Path of Exile

[tight kiln]

Holy big post

[fluid timber]

"we need a big draw card to bring people back for 0.2.0"
Bets on it being they implement the map tab

[blissful plume]

Will arakaalis fang stack with the spider on kill for shadow for double the spiders?

Did they miss the point of people not liking the nerfs because the nerfs came out without a warning of when and also respec costs were too high after the nerfs

Hope we see more of the patented ggg triple prong nerfs

[tight oak]

S p i d e r s

[tight oak]

Thinking about stacking buffs expire % slower on you with harbinger

and try to get permanent buffs from the greater harbys

cause aside from time, the harby buffs last for 4s, 8s cd, to get 8s duration you need 50% slower expiry, ascendancy gives 30%

seems like the only other source of buffs expire slower would be self-temp chains

[tight kiln]

Im ngl CoC harbinger looks insane

[tight oak]

that's legit what i'm looking at

is CoC harby with the uptime to sustain buffs from focus and time harby

probably just gonna do time harby, buffs expire slower, channel immunity

[tight kiln]

No its the 40% cdr

Its 2 elevated gear pieces

[tight oak]

yeah that comes with the time harby

same path

[tight kiln]

If you can hit 10.08 aps on cyclone then you can do the 126% cdr

[tight oak]

greater time harby gives you 20% action speed on 8s dur, 10s cd

30% slower buffs should be basically permanent +20% action speed

actually just tailwind on crack

[blissful plume]

Reddit says ID harbringer gonna be easy to hit overlap breakpoints

[tight kiln]

ye

[tight oak]

what skill to use with CoC though

[tight kiln]

ice spear

the usual

[blissful plume]

Not sure about gambler ascendancy

[tight oak]

makes sense

I tried the rolling magma variant with nimis

[tight kiln]

cyclone CoC ice spear

[tight oak]

was very unimpressed

[tight kiln]

that shit sucks lmao

its either

CoC fireball with nimis or ice spear

[tight oak]

bigger fan of how ice spear looks anyway

[tight kiln]

i wanna do bow CoC tho

[tight oak]

god

[tight kiln]

my favourite coc is still tornado shot ice spear

[tight oak]

i wanted to do CoC VD bow so bad when that got showed off and it was like

only 40, 50 divines to get started

[tight kiln]

oh i did it before

it takes way more

[tight oak]

and the corpse HP got nuked lmao

[tight kiln]

i did it on elementalist

ye

it sucks now without archmage

https://streamable.com/f5omz8

this one is elementalist bow coc vd dd

the fucking mtx helped with my frames

i dont think it works anymore

herald of ash explosions feels so fucking good

literally screen clear

also bow CoC doesnt care about aps

????????

[tight oak]

d-did "golden age" get flagged

are you for real

[blissful plume]

Mom is probably a religion down under

[spiral yew]

you turning poe into a religion, that's why

[toxic wing]

if no izaro ascendancy we riot
jokes aside hopefully they do while it blast his voicelines

[copper mortar]

shaper ascendency

[tight kiln]

loaning friend my gear

[covert frigate]

Is the mastery "exposure you inflict applies at least -18% res" worth taking?

[tight kiln]

yes

in poe1 penetration allows you to pen below negative

unlike poe2

so get as much - ress as possible

since the cap is -200%

[covert frigate]

But since it says at least, that means id modifier alr boost reduction above that, the mastery does nothing?

[tight kiln]

anything extra gets added on top of 18%

18% is now the base value instead of 15

[covert frigate]

Oh the at least is applied first, nice

[toxic wing]

A loan of 2 mirrors +

[covert frigate]

Pretty big increase actually since woc only apply -10%

[tight kiln]

oh

wait

hm

i didnt take it on mine since im using 2 curses

lol

wait WoC only applies 10%?

[covert frigate]

Yeh

[tight kiln]

oh huh it got nerfed

used to be 15%

[covert frigate]

is the flame wall burn effect separated from woc's burn effect?

[tight oak]

alright not a big fan of hexblast trickster

time to go back to regular settlers and get my 40/40 done

[tight kiln]

No. Higher ignite replaces each other. You use flame surge for the damage amp

[covert frigate]

Do skills cast by arcanist brand benefit from support gems?

[tight kiln]

Nope. Only arcanist brand

Unless its quality % like enhance

I play double curse so i just have arcanist brand, flammability, elemental weakness and flame surge on it

[covert frigate]

Hm i see

[tight kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS6RkuSfwT0

[toxic wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQsM5N6AWas

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/sFvzYEsjnPI?si=b8lxr9QwMnyghFS5

[covert frigate]

Apparently i somehow alr beaten a tier 12 map

Death and Taxes

Did it through Kirac mission

Didn't even know it was t12 lmao

[tight kiln]

unique maps are way easier than normal

except some

[blissful plume]

Trial of the grandmasters is the easiest of them all

[tight oak]

true

realizing that i actually really enjoy this atlas strategy i'm trying

tl;dr breach deli with eater altars, t16 strands, 4x breach scarab + 1x breachlord, kirac breach

50-55c investment, easy, i'm getting like 8% exp a map, takes like 4-5 minutes, solid returns on investment with lvl 9 rewards on deli

[tight kiln]

i mean

thats the standard isnt it

[tight oak]

averaging 150-225x sim splinters a map, 2 breachstones, pretty good rate of getting a div/valdos/key, only unfortunate thing is surprisingly low gold

[tight kiln]

breach deli strand with 5x scarab deli orbs has been a thing since forever

[tight oak]

i tried orbing, felt worse tbh

also i wouldn't know that

actually afaik all i've seen is breach bad

[tight kiln]

??

