Honkai: Star Rail (Old)

[spiral wolf]

max 5 debuffs I believe and he has his own debuff that he applies

so technically like 3-4 debuffs from rest of the team needed in addition

[rigid bison]

Sw can solo it don't worry

[peak agate]

That’s not a character I need

I need them to be a bit more forgiven

[rigid bison]

QQ

[quasi chasm]

ngl we need comparison on more debuff vs. the stuff that buff him
im thinking sw is enough for debuff and more better to support him on other 2 chara

[rigid bison]

Just start liking using her

It's that easy

[peak agate]

True but actually who am I kidding Silver wolf can go ok team 2

[spiral wolf]

for now I'm putting seggs (guinaifen) as budgest option in place of sw

[peak agate]

Let me think

[spiral wolf]

seggs e1 on resolution has 4 debuffs

[peak agate]

Ensnare counts right

[spiral wolf]

if you count occasional fire weakness break dot that's 5

[peak agate]

So you could get 5

[quasi chasm]

thats dot right

[spiral wolf]

fire dot, firekiss, def reduce (resolution), eff res reduce (e1), fire break

[quasi chasm]

iirc dots is just a 1 debuff for ratio

[peak agate]

What

Noooooooo

It can’t be

[spiral wolf]

each dot is separate

[quasi chasm]

hes going to be broken on kafka team

[spiral wolf]

wind shear 5 stacks counts as 1, but two wind shear from two different characters or one from skill and one from break should count separately

[peak agate]

Just wait till they add the same debuff doesn’t count for the total

I hope not

[spiral wolf]

you just count the debuff icons, it's not complicated

[vagrant fog]

SW and Topaz going

[peak agate]

[sudden delta]

They should release some dogshit 5* so I dont have to roll and/or build another character

[peak agate]

Kafka

[sudden delta]

Yanqing 2. Fuck it

[vagrant fog]

those dogshit 5* will be powercreep by another dogshit on the next patch

[peak agate]

I know Kafka is good I just wanted to say it

[rigid bison]

Good, more charas to not roll for

[timber wyvern]

are those ratio statues from his technique or something

[rigid bison]

[timber wyvern]

the ones of him in a heart pose

[peak agate]

They what now

[vagrant fog]

nah Kafka is mid

[orchid hull]

Kafka is still going to be Queen of DOTs unless a new DOT unit can detonate DOTs

[peak agate]

Kafka is our mom don’t be mean

[peak agate]

[quasi chasm]

unless we talking about dots

[timber wyvern]

that's a funny way of spelling ruan mei

[peak agate]

You have no idea how ready I am for that

[orchid hull]

And no Black Swan doesnt detonate DOTs

[peak agate]

I know this will sound stupid but I don’t know how Kafka works she just triggers the damage for the debuff right

[spiral wolf]

ruan mei still not mom to me
she's waif

[peak agate]

I missed her preview and never seen a review

[timber wyvern]

you're right

[peak agate]

Good

[timber wyvern]

but kafka is still not my mom

[vagrant fog]

Black Swan is

[quasi chasm]

[orchid hull]

She triggers it yes
75% and 100% of its damage on skill and Ult

[peak agate]

Got it thank you ^_^

[orchid hull]

Which makes DOTs viable since its very slow otherwise

Has to wait for your enemies's turn lmao

[peak agate]

Yeah I hope there’s a denote character one day to unleash chaos

[orchid hull]

None in the foreseeable future kekw

[peak agate]

One day

They’ll skip

[orchid hull]

And even then that's 2 Kafkas for 2 DOTs in MOC

[spiral wolf]

some frends pulled for kafka and benched her saying she mid
I borrowed their account
slap BE sampo and luka
changed their mind

[quasi chasm]

ye like this

[orchid hull]

P much

[spiral wolf]

bleed and wind shear breaks are FAT

[orchid hull]

Bleed especially

HP% based damage baybee

[spiral wolf]

wind shear lasts 1 turn longer so in practice it's not too different, unless you try very hard to reduce cycles then bleed does more damage in shorter amount of time

[orchid hull]

True

Burn is eh, its just Guinaifen giving Firekiss lmao

[peak agate]

[spiral wolf]

the dot supports we have so far, their dots kinda fall off after 2600 ish atk so everything else can go into speed or break effect

[peak agate]

To be honest the more Hp there is the better bleed will be compared to shear

[peak agate]

I don’t think this will change unless skills add more which I don’t think they will

[spiral wolf]

bleed on trash mobs kinda tiny

so wind shear has some advantages

[peak agate]

But on bosses

[peak agate]

Yeah it’s just depends if Hoyo doesn’t make the mistake of putting too large of Hp

[spiral wolf]

i dont understand why you need to 'but xyz' im literally explaining alternatives why it's not always bleed here and it should be obvious a percentage hp is good on large hp

[peak agate]

Because it’s already kinda happening

Like even the little guys have high enough Hp for bleed to keep pace if your using Kafka

[vagrant fog]

[peak agate]

Otherwise

[spiral wolf]

when did anyonne say to not use bleed

[peak agate]

It’s not about not using bleed it’s more so wind shear is about to be kicked to the curb

[spiral wolf]

when a 5* wind dot is around the corner?

