Honkai: Star Rail (Old)

[tame flint]

My glasscannon tingyun didn't even die once

From the robot ipc boss

[fallow delta]

What’s the buff

Im in eu cant check

[tame flint]

Basically for every skill and ult that hits the enemies

You gain one stack, maxes at 10

Then at the end of the turn, the enemies takes dmg based on their max hp

[fallow delta]

Howmuch hp

Pray tell

[tame flint]

Not mentioned

[fallow delta]

Smh

[tame flint]

It gets strong tho if your dps spams their skill

Can easily get like 50k dmg per turn from it

[fallow delta]

[tame flint]

It bounces tho if there are multiple enemies

[fallow delta]

So only useful for seele

[tame flint]

That's what i did

[peak agate]

So what I’m hearing is

Bronya and Jingliu time

[tame flint]

Is your moc even opened yet

[fallow delta]

It did say at the end of the turn

And jingliu advance forward is another turn

You cant really stack a lot of it with jingliu but I guess it’s still useful

Whose moc buff even is this

[naive atlas]

Doesn't Jingliu's enhance mode still count as skill?

[tame flint]

As long as its a skill that hits the enemies

I used sushang as sub dps on my other team

There were also tons of bosses with physical weakness so..

[fallow delta]

Wait is it only skill and ult

Rip imbibitor lunae

Or blade

[tough condor]

If I got bronya then my JL could get 3 free turns at start of battle

[ornate bronze]

MoC Reset???

[tame flint]

I used my blade, with sus sub dps

[peak agate]

Should be I’m En unless it’s specific

[peak agate]

Are you still feeling Eepy

[frozen fjord]

curios how well can i go with this one starting on domain 1

[silent hill]

my strategy to control my compulsive impulses

[frozen fjord]

gonna fight the deer with only these 3

[carmine burrow]

ohh wait MoC already changed to 1 boss in every floor including floors 1 - 5?

[formal vector]

real?

[carmine burrow]

I mean I don't need to hit 2

I only see one standing lol

[formal vector]

wtf it's real

qol

eos

[frosty bane]

We will be able to fast clear 1-5 anyway in 1.6

[quasi chasm]

wait moc reset today?

[tough condor]

1 boss only ? this mean I can clear MoC now

I only have JL as dps, clara and topaz still in building phase

[rigid current]

wouldnt JL be good against multiple bosses

[frozen fjord]

are the mobs the same?

huh

[formal vector]

How does this buff specifically benefit Huohuo

[frozen fjord]

and yes, they come in waves now

[spiral wolf]

is this sushang buff

[formal vector]

if anything, it encourages people use Huohuo instead of Luocha

[rigid current]

what if no huo huo

[formal vector]

you're doomed this cycle

[frozen fjord]

oh god ok

[spiral wolf]

didnt realize it's already reset time, just started my SU weeklies

[formal vector]

/

[frozen fjord]

the turbulence procs at the start of the next cycle

so u really had to accumulate at most 10

[quasi chasm]

oh looks like its indeed reset today

[rigid current]

what makes huohuo able to do this well

[frozen fjord]

wait no, it procs before the start of the next cycle

[formal vector]

[frozen fjord]

needs skill/ult to accumulate

[rigid current]

if its number of hits or attacks wouldnt follow up attacks help

[formal vector]

oh right, her ult regene energy

[rigid current]

so next best is hyper charge tingyun?

[formal vector]

so, she contributes a bit to this cycle's buff

[carmine burrow]

yeah, but if it kills using that, it will still be counted as next cycle kill

[spiral wolf]

well it's good that they dont try to make the buff too obvious or obvious but generic enough

[carmine burrow]

the permanent transcendent compo is pretty ntus lol

Huohuo/Tingyun/Pela/Jing Liu

[frozen fjord]

the fuck

[formal vector]

I use them but can't do the combo

[tough condor]

bronya where

[frozen fjord]

blade's enhance atk doesnt count towards the turbulence

[carmine burrow]

don't need Bronya if you are forver transcendent lol

my huohuo still slow tho

[frozen fjord]

she didnt even summon one but ok

[rigid current]

MOC?

[frozen fjord]

got it from moc

5 procs of turbulence

kinda mid tbh

oh wait no wonder

[tough condor]

||huh do we got insaquarium event|| in 1.6

[carmine burrow]

it's bleed on steroids

[frozen fjord]

i can see it do be good on later stages

oh hell nah

tingyun's ult and skill doesnt count towards turbulence

[formal vector]

???

[silent hill]

sushang was badass on the event lore

[formal vector]

why?

does any other non damage skill/ult count?