[tight oak]

with exception of poe 2 and breachstone good exp

everyone else seemed to be of the opinion that breach was just mid

too busy slobbing over sanctum, legion, boss rushing, invitation farming, or boxes

or heist

never heard of breach being compared to any of those

[tight kiln]

fuck i lost the vid

no you use breach to amp delirium rewards to t13 to t15

[tight oak]

makes sense

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/MNrWW3n0wmc?si=eGIiWzq0VTpOG7hC

[tight oak]

my set is more focused on breach itself

cause there is 0 chance i won't explode on impact with that much juice

[tight kiln]

i remember the video

it was

coc deadeye fireball nimis

he cleared the map in like 3 minutes with t14 rewards

strand too

[tight oak]

the character in that video is vastly stronger than mine and almost died instantly on the first breach 💀

like i still only have maybe 50d invested into the character

[tight kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqKUb-KLcT8

this guy using legion instead of breach

[tight oak]

t1 spell suppression roll is breaking my bank rn

[tight kiln]

what you playing

[tight oak]

ls slayer

[tight kiln]

there the 3.21 vid

bro using breach as well

[tight oak]

using loathing spam on a prefix fractured armor/eva

few times i rolled t1 or t2 spell supp needed an annul, whiffed each time

[tight kiln]

oof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jHsleiaxUI

fucking searched fireball deadeye and poe2 comes up 💀

like gtfo outta there

[tight oak]

okay that makes a lot of sense

harvest reroll orbs into skittering

[blissful plume]

Huh poe2 fireball deadeye?

[tight kiln]

ye its dogshit LMAO

ive been wanting to do spell deadeye but nothing is even remotely good in poe2

[covert frigate]

Man when are stash gonna go on sale? Im running out of stash space lmao

[tight kiln]

once every 2 weekend iirc

[covert frigate]

Can someone ping me when it does?

[covert frigate]

Lmao arcanist brand flammability firestorm flamesurge nukes boss lmao

[tight oak]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3720737/page/1

my interest in the event is now almost zero

only thing that interests me is being able to all-in invest on a singular mechanic

[blissful plume]

https://youtu.be/RbMGfSFMmrI?si=OqZTQHy7USI5Wps0

[tight kiln]

best poe2 content creator

no cap

[tight kiln]

this is 100% beta for poe2 end game

lmao

but its so good tho

the idols are fucking insane

i dont think 1 month is even enough

[blissful plume]

its not

its why they want u to pay for private leagues

to continue testing their new end game

[tight kiln]

im fine with it

get the rest to fund the server

[tight oak]

oh yeah 100%

you could tell since the first ascendancy they showed that it's heavily poe 2 coded

ascendancy nodes giving skills, a bundle of generic stats, even the naming convention

[tight oak]

that's the crazy part tbh

is that if that stat is on there

you could actually potentially hit 100% strongbox can be opened again

and even if it's not 100% you can get close

imagine getting 30 hits from a operative box

or maps have 100% chance to contain 20 exiles lmao

[blissful plume]

its better for the game to nerf all the op shit during testing phases like EA

since the new event isn't a league

ggg can just nerf anything anytime they want

[tight kiln]

i just watched this. hes 100% right

[blissful plume]

The cycle never ends

Doesn't matter whose in charge, Chris or Jonathan

[blissful plume]

Yeah most of poe2's pain points can be summarised with "poe1 already fixed it"

[tight kiln]

i honestly feel like they shouldve made an engine overhaul for poe1 and be done with

why wanna reinvent the wheel

[blissful plume]

Probably cause they didn't like what poe1 had become

It was too zoomy for their tastes

And they hated 1 button builds

So they made a sequel that had all the same problems

[tight kiln]

[blissful plume]

It's like the crab evolution theory where everything becomes a crab as their final form

They tried to slow things down with multi button pressing required

And ended up fast with 1 button builds

[toxic wing]

Isnt jonathan solely in charge of poe 2 now though? Iirc he never played poe 1

Not sure who is in charge of the upcoming relic stuff but the poe 2 influence is def there

[blissful plume]

more like LE and their relics

no idea why would they want to test poe2 end game mechanics in poe1 when they can just do that in poe2 instead

[tight oak]

i feel like if they want poe 2 to be anti-1 button build

then drop rates need to be much higher than what they are now

or rather that players need to gain more for time invested

cause I think most fans of the genre are used to the mindless grind being, y'know, mindless

that or the game needs severe optimizations that uhh kinda just aren't there yet

I've played multi-button builds in ARPGs and it kinda works there mainly cause I can actually run the game smoothly and have good visual clarity, if I die I know how I died kinda thing

think I'm explaining it like a troglodyte but I hope you get what I mean

[covert frigate]

Nah i get it

Also they need to improve combat flow if they want multi button gameplay

Especially skill speed

Right now it feels horrible to have to press more than 1 skill during bossing of mobbing

Hell, the game has almost no input buffering, so if you press buttons too fast, itll just skip buttons

Input buffering is the one thing every game that wants player to press sequencr of buttons to combo must have

If they want to enforce multi button feel, theyll need to research all the stuff hacknslash like bayo and dmc and fighting games do to make gameplay feel smooth

[fluid timber]

I definitely understand it. their server situation with it being online only and no rollback makes it if there is any sort of hiccup in the packet route between me and the server on bosses that require precise dodge timings and using good timing/aim to synergize skills, then it's not playable

it's the same reason why cloud gaming is terrible for these kinda of games too: you're not going to ever perfectly overcome the lag time created by geographical distance

it's never really an issue with POE1 because you're basically building murder machines for characters

and yea as Void said: you want skill combos especially online, then you better program good dial-a-combo input buffering

[covert frigate]

i love taking a whole second to cast the 3 skills devs intended for me to cast to kill 1 single pack of mob while the pack of mob can kill me in 0.1 seconds

also, they gotta rethink the whole mobs can push you thing

its annoying at best and janky at worst

[blissful plume]

Nah that's not the ggg way, they want you to spend more time for less rewards with their current design trends

That's why they hate deterministic outcomes

[tight oak]

that was so absurd when i saw that

they couldn't fix poe 1 melee skills that were already very fast and decent aoe so they just dumped numbers on it to make it worth playing

then poe 2 rolls around and their speed is far worse without any compensation lmao

[tight kiln]

wtf

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3721171

[covert frigate]

ngl, some of these ascendency skills are boring

like just a bundle of bonus stat

[blissful plume]

It's the poe2 methodology

Upsides with downsides

Can't simply have fun anymore

[toxic wing]

Would flicker strike like that stuff?

