulsar]

i just try again and see if it happens again ^^

[quick thistle]

im laughing, but im sorry for the crash

[hoary pulsar]

oh btw why do i see your file location in the error log?

[quick thistle]

Yes, you do

[hoary pulsar]

but why

doesnt make sense to me

[quick thistle]

idk why exactly, but it helps me debug easier

there is a file included in the mod

[hoary pulsar]

ah ok thats reasonable

[quick thistle]

thats why, but not sure why its my location

but i do not mind

[hoary pulsar]

i just saw it and was like hum interesting

[quick thistle]

I mean im hacking you

[hoary pulsar]

sure

[quick thistle]

[hoary pulsar]

hack me with your synology nas

[quick thistle]

puts keylogger in choo choo

[silver egret]

That's the moment you noticed 1K network outputs when playing Timberborn with CHooCHoo

[hoary pulsar]

sus

ok so it happend again

how do i know which station it is?

[quick thistle]

it did

wtf

[hoary pulsar]

what is "_reservedCapacity: Goods:" for?

[quick thistle]

Im pushing an update now

i tested it quickly, so might be fixed

[hoary pulsar]

oh ok

[quick thistle]

bc if it isnt, then there is a bigger root issue

which isnt clear from the surface

@hoary pulsar its live now

hopefully it doesnt happen, that would mean it works 😄

[hoary pulsar]

well it crashed 2 times now its fine

😂

[quick thistle]

oke, hope it doesnt happen again anyways

[hoary pulsar]

i didnt really do anything else

i will update later

loading the games takes forever for me

[quick thistle]

aaah, oke then 🤞

[hoary pulsar]

oh i think i found something i pressed prioritize by hauler and my game froze

on the goods station that made the problem before

[quick thistle]

froze?

[hoary pulsar]

yeah my game froze i had to force close it

everything is working well now after the update

[quick thistle]

Happy for u

[hoary pulsar]

i have big changes planned for my loop so you will here again from me probably 😅

but not today

[obtuse arrow]

Just saw this, but no its not active, there's only one district center and its a regular center. I think originally it was a 4 way district center, but I removed it and put in the regular one as it only has one entrance attached to a road.

[hoary pulsar]

the trains couldnt reach one goods station so they ignored everything and just drove empty in circles

[strange blade]

Hmm, one train, 4 cars, and ... 4 different cargo on that train 😮 No more mess with a lot of almost do nothing trains ? It's amazing ! 🚆 👏

[narrow oasis]

But the mod itself is deactivated or only a original district center with the mod still active? Because for me, if the mod is still activated in the mod manager, the original district centre breaks the pathfinding. What works for me with the mod activated, is pausing the district centre and reassigning the workers to builder huts.

[obtuse arrow]

I had in the past after removing the 4 way district, disabled the mod and still had the problem. Im thinking the fact that the passenger stations at some point can have anywhere between 40 and 120 beavers trying to load in on a single space. But no reason for thinking that other than disabling the busy stations caused the crash to happen later rather than sooner.

[quick thistle]

The actual momevement is disabled. They are currently just teleporting

[lilac moat]

So something i noticed, not sure if it's a feature or unintentional: I have a map I use with console commands to test stuff out, and there's a rather large district where I have numerous passenger and goods stations scattered throughout. To my surprise, the beavers are using the passenger stations to teleport themselves to the good stations nearest to the passenger one they popped out of. So while there may be a goods station close to their work area, if there's a passenger station that's closer, they'll take that one and teleport themselves to another passenger station that has a goods station that's even closer. Many times they've teleported themselves clear across the district!

[maiden agate]

Hi,how can i instal the mod

[strange blade]

Like other mods. You have here #🚀mod-users message all the instructions needed.

[maiden agate]

Thanks

[strange blade]

If you have some issue with install , ask in https://discord.com/channels/558398674389172225/1064824959697944666

@maiden agate , don't ask, if you don't read what is in the link I give to you (the instructions)

[red fiber]

Dear, I installed the mod and I love it. I do notice that the beavers do not tend to prioritize emptying the stations. Is there a setting or something I can select to make them empty the station?

[strange blade]

Have storage for that goods set to obtain !

[red fiber]

That has been done (see screenshot attached) and now I have a goods station with 51 logs and 50 scrap metal. If I lower the number in obtain to 1 the beavers empty the station and then if i raise it back to 50 then the train will fill it bach up to 50 but the beavers won't fetch the goods.

[strange blade]

External storage set to obtain a good will make haulers filling that storage !

[quick thistle]

How i designed it to work is that a goods station is the same as a storage building in "normal" mode

This means that items will only be deliverd to storage items set to obtain

otherwise they will just be inside the receiving side

[red fiber]

Oh so I have to set the other warehouses to obtain! Now I get it.

Yes this fixed it. Thank you for the swift reply and help

[quick thistle]

this is so it doesnt flood the local storage buildings if you dont want to

[quick thistle]

npnp, happy you enjoy using it 😄

[strange blade]

This will test for sure the Choo! Choo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQSsWk9YGI0 😮

[reef valve]

is it possible to run 2 trains on 1 line

[strange blade]

Yes, but you must have sections to allow bypass.