[frozen fjord]

i have no clue

bronya counts

which is weird

[rigid current]

maybe only non targeted skill works

[spiral wolf]

[formal vector]

weird

[rigid current]

considering the amount of damage from the field, guess this is possible to do if there was a survival based team option

[frozen fjord]

clara's ult doesnt work towards turbulence either

[rigid current]

i think anything that targets a single person doesnt work

[frozen fjord]

seems like

lynx' heal doesnt work either

they should clarify this turbulence properly lol

[frozen fjord]

ok was wrong, bronya's skill doesnt work either

[rigid current]

ok what works

[real surge]

wait what i haven't done any of last moc stages

[thick ore]

if your in Asia its too late

if your in EU or NA, you should still be good

[formal vector]

lmao, only fmc ult increased the counter, so only damage skills/ults do

[vale breach]

what is this triple defenses 1 buff team

[spiral wolf]

after 1.6 they'll have new moc/aoe thingy still come in every 2 weeks right

but each one will last 1 month

[frozen fjord]

only benefits huohuo's burst this moc

[formal vector]

I'm testing the buff

[spiral wolf]

k am done with SU runs

time to mald (or not)

sounds like sus moc to me if mob weakness allows

[frozen fjord]

it does seems like damage dealing skills/ult procs

[spiral wolf]

she can skill ult skill without spending a skill point

[frozen fjord]

norway its a seele moc

[spiral wolf]

and pela moc too

[formal vector]

weird ahh buff

[spiral wolf]

specifically pela wind set

[frozen fjord]

inb4 dhil's 3-charged atk only counts as one

or unless it doesnt

[spiral wolf]

dhil doesn't even count as skill

isn't it all basic

[frozen fjord]

yea

so as blade

[formal vector]

so real

[silent hill]

pardon

[stuck merlin]

[silent hill]

it is sad guina has a reasonable quantity of haters in this event

[frozen fjord]

ok good svarog only has one phase in moc8

moc is kinda auto'able til 8

[pearl locust]

context?

[thick ore]

this MoC is quite different huh

[stuck merlin]

I'm guessing he means in the in-game social platform

[worn sable]

and stay down, kozo

[silent hill]

those event's posts

[silent hill]

exactly

[pearl locust]

[silent hill]

[real surge]

||Gui become pretty famous in the event. She got fan and evenly anti-fan ||

[silent hill]

||the people hate are died inside||

[worn sable]

well the event is about a streamer so there will be hater and delu fan

[real surge]

|| Gui's takes on hardcore-fan remind me of Suisei ||

[worn sable]

it even touch the parasocial stuff a bit

[real surge]

||Straight to the point, almost brutal.||

[thick ore]

ah so 10 is the max

[thick ore]

full auto'd still, but was fun seeing that thing though

[formal vector]

pro

[silent hill]

[orchid hull]

DHIL skill doesnt work as expected

Since its not considered using a skill

[vagrant fog]

Dhil D tier

[orchid hull]

Kafka fits really well in this MoC

Many Lightning Weak + DoT element weak units

JL as well

[quasi chasm]

must pull and protecc

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/sushang-my-beloved-picmix-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-gif-4271376182397361193

[carmine burrow]

Sus is surprisingly good in this MoC coz lots of physical weakness in prep for Argenti lol

[tame flint]

Sus was good in my comp because she can abuse the skill points

She also has 140 spd so

[silent hill]

i need to be strong to resist the tentation...

[tame flint]

Nah, my man is enjoying too much

[silent hill]

my cute little fox is protected now

[rigid current]

she isnt safe as long as she has the tail no?

[tame flint]

Tail is her protection now

If it calls for it... He'll possess her body to protect her

[spiral wolf]

oh did they change 3 star requirement to 20 cycles every floor

[silent hill]

yeah

but ||he backed to her after the final battle against Cirrus||

i tried my luck shot to get huohuo with only 10 pulls but it didn't work

[formal vector]

not a luck shot then

[silent hill]

now I've 180 ticket

[quasi chasm]

targets fofo
hits shampoo

[silent hill]

only in my dreams

[silent hill]

even the AI wants to protect her

btw i only realized now if i will use FX with Serval it would be better for serval if FX uses the full disciple set

[silent owl]

what

[naive atlas]

good

[worn sable]

that target is for his ult

[quasi chasm]

dint know that

he died before he does the ult

[worn sable]

stop killing him so fast

[quasi chasm]

now that i actually dont afk it is his ult

wait do we really need to do something here daily?

[vagrant fog]

lmao no

[thick ore]

surely moc 11 and 12 will make me not use auto

[quasi chasm]

whats the enemy on moc 10

[thick ore]

i forgor

give me a minute

[thick ore]

lmao

[quasi chasm]

can you show the recommend element too

[quasi chasm]

thanks

[tame flint]

Yeah not 16 anymore

[thick ore]

oh shit they did

did not notice that

[quasi chasm]

but atleast they dint make the enemies 2 tho

first stage is just a single enemy standing menacingly

scawy

[fallow delta]

Oh wait that’s moc 10?

[tame flint]

Sushang sweep this reset

[vagrant fog]

oh Phys and Fire

my Topaz and half baked Clara will cooking

[frosty bane]

This MoC element is too easy

[rigid bison]

Just... Why

[vagrant fog]

Critka

[indigo gazelle]

Congrats

[quasi chasm]

cope for spd

[tame flint]

Congratulations

[spiral tendon]

Serval piece wow

[indigo gazelle]

Maybe there will be a dot character in the future that scales of of hp

[vagrant fog]

[quasi chasm]

if its scale with hp then the 2p will be useless for them
then again the 4p is what matter

[vagrant fog]

Hunt char based on Effect Res

[orchid hull]

Done, ez

[rigid bison]

Surely this will result in at least 1 good piece for Topaz or Himeko

[quasi chasm]

it seems that i cant full auto moc 10

[kind valve]

Pro

I can only auto up to 7 😔

[vagrant fog]

pro

[formal vector]

is there any good video for Huohuo + JL team?