[blissful plume]

Everything needs weight

[toxic wing]

Feel the weight
and close your eyes while slamming

And believe in the vision ig

[blissful plume]

Here have 20% additional armour and also 20% less armour at the same time

[toxic wing]

Atleast armor still has use in 1

For now atleast

[tight kiln]

no. how the hell do you regen frenzy charges lmao

[toxic wing]

idk i never played flicker

Lowkey tempted to try it with the experimental league though

Coc stuff is prob gonna be too expensive so i might pass on that

[tight kiln]

its only 1 month too

[blissful plume]

just pay for private leagues to continue experimenting after that 1 month

[covert frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc4ca4qG6w

damn bro didnt know poe1 had a piece of ost like this

its so good

[tight oak]

quite literally the poe 2 methodology

like this isn't an ascendancy node

i'm pretty sure this is literally a node on the poe 2 passive tree

if you look at most other ascendancy nodes in poe 1 they are either at least 5-6 point investments on the passive tree, or impacts that you can feel the moment you allocate them

thank god oshabi is more interesting

going to wait for more ascendancies ofc, but might go for oshabi, level as bow until pisactors ele hit of the spectrum

[covert frigate]

that feel like a notable node lmao

poe1 ascendency nodes actually completely change how skills interact

like all hits ignite and all hits shock

no combination of non-ascendncy nodes can do anything like that

[blissful plume]

keystone nodes on the tree can do that

like avatar of fire

[covert frigate]

i mean yeh, but like theyre keystones

30% increase energy shield recover and 30% increased mana recover is like a notable or 2

[tight kiln]

every single poe1 bgm is good

exarch is still the best

[blissful plume]

With forbidden shako sacred wisp support?

[tight kiln]

the bgm and voice acting carried poe1 so much

[covert frigate]

i have not gotten to that yet

the bgm is good, but this one stood out the most to me

i actually dont remember any other bgm

[tight kiln]

when asmongold compares d4 to poe1, every single boss fight in d4 he uses searing exarch fight in poe1 as the base

and hes not wrong. the hitbox of that fight is insanely good

[covert frigate]

well i dont remember any of poe1 hitbox being bad

[tight kiln]

ye

but it very clearly shows how good it is in searing exarch fight

i dont wanna spoil it until you clear it

[covert frigate]

how long will it take for me to get to searing exarch

[tight kiln]

once you hit t11 maps or something

[covert frigate]

damn, im at like t5

[tight kiln]

you will get one weird guy talking to you

you will fight searing exarch story mode at t16

titan in poe1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKKKT3i35pw&ab_channel=BkBlindside

Die.

you actually die

[covert frigate]

man endgame poe has quite a lot of cool bosses

you know what? i think ill just do a bit of trading to skip forward the map tiers a bit rather than grinding out the items myself

i have a build guide so i should know what items im looking for

[tight kiln]

• Elderslayers - Al-Hezmin, Baran, Drox, Veritania, Pinnacle Boss: Sirius

• Atlas of Worlds - The Black Star, Pinnacle Boss: Searing Exarch

• Atlas of Worlds - The Infinite Hunger, Pinnacle Boss: Eater of Worlds

• Elders - Hydra, Chimera, Phoenix, Minotaur, Pinnacle Boss: The Elder

• Shaper - Purifier, Constrictor, Enslaver, Eradicator, Pinnacle Boss: The Shaper

• The Elder + The Shaper = Uber Elder.

• Miscellenous Pinnacle Bosses - Maven, Cortex, Chayula, Uber Atziri

• Uber Bosses - Uber Sirius, Uber Searing Exarch, Uber Eater of World, Uber Uber Elder, Uber Maven, Uber Shaper

[covert frigate]

i have no idea how to get to any of them lmao

[tight kiln]

all of them are t16 onwards

you will never see them early on

except for story mode maven witness and the 2 atlas of worlds bosses

oh ye

Izaro is also a boss

[covert frigate]

i mean you fight Izaro in lab right?

or is that not Izaro?

[tight kiln]

yes

izaro is the lab boss

his voice lines are also insanely good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hflyd-SaTks&ab_channel=TOURUSEN

[tight oak]

Maybe, I don't know what it'll look like since I don't usually wand

I probably swap to kb after having actual currency to invest

Also Izaro my GOAT

[gleaming palm]

orb of chance freaking pekora old laugh

omg

the divine drop sound fx

my ears

[tight kiln]

i boiught hero siege since its like 81% off

its pretty cool

[tight oak]

Ah hero siege

The game that could have been amazing if the developer wasn't scum

[tight kiln]

attack archmage wtf

[raw crag]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1iml3zi/the_legacy_of_phrecia_faq/mcabsba/?context=10

[tight kiln]

wait

thats fucking insane

[tight oak]

oh wild

[covert frigate]

new meta is gonna be running like 5 different herald auras

[blissful plume]

we getting erika in poe1?

[tight oak]

herald is just

please play autobomber

[covert frigate]

whats autobomber?

like you just walk around and everything automatically die?

[blissful plume]

0 button build

[covert frigate]

ew

[toxic wing]

Autobomber is pretty nice
but takes a lot of work to min max and get going

Mostly for mapping though

[covert frigate]

I don't see any point in playing a build where i don't get to press buttons

[tight kiln]

if only you can taste that with aurastacker carrion golem

holy shit

[toxic wing]

Aurastacker carrion golem is a thing?