[reef valve]

hows that done

[strange blade]

It's an older video, but, the bypass works the same way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODFYLU6Evsc

[reef valve]

so something like this?

[reef valve]

yeah this doesnt seem to work

and ive also noticed trains get stuck at waiting stations and never leave it

yeah ive clocked one not leaving a waiting station for over 10 minutes

and its still not left

is this normal?

[dire zealot]

I ended up just building completely separate lines for everything. I stacked the buildings where the trains are made, and had the lines elevated on platforms. It took A LONG time to run all the lines that way (like 4 or 5 hours of our time at 3 times their speed).

[regal matrix]

Sorry to disappoint, but we're still a ways away from trains actually running. Maybe next episode

[strange blade]

What disappoint ? We have to see how will work, Nice route for a train .

[charred grove]

It is most likely scuffed, do the train stations have to be pointing a certain way?

[unkempt copper]

my understanding (from experience with trains in general rather than from this mod) is that you need to build a bypass like that between stations, and build a one-way signal at the end of each track on alternate sides of the bypass, like so:

[bleak kindle]

Is there a distance limit for trains? I can't get this station to deliver biofuel to the other after rebuilding some track

It just sits there, empty

[bleak kindle]

Looks like someone else had this problem, but I have 0.7.9

[quick thistle]

the reason it would sit somewhere is because it cannot pathfind, probably

But all is purple, so it seems that the layout should be traversable

[strange blade]

Only if is a second train in the TrainYard, NO, maybe

[quick thistle]

no distance limit, but as Todor makes a good thing, do you have mutliple trains? I think not, but to be sure

[bleak kindle]

I added a new one, and put sidings along that track, but when it stopped wroking, I deleted all but one train, and gave it a direct route

I'm testing now to see if it'll deliver other things

[quick thistle]

to be clear, the max is 1 train per color

[bleak kindle]

OK, so it will take water from the station, but won't deliver biofuel

[quick thistle]

hmmm oke

[bleak kindle]

I'm going to fiddle with a few things, and get back to you--want to try and problem solve as much as I can on my part 😄

[quick thistle]

it can totally be an issue with the code ofcourse, so love the fiddling, but dont get to stuck on it.

[bleak kindle]

so I set up the district crossing to drop off biofuel, just to get the bots to start making water, and the train(set to drop off bio fuel) is stealing fuel from the crossing, to take to the district supplying, that crossing

oh

I think it's working?

I turned some imports on and off again in the crossing, and it's fine now? I think?

Siding work great! The trains are really clever. I wish I could tell you what my problem was 😅

[quick thistle]

so you just updated some random imports and exports?

increased and decreased the amount?

or set it to import or export or disable?

[bleak kindle]

not even that, just turning imports on, then off

but not for the station, for the district crossing

[quick thistle]

wut?

[bleak kindle]

I agree

[quick thistle]

it seems that the district crossings are doing something wierd then

wtf

i heard that before, but i look at the district crossing and didnt see anything wierd

well, happy it works for you now

[bleak kindle]

idk where it picked this up, as the only thing that should be exported by this station, should be water

[quick thistle]

Lemme know if it happens again 😄 i will try to look at it again

[quick thistle]

what?

[bleak kindle]

but the crossing has some

but it was at 28 before sooo

I'm going to delete the road connection to it, and see if it still grabs stray spadderdock :P

I don't want to spam chat with screenshots, but this time it grabbed 6 logs (and 75 water, which is expected)

[quick thistle]

this is the chat for my mod, you can sent as much as you want. Makes it more understandable for me

[bleak kindle]

oh, I think it grabbed it from another station

after visiting this station

dropping it off here (44/50 logs, before it's arrived)

and this totally different station it hasn't been to, but is on the same line, is missin 6 logs

I also suspect that stray spadderdock was from this station too

I hope that's helpful in some way?

[quick thistle]

the train hasnt gone to that station?

[bleak kindle]

no, those were all taken paused, right before it arrived

[quick thistle]

but this station is still missing 6?

[bleak kindle]

oh! you mean, before going to the other 2

train was empty before picking up the 6 logs and water from the water station

[quick thistle]

it can pick up goods for diferent stations

or atleast, i tried to make that system, could be buggy i guess

[bleak kindle]

It arrived at the water station(pic 2), and picked up 6 logs(taken from another station's inventory(pic 4)) and 75 water, all to be dropped of at another station(pic 3)

[quick thistle]

IT DID WHAT?

[bleak kindle]

But I do see what you're saying! it only dropped off some of the water, and 22 was left in the train for the next station it went to

So that's working!

[quick thistle]

oh it is good

noice

[bleak kindle]

Was that clear enough, or just more confusing?

lol

[quick thistle]

what was it doing exactly what you didnt expect?

took from a staiton it wasnt at?

[bleak kindle]

the picking up 6 logs from a satiation across the map? yes

oh, I think I read your question wrong

[quick thistle]

aaah, oke, i can check how that can happen, thank you

[bleak kindle]

ya, didn't expect it to take from a station it wasn't at

It's honestly not that big of an issue, I was just confused

for refrence, my train line goes (logs) <--> (City) <--> (Water)