[carmine burrow]

Search for huohuo pokke

The compo is perma transcendent
Huohuo/Tingyun/JL/Pela

[formal vector]

[vagrant fog]

where is Bronya

[carmine burrow]

You might want S1 Huohuo with ERR tho

[kind valve]

Bronya bad

[carmine burrow]

Dont need Bronya if you are perma transcendent anyway

I have that compo with my not fully built Huohuo with S2 Post Op

I can go perma but needs RNG

You want S1 Huohuo with ERR so you can QEAE for 3 turn ult

[vagrant fog]

wtf is QEAE

Elon new son name?

[carmine burrow]

Yeah

[formal vector]

speak in mobile language please

[carmine burrow]

Ult/Skill/Attack/Skill cycle

You are 1 energy short if using S5 post op lol

[formal vector]

s2 post op gang

[carmine burrow]

In any case, it is a strong compo

Another one is Kafka/DoT/Asta/Huohuo

Seggs might be best since you can go penacony on Asta

[spiral wolf]

am so bad at fighting bug

[pearl locust]

ive done all double planar attempts today, nothing of value came out

[silent owl]

auto'd to 10-1 then decided i do not trust auto pela against the bug

[spiral tendon]

I dont have good phys to fight gepard

oh right mono quant

[inner plaza]

what boots do i put for topaz

is it speed or atk

[spiral tendon]

spd

i think you can use atk when you have follow up in your team, like march/clara

[inner plaza]

[vagrant fog]

ATK

[quasi chasm]

ez

done a noob mistake tho
my kafka died on first half and i forgot you cant do that
so now i have to restart the whole stage

[quasi chasm]

oh its cus of this

[sharp kestrel]

Retreat! They're all dead!

[inner plaza]

god i hope the relic scorer is nice on my topaz build

[hoary shard]

huh, thanks standard

[sharp kestrel]

Must be nice

Meanwhile my standard gave me another Himeko

Lightcone

[fallow delta]

I pray they give me bronya lc

In standard

[indigo gazelle]

I pray for that as well

[inner plaza]

SHEESH

ill take it

[vagrant fog]

wtf

mods

[inner plaza]

hey man let me take this dub

all my other relics get the short end of the stick

[formal vector]

etf

[sharp kestrel]

no dubs

any dubs are bans

call the mods

[unborn stump]

wait

did moc reset

[quasi chasm]

ye

[unborn stump]

shit

i din do last reset

bricked acount

[carmine burrow]

Mods???

[subtle forge]

Not that crazy

[fallow delta]

Fr

Crit rate body

[spiral tendon]

this moc made me realized that my qq still suck ass

[spiral wolf]

my yq suck ass

[spiral tendon]

meh no atk

😭

[kind valve]

Finally got paas 200% cdamage

[spiral wolf]

mods where- oh

[spiral tendon]

administrator!!

[spiral wolf]

this game bruh

relic farm is so malding how to sacc

[vagrant fog]

meh

inferior set

[fringe stone]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/481364

[formal vector]

that looks good

[kind valve]

I just got new cowboy pieces from the weekly boss

Im not gonna farm relics yet until i make luocha and blade lvl 80

Busy farming exp and traces

[rigid current]

would it trigger banhammer?

[hoary shard]

man, i need a better part 1

[fringe stone]

been using mods for months and nah, just don't be stupid and do anything other then skin mods or show screenshots with your uid with mods in them

[ornate bronze]

U can't mod on mobile so

[quasi chasm]

[ornate bronze]

[kind valve]

Pro cawffie

[spiral tendon]

damn you hoyo, increase enemies's hp and also decrease turns

I think true sting have 100k more hp or smth

[kind valve]

I will fail it then
Me noob 😔

[thick ore]

poor blade guys

[quasi chasm]

they still use blade as dps?

[thick ore]

not me

[quasi chasm]

pro dps bronya

[silent owl]

blade cant stack the buff
not because of the skill/ult mechanic but because the enemies are already dead

[spiral tendon]

real

[thick ore]

though i really shouldnt say much, my blades e1. guys ult hits hard af

[spiral wolf]

this moc buff is pretty meh

[kind valve]

Whats your qq cr cdamage onyan?

[spiral tendon]

cr

[orchid hull]

I still used DHIL kekw

[spiral wolf]

to get the most out of it gotta kill the small mobs first so everything goes to the elite

[kind valve]

80/160 ?

[spiral tendon]

I could use cdamage, but 75 crit rate is too low for me

[kind valve]

Ssg pro

[spiral tendon]

So i use crate body instead

[thick ore]

its funny when i see this with jl.... but then jl kills them before i saw it triggers

[kind valve]

My qq is still 70/110 😔

[spiral tendon]

with fuxuan c1, its good enough ig

I still dont have cri rate body with crit dmg sub

[spiral wolf]

i tried using yq in one run and jy in another for the bug and they take same time to clear cuz with yq he doesn't kill small bugs and all the moc buff stacks went to bugs instead of boss
while for jy he does less st dmg to boss but he kills all bugs before the moc buff triggers so all damage stacks went to the boss

[spiral tendon]

conclusion

yq suck

and jy suck

[kind valve]

Oh you have jy lc smh

[spiral wolf]

yeah both suck on my account

[kind valve]

Free 30 cdamage

[spiral tendon]

Imagine

anything for qq

[spiral wolf]

you have opposite of what I have

I have a jy with qq bp lc

[spiral tendon]