[tight kiln]

Was a thing

Its totally dead now

[tight kiln]

I managed to do a little of it when its at half the power

https://pobb.in/WtZa0zalTVwJ

Actually this is like 1/4 the power

This is only 8 auras

The old aurastacker can hit like 14 auras

[tight oak]

pob has some of the new ascendancies now apparently

[toxic wing]

Oh right they did gut the aura stuff,nearly forgot about it

8 aura's still sounds like a lot especially after playing poe 2

[tight kiln]

LMAOOOOOOOO

JUST SPEAKING ABOUT AURA STACKER MINION AND THEY RELEASED A RANGER WITH MINION AURA STACKING

holy shit

its minion meta

[tight oak]

wildspeaker making me consider flicker

[tight kiln]

yah

farrul's fur on an ascendancy

LMAO

zombie godfather

i still wanna try dex stacking siege ballista tho

[tight oak]

farruls fur inspired learning, tailwind cause why not, it's not bad

[tight kiln]

maybe as a 2nd character

idk what to play now

[tight oak]

though tbh it's either gonna be gambler LS or oshabi cause poison bow is so back

[tight kiln]

god damn every ascendancy looks so good

[tight oak]

the only issue i have with gambler LS is that it's kinda awkward compared to slayer

cause getting scorch in the build is straightup a net damage loss lmfao

they all look so good but i'm not smart enough to find the one that'll just line up so nicely

i realized just how miserable it'd be to play ranger wander without endless munitions (until forb jewels but lol)

[blissful plume]

trypanon zombies?

[blissful plume]

https://i.imgur.com/clF2csF.png

Omniscience as a tree?

https://i.imgur.com/8vYR307.png

Budget nimis

[tight kiln]

it sucks

50% is ass

[tight oak]

i wonder if bp is good for coc soulrend

then again it'll actually brick my pc if i try to play it

[blissful plume]

Is it possible to scale zombies hp higher than spectres for dd?

[toxic wing]

Is this enough to get that baron zombie strength build back to what it used to be

[tight kiln]

huh. dd uses corpse.

there's nothing that allows you to count raised spectres as corpses

[tight kiln]

yes

str stacking zombies are back

but

you suffer at the start tho

[blissful plume]

I meant the mob corpses hp that we grab, do u think we can scale zombie hp higher than those corpses?

[tight kiln]

then you explode the zombie and keep summoning them?

how

cyclone cast while channeling? thats annoying as shit and you can only 3L it because the other 2 link will be cyclone and cwc

[tight kiln]

oh i got you

[blissful plume]

Yeah I saw that but was thinking in the context of dd, will it kill the corpses zombies

Or do they stay alive because ggg jank

[blissful plume]

Arcanist brand for zombies and just enduring cry

Probably clunky for maps

[tight oak]

Jung was messing around with it in pob

Hitting 540k zombie HP

(It requires a timeless jewel with 1 singular seed that has 6 pops of minions have 80% inc life)

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/JbCaClejIgU?si=aCPr2zauyESf8Zwi

[tight kiln]

Okay nvm thats impossible lmao

[tight oak]

theres some that gives 4 pops that probably work

but like

there was 1 that was available for trade in settlers when checked lmao

[covert frigate]

Whens Legacy if Phrecia starting?

[tight kiln]

20th feb

[covert frigate]

damn i have 1 week to beat searing exarch

[tight kiln]

im probably going surfcaster wintertide brand

[tight oak]

might go kb whisperer

[covert frigate]

you guys got any cool fun ranger builds that dont require too much investment?

[raw crag]

As in Bow Builds or something to go with the new(temp) Ranger Ascendancies?

[tight kiln]

if you want the basic as shit its lightning arrow

LA can literally clear every single content in the game from league start

and now you can run archmage with lightning arrow with the new ascendancy, which is gonna be fucking insane

you also speed run farming legion, which is an insane source of money

now thinking about it maybe i should run LA myself lmao

lightning arrow whisperer into manaforged arrows

yeah

thats the plan

[raw crag]

You thinking Ranger is gonna be the 'popular pick' here?

I'm thinking Shadow's gonna be the 'meta pick'

[tight kiln]

surfcaster will be the meta pick

its too broken

https://pobb.in/-jKnyLJlVhwW

[raw crag]

Which is Shadow

If people aren't bored of it yet, Blind Prophet LS might end up Top again

[tight kiln]

nah

50% is fucking ass

if its a full nimis sure

not 50%

you might as well play whisperer LS

for archmage attack

LMAO

any lightning attack = whisperer

early on you run

there is more
infinite pursuit
we know all
dont panic yet

late game remove the 4 charges for wait a little

then as a ranger you run tailwind (lol 400 div) forbidden flesh/flame combo

[covert frigate]

alright ill look around to see if theres a build guide for that

actually where do you guys even go to find builds?

[raw crag]

I dunno, it's looking like Blind Prophet → Surfer is the way to go

[raw crag]

• poe.ninja (look around for skills you're interested in, see what they're doing)
• https://maxroll.gg/poe
• notable content creators

[covert frigate]

how do i find builds for upcoming league?

[raw crag]

For simple builds, you can find old(3.25), generic builds that doesn't rely too heavily on certain mechanics/ascendancy-stuff
Best would be a guide that's SSF-friendly to start with; you can run campaign & get your voidstones w/ just rares

[tight kiln]

search 3.25 for league starters to see what you want to play. you can use that as a base for now. lightning arrow has been tried and proven for the past 5 leagues or so, so it's pretty solid.

i wouldnt recommend poe.ninja unless you really know what you are doing

because some of them are just

insane players lol

[raw crag]

https://poe.ninja/builds/settlersssf/?timemachine=day-1
With a bit of experience, I think Day 1 SSF can still be referenced fine

[raw crag]

So is your plan to sit through 400div-worth of Legion before you can finally zoom?
Whisperer def seems like the class to go for High DPS tho

[tight kiln]

no

you have 4 frenzy charges you start you off

so i dont think its that bad

[tight oak]

im about to day 1 live search rotgut

cause attaching onslaught to my quicksilver when i have 4 frenzy charges for free is pretty good value

i don't think 50% return is as bad as you make it out to be tbh

cause is it really worse than returning proj incurring a 60-61% damage penalty

[raw crag]

