Path of Exile

[feral sparrow]

That's elderslayer invitation alch & go

[civic trellis]

thanks

[feral sparrow]

No sextants no scarabs

[civic trellis]

whats all the horizon orb use for btw

[feral sparrow]

Rolling the conq maps into favorable layouts

Toxic sewers for t16,
Dunes or Ashen woods for t15,
Underground Sea for t14 (trash layout but boss drops divine beauty card)

[civic trellis]

24 maps run, so technically 48 bosses killed. 15 elderslayers dropped?

[feral sparrow]

yup

It's 60-70% sustain average for the invitation

[tight kiln]

bruh

[civic trellis]

damn yeah,ill need to check your atlas tree if you hve it handy

cause noticed you got 7div from lifeforce alone

[feral sparrow]

Power is out rn but I can try and remake it on my maptop

[civic trellis]

oh yeah whenever you can

[tight kiln]

lifeforce is free money

[civic trellis]

im guessing blue is not used at all

yellow is the most on demand

[tight kiln]

all olors are used

colors

i farm blue because yellow ones costs like 200c per 4 use lol

what i did was just mausoleum

harvest + blight lmao

[civic trellis]

ive lived in defiled cathedral for the past months

[tight kiln]

you definitely can go yellow if you got money

[civic trellis]

I need to try Uber Maven at some point, dunno what extra stuff she does

[feral sparrow]

https://poeplanner.com/a/4uz

[civic trellis]

you didnt bother with eater/exarch?

[feral sparrow]

any time spent on prep is time lost on this strat since most of your profit comes from just killing the map boss, so it's 0 setup and only fast mechanics

you need maven

[tight kiln]

you need maven witness

lol

i do harvest + blight and it takes like 3 minutes to clear the map + 1 more minute for blight

[civic trellis]

ah right

[feral sparrow]

I finished 24 sets in 4 hours, so roughly 6 invitations per hour, coming out to about 2.5min per map

you just run around the whole map (don't have to bother killing map monsters, they won't affect profits much)

pop essences, corrupt the relevant ones (misery, envy, dread, scorn)

[civic trellis]

so a layout like mesa is premium right

[feral sparrow]

go into harvest, look for yellow plots with 1+ blue monsters, or purple/blue plots with a boss and only pop those

yes

[civic trellis]

I need something different to do than the apo chase and this sounds fun

[feral sparrow]

blue monsters guarantee like 70+ lifeforce while white monsters are a % chance to drop ~20, if any, so I don't bother

[civic trellis]

bosses come up as orange still?

[feral sparrow]

We get around 40c/min on this strat, so anything that takes you a minute to do and doesn't guarantee you 40c, you lose money on

yes

[civic trellis]

ive yet to see one but im not specced into harvest

[feral sparrow]

3 points free, 1 for wandering path when you're running the invitation (boosts the invitation quant)

2 is free you can put wherever, I just run the speedy niko node

[civic trellis]

oh yeah I use that always

[feral sparrow]

for map rolling: conq maps I roll 80%+ cuz of the conq drops (20% of map quant affects the conq boss drops), and they drop some nice stuff like the fate card (4 set for cortex) and justified ambition (5 set for any synth map, even cortex)

for invitations: I roll 70%+ and vaal them for chance to hit 8-mod

Don't bother chiseling the conq maps, I tried and it wasn't worth it lol

[tight kiln]

i s2g i literally dont get exarch altars now

even with 50% rate up

fucking ninja nerfed

[feral sparrow]

50% is only for the first no?

and only right when you pop the influence in the map

[civic trellis]

ive been basically doing similar to this, minus the harvest stuff, so should be interesting

[tight kiln]

thats the first time i heard of that

[civic trellis]

my atlas was mostly specced for bossing and faster exarch/eater invitations

[tight kiln]

ye first only wtf

[civic trellis]

eh ive had maps where no alters spawn lol

[tight kiln]

same

[civic trellis]

and im specced into all the eater/exarch stuff

my tree was set up so that with 1 point I could activate any uber boss

and the quickest way I found out I couldnt kill any of them cept Shaper

[feral sparrow]

It's so weird cuz I sometimes had 0 eater altar spawns while running 100% pack size maps lol

and other maps I'd have 8+

so much variance

[tight kiln]

yeah

same

my highest was 10 altars

for eater

then like

3 maps in a row

1 or 0

[feral sparrow]

Ubers you either get enough DPS to instaphase and ignore mechanics
Or you get tanky enough to eventually kill them as long as you do the mechanics

A balanced build is just shit for it

Which is why me and sub and other people hate the term "Uber viable" when talking about a good build

[tight kiln]

i dont care about ubers

because i know i cant get anything good

[feral sparrow]

I lost like 50d on eaters and 30d on mavens so far lol

sirius pulled in clutch with flasks tho, got 2 from him over 50 sets

[tight kiln]

i watched my friend losing 20 div on uber sirius

[civic trellis]

I guess seismic poison is proabably the easiest build to kill ubers with

[feral sparrow]

cheapest*

[tight kiln]

cheapest

[feral sparrow]

easiest is... prolly coc fr?

spark is easier on some bosses

[civic trellis]

oh god coc fr is a thing?