I wanna get the bp too

cuz the art is cute

[spiral wolf]

i'll have s5 of it soonTM

[kind valve]

Ssg s5 jy lc

[spiral wolf]

no

[spiral tendon]

maybe one day

qq will have a better one to use eventually

[kind valve]

Building qq sucks cause she have no cdamage or crate trace 😔

[spiral tendon]

she have massive atk, I'll take that

[spiral wolf]

my qq 4pc quality is F

just main stat

[kind valve]

fuck you too game

[spiral wolf]

rolls like these tempts me to uninstall game why is genshin feature in here

[spiral tendon]

this is truly our genshin impact

[kind valve]

Im actually still using that piece cause thats the only quantum orb i have with crit

Its 2.3 crate base

[spiral tendon]

even with fuxuan buff on crit, it still so much lower than crit rate body

and lower atk 😔

[sudden delta]

fuckin finally

any tips for this one?

[kind valve]

Take elation or abundance

Elation cause gamba for money

Abundance just so you get more tiles and more income

I cleared it with elation

[spiral wolf]

spend no fragments during run and hope to get the curio that gives 50% fragments near the end of the run

[spiral tendon]

cry

[spiral wolf]

pro

[worn sable]

https://vxtwitter.com/MarinLiekuriva/status/1728974470583582808

[quasi chasm]

her spd got increased

+4

[vagrant fog]

wtf zooming

[ornate bronze]

Ircc

U need only 160.1+

Speed to be able to get more turns

[kind valve]

You shouldnt need effect hit rate body with before tutorials right?

[thick ore]

161

for consistent 2 actions per turn

[worn sable]

plz last upgrade go to %atk again

[orchid hull]

GIB

[vagrant fog]

and its flat HP

[fallow delta]

This moc feels a bit harder

Did they change anything

Except the buff

[kind valve]

The turn limit for 3 star

[timber wyvern]

is it just me or is kafka+sampo is a little too sp heavy

[kind valve]

Sampo you only use skill to apply the dot once or twice

You can jusr basic attack for the rest of the battle

[timber wyvern]

hmm okay

[spiral tendon]

they just buff hp and reduce turn

qq so bad, she cant even use the buff

[fallow delta]

Howmuch hp

They do feel tankier

[timber wyvern]

this is good for pela i assume

[carmine burrow]

Pela only needs ERR

[spiral tendon]

Overall hp increased by 100k each half I think?

17% from last moc

[fallow delta]

But why

[spiral tendon]

I don’t think I can beat floor 11-12

[fallow delta]

I probably can

Just not 3 star

Hopefully they stop buffing them

[spiral tendon]

:clueless

[fallow delta]

[orchid hull]

On SW

Otherwise Keel is better

And Ageless

[timber wyvern]

ah damn

[timber wyvern]

nrhd

oh i was using the EHR set on SW

[silent owl]

the only support sets that exist are penacony, keel, and ageless

[orchid hull]

Dont use the EHR set

Dont need em

[silent owl]

worlds 4 and 5 give absolutely nothing

[carmine burrow]

vonwacq pushed to extinction coz of penacony

[timber wyvern]

i was using the EHR set since i'd have 85% EHR without it

is that good enough alr? i thought SW needed 100+ EHR

[carmine burrow]

[kind valve]

Saxx

Time to ban

[carmine burrow]

wish it is an atk% instead

but this enables 165 spd Kafka so I can't complain

my Guinaifen at 135 spd with +6 boots

[frozen fjord]

https://vxtwitter.com/xinzoruo/status/1729098940975558757

[fallow delta]

I need more crit rate

[kind valve]

Get her lc or blade lc

[fallow delta]

Her cdmg body doesn’t have any crit rate

And if I were to use fuxuan

That should be enough right

[carmine burrow]

enough for rutilant proc

[kind valve]

She doesnt have crate traces?

[fallow delta]

I don’t think so

[carmine burrow]

only spd traces

[quasi chasm]

4p set?

[fallow delta]

Yeah

[quasi chasm]

[vagrant fog]

based JY enjoyer

[fallow delta]

[frozen fjord]

my ass clenched quite a bit

[fallow delta]

Solo sustain lynx

Pro

The enemy not having fire weakness is actually kinda bad

Asta doesn’t regenerate 1 extra stack

That’s annoying

Im 1 eidolon away from e6 asta but she’s not coming home

[quasi chasm]

wait for april

[thorn wadi]

not bad but man are the enemies stacked against blade

I managed 5 cycles on f10 last cycle

[fallow delta]

No

[spiral tendon]

March so far away

(Not march 7th)

[quasi chasm]

getting qq eido?