Darkrays/Restless? FC doesn't give innate ms
Also Phase Run needs to consume the FC; minimum charges can't be consumed

[tight oak]

that node is part of why im kinda hesitant on prophet

cause the most random directions friendly attack is like splitting steel

the ones that actually like random directions are usually certain spells, so could go hits can't be evaded rune dagger coc

would benefit from the higher base crit, ignores blind without losing minor pantheon, and you get most of what you wanted nimis for in like a8

[tight kiln]

just dash or something lol

its not poe2

10ms on poe1 feels better than 35 ms on poe2

[blissful plume]

kitava's herald is 360% life so if we can get our zombies around there probably still viable

[tight kiln]

theres no such shit anymore

lol

spectre corpses has almost the same life throughout each other

its already nerfed from 2 or 3 leagues ago because jungroan detonated chayula corpse and instant one shot shaper in feared

[blissful plume]

so any rando corpse from descrate does the same dmg as normal corpses for dd now?

[tight kiln]

yes

im playing VD DD on 3.25 lol

[blissful plume]

With or without arcanist brand to cast?

[tight kiln]

Sir ive posted my pob like 400 times

Its cast on crit vd dd

If jungroan did the calcs are require 6 80% minion life node on elegant hubris to hit only 540k hp

30% of that is only 162k damage per second btw

LOL

Its so ass

[covert frigate]

oh nice i got to the first Envoy encounter

[toxic wing]

@covert frigate your wallet is calling

[covert frigate]

Finallu stash sale

Oh the discount is not that big huh?

Is the discount rate always the same?

[toxic wing]

I don't remember tbh

I got mine years ago

@tight kiln do you remember how much the discounts were ? Or if they can go higher

I remember it being discounted up to 10-30 depending on the item

[tight kiln]

huh

i remember quad being like 100

taking advantage of the hype from poe2

[blissful plume]

Yeah poe2 stash tabs sales had higher discounts

[covert frigate]

Damn you ggg

[toxic wing]

but yeah like kuo said i remember them being cheaper

just go for the manditory tabs for now id's say

[covert frigate]

Yeh guess ill do that

Just a premium tab and map tab

spend the rest on cosmetics

[toxic wing]

a quad tab is nice to have as well

maybe a bit expensive

[toxic wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C96gGd0bQyk

the last 30 seconds

[tight oak]

yeah i mean spells are disabled is a pretty killer node and not in a good way

[toxic wing]

oh wait petrified blood is a spell as well

so you cant even do low health shenanigans cause of it

[tight oak]

basically every aura and utility is a spell

war cries aren't spells, but autoexertion is

[tight oak]

i think i've decided on a build

https://pobb.in/acKJwj7pbrmX

i underestimated just how much free shit is baked into oshabi

there's like 3, 4 shrines you can get from innate blessing that just double or triple your dps

and a few that make you immortal

[covert frigate]

Are you fucking kidding me, i got one shotted right at the end of the post game lab

And this shit is so damn long

And now i have to find another goddess offering

Fucking hell

What a waste of time

[tight oak]

happens

[covert frigate]

My issue is how long ggg made post game lab

[tight oak]

idr what build you are so can't offer much

[covert frigate]

Its ridiculous

[tight oak]

poe 2 did me a favor

i no longer mind lab

[covert frigate]

Takes like 30 mins to get to the end

[tight oak]

cause floor 4 sanctum/10 round ultimatum for an ascendancy sucks

[covert frigate]

Forces you to take a detour mid lab to find a key

[tight oak]

once you get used to it lab takes like 10 minutes tops

doesn't really take memorizing layouts either

[blissful plume]

did u use poelab.com for faster routes?

[covert frigate]

What thats a thing?

Do i have to go to a 3rd party website for everything?

[blissful plume]

Yup

It's gonna be the same for poe2 anyway

[covert frigate]

Oh there are shortcuts and stuff in lab?

[covert frigate]

https://pobb.in/E7PGMH0nN9Mr

this is the build im using

i still get oneshot sometimes

[tight oak]

i can see why

you have very low defense

[covert frigate]

as in armor?

how do i get more

[tight oak]

not armour

you just lack defensive layers in general

[covert frigate]

not sure how to get more, just pray to rng?

[tight oak]

i'm personally not a fan of armour but generally people who have it have like anywhere from 40-100k+

is this explosive arrow elementalist

surely wave of conviction isn't our main skill

[covert frigate]

no, it is

[tight oak]

whose build guide is this

[covert frigate]

jorgen

[tight oak]

from 2023?

jorgen usually makes decent build guides

[covert frigate]

https://pobb.in/IViGwLjAdGZZ

this one

[tight oak]

oh it has molten shell on left click

[covert frigate]

yeh lmao

[tight oak]

which isn't a thing that can be done anymore unless you link it to automation

yeah okay jorgen says he updated it for 3.25 but the build is very outdated

[covert frigate]

yeh im aware

[tight oak]

for one determination was made weaker to shift more power into the higher bases

[covert frigate]

but its fine, im only planning on beating either searing exarch or Eater of Worlds with this char, whichever comes first

once im done with that, ill make a new char for the new legacy of phrecia event

this build can get that far, right?

[tight oak]

yeah i mean story exarch/eater can be done on 2 tin cans and a string

[covert frigate]

ok lmao

[tight oak]

just a matter of how easy it is

[covert frigate]

you make it sound easy when izaro can still one shot me

[tight oak]

i think the last time eater killed me was when it had like

gain 110% of phys as extra ele, times 2

mechanically speaking that fight is easy

exarch is the real shitter, mainly cause of B a l l s

[covert frigate]

is it like the arbiter of ash?

[tight oak]

i know very little about that fight

poe 2 towers made me drop the game

your DPS is okay, it'll be enough for them

your defenses are straight ass

it'll be doable but you can expect to die a lot

gonna have to redo my pob cause apparently the gain a random shrine every 10s is also only 10s duration which, fair, makes sense

can just shift the node to forest tracking or roots

[blissful plume]

Story eater and exarch are easier than uber lab izaro

[tight kiln]

i usually dont even do last lab until i get full 6L and reaching t16s

[blissful plume]

Wonder if most of the players are going pbod surfcaster

[tight kiln]

ye

its top pick for sure

surfcaster and whisperer 100% top picks

[blissful plume]

Non meta would be falling zombies then

Do the zombie falling count for the caustic ground node?