[peak agate]

It better be high otherwise

[spiral wolf]

damage per screenshot

[peak agate]

But it’s just my fear talking though

[spiral tendon]

Real

[peak agate]

Like I’m afraid that soon dot will just be dominated by one and I don’t like that. I like seeing different varying dot being used you know

[sudden delta]

How will this happen

Lol

Like they always put bosses with multiple weaknesses

[spiral tendon]

Imaginary dot

Yoooooooo

[spiral wolf]

somebody with both invested argenti and jing yuan actually tested that they did pretty much the same in moc but admit argenti is only slightly better and it's not like erudition just got good overnight

[peak agate]

Well if mihiyo keeps adding enemies with more and more hp the more Hp% is value

[spiral wolf]

so yeah community has quite some peculiar dmg per screenshot fascination/bias

[peak agate]

I have a fear bias lol

From past games

[sudden delta]

[vagrant fog]

u just think too much

this is just mobage

[timber wyvern]

the typical tingyun+bronya+SW support + lord ravager damage-per-screenshot setup

[peak agate]

That too

[spiral tendon]

They dont care about other factor yeah

[peak agate]

But it’s something to think about

[sudden delta]

Not really

[peak agate]

Smh

[vagrant fog]

as long as I clear all the Moc 3*, anything doesnt matter except waifu

[peak agate]

And if it gets to the point you don’t

To be fair this will never happen

[vagrant fog]

then good

[peak agate]

I hope

[vagrant fog]

they have better content at that time then

[sudden delta]

You admit it will never happen so why worry

[vagrant fog]

[peak agate]

True

[peak agate]

It was a sly remark lol

[sudden delta]

:towadheadscratch:

[vagrant fog]

you just worry a lot for something that doesnt exists

[peak agate]

Basically put Mihiyo won’t make enemies so strong that you’ll need to hardcore the game

[peak agate]

I worry about the future man

[timber wyvern]

there's a very big difference between that and doing weird things like dps fu xuan my man

[vagrant fog]

that future doesnt exists

why worry

[peak agate]

I’m not talking about myself

[timber wyvern]

also why mald over moc, if you're pulling for new units just to 3* moc you're making a very big mistake right there

[peak agate]

The game is so easy as long as you got the gear and a strategy you’ll pass

[timber wyvern]

<- someone who doesn't even do moc

[peak agate]

I don’t mald over Moc it’s fun

[peak agate]

Do your Moc for free jade

[spiral wolf]

with moc auto clear you can probably clear just moc7 each time then back to sleep for 420 jades, sounds like a deal

for anyone not currently doing moc

[timber wyvern]

yeah i did until moc8 for that

[peak agate]

Nice

But man I hate it here. I was hoping to get a second main dps on the next banner but now I have to think

[sudden delta]

Just lose the 50/50

[spiral wolf]

thinking is overrated

[peak agate]

I literally cannot

[sudden delta]

Roll harder then

[peak agate]

I already lost it in Hou hou

So basically I can grind for any character I want

[vagrant fog]

there is lot of free DPS too

[spiral wolf]

it's ok to think but sometimes you just let waifu overhelm you

[timber wyvern]

sus

qq

[spiral wolf]

that's da wae

[peak agate]

Sus feels weird to use but when she gets going it feels great

[spiral tendon]

Physical mc

[sudden delta]

Sus is great

Wtf

[peak agate]

I do not want to go back to those days

[peak agate]

I said she feels weird to use not that she’s bad

[spiral wolf]

i never regret e6 sus and bearing the curse of e1 jing yuan as additional sidekick

[spiral tendon]

As long as i can confy qq clear, i dont mind anything

[sudden delta]

They should add auto skip to SU

[peak agate]

No

Read

[spiral wolf]

mf jing yuan is sweeping every calyx for me if not anything else

no need to consider elements

just LL sweep

[sudden delta]

What read

Theres no reading in SU

[peak agate]

But since you had that reaction how to build sus 101 teach me

[peak agate]

Am I the only one that reads the events

[sudden delta]

What event

[peak agate]

[sudden delta]

Im talking regular SU

Weeklies

[peak agate]

Simulated universe right

[sudden delta]

Yes

[peak agate]

Yeah there’s reading

The events that you trigger from the cards

[spiral tendon]

combat

[sudden delta]

That lol

[peak agate]

Yes

[sudden delta]

Also I read everything give me skip

[peak agate]

Ok good

I was about to cry

[fallow delta]

Cant agree more fr fr

[spiral tendon]

Its okay my guy

Play on your own pace

[peak agate]

Sometimes I reread it because I forgor

[peak agate]

I need to speed up

Like it’s embarrassing

[spiral tendon]

really
There no pvp
Only thing you missing is gems from harder content

[peak agate]

I don’t think you understand I can’t do events

I’m very behind

[spiral tendon]

[vagrant fog]

[peak agate]

Yup I need to stop being lazy

[vagrant fog]

then you should do the events first before worrying about the future of this game that doesnt exists yet

[sudden delta]

Fr

[peak agate]

I need to do the main story first before I can do the events

[fallow delta]

Praise the gold and gears event

[spiral wolf]

[vagrant fog]

yeah, I mean whatever it is either main story or events

[sudden delta]

Then go fuckin play

[fallow delta]

Actually giving me some hope in getting rm in case I fail 50/50

[vagrant fog]

holy numbers

[spiral wolf]

break effect tank (with lynx) pmc btw

[sudden delta]

I vowed to not get mad on whoever I get

If I lose the 50/50 so be it

[spiral tendon]

I said that and i got yanqing twice

[fallow delta]

Honestly as long as it’s not yanqing

[spiral tendon]

Explode

[fallow delta]

Im already at e1 yanqing

[vagrant fog]

I will mad if I got Bailu E3

I will book a flight and go to mihoyo HQ

[spiral wolf]

my yq is e1 too if I get another of him I'd hope e2 is the last

[sudden delta]

Unless they release some absolutely broken meta defining character on the level of like, fgo castoria