[feral sparrow]

like maven or uue

[civic trellis]

i play self cast fr

[tight kiln]

ye

CoC FR is popular af

[feral sparrow]

it's the better version imo

[civic trellis]

ill need to work out what that uses

please use stasis prison I dont wanna sell that

[tight kiln]

nope

[feral sparrow]

1 mirror 200d to get going on full capacity (mageblood + gear), but it's 90% all res, CI, 50m dps

[tight kiln]

usually go CI

[civic trellis]

phew, ill stick to mine

[tight kiln]

then skins of the loyal with +4

[feral sparrow]

+4 loyal is a meme tho kek

when you want to glass cannon

doubles your dps but you get 1 shot

[tight kiln]

incandescent i guess?

then you perma take 75% elemental damage

[feral sparrow]

just rare

for aura effect on implicit

gives you enough aura effect to scale purity of ice to 90% all res

grasping mail ideal for 50% global defences, but saintly chainmail is also decent

[tight kiln]

oh e thats the expensive option

i might just go back harvest farming

just braindead easy

ayyy

[feral sparrow]

I might do CF champ league start next league to just farm legions next league, if champ isn't nerfed

prolly like, deli orb strand with legion, breach, and harbi

[tight kiln]

very pog

[civic trellis]

is that loot conversion rare, or using the sextant

[tight kiln]

nah legion just spawns a lot of rare mobs

[civic trellis]

Ah

[tight kiln]

not very common but not very rare either

[tight kiln]

is expedition farming still worth doing

[feral sparrow]

Always

[tight kiln]

back to harvest.expe for me i guess :/

oh nvm

expe cant be forced with sextants sadge

back to blight ig

HOLY FUCK ANOTHER ONE

[tight kiln]

OH FUCKING HELL

[feral sparrow]

Lmao

Oh yeah, here's winged scarab strat:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14gRW_hI5Hp_v-tnobzQ9tUiNwaYd_86xvuvRO9QBH50/edit?usp=sharing

109c/map

[tight kiln]

did you take wandering path for this?

[feral sparrow]

No, you need the altar spawn chance

[tight kiln]

how often does sacred grove appear without sextant

[feral sparrow]

Like 80% with stream of consciousness and full block on everything else

50-60% without soc

[tight kiln]

rip

elderslayer invite is like 130c each

maybe i try next time

dont really have enough maps to run either

[feral sparrow]

Ye but buying like 24 lasts you for like 60 maps

[tight kiln]

because the invite drops them?

[feral sparrow]

I just buy in full sets on tft and sell the variance

Yes

I ran 24 got 15 back

Which is about average from my experience

Can get some bad dry streaks tho

[feral sparrow]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, horizon orb only rolls the maps into natural t14/t15/t16, so can't roll into mesa since it's a natural t11. It can hit it on drop, so you can filter those out ig before you horizon orb

[toxic wing]

@tight kiln oh right i forgot about the heist stuff but you prob don't do that right?

[tight kiln]

ye i dont

[toxic wing]

yeah the prices prob already dropped a lot by now as well

[tight kiln]

@toxic wing

[toxic wing]

People are really after those divine cards huh

[tight kiln]

yeah everyone doing like 5 diviner at crimson temple

[toxic wing]

the droprate is that bad huh?

i never saw one card myself so yeah

[tight kiln]

idk hjow i got 2 of it during sentinel league

[toxic wing]

sentinel had the other loot system though so that could be why

[tight kiln]

yeah probs

[feral sparrow]

It's more for stacked decks

Also deli orb rewards aren't affected by tileset drops, so running div deli orbs has no effect on apothecary drops, it's just for extra profit

[tight kiln]

why stacked decks

[feral sparrow]

at current prices should be like 3-4x return per deli orb?

money

stacked decks will keep getting more expensive the later the league gets

cuz of more people doing stacked deck gambas

[tight kiln]

i see

[civic trellis]

I have like 40 corrupted defiled cathedrals with dud quantity, might try to farm up yellow life force with those

[tight kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU00lOq1NKE&ab_channel=CaptainLance9

bruh

[feral sparrow]

BA viable

it just looks like HoT autobomber with extra steps

[tight kiln]

A LOT of extra steps

[civic trellis]

hmmm even with all the Harvest node, its still kinda hard to proc harvest every map huh

[feral sparrow]

Yeah you need full block and steream of consciousness to make it reliable

Harvest's base chance of spawning is just so low

[civic trellis]

yeah I copied your tree for now. In your calculations, do you pre-buy conq maps or just had a bunch farmed?