[blissful plume]

No sanctum for the event I guess

[toxic wing]

yeah empy said he was joining them

how does surfcaster pbod play btw to roughly get an idea of it?

[covert frigate]

Aight got my extra stashes

Only buying a currency stash and a premium stash for now

[toxic wing]

A map stash is nice as well if you got some spare points

Less space taken up by maps that way or inventory space

[blissful plume]

Probably same as normal pbod just more dmg from being possessed

[covert frigate]

Ill wait for bigger sale to get that

[tight oak]

From what I've been seeing lurking around discord and twitch

A lot of people are gonna pepega LS prophet

and then not understand why they're dying

Also gonna just copy Ben and go ps mines scion

I thought Whisperer would see some play but not that much on leaguestart, but connor turbo hyped up manaforged so can expect to see more

I was thinking about being a sanctum nerd in the event cause haha currency go brrr

but i think i should be able to get just as much blitzing t16s and selling idols

[tight kiln]

i probably sticking to lightning arrow whisperer

not sure tho

was thinking wildspeaker lightning arrow as well

[tight oak]

honestly whisperer might just be good enough to start as a bowcuck and transition to kb

[blissful plume]

ya gonna LA whisperer cuck and see how it goes

[tight oak]

i'd need someone else to pob whisperer I think

i'm noticing now it says 100% of phys taken from mana, not 100% of damage in general

[blissful plume]

wtf

[tight oak]

still mad good ofc but i'm no mana stacker so idk how to build it

[blissful plume]

why not just follow LA deadeye?

[tight oak]

the bow part isn't the problem

the transition to kb is

[blissful plume]

ur mana is dex

1 dex for 1 mana is op if it still stays the same

your mind is destroyed doesnt stack with kb anyway

[covert frigate]

im trying to figure out how to make the current woc elementalist char im running less squishy but i have no idea how, i think its just purely a gear thing?

[blissful plume]

i would say ditch armor bases and go es/eva bases

[covert frigate]

yeh im trying to, but i gotta reforge a bunch of socket color for that and im out of chromatic orb

[covert frigate]

damn crafting recipes need to be unlocked every league?

[toxic wing]

Yeah

Unless you play standard ig

But they're always in the same spot

So it's kinda easy

Unless the map rotates out but then they change it to another one

[tight kiln]

ye it comes easy for us when we've done it so many times

[tight oak]

honestly the one i miss sometimes is in a5 chamber

exp too juicy, just wanna blast packs

[covert frigate]

Actually, since im running eldritch battery, how does es help with defense?

[blissful plume]

no idea, this is kuo's baby

[covert frigate]

Lmao

[tight kiln]

huh

i forgot how i swapped over to eva es

https://pobb.in/lvzOcUmP6s8m if you need my pob again

but im pretty sure some shit doesnt work anymore

EB doesnt help with defenses. its used for auras so you can fully reserve mana and use ES for spells

but since divine blessing is not a thing anymore i dont think you go EB route

[blissful plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTAGmpcLMjw&ab_channel=Palsteron maybe this solves your problem

[covert frigate]

So im basically using a bricked build lmao

[tight kiln]

not really

you definitely still can run determination

i think the problem is you not having enough dps to push the maps you're in

league starters are suppose to be like basic shit cap ele resist have hp and just be able to run t16s

[covert frigate]

I mean dps isnt the problem i can still kill things quickly

But if i get hit once, i perma stun and die

[tight kiln]

whats your pob again

[covert frigate]

https://pobb.in/mBG2Vc6VlByR

[tight kiln]

do you not have chaos orbs or any currencies farmed

[covert frigate]

I have some, why?

[tight kiln]

are you not buying anything to improve your gear or just lost what to upgrade

swap out this area

do this and save 2 points

use that 2 points

add the 2 life/es node beside the aura node on the left side of the tree

remove this node

add +50 life mastery

[covert frigate]

Yeh idk what to upgrade

[tight kiln]

you need more life and resists

[covert frigate]

I have capped resist tho

[tight kiln]

just basically search for 80+ hp on helmet, boots, gloves, belt

ye but your gear is dogshit

you need to upgrade

80+ hp and resists

[covert frigate]

Lmao

Ok

[tight kiln]

armor search for corrupted 5 link with 100+ hp and resists

[covert frigate]

Why corrupted?

[tight kiln]

search for 2 blue 2 green 1 red

cheaper

[covert frigate]

Oh corrupteds are cheaper?

[tight kiln]

yes because you cant do anything to it

[covert frigate]

Makes sense

[tight kiln]

precisely why you search for proper socketed colors + some levels of stats

[covert frigate]

And do i go for armor or evade?

[tight kiln]

what auras are you using now

you can go evasion + ES

if you do

swap determination to grace

[covert frigate]

Im using vitality, herald of ash, determination, anger

[tight kiln]

but your mana is negative?