[spiral wolf]

iirc e2 is recommended eid to play yq proper

[fallow delta]

So many e1 yanqing haver

[sudden delta]

E-1 yanqing here

[formal vector]

don't know if they will release a completely new element like GI's dendro

[spiral tendon]

He suck is one thing but playing him is just not fun

[timber wyvern]

element is one thing

[fallow delta]

The hunt experience

[timber wyvern]

but i can see them adding new path

[spiral tendon]

Like sus is fun

Dan is fine

[formal vector]

new path is great too

[sudden delta]

Sus and dang are good

[spiral wolf]

actually funny one of the smoother yq builds to run is in the night yq with standard crit rate just treating his passive as bonus and just let him get hit when he gets hit

[sudden delta]

I still use them regularly

[vagrant fog]

sus dang
susang

[sudden delta]

Wheres the H

[formal vector]

ejected

[tame flint]

https://fxtwitter.com/FateEilion/status/1736025708336476279?t=s6C4HAJxvJl7S5G_hZtQIA&s=19

[indigo gazelle]

Give me one of those

I’ll trade you a Himeko

I’ll even give you her LC

[orchid hull]

Make it a Seele and we have a deal

No wait

Make it a Clara

I want E1 Clara

Also I have E1 Yanqing

And his LC

It doesnt feel good

[indigo gazelle]

Nah im looking to only part ways with Himeko

[tame flint]

[indigo gazelle]

I prefer to have my team comp to have members that are still alive

[thick ore]

heads up btw

since moc will have 11 and 12

meaning the opponents will have higher levels

so effect hit rate requirement will be a bit higher

[formal vector]

[thick ore]

UNLESS they didnt raise their effect res

[spiral wolf]

imagine hitting 100% effective ehr

[carmine burrow]

My E2 SW at 88 ehr

[spiral wolf]

my march with 69 ehr already freezing enough: just get lucky bro

[indigo gazelle]

My e0 sw at 133ehr

I should pull for sw eidolons
But I also want to gurantee acheron

[thick ore]

i see

[formal vector]

[vagrant fog]

damn

more fodder

[quasi chasm]

is that 1 per reset or 1 per month

[kind valve]

Jokes come true

[orchid hull]

Hmmm

Possibly once per month

Or once per patch

Per rotation is probably a bit too quick

[quasi chasm]

oh ye we also still dont know how much we can get

and can we even wipe that store

[fallow delta]

That’s pretty high

Howmuch dmg increase if the enemy got 20% res

?

Can someone math

[spiral wolf]

istg they are valuing these self modeling resins like pure diamond when what it usually turns into is still bad substats

better than nothing tho

[silent owl]

needs more info because i cant tell what number is what in that

but why is there a 1.36 in the multiplier, and then OP says it's 36% raw increase

was there an additional 11% pen/shred somewhere

[fallow delta]

I dont even know

Just stole this

[silent owl]

anyway the answer to this is "more than 20% dmg increase", that's all i can say without having more info

[spiral wolf]

when you naruhodont math enough to capture math assuming it's enough info

[fallow delta]

[spiral wolf]

i'm assuming the 0.9 is enemy's 10% res before depleting toughness bar

[silent owl]

assuming 20% pen that counters the 20% res exactly, the dmg increase is 1/0.8 = 25%
if it's 25% pen then 31% ish

[spiral wolf]

then 25% does something to 10% res, additive? still doesnt seem to give 36%

[silent owl]

basically give the source

[fallow delta]

Oh wait nvm this is dan heng 36% pen

So is ele pen just straight up dmg%

[spiral wolf]

[fallow delta]

But different

[silent owl]

sort of, yes

if the enemy has no resistance then it's dmg% 2 electric boogaloo

[fallow delta]

So +20% res is -20% dmg taken

Or is it much more

[silent owl]

that's correct

[spiral wolf]

there are res pen, dmg dealt increase (gui firekiss), dmg%

def shred

[fallow delta]

What if the enemy locks their weakness

Does that add 20% res to everything

[silent owl]

idk

[spiral wolf]

will this 🤓 help https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/guides/damage-formula/

[silent owl]

it doesnt cover what happens when toughness bar is guarded (e.g bronya, yq boss)

[spiral wolf]

what I observed it's just as if they didnt have that weakness

when mob is weak they have less resist, when they aren't weak they have normal resist

[silent owl]

in summary, resist pen/shred has the biggest effect on damage per % in the game, even above def pen
when enemy has resistance, it's a more efficient def pen
when enemy has no resistance, it's dmg% 2

[fallow delta]

So it’s the dmg% of dmg%

[spiral wolf]

🤓
RES Multiplier = 100% - (RES% - RES PEN%)

All enemies appear to have a base 20% RES to all elements unless they have innate weaknesses or resistances. If an enemy is weak to an element, then they have 0% RES to that element. If an enemy is resistant to an element, then they have 40% RES to that element.
25% pen against
0% res -> from 100% to 125% (1.25x)
20% res -> from 80% to 105% (1.31x)
40% res -> from 60% to 85% (1.41x)

[fallow delta]

Dmg taken multiplier is counted after res multiplier

Topaz talent is dmg taken right

I thought hanya talent was dmg taken too at first but it’s dmg% buff

[carmine burrow]

Wtf maffs

[vagrant fog]

mom

im scared

[formal vector]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-deleting-my-gifs-dr-ratio-hsr-honkai-star-rail-ratio-gif-8424499491007514422

[spiral wolf]

well now that it's there just say res pen good, relax, and back to slacc and forget about it

[gilded pine]

res pen is very good

[silent owl]

dmg taken is dmg% 3
welt A2 ult, sampo ult, topaz debt, gnf firekiss

[gilded pine]

there's also just very few sources of res pen

which makes it valuable

[flint trail]

I'm out of luck

[ornate bronze]

QQ with 2 SW LC?!?!!!