[spiral tendon]

Yeah

[swift spindle]

what eidolon are you on onion

[spiral tendon]

4

No sp after na is kinda sad

[kind valve]

Take my e9 hook onion, give me qq copies

[spiral tendon]

No

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/950025378666250291/1176478195210518528/113292466-24.gif?ex=656f03b3&is=655c8eb3&hm=99026b927ad8f5e775e00718001803a97841d2b5543032eef9308405dd467852&

[swift spindle]

you'll get them before march (trust )

[orchid hull]

https://youtu.be/K1Rhxe6ec8s

[vale breach]

[worn sable]

i got another spd upgrade for +15

ok i guess

[spiral wolf]

went in to try again but switched sus to speed boot and pure BE build to abuse sp refund and have yq pick off low health bugs a bit more so moc buff has higher chance to land on boss
got down from 4+5 cycles to 3+4 cycles
k enough of this mf bug

I hate that yq is actually my best option vs the bug

[spiral tendon]

sus prob cracked on this moc

but mine is not build enough and only e1

e1 is great enough for clear already tho

[spiral wolf]

the moc buff compensates just that much damage, get more skills in

[kind valve]

I have been using yq cause i dont have qq or seele build

[spiral wolf]

my sus does 10k skill on this build

155 spd (200 spd on full stack) and 193 BE in battle tho

[kind valve]

I hate that the bug dont have any of the weakness for dps i build

[spiral tendon]

with sus, it really easy to get stacks up

[spiral wolf]

i uploaded the run but im still waiting for it to become hd

there we go, yt left it at 360p for almost an hour lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IasUT2ukFlM

[quartz island]

Ruin

I delete my starrailstation cache without save

So no more data about my rolls

[spiral wolf]

pull by feels

no counting

[silent owl]

you can just give the info again

[fallow delta]

That’s me fr

[stuck merlin]

Thought you guys would like to see this one

[formal vector]

Cute

[quartz island]

I scan again and I can't see data that longer than 6 months ago

It is over

[wicked thistle]

No thx

[sudden delta]

once again here for MOC tips
Any team rec for this? Was trying this but Im actually having problem with the first part

(dont have any relevant units that arent pictured here)

[worn sable]

https://vxtwitter.com/homdgcat_/status/1728973992525173230

https://vxtwitter.com/homdgcat_/status/1728974963615629446

[spiral wolf]

[formal vector]

bruh

I give up, I will stop building my team for MoC

[spiral wolf]

so it's not imagination

[cedar fog]

Oh is the MoC reset?

[spiral wolf]

I definitely improved my team but they seemed to do slightly worse on each floor

[cedar fog]

What's the buff btw

[formal vector]

only applies for damage dealing skills/ults

[worn sable]

[cedar fog]

Ahh.. So I should clean the non-elite enemies before the thing comes up..

[spiral tendon]

kinda

[spiral wolf]

ye that is iq50000 strat

tho reallistically there might be 1 other enemy left

[cedar fog]

If only I have good aoe unit

[worn sable]

[ebon vigil]

firs team seele,, fuxuan, bailu and tingyu maybe?

[spiral wolf]

and it's not like jing yuan's LL
for jing yuan LL if enemy runs out of HP the next hits will not hit the dying enemy
this moc buff will still bounce on the enemy that's already dead from the first few hits

[spiral tendon]

once again mono quantum

[ebon vigil]

or that

[spiral tendon]

is there a specific reason you dont use fuxuan, brando?

fx is just cheat code

[spiral wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/fu-xuan-honkai-honkai-star-rail-hsr-we're-so-back-gif-2927276522823598238

[silent hill]

https://fxtwitter.com/gyokuo1007/status/1729162447687442611?t=inxvPlWvW5VWdFInvrCaiQ&s=19

[peak agate]

Probably the funniest thing I’ve done before Fu Xuan had stats to survive was squeeze out every percent of health to maximize her survival

I literally sat down looked at health and said I can take one more before it triggers survives with 51% Hp time to heal

Glad those days are behind me

……..except it’s not because Moc exist and now I have to do it on team B except it’s on every character

[frosty bane]

Just mono quantum+tingyun for guarantee quantum implant on that elite, your second team is fine, can replace fire MC with Pela if you want more dmg and have no problem surviving

[sudden delta]

Thanks, will try mono quantum tomorrow. I have to skill both tingyun and whatshername

[sudden delta]

https://vxtwitter.com/Ziurvi/status/1728239258564264080

[silent hill]

https://fxtwitter.com/bear_minstrel/status/1728936998080237570?t=9sGd1IQJniBsq9GdSXXepw&s=19

[silent hill]

it's strange haven't regen as sub stat

[carmine burrow]

if you mean energy regen, it's because it's broken in hsr if we have it as substat

[silent hill]

precisely it would be a nice thing

[carmine burrow]

[silent hill]

btw sw and Pela debuff stack together right?

[tame flint]

Pela is enough

If you want def reduction debuff on enemies

[peak agate]

But what if I want to do 200%

[tame flint]

Ever heard of the term, diminishing

Man, i kinda want to get jl

On her rerun

[peak agate]

Yes but it’s not real to me I want to go beyond

[tame flint]

I have a separate quantum set that has 20%+ cdmg subs

[peak agate]

Bruh

Must be nice

[tame flint]

I also have a glove with 7 spd and 17% cdmg

[peak agate]

Ok I get it

My gear is trash

[tame flint]

Gimme ur jl

[peak agate]

No

The only way you’ll get my Jingliu is maybe just maybe if you give me a character I want

[tame flint]

How much cdmg does jl have on her traces

Also base spd

My jing liu kinda looking weird guys

[naive atlas]

She looks a little shorter

[tame flint]

Weird how i haven't gotten a decent arena ice orb yet

Also rope

In fact all of my world 7 ornaments are bad

Might as well go attack% boots

She gets 45% cdmg????

What

And 9 spd???

[lucid timber]

def reduc is not diminishing, just has a hardcap

[tame flint]

Is it high

Like 80?