2 blue 2 green 1 red on your armor

WoC - swift affliction - burning damage - deadly ailments - unbound ailments

try not to use stygiajn vise for now

try finding a belt like this to cover your str

str, 36%+ resists, 80+ life

heavy belt

or leather

weapon = sceptre with +1 phys or fire, burning damage, fire damage over time. then slap a fire damage %

flat damage doesnt matter

change anger for hatred

flat damage doesnt do shit for ignite

get this flask

remove rotgut it sucks

you can follow my pob on gear but you can turn down the % or stats a little bit and see how much it goes from there

except helmet

dont follow helmet

[covert frigate]

Damn cheapest chest that meets the criteria is 13 chaos orb but requires 160 str

[tight kiln]

huh

gimme the link

on what you are searching

[covert frigate]

https://pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/pzaoo4wC0

[tight kiln]

ye standard is ass

lmao

how much chaos do you have

[covert frigate]

28

[tight kiln]

i rather you get the 20c one

its a 6L

and you can use the last red socket for cruelty

[covert frigate]

ok

tho since its ES, i wont get the defensive benefit from that

[tight kiln]

how much mana do you have remaining

[covert frigate]

0

well

31

but basically 0

[tight kiln]

hmm

you should remove vitality.

change anger to hatred

actually no

remove anger use malevolence

remove vitality

remove eldritch battery

[covert frigate]

that still only leaves me with 192 mana

[tight kiln]

ye 6L doesnt require 192 mana

[covert frigate]

malevolence + herald of ash + determination

[covert frigate]

but what if i need to cast for more than 1 second?

i can cast like 3 waves before im out of mana

[tight kiln]

if you want to run the eldritch battery

you need the helmet

ye its like

2 div

[covert frigate]

lmao

i dont even have 1 div

[tight kiln]

you need the

mana flask

sec

hmm

maybe i can just hand you some flasks to help

sec

[covert frigate]

nah i wanna learn how to get these stuff myself

[tight kiln]

the flask is like 10c

[covert frigate]

i have 8 chaos left, which one should i get?

[tight kiln]

will they even sell you

lol

[covert frigate]

why wont they?

[tight kiln]

7 days ago

1 year ago

get the 1c one

just cheaper

[covert frigate]

idk 7 days seems reasonable

welp guess not

no replies

[tight kiln]

god i miss this

strongge

[covert frigate]

lmao

guess ill look at weapons to see if i can get anything good

[tight kiln]

see how much stats this baby has

[covert frigate]

tho i think my dps is fine

so maybe not, maybe ill look at helmets and gloves

[tight kiln]

are you planning to swap to eva es?

[covert frigate]

idk, im just gonna look for the +hp and res that you told me

[tight kiln]

i miss this so much

[covert frigate]

i think this one looks pretty good

[tight kiln]

do you still have enough ress

if you swap out from your current gear

remember to calculate your ress

[covert frigate]

well rn i have 58 cold res, but if i swap the helmet with this, i have cap cold res, but undercap lightning

lmao

[tight kiln]

yeah lol

you need a mana flask like this

[covert frigate]

this is pain

[tight kiln]

if you plan to swap out of eb

so that even at max mana the effect from the mana flask doesnt end

[tight kiln]

how are you even searching lol

1c

https://pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/DbejXT5

go buy

[covert frigate]

i was searching for cold res

[tight kiln]

ye

search the list

lol

[covert frigate]

this doesnt give me cold res tho

[covert frigate]

or what, does that 70 res line give 70% to all res?

[tight kiln]

it calculates the total elemental resistance on the gear sir

im searching 60 life

[covert frigate]

i thought you said i should be looking for 80 life

[tight kiln]

i also said if you cant afford then drop the stats

sir you gotta understand that you entire gear needs an overhaul and you cannot afford anything above 2c besides body armor

[covert frigate]

i see

[tight kiln]

even this shield helps for now

[covert frigate]

when do i swim in chaos?

[tight kiln]

t16s\

lol

which is why we buy the bare basics to cover life and resists then rush to t16s

you also gotta find mechanics that helps you earn money early on

[covert frigate]

damn, this guy isnt replying either

do people even want to sell their stuff

generally how much health do i want to be able to reach t16?

[tight kiln]

3.5k 4k

[covert frigate]

oh im almost there

hm, maybe i could just replace my unique ring with a res ring

is this worth buying?

[tight kiln]

ye looks decent

[covert frigate]

oh this looks pretty nice

[tight kiln]

it will overwrite your curse tho

but ye looks good.

[covert frigate]

it only curse non-cursed enemy right?

so it wont override

the physical dmg converted to fire dmg will boost woc dmg right?

[blissful plume]

Depends if you don't have 100% phys to fire already

[covert frigate]

Ok i can't play with 200 mana,i need eldritch battery

[tight kiln]

get this 3 nodes

if you can remove something

then use herald of purity + ash

then if you want to

get whispers of doom, remove firestorm for elemental weakness

get this on mastery as well

you should double your dps with that

only changed tree and skill set ups

https://pobb.in/ZrTVx2i7_Sj_ level 88

atziri's promise adds another 14% dps on top of that

hope it helps with your mapping

deleting things before it deletes you is always a good choice in poe

[covert frigate]

Well all those gear increased my survivability at least

[tight oak]

It eventually becomes legitimate loss in profit for time spent making low value trades

Especially for longer leagues

Considering standard is the forever league uhh lmao

Also they changed the life mastery

Dropped it from +50 life to +30

I never take it anymore tbh

[blissful plume]

They nerfed it? When?

[tight oak]

Uhh 3.23 I believe

Maybe 3.24

It's practically never that the +30 gives more life than any of the small %life nodes in the wheel

Like assuming you have +100% increased max life when you take the mastery

It breaks even with a 6% small at 1000 base life with both giving 60 total

[tight kiln]

We are assembling the A S A, The Anti Sanctum Association. There are already over a 1000 members, we are pricing tomes at 2 divines, to prevent an infestation of sanctum runners to ruin the economy with their free divines they get off 20c tomes. Please join the A S A today by pricing all tomes at 2 divines. We have people positioned to buy tomes and delete them if at 20c.

[toxic wing]

20c profit for me

[tight oak]

I was debating being a sanctum runner or not for the start

But not getting gold for the town sealed it

[covert frigate]

bruh, wtf am i supposed to do against this shit?

[blissful plume]

decoy totem

[covert frigate]

alright guess ill run that

tho i feel like thats a bandaid solution for a deeper rooted problem

[toxic wing]

Yeah that's more of a poe problem for builds that have to get close in general

If you see the map mod contains goatmen or something similar with a high % packsize you'll likely run into that a lot

[covert frigate]

why did ggg make goatmen so busted?

why are they touhou characters?