[feral sparrow]

I just buy them on tft

0.35d/set

[tight kiln]

hella slow lmao

[feral sparrow]

5 hrs isn't bad

[tight kiln]

its with 7 league step so its slow

i thinki spent 30 mins trying to buy items on this toon

i think im underleveled too

its 24 points from quests right?

now how do i level

[civic trellis]

fuck I hate the flask usage drains resolve affliction in sanctum

accidentally get it in the middle of floor 4, run is bricked

they need to really rework or remove that affliction, literally zero way around it for some builds

[tight kiln]

yeah that shit sucks lmao

[feral sparrow]

1 breach rota 1 5-way rota = level 95 :)

If you're doing hollow palm smite you can just run like 2 eshes yourself to get to 70

Actually esh kinda hard w/o spell suppress and low hp pool, do the red ones

[tight kiln]

hm

what about uul netol

nvm

a normal t1 map gave me close to 2 levels lol

[feral sparrow]

Any of the breachlords are fine

Literally takes only 2 to go from 60 to 70 lol

[tight kiln]

I cant even kill

LOL

I cant even do like half the map because my gems are all shit

[civic trellis]

de struggle

I got to 75 with a hollow palm set up and then respecced

[feral sparrow]

Just buy a rota then lmfao

It's only really viable on good starter builds/dedicated powerhouses like hollow palm

[tight kiln]

My resists are negative

LMAO

I'll try to find some smaller gears for resists later

[civic trellis]

I think Maxroll has a hollow palm levelling build for every class

but you do need the twink gear

rock 2x le hueps for up to 60% all res

[feral sparrow]

I do string of servitude with resists and run call of the void for shatters

Helps with the rippy on-death stuff like porcupines during campaign

But there's no real "guide", it's just rush to closest cluster slot, then rush to precise technique keystone, then just stack dex and grab closest damage/life nodes

[civic trellis]

true

but I like my idiot proof step by step guides lmao

[tight kiln]

I bought my ashes so using it now

[tight kiln]

wtf im not doing any damage

[toxic wing]

skill issues

[feral sparrow]

[tight kiln]

I actually cant do blight LOL

[civic trellis]

getting about 8k yellow an hour, ish. not sure if thats optimal

roughly 2 divines an hour from yellows, not optimized juiced maps

[tight kiln]

Did you pick the lesser blue/purple nodes

[civic trellis]

yep

[tight kiln]

No growing hordes?

[civic trellis]

Nope, not now anyway, I am trying consciousness for higher harvest chance

[tight kiln]

https://streamable.com/30tlxm

i cant even do blight

[tight kiln]

friend says it looks like a normal coc ice spear

[tight kiln]

oh wtf

+1 pierce made it better

huh

[toxic wing]

you need to put more mirrors into the build

[feral sparrow]

I just went broke crafting triple elevated pierce boots kek

and it aint even done

-240d

[tight kiln]

bruh

[tight kiln]

all i did was add this

idk if there's any decent keystone to help me survive better

[feral sparrow]

send pob

[tight kiln]

https://pastebin.com/smcW3cCL

im level 88

still need like 5 points for my last med cluster

uh 3*

have 2 points on standby

does exposure stack?

[feral sparrow]

ok first get brine king for freeze immunity xd

[tight kiln]

ye got it already

this is purely for exarch

[feral sparrow]

First thing's first, grab these 3 nodes

Full EVA based defences rely on either high life pool or Ghost Dance to survive

[tight kiln]

i only have 230 es tho

[feral sparrow]

yours has neither

Because evasion is entropy-based (i.e the game FORCES you to get hit at the chance it says, so you WILL get hit once every 5 hits with 80% evasion chance)

you'll get hit for some big hit every once in a while that'll just completely obliterate you

[tight kiln]

yeah

[feral sparrow]

you want at least 5k life + ES combined pool

for more comfortable survivability, 6k

[tight kiln]

i dont think thats possible for a CoC tornado shot

[feral sparrow]

drop some damage nodes.

and spell suppres

you're not capped, no reason to have spell suppress if you can't cap it

you'll eventually want to replace your gear with eva/es bases

[tight kiln]

its really hard to cap it

[feral sparrow]

to get your es up to like 600

you don't have to cap it if you can get a decent life/es pool tbh

but in turn you do have to play better

[tight kiln]