[lucid timber]

100%

[tame flint]

Oh

There you are spark

[silent owl]

Def reduction actually gets better the more you stack it as long as you dont overshoot 100%

[ornate bronze]

Isn't Def reduction only allowed to be 100%?

[lucid timber]

yes? thats what we r saying

[naive atlas]

Imagine if you could give enemies negative defence

[tame flint]

Seems fun

[silent hill]

i am suffering to get relics with the right main

[timber wyvern]

if i logout after killing yq in SU, will he still be there when i log back in?

actually nvm i forgot i just got 4 immersifiers from weekly reset

[silent owl]

You can exit SU after killing the boss and return to it later in the same week to claim rewards/relics
Idk what happens if its a different week though

[naive atlas]

You get booted out when the week rolls over

I've accidentally fallen asleep while inside SU on Sunday

[silent hill]

how did u fall sleep with the opened game?

[hoary shard]

play with phone on bed, been there done that

[silent hill]

ah there is that possiblity

[silent hill]

oh i dunno could drop more than 2 5* (i am not speaking about the extras)

[thick ore]

beta test update today

wonder what they'll change

[silent hill]

does fx is better using full hp main stats?

well, particularly in my case, i will use spd boots on her, so it wouldn't full hp

i need spd to get the fleet effect

[spiral wolf]

she's better when your fx can get ult faster then she uses her hp reverse stack, there are many ways to do it

speed boot er rope is the fastest way to do it without a lot of substats but she'll have less hp so less heal

[silent hill]

why ult faster? i just need to get the stacks, right?

[silent hill]

so, i am thinking to get a body, sphere and rope with full hp, but i dunno if it's good

[spiral wolf]

then once you have better substats she can survive long enough without er rope, can replace that first

[astral raptor]

u have to ult to get stacks

and u can only have 2 stacks max

[silent hill]

yeah, but I won't use the stacks constantly

i think, i hope

[astral raptor]

yea u probably want to aim around 7k+ hp with almost 1.7 or 1.8k def iirc

[spiral wolf]

for safe play you would be having her ult ready, be at 2 stacks and waiting for her to use up one stack

[silent hill]

mine has almost 7k

[spiral wolf]

need to try her out to make sure she's not regenerating too fast or too slow

too fast then you'd waste energy regen by holding ult

[silent hill]

but it will be a problem in her case?

[spiral wolf]

how much def

[silent hill]

i mean, Pela i understand have that worry, but fx i dunno

fx def is around 1500 i guess

[astral raptor]

need more

1.5k is too little

[spiral wolf]

which lc tho

[astral raptor]

oh yea which lc are u using?

[spiral wolf]

that's 2k effective hp def if it's with landau's

[silent hill]

march with pompom

[astral raptor]

eh..

[silent hill]

R5

[astral raptor]

march with pompom?

[spiral wolf]

day one?

[silent hill]

yeah, I don't remember its name kek

[astral raptor]

oh

[spiral wolf]

what other preservation lc do you have just in case

[silent hill]

it is a good question

i will look here

[astral raptor]

u can use the herta one if u have currency to buy it >,<

[spiral wolf]

she can use gepard lc or landau, those are good value on her

[silent hill]

i wasn't with the game

[astral raptor]

yea

any of the 5 stars are fine

[silent hill]

i was eating

[astral raptor]

just aim for 7k+ hp with at least 1.7k def imo if u are not using landau or gepard lc

[silent hill]

i only have a single 5★ lc

[spiral wolf]

gepard lc will prob push her to 2k+ def anyways lol

[astral raptor]

yea

LOL

gepard lc is just disgustingly good stats for any perservation characters

[silent hill]

among all the paths

[spiral wolf]

landau: 7k/1.5k
gepard lc: 6.5k/2.2k
everything else: 7k/1800

[silent hill]

ah, okay, i said wrong

my fx has almost 3k def kek

[spiral wolf]

[formal vector]

[silent hill]

but i am using currently 2 piece disciple and 2 piece knight

[astral raptor]

damn

[orchid hull]

How much SPD

[silent hill]

but i will use full disciple because the cr bonus

112

[tame flint]

Is this good enough for bronya
ER rope

[astral raptor]

[silent hill]

it is bad

[spiral wolf]

thiccest fu xuan

[orchid hull]

Wait

112?!

[silent hill]

i need at least 120

[orchid hull]

[silent hill]

i am using a def boot

[astral raptor]

get a speed boots...

[spiral wolf]

[astral raptor]

LOL

[orchid hull]

dont

[tame flint]

Where are our living guides in here

[orchid hull]

Get a SPD boot

[silent hill]

btw

[orchid hull]

Why Rutilant

[silent hill]

i am using the March one because it has that res eff for all team

[tame flint]

[spiral wolf]

swap landau's choice and day one, landau is kinda redundant with fire mc's taunt skill

[silent hill]

ah, i am not using mc currently

but okay

i thought day one res effect was better than landau

[carmine burrow]

looks bad. you can give it to me instead

[astral raptor]

[silent hill]

well, so i get a spd boot and the rest full hp?