[flint trail]

Does it help that it was 36th pull?

[ornate bronze]

It's soft pity

And the fact u got two of them

[kind valve]

It helps to make people get more angry at you

[spiral tendon]

36th is not soft pity

That just lucky

[gilded pine]

mods crush skull please, ty

[hollow musk]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-angry-gif-23908392

[quasi chasm]

does ratio need atk

[kind valve]

I mean he is a dps

[worn sable]

sound like a trick question

[ornate bronze]

[quasi chasm]

nvm base on his traces he indeed needs atk

[ornate bronze]

What the fuck

[flint trail]

Not all dps need atk stats

[quasi chasm]

thats right but i forgot we dealing with a hunt character

[kind valve]

Well only blade doesnt really need attack as dps char so far

[ornate bronze]

This will go on ATT% and Speed Surely

[formal vector]

I see there are 3 types of dps atm

pure atk: Kafka or any dot dps
atk + crit: JY, IL, JL, Topaz, Dr L, etc
HP + crit: Blade

[ornate bronze]

I was about to say "Where's Arlan"

Then I remember he doesn't scale on HP

[flint trail]

Who is Arlan?

[formal vector]

next core dps will be solely based on def :inanod:

[ornate bronze]

Vit

[peak agate]

I hope so

[formal vector]

What

[ornate bronze]

I have too much defense

[peak agate]

It’ll be funny

[ornate bronze]

Relic

That has

Best substats

[peak agate]

Krem is ready

[flint trail]

Pure eff res

[formal vector]

Salvage them

[peak agate]

No

[formal vector]

[peak agate]

Keep them

Learn from epic seven players

[ornate bronze]

Vit like I'm not joking

I can send

ALL of my defense relics

Rn

[peak agate]

There will be a unit who scales off defense and it’ll be a dps

It’s just a matter of when

[formal vector]

well, I salvage all def relics on sight

[ornate bronze]

As a matter of fact

I'm planning to build DPS Gepard

[peak agate]

I try to keep some

[formal vector]

I mean, at that point there should be better relic sets specific for them

[peak agate]

Do it

[ornate bronze]

DPS Gepard / DPS FMC

[peak agate]

Fuck that honestly prime and ready

[formal vector]

[peak agate]

Saves you time

[orchid hull]

Mods, banban him

[ornate bronze]

I guess it didn't roll that bad

Sampo build done

[spiral wolf]

truly sampo piece

[rigid current]

ok the Ice match just crushed me, what did u guys do for that

[wooden harness]

1 week

Grrrrrrrrrr

Gotta get Ruan Mei and Xueyi in 30 pulls

[peak agate]

You got this

[worn sable]

firefly

[solar dock]

goofy skirt

[timber wyvern]

Looks like Beatrice from rune factory 5

[rigid current]

Is that pomu?

[tame flint]

I cant even

[timber wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderator-discord-moderator-delete-moderator-snitch-gif-27063075

[carmine burrow]

MODS???

btw is there upcoming x2 SU this week?

[ornate bronze]

uhhh

Was it next patch?

[thick ore]

next patch

[carmine burrow]

ayt

[tame flint]

Maybe i can give this to sw?

[distant vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-wrap-him-up-and-gift-him-to-the-grinch-gif-14687752621353435155

[tame flint]

Its not usable

[sharp kestrel]

Sunday you sure you want to invite Duke Inferno to Penacony

[carmine burrow]

when in next patch is the 2x SU?

[ornate bronze]

When ruan mei banner is almost ending?

Or was it ratio

[carmine burrow]

ahh pretty far then

guess I use the tokens

[silent owl]

Tbh between the Destruction guy and the host that's confident in his planning/power enough to invite the Destruction guy, I'd be more wary of the latter

Inferno's probably getting owned halfway into 2.0 while Sunday is either the jingyuan or the otto of 2.0

The ever-burning clan of fire demons regards Nanook as their emperor and savior, but the Aeon had never glimpsed at them.
Nanook doesnt even give a shit
Nanook actively supports the antimatter legion but completely ignores the annihilation gang

[sharp kestrel]

yea

annihilation gang is the forgotten faction

or the antimatter legion rejects

[fallow delta]

Gallagher

[thick ore]

i mean

acheron is there

so she might have come to slice someone up in penacony

considering what she follows

[sharp kestrel]

and I guess sam is there to prevent penacony from being destroyed unless it's part of the script

[swift spindle]

the IPC was also there

actually

[worn sable]

they are just nanook's fanclub and too scare to join the antimatter legion right ?

[swift spindle]

forgot how the dialogue went but topaz might go to penacony too

[sharp kestrel]

that and the anti-matter legion didn't want them

also finally finished my tutorial

came after managing to finish kafka's % dmg planar set

[unborn stump]

pro

i cant even clear floor 1

[safe oriole]

https://vxtwitter.com/SongjoArts/status/1736588001877078039?t=edqpWq6CmLIEKe7s9bqkog&s=19

[sharp kestrel]

what kind of lie is this

[unborn stump]

yeah cant clear it

no motivation

[swift spindle]

auto clear from floor 1 -6 soon

[astral raptor]

gonna manual final 2 floors >.>

[unborn stump]

yeah that change is really useful

[astral raptor]

auto only got me to 28 stars

[sharp kestrel]

the MOC stage skip is really nice QOL

[thick ore]

ye

though i kinda feel they did that and said its only 1-6 "for now" in the livestream

feels like they plan to expand moc more

[sharp kestrel]

MOC 30 by anni lessgo(?)