[blissful plume]

cause u have map mods that add proj to them

[covert frigate]

it only adds 2

[blissful plume]

And goatmen come in packs so 3 fireballs gonna multiply

[covert frigate]

The fireballs arent the worst part, its the lightning spheres

Can't avoid them at all

[blissful plume]

You can, just need more cast speed to not stay still for so long

[covert frigate]

yeh i really want to get more cast speed, but i dont have any way to get more rn

[tight oak]

the best defensive layer in mapping content is not being on the same screen as the enemies

unfortunately not many can achieve that so we have to settle for others

[covert frigate]

yeh the enemy can def kill me from off screen

do i have to meta game and only approach maps laterally to take advantage of the rectangular viewport too, lmao?

[blissful plume]

Oh puppeteer is just doa for baron

[tight oak]

Get fucked minion players

[covert frigate]

I think ill need to switch my main strategy away from delirium, as much as i love delirium, my game freezes constantly when i activate it so i keepp dying

Whats a good currency farm strat that doesnt spawn a fuck tons of mobs all at once?

[blissful plume]

Expedition

Sanctum

[covert frigate]

Sanctum isnt even connect to maps right?

[blissful plume]

U get a lot of currency from it if you can complete it

[covert frigate]

Actually woc cast speed is way too slow to do sanctum

Whats the most optimal strat to farm currency with expedition?

[covert frigate]

Ey i managed to sell a unique for 1 chaos

[quiet wind]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-make-it-rain-1dollar-poor-gif-6041827

[covert frigate]

I made 1 dollar

[covert frigate]

bruh wtf is this?

tf do i do?

[copper mortar]

welcome to soul eater

[covert frigate]

If i press the attack button, i instantly get nuked

[tight kiln]

welcome to soul eater

why do you think we see the breach node with soul eater and like "oh nonono im not daling with that"

[tight kiln]

That is 100% with some form of crit on top of it lmao

[covert frigate]

Im back to 15 chaos after some trading and a bit of farming now

Got the atziri promise flask

Now just gotta grind instill to automate flask

[tight kiln]

Thats why we run evasion + ES base for spell suppression

[covert frigate]

I saw someone selling 500 instill for 1 chaos but no response when i dm lmao

[tight kiln]

Normal

I can hand you some when i get home from work

[covert frigate]

Nah its fine

I also see why expeditions are pretty easy farm now

Its not a gear check, just a logic check

[tight kiln]

Ye until you get the mods stacked together

[covert frigate]

Its still less gear check cause theres no time limit like delirium or legion or abyss, etc

[tight kiln]

which is why i explained yesterday

usually we do mechanics that earns some form of solid income early on

like strongbox

[tight oak]

most builds tend to gravitate towards a couple farm strategies

high single target that's mostly indirect / ranged (brands, mines, traps, etc) - sanctum, bossing, essences, harvest, expedition
fast asf map blaster - deli, legion, heist, invitation farming

[covert frigate]

well idk which mechanic gives solid income lmao

[raw crag]

They did Surfcaster dirty

Meanwhile Whisperer is solidifying itself as strongest ascendancy of the league event

[tight oak]

well

that practically solidifies my decision to play whisperer

effect of shrine buffs on small nodes is sick though

gambler gets rarity

[blissful plume]

wow scav and aristo getting more skill points

[blissful plume]

if it was in poe2, everyone would play it

[tight oak]

yeah we knew scav and aristo were getting passive points

like scav gets 3 notables of very high value and 5 small passives

very strong

[blissful plume]

herald looks even stronger now

[tight kiln]

time to watch 600 videos on farming strategies sir

[covert frigate]

i watched 2 today

[tight kiln]

i usually rush middle circle for map sustain

then go strongbox

every map 1 strongbox minimally

then from there see how it goes

usually by then i would have altars so i go red altars

[tight oak]

I think my usual atlas was like

Rush middle Kirac wheel, either Kirac wheel on bottom left or right

Get the map tiers wheel above middle and whichever side I went with

Left for essences, right for Jun

[blissful plume]

Hmm, to league start as whisperer or wildspeaker then whisperer

[blissful plume]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/QN9I3yv0pv

[tight kiln]

good luck. indigon gonna be expensive as shit this league

[blissful plume]

there's a way to get it to work before indigon anyway

[tight kiln]

ye but indigon triples your dps

[tight oak]

self farming uber elder is gonna be even more profitable in this event cause of it

probably just gonna go oshabi with a gull

[blissful plume]

gonna be 3/4 of the frags for uber elder

and the last one is like 100d

[tight kiln]

isnt indigon from uber shaper

oh uber elder

[toxic wing]

What are the builds atm for whisperer ?

[blissful plume]

manaforged arrows

KB of clustering

LS i think

[toxic wing]

Alk was talking onstream how he's not gonna torture his chat with ls

How expensive is manaforged arrows to get going overall

[blissful plume]

according to connor https://pobb.in/-SAyBRzNecTb this is 8c

also we get awakened fork without having to use a gem slot for it

and updated inspiration helps with mana costs

[toxic wing]

I'll coinflip on leagueday then

[blissful plume]

could always go herald purity or agony

[tight kiln]

hmm

lightning arrow whisperer huh my initial plan

minion seems deadge as shit for this league

[blissful plume]

does LA rely on weapons for dmg or sticking with a 3L from act1 is fine till a better bow drops

[tight kiln]

wow banking on 3L from the start

[blissful plume]

wdym? its a 3L

[tight kiln]

lucksack will forever be lucksack

[covert frigate]

is 3L that hard to get?

i feel like i got it pretty early too

[blissful plume]

nah u're supposed to only get 3L at act 3

[tight kiln]

i usually just go go and still 2L at act 5 sometimes

[blissful plume]

how do you even have enough dmg for that?

[tight kiln]

thats why you play something that can rush

also ive almost always minion league start and srs doesnt take anything to get going

[blissful plume]

pro

what builds can rush with the new ascendancies though

[tight kiln]

ive never played LA

so