[spiral wolf]

yeah try that or er rope whichever you have on hand

[astral raptor]

er rope maybe

[spiral wolf]

or try both hp rope and er rope if anything

[silent hill]

i am lazy to look into the formulas to know what is better, the def one or the reduction

[spiral wolf]

many fu xuans CAN rotate without er rope

[carmine burrow]

my Fu Xuan on gepard LC and HP rope doesn't need ER rope

[spiral wolf]

it depends on substats, you have to try it out

[astral raptor]

yea it all depends on ur NEEDS

[tame flint]

[carmine burrow]

this is using her on pretty much the highest difficulty namely MoC

[spiral wolf]

i'm hp rope on landau's choice

[silent hill]

i think it is the common sense: don't die

[astral raptor]

yeap XD

[carmine burrow]

well, unless your FX teammates are literal sponges and you want good ult uptime

[spiral wolf]

against moc 10 any class not pres/abunda ar glass cannons

some aren't even cannons, just glass

[silent hill]

nah, i am not worry about fx ult dmg

i mean, her ult is lv 2 yet

[carmine burrow]

we are not talking about FX ult damage here

[spiral wolf]

damage

[carmine burrow]

we are not dumdum enough to build FX dps

IMO just put HP rope on her first and see how it goes

[silent hill]

ogey

[carmine burrow]

if your team dies often coz you can't heal enough due to not having good ult uptime, change to ER rope

[astral raptor]

just barely auto 10 turns on MoC 10....

[silent hill]

why auto

[astral raptor]

cause why not?

[silent hill]

kills the fun

[spiral wolf]

they stealth increased hp pool

[astral raptor]

ikr

luckily they reduced the dmg dealt by mobs

[spiral wolf]

'difficulty' by amount of hp

[astral raptor]

ALOT of hp man

seems like a big increase to HP while dropping only just a little bit of dmg they do

[carmine burrow]

I was like expecting big Sus ult damage from the new mobs coz they said they increased HP

I was disappointed when I saw 38k ult

on break

[astral raptor]

i am carried hard by my seele

so ...

[spiral wolf]

does break scale hp tho, i forgor, I know bleed does but with cap

[frosty bane]

You forgot herta LC is supper strong for her own survive, my 8k HP 1.3k defense FX never have any problems survive

[spiral wolf]

herta shop good for just herself, it doesn't aggro, it doesn't mitigate team further

[carmine burrow]

the first proc is bleed on break tho, right? so that scales with HP

[spiral wolf]

but if it works it works, it saves a huge ton of substats

[frosty bane]

[fallow delta]

I hope it’s something good

[spiral wolf]

doesn't the break applies bleed then bleed is on enemy's turn

[carmine burrow]

I dunno previous MoC had big break damages even without particular buff

and those bosses have relatively high HP

tbf the bleed damage I see is still in the 17k range

[spiral wolf]

checking

hmm yeah break dmg as you attack scales with max toughness bar instead of max hp

goes for every element

[carmine burrow]

ohh....

[silent hill]

finally

[thick ore]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

RUAN MEI BUFFED

[spiral wolf]

the bleed has cap too, up to 7% of elite's hp but the cap is before break effect multiply (example 100% BE -> max 14% hp)
and hp pool is like 20% larger so it won't be much

[thick ore]

AND ITS WHAT I SAID

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[formal vector]

:BotanHigher:

[frosty bane]

[thick ore]

theres still more

but i will summarize it in a bit

still translating

[spiral wolf]

[quasi chasm]

[orchid hull]

Gib leaks

[tame flint]

Final stats, went with an off set because she was originally in 4pc messenger

[frosty bane]

Fastya

[thick ore]

give me a few minutes

theres a lot

so need proper translations

[quasi chasm]

seems like mei got a massive change

[frosty bane]

What’s her element again ?

[quasi chasm]

same as herta

[carmine burrow]

SMH Shinjo. Just translate faster

[thick ore]

1st ones are old, the one i underlined in red is the new

[stuck merlin]

I was just looking at a Ratio post, seems he got nerfed pretty hard in comparison

[tame flint]

||so basically everyone gets a free dmg boost every 4 turns now?||

[thick ore]

idk if he's nerfed or buff. still trying to see everything atm

[tame flint]

Shin can you confirm

This is the most op typo

[thick ore]

no dont

thats not the proper one yet

[tame flint]

[sharp kestrel]

classic hoyo

It was so good until it was so bad

[tame flint]

We all get baited by hoyo from time to time

[timber wyvern]

||3 turns means she can finally be SP positive, plus looking at her traces you don't actually need that much BE substats||

[tame flint]

Mine its either the wrong set or the wrong main stat

[timber wyvern]

||BE rope + talia + 2pc BE + 2pc speed + her talent is already well enough for 160% BE without any BE substats||

[sharp kestrel]

the hoyo classic

[tame flint]

Its been a few months, im still looking for my seele orb

[thick ore]

here

|| break effect +60%, when wearer uses ult, 24% dmg boost for 3 turns, and get 1 SP back if the wearer have 150% or more break effect, and regen 10 energy for all ally at start of wave ||

[tame flint]

This is ult skill?