[sweet meteor]

❓

[thick ore]

i want a 3 team MoC, gonna pray for that

[sharp kestrel]

also since it'll be MOC 12 I wonder if the scaling will get adjusted too since I suppose bosses will show up at 6/12 now instead of 5/10

[thick ore]

you mean for the effect res?

apparently they didnt change it

for 11 and 12

so no need for more effect hit rate

[sharp kestrel]

well not just effect res just stat blocks overall

[timber wyvern]

No, give it to me

[thick ore]

i mean it should

they are higher level in general

93 and 95

[sharp kestrel]

oh it's 93 95

[orchid hull]

MODS

[indigo gazelle]

Or he succeeds and we get to see why the destruction is such a threat in-universe

Can’t have the heroes winning all the time

Or at least winning without ‘sacrifices’

[rigid current]

I messed up and rolled the wrong banner, suppose to roll for silverwolf

[sudden delta]

you got the hotter girl

[subtle forge]

L

[rigid current]

Hanya? i did want her but doesnt seem hot

[formal vector]

W

[tame flint]

Big oof

He still really good tho

[peak agate]

Meh

I think he’s more fun when you can gain ult super fast

[sudden delta]

https://vxtwitter.com/lblank27/status/1736309220566540751

[thick ore]

i mean he does

his kit generally gives him that much leisure

[frosty bane]

[ornate bronze]

E6S5 argenti is broken in farming

[vagrant fog]

????

any E6S5 is broken against anything

[silent owl]

E0s0 is broken in farming

Man just goes brrrrr

[ornate bronze]

I know but farming

Argenti go spinning 24/7

[rigid current]

kinda wanted a silverwolf more so I can deal with bosses better, since im limited on what elements I can do damage to

[kind valve]

herta is broken too in farming

[vagrant fog]

Herta and Himek

[spiral wolf]

hime k

[carmine burrow]

princess k

[tame flint]

Wait, are you still gonna try getting her?

[rigid current]

im completely out of draws

[tame flint]

[worn sable]

https://vxtwitter.com/DailyHI3Chibi/status/1736645117375848452?s=19

[tame flint]

[peak agate]

Blade is also DPS
But needs HP

[kind valve]

go read what i wrote below that convo

[vagrant fog]

bro wtf

[carmine burrow]

ume ume

[vagrant fog]

I am so good at this game fr

[formal vector]

blue good

[tame flint]

For science

[naive atlas]

This damn raccoon

[indigo gazelle]

Who did u call for help

[frozen fjord]

ffs

is this good

[ornate bronze]

It's good For Seele and YQ

For ratio it isnt

Unfortunately

[frozen fjord]

i have seele lc

no yq

[ornate bronze]

Oh so it's useless

[frozen fjord]

ill dump it on sus or dh or something

[ornate bronze]

Sushang would benefit it alot

DH idk

If he's properly build with his eidolon then yeah

[frozen fjord]

ack

[ornate bronze]

[frozen fjord]

swordplay still better on sus

at s5

[ornate bronze]

Do u have it S5

[frozen fjord]

no

[ornate bronze]

If it isn't S5 then use it on sushang

Actually

I would rather use SLtD more than swordplay

[frozen fjord]

nvm

im not building sus

fuck the boxing relics

[ornate bronze]

Just because swordplay passive sucks

It's good tho

U get both attack relica

Relics

[frozen fjord]

no, im still not done building clara cuz of boxing set

why would i bother farming for sus anyway

[ornate bronze]

Ngl

I would rather use the HP set u get for clara

Longevous

[frozen fjord]

thats just crit doe

phys dmg + 5 * 5%atk sounds lot better for clara since she does most of the counters

[ornate bronze]

Yeahhh but

U get like two things that are useful

Support set + DPS set

[ornate bronze]

And also

It's a 10% dmg difference

[kind valve]

doesnt phys drop break set too

you can use break set as supp or dps too

[odd quarry]

Is this useful for anyone?

[timber wyvern]

any ideas on who to put for nihility

asta?

SW is pretty useless against yq

[carmine burrow]

SU?

[timber wyvern]

regular SU

[carmine burrow]

kafka already carries there

[timber wyvern]

this thing appears too much

[rigid bison]

Drop Sampo, it won't

[carmine burrow]

adding asta wouldn't really help you since she can't break the swords

[rigid bison]

Surely

[timber wyvern]

the last run i brought yukong to break the swords

but she's kinda hard to use since e2

[carmine burrow]

as long as she breaks, the sword, it is fine

technically, SW can also break them since she inserts weakness

[timber wyvern]

wow that's rare

oh SW can do that?

TIL

the last event missing

[carmine burrow]

yeah, she can insert weakness and break them or other members depending on what is inserted

[timber wyvern]

ok i'll just bring SW then

this is the driest SU run i had so far

[peak agate]

Give to Blade

[spiral tendon]

xueyi can use salsotto, and her rope should be break effect

[odd quarry]

anyone else who can use it in my tiny roster?

[spiral tendon]

so if you want to build her next patch

[peak agate]

Only 2 subs will be usefull for her

[spiral tendon]

and you gonna give it to blade??

break effect?

[carmine burrow]

SW or Asta can use it

[spiral tendon]

it literally 4.3% hp

[carmine burrow]

disregard the set bonus for now

it has good stats

[odd quarry]

I'll keep all of that in mind, thanks guys

[spiral tendon]

👍

[tame flint]

Seele

[tame flint]

Probably for the upcoming 4 star unit xueyi

[indigo gazelle]

I called lynx

She gave me the “pathetic” look

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-reactioj-anime-reaction-anime-honest-funny-roblox-gif-24898939

[indigo gazelle]

Lynx is more mean that I thought she would be

[carmine burrow]

where is that from?

[indigo gazelle]

The pillars of creation site

There’s a fence you can ‘interact’ with

[quasi chasm]

[fallow delta]

I called hook

Hook so cute

[indigo gazelle]

https://youtu.be/4v0M7_XEOcA?si=OxQvSvf-ABvy1na1

[fresh juniper]

i officially now have fallen into the rabbit hole of star rail

[quasi chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/omaru-polka-hololive-vtuber-smile-gif-24208956

[wooden harness]

Note is here

[indigo gazelle]

went back and started reading the ghost event posts.... wtf

[naive atlas]

[indigo gazelle]

[wooden harness]

what if

crossover

wait a minute

[orchid hull]

Free 5* soon, great timing

[wooden harness]

Isn't Ratio free for 6 months

because until 2.1 I think

[spiral tendon]

huh, reading kits again
I think xueyi need atk% orb

[indigo gazelle]

one step ahead of you

[spiral tendon]

diminishing return noooo

[wooden harness]

Does.....Welt count as one?

[indigo gazelle]

yes

[orchid hull]

[indigo gazelle]

its alright

forget about the meta

life becomes easier that way

[orchid hull]

I'm not getting Xueyi next patch

[spiral tendon]

this is not about meta

[orchid hull]

Skipping for Black Swan

[spiral tendon]

this is about minmaxing your main for no reason

[orchid hull]

Cause

[indigo gazelle]

hmm

it'll prob be a while until acheron drops

i'll just take this oppurtunity to get more lynx eidolons from SW banner

[fresh juniper]

dont worry

[spiral tendon]

*more SW eidolons for you

[fresh juniper]

im probably gonna stick around until i get kafka

[indigo gazelle]

im not that lucky

although losing the 50/50 will gurantee me acheron i guess

ok this game wont stop giving me asta

im 70 pulls in

[quasi chasm]

7 more for 5 star

[indigo gazelle]

if i win the 50/50 i might not get acheron

[fallow delta]

Nah you’d win

[quasi chasm]

make sure to pick the right banner cus someone here accidentally pulled on the wrong banner and get argenti

[indigo gazelle]

sounds to me like a skill issue

fuck it, i got 12k left

surely i can get to 16k again by acheron

[ornate bronze]

So u can get ratio

That is to say u can do the story fast

[indigo gazelle]

75 pulls for u to come home again. Why are bronyas so stubborn

[ornate bronze]

[quasi chasm]

pog a win

[ornate bronze]

I wonder who could that be

[fallow delta]

See

[indigo gazelle]

well time to grind to 6k jades again to gurantee the pity

hopefully i win the 50/50

well with gift of oddysey, prob wont be too bad

[fallow delta]

Sure

Surely it wont be bad

[spiral tendon]

I feels lucky today

time to fodder stuff

[naive atlas]

E6S5?

[quasi chasm]

i upgraded his lc and now this

[spiral tendon]

ah screw it, I'm farming talia

[naive atlas]

scampo

[indigo gazelle]

stop

[naive atlas]

I'm kidding, you don't spend on anything other than H3rd

[spiral tendon]

2 flat atk and def

Its over

[orchid hull]

A placeholder then a fodder

[spiral tendon]

I have an alright salsotto

but my Break effect is so low rn 😔

[tight condor]

Nice E2 onya

Now i can pick clara for E1

[formal vector]

nice

[peak agate]

Bruh not the broken farm

But nah it’s just fun seeing him go brrrrr

[vagrant fog]

E2 Bronya

[peak agate]

Oooooo

[sudden delta]

almost cleared MOC8 again

think I can clear if it I keep upgrading bit by bit

[kind valve]

You might want to start looking for decent piece on substats too not just mainstat for higher tier moc if you are still struggling

[spiral tendon]

done with event

that was fun

[spiral tendon]

112 pull for xueyi

[fallow rose]

Pretty good, could use better substats on my streetwise boxing set

[tame flint]

[rigid current]

wat is the planar set?

[vagrant fog]

https://youtu.be/30CHXauRIs0

5* QQ

[naive atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/qingque-honkai-star-rail-honkai-star-rail-angry-birds-gif-4332136470234486438

[silent hill]

i missed these funny stuff with dumpsters

[fallow rose]

Inert

[timber wyvern]

[kind valve]

speed boots instead of attack boots ?

[timber wyvern]

the wind fight in the fight club is ehhh...

or maybe i just selected wrong buffs

[frosty bane]

Argenti quite lacking atk in his kit, and he’s burst type dps so atk boots should be better

[rigid current]

question: who are the wind units we have at the moment

[vagrant fog]

lot of yellow

[fallow rose]

Yeah

[vagrant fog]

I wanna try to put ATK boots on Argenti tho

those 600k damage on Dreamy video looks insane

[kind valve]

my argenti is still doodoo

😔

[vagrant fog]

mine too

[silent owl]

so far the atk boot users are still just qq and daniel
you still want spd on argenti so he gets more turns and more energy regen chances

[rigid current]

i guess im saving for black swan, im solely lacking wind break

.....when is black swam

[timber wyvern]

2.0

[rigid current]

shit

[timber wyvern]

in 12 weeks

[fallow delta]