[thick ore]

that is her LC

fyi || the skill speed buff got switched to her talent. so her skill has the damage now while talent has the speed buff now ||

[tame flint]

||56% bonus dmg buff (from skill and ult when u have her lc)||

Pretty high

Plus other stuff

[gilded pine]

okay ruan mei gives so much dmg now

[thick ore]

|| 68% dmg
15% speed
30% res pen
50% break efficiency
20% break effect
sp positive
buffs entirely tied to her own turn
buffs are completely team wide ||

completely balanced

[tame flint]

Thats with lc yeah

Whats her e1

[gilded pine]

40% atk 20% def pen and +1 buff turn

[thick ore]

no

her atk buff got into e2

[gilded pine]

oh

[tame flint]

So just pen and now 4 turn for buff

[spiral wolf]

wow || that res pen buff ||

[gilded pine]

the e1 is just pen now

[thick ore]

no

its something else

[gilded pine]

only on field

[tame flint]

More dmg bonus essentially huh

[gilded pine]

looks like e0 is really good now

wait is e2 only 40% atk on break

[tame flint]

Thats a free quantum set with the enemy having quantum weakness

[spiral wolf]

||wtf e1 ignore def ||

[gilded pine]

only on ult field

so it's not necessary anymore

[tame flint]

I mean, it should be enough to burst down the enemies fast

[spiral wolf]

eh not like it needs to be up all the time

characters/team comps have burst windows

[tame flint]

Im still waiting for hanabi

[gilded pine]

she's straight up just good on e0 now

[carmine burrow]

jesus this is on the level of revising Zhongli lmao

[tame flint]

I have achieved the balance, of wanting to gamba and restraining myself

[spiral wolf]

so did dr ratio get ratio'd

[tame flint]

I might pull on rm tho if she stays that way

[spiral wolf]

i pull her anyways

such fine legs

[tame flint]

E0s1 seems like a really good addition

[spiral wolf]

[tame flint]

Who's gonna be the first banner

Ratio?

I hope its ratio

[thick ore]

heres the thing

with a lot of us atm for ratio

WE DUNNO

[gilded pine]

ruan mei first

[thick ore]

we're reading it

[gilded pine]

the favorite is usually first

[thick ore]

but we're still arguing if he's buffed or not

[spiral wolf]

it would be funny and on brand if he got ratio'd

[gilded pine]

i'm trying to make sense of the wording

[thick ore]

am in a discord voice call

and we're arguing on the numbers

[gilded pine]

but it would be extremely funny if he got ratio'd

[thick ore]

ratio is making us crazy

[spiral wolf]

i have mental image of you lots having serious roundtable meeting on this

[thick ore]

he got changed a lot

and we're confused af if he's nerfed or not

[gilded pine]

ye they changed a lot for l + ratio

[quasi chasm]

hes a dps right?

[gilded pine]

yep

[quasi chasm]

good buff supports so we can use it in long run

[gilded pine]

apparently you need 6 debuffs to proc his follow ups consistently now from the wording?

yeah ruan mei is very strong now

[tame flint]

6?

[spiral wolf]

:ruanga

[tame flint]

Do you want to place him on a dot team or

[gilded pine]

6 debuffs to get the full value of his buffs now i think

[carmine burrow]

6???

[thick ore]

what we do know whats a buff though

is his LC

20% def ignore to 24%

[gilded pine]

ye

a whole 4%

[thick ore]

which is nice still

[fallow delta]

What am i supposed to do

I still have my 50/50

[kind valve]

Go gamba

[tame flint]

I'm gonna use my guarantee on sw

[kind valve]

Always gmba

[tame flint]

And try my luck on rm

[thick ore]

easy beggar

just use the most powerful weapon

💳

[worn sable]

oh hey

|| https://imgur.com/a/LkO4x3v ||

Ruan Mei buff

[silent hill]

ruan mei bst sup is real now?

[tame flint]

Its been discussed above pin

Oh whale territory

[spiral wolf]

|| 💳 e6 dps ruan mei :ruanga ||

[gilded pine]

it's time to pull out the credit card

[fallow delta]

I was originally trying to pull e1 huohuo but now

E1 rm

[silent hill]

man, ruan mei will be awesome

[spiral wolf]

e1 does seem best value as are many 5*s

[silent hill]

and her E1 is amazing

i want her now

[spiral wolf]

e1 for ruan mei pela mono ice

[silent hill]

but i think i won't get her

i will get sw and i will try the argenti lc for Serval

[fallow delta]

Just wait for jingyuan to get a rerun and ignore argenti

[silent hill]

Ruan Mei seems work very well with Topaz

[silent hill]

nah, Argenti lc is exquisite

[tame flint]

Ye jy lc better

[silent hill]

my cd can reach out 200%

[fallow delta]

I’d rather not get his lc than miss rm

[thick ore]

this is how you guys should pull if you go all in

|| rm e0 > s1 LC > e1 ||

[thorn wadi]

Oh shit c1 ruan mei

[thick ore]

thats it

[fallow delta]

Got it boss

[thorn wadi]

Eh is her lc that good?

[tame flint]

Thanks shinjo, but its fine
Im gonna get e1 rm in one multi anyway

[fallow delta]

Same

Why even think

Just get e6 in 1 multi

[tame flint]

||More bonus dmg and energy regen if you have more than 150% BE||

[silent hill]

Argenti lc decrease the worry about cd on relics at least

[spiral wolf]

||sp + energy refund are strong and offers variation than just more dmg boost from res pen||

[thick ore]

its too high value

[thorn wadi]

||ruan mei's BE or the target char?||

[tame flint]

Her's

[thick ore]

|| 60% break effect
24% teamwide damage buff when she ult
+1 SP if she has 150% BE when she ult
+10 energy to everyone at the beginning of each wave||

^ tldr of her LC

[fallow delta]

She’s hot too so it’s perfect