Maybe try using 3 support

[vagrant fog]

well ofc

But I only get DEF boots so far

[kind valve]

umeume

[vagrant fog]

wtf

I didnt get any umeume relic since 3 days ago

[karmic venture]

I can't believe that I actually get one of my favourite characters that I want

[rigid current]

hmmm not sure if i should invest in all my harmonies or focus on argenti

or perfect clara and topaz

[fallow delta]

Considering we’ll be getting ratio

Maybe topaz is a good choice

Is topaz+ratio good

[orchid hull]

Very

ST shred

[silent owl]

depends on what you mean by "perfect"
if lv/lc/traces are already done and you're just rolling for substats, getting harmony/argenti up is more efficient

[frosty bane]

Try to work on second team for MoC is better than trying to perfect your first team when your second team struggle

[rigid current]

lc and traces are not done(what is considered done for traces) but other then planar set, the 4 pc for both clara and topaz is trash

they both still using purple boots cause i cant get the right boots for them

that is for main stat

[solar dock]

L + ratio (wants those mats) + bozo

[thick ore]

mfer

[vagrant fog]

for JY

[carmine burrow]

I have same one for Topaz and it rolled really well

[kind valve]

Honestly i would take that lol

I used err on my clara if i do hypercarry topaz

[vagrant fog]

ERR on who???

[kind valve]

Err on clara

She help me clear moc 10 before

Clara lynx ty topaz

[carmine burrow]

mishi wtf

[carmine burrow]

I will open a ticket

[tame flint]

What's this copium build

[carmine burrow]

get this man banned

[kind valve]

Ty to buff topaz and clara can do 3 turn ult

With err

It workd lol

[tame flint]

Does she need to cast her ult that frequently

[kind valve]

Well yes

Big damage

[vagrant fog]

Alright

I am apllying as mod right now and ban mishi later

[kind valve]

I used attack rope with her before but it doesnt meet the turn lim8t

[carmine burrow]

mishi

we call that skill issue

[kind valve]

Well yes im skill issued thats why i find another way

[tame flint]

I think you just need a better attack rope

[vagrant fog]

just get ATK rop with ERR substat, duh

[carmine burrow]

yeah, go to genshin and get that atk rope with ERR substat

[kind valve]

[solar dock]

what's ur clara stats

[kind valve]

Let me check

[tame flint]

Ill do you a better one

[vagrant fog]

wtf

[kind valve]

It cause i used two dps not a single hypercarry lol

[vagrant fog]

mod

[carmine burrow]

mods???

[kind valve]

Ok time to ban you mai

[solar dock]

ooh wait ban me too

no new gear to flex unfortunately

[kind valve]

with attack rope

[solar dock]

hey that's pretty good

[kind valve]

yeah but not good enough to meet 10 turn limit

using err is much better

cause ty to buff topaz

[solar dock]

I use clara with either yanqing or luka as filler single target and that's been working

[rigid current]

how to get that crit damage

[solar dock]

clara luocha tingyun + someone else

but yeah your tingyun is on topaz team so I kinda get it

[kind valve]

no lol they are on the same team

[solar dock]

oh

[vagrant fog]

https://youtu.be/Ci07sexmED8

[kind valve]

clara, lynx, ty, topaz

[rigid current]

does numby trigger tingyun benediction?

[vagrant fog]

oh she have E1 HuoHuo, the SPD buff just too good

[kind valve]

yes

[rigid current]

that is facinating

[tame flint]

Oh wait

I can use this for sub dps xueyi

[kind valve]

all the buff you give to topaz transfered to numby side from speed

[solar dock]

your clara better than mine actually

[vagrant fog]

[solar dock]

I've not been grinding gear since what I have rn works fine

[carmine burrow]

my Clara is worse than this and perfroms better with ERR topaz

[worn sable]

aw, standard give me cone

[solar dock]

my standard has been all cones except bailu

[kind valve]

just get this kind of plnar

[tame flint]

[rigid current]

fck rerolling that hurts

[kind valve]

well i prefer to buff topaz instead of clara cause my clara isnt e1

if she is e1 i wouldve buff her instead of topaz

[tame flint]

Just whel mishi

[kind valve]

give me 💸

[vagrant fog]

here

[tame flint]

No

[vagrant fog]

* 1000

[solar dock]

why is it always this exact piece that I roll crazy crit on

[kind valve]

Id take it

Thats a really good roll lol

[solar dock]

I have the same mask with 29 cdmg

and 3 crit rate

not complaining though

[worn sable]

oh god ... Clara only has 90 base spd

[solar dock]

she doesn't really need speed

[worn sable]

the new plana set need it

[solar dock]

but ye pretty low base

[worn sable]

7spd more for 135spd

[kind valve]

She need abit of speed if you dont have someone who doesnt let her get attacked

Cause on some round she got no turn

[solar dock]

I simply make her get attacked with the force of my mind

[kind valve]

Thats my experience using 90 s clara

[solar dock]

also I just throw tingyun ult on her

that's good too

[kind valve]

My ty is for topaz

[solar dock]

oh for sure

I am 100% slotting dr ratio in there and giving tingyun to him when he's out

le phys team

[kind valve]

I have been holding off on building luka but with addiction of hanya a team like
Hanya luka and sushang sounds good for phys boss

[solar dock]

i've been kinda underwhelmed by luka but maybe mine isn't that great

feels like setting up his dot is just a waste of time

ok yeah I can still upgrade his traces

[tame flint]

Sus piece

[frosty bane]

He’s a sub dps, don’t expect him to do crazy dmg constantly

[vagrant fog]

bu-but

that Luka trial can dealt 150k damage on basic attack

[orchid hull]

He's more of a Subdps breaker

[solar dock]

I raised him for kafka team but ended up running sampo instead

now I just put him with clara occasionally

though his ult is good regardless

[frosty bane]

Sampo is better aoe, Luka is better sinple target, they have different elements anyway so choose the one suit the fight

[spiral wolf]

altho it's kinda crazy thinking about it, dreamy is fighting for erudition for like 5 patches so people that are convinced would already be convinced by now

[sudden delta]

Its possible my relics arent entirely set up correctly but I dont feel like being mocked by everyone here again so I'll just deal with it. Im inching closer to actually clearing moc8 with my current setup so a bit more stat raising/trial and error might solve this

[spiral wolf]

moc got harder over patches too and atm 8,9,10 feels like similar investment needed

pretty good chance you'll just one day clear all three

[sudden delta]

If someone would be willing to sit down and help me work on my relics setup (Cuz I obvously got a decent amount of characters) Id be glad

quick question regarding TY, can two allies have benediction at the same time? or does casting it on one ally remove it from the other?

[solar dock]

only one at a time

[sudden delta]

thanks

[tough condor]

Skipping RM thighs and midriff smh

[vagrant fog]

post it here

[sudden delta]

no I dont feel like having the same experience as when I posted my LCs here again. thanks

[naive atlas]

What's your main team?

[sudden delta]

ill post in a sec

If I had JY this would be easy

[spiral wolf]

which side is taking longer to clear

[sudden delta]

I feel like Im consistently like one turn off with 2

[naive atlas]

I'm guessing Svarog because he said if he had Jing Yuan it would be easier

And that's the only place you'd use him here

[carmine burrow]

who has stronger stuff: blade or serval?

[sudden delta]

define stuff

[carmine burrow]

like stats, lc, etc.

[spiral wolf]

who is more unga bunga

[sudden delta]

I think blade?

in the middle of a team 1 run so give me a sec

[carmine burrow]

I forgot but what are the elements of the hands again?

I just remember quantum and lightning

[sudden delta]

fire quantum lightning

or wind...?

[carmine burrow]

ohh it is quantum wind lightning

[sudden delta]

checked my stats, serval is slightly stronger than blade

[carmine burrow]

you have SW, right? I forgot

[sudden delta]

yes

[carmine burrow]

can you try if you can change that blade to SW?

[sudden delta]

I can try

wish there was an easy way to getting my relic info like with LCs

is there an easy way to see whats the mainstat on each one?

like, all of them at once

[kind valve]

what do you mean?

well you can only check on the equipment windoes or invent

honestly for dps its usually pretty simple

[carmine burrow]

I'll try same comp with this scuffed serva

[spiral wolf]

they could make alternative view where it shows mainstat% instead of showing +15 but nah dont think they have it

[kind valve]

check if the dps is crit based or not
yes > crit body, speed/attack boots , elemental orb, attack rope

[sudden delta]

as I said, I'll be glad to go over my stuff if someone is willing to help me through this in DMs

Im not doing it here

[kind valve]

lol i can do it later but not now if its going all over it

[sudden delta]

Its not urgent or anything

[spiral wolf]

smh who bully here

[kind valve]

but this should be simple enough as it is

if the dps is dot based
attack body , speed boots, element orb , attack/break rope (preferably attack)

dont need to care about set too much

[spiral wolf]

consider break rope for phys/wind

[kind valve]

just get good mainstats and substats

[naive atlas]

just sacc

[sudden delta]

another question: for buffs that last X turns like benediction, do ults count for those turns?

[naive atlas]

No

Oh wait

[carmine burrow]

1 cycle on first team since that is too cracked lol so roughly 6 - 7 cycles on 2nd huh...

[carmine burrow]

the buff is there but the counter won't go down

[sudden delta]

thats what im asking, thanks

[naive atlas]

Turn based buffs don't get consumed by ults, no

But per attack ones sure do

[carmine burrow]

yeah, it only counts turns

ults technically don't count as one

[sudden delta]

I wasnt sure since they appear on the "turn order" thing and all

[carmine burrow]

resurgence (seele) also doesn't count

[naive atlas]

my turn gaming

[safe oriole]

As a Clara main I implore the mods to deal with this

[spiral wolf]

there's that one thing if you press asta's ult on someone else's turn the turn count doesn't get reduced on that turn either so turn counting is kinda all over the place

[wooden harness]

I just activate Asta's ult when available

[spiral wolf]

like holding asta's ult until the carry's turn so the carry gets longer speed buff

[sudden delta]

I actually was wodnering about that

[naive atlas]

Honestly Asta's ult just works in mysterious ways

[sudden delta]

like if asta's turn is before everyoen else, is there a point in using asta's ult?

[naive atlas]

You can move everyone forward before any enemy acts I guess?

[carmine burrow]

the foolproof way is activating it on the carry's turn

the optimal ways are.. uhh... too many lol

I just unga bunga it and just activate it when I want to go ahead

[naive atlas]

Activate it off cooldown

[carmine burrow]

like before 2nd wave, you want to have asta's ult so you can activate it before turns start

[spiral wolf]

ye fast asta that can ult after turn 1 can help whole team act before enemy without investing ludicrous speed

other than that usually it's ult on carry's turn

[orchid hull]

Fullproof way is to pop it when its your DPS's turn

[carmine burrow]

salt, that's what I wrote

[orchid hull]

Did I stutter

[carmine burrow]

fullproof
you did

[spiral wolf]

it's so correct everyone needs to say it

[silent owl]

you cant see the mainstat of everything, but you can filter your relics by mainstat and/or substats and see only the ones with e.g. atk%