[feral sparrow]

the problem rn is asenath's being core

[tight kiln]

yeah

[feral sparrow]

losing helm slot loses you like 25% spell supp

from t1 spell supp and the mastery

I don't think you can cap it without watcher's tbh

and getting more from tree is kinda unrealistic/waste

so just drop all the spell suppress

get as much life/es as you can

[tight kiln]

interesting

kk

this node should be ok right?

the one near the bottom left

[feral sparrow]

with this tree and eva/es gear (literally just copied your current gear's stats over, you have 4.3k hp and 560 es

Still a bit less than would be comfortable, but it'll do

[tight kiln]

i need an int node

its the reason why i decided to route over to the crit multi side

[feral sparrow]

just grab the one on the right

til you can fix it on gear that is

[tight kiln]

yeah

fuck i cant reset my sanctum

on my old charcater

i already remove all the gears zz

i think i add the hp nodes for now

cuz i need like another med cluster

[feral sparrow]

Oh yeah, take out your cluster nodes

You don't go into clusters until like 98

points on the tree are >>>>>>>>>>> clusters
before level 95-98

[tight kiln]

im surviving pretty okay with 4.5k hp rn

and 230 es lmao

254* es

my plan is uh

get this node

remove my pierce relic

for another relic

probably this one

then i reroll my unnerve gloves for something else

then after that

i go 3 points to heart of oak and it will push me to 4.7k hp

[civic trellis]

holy fucking shit Ive needed that flask mod for the whole league

that would save me like 3 points on the tree

tho problem is my current relic gives me 20% damage recoup which is a bit too good

[tight kiln]

wtf 20% recoup

??????????????????

[civic trellis]

yup

[tight kiln]

what kind of OP shit is that

[civic trellis]

and it was a prefix, suffix was just faster brand attachment

which was okay for arcanist brand cursing I guess

ah fuck, the flask charges thing is a suffix

so the perfect relic is 20% damage recouped as life prefix, and flasks gain charges every 3 seconds suffix

I mean I also have a relic that gives 12% reservation efficiency which is pretty nuts

[tight kiln]

wtf

[civic trellis]

i go from 15 mana to 80+ mana if I put it on

but no +1 end/frenzy/power charge ones yet, those are the big bois

or skills fire an additional projectile

[tight kiln]

man

sniper's mark is so fucking broken

[civic trellis]

Yeah its pretty bonkers for spread, you dont have to waste damage with gmp

[tight kiln]

i dont even have awakened gmp yet

[civic trellis]

i use anomalous for the cast speed

[tight kiln]

im cast on crit tornado shot ice spear

so all projectile works for me

POG

[civic trellis]

i regret selling those'

[tight kiln]

why

im selling them

fuck it

[civic trellis]

but muh yellow lifeforce lol

[tight kiln]

that harvest beast

[civic trellis]

Oh wait these are the rerolls

[tight kiln]

not sacred griove

yeah

[civic trellis]

yeah ive yet to try that

I assume you cant roll a 2mod watchers eye into a 3mod

[tight kiln]

i dont think you can add

[civic trellis]

i do wanna reroll some of my shitty awakened gems

[tight kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pme05e8SaE&ab_channel=CaptainLance9

[feral sparrow]

If you have rare chest slot open you can also just run the eldritch implicit

[civic trellis]

I unfortunately use Stasis Prison lol

[tight kiln]

Cant get from belt?

Or clusters

[civic trellis]

My belt needs a bunch of specific flask related mods

[tight kiln]

Clusters?

[civic trellis]

nah dont think clusters have any of those mods

Alchemist's Genius is the closest

[tight kiln]

No harm checking it out

[feral sparrow]

aren't most self-cast fr pathfinders cuz of that

[civic trellis]

The guy who made this build would have probably used it since that is the key thing it runs on

I even take Traitor, a keystone from a Timeless Jewel

and then limit myself to 4 flasks

[feral sparrow]

"flasks gain x charges every x seconds" only exists in pathfinder ascendency, body armour eldritch impicit, relics (now), and the flask mastery (1 charge every 3 seconds, only applies to utility flasks)

It's scalable with "increased charges gained"

[civic trellis]

Gain 4 Flask Charges per empty Flask Slot every 5 seconds

[feral sparrow]

so if you have 100% increased, you get 6 charges instead of 3 every 3 seconds on the pathfinder ascendency

[civic trellis]

Yep

but my build needs just enough to make a 28% dying sun permanent

my belt takes care of two mods. Increased effect of flasks, and players use reduced flask charges

[tight kiln]

Cant stack alchemist genius?

[civic trellis]

slammed with a hunter exalted orb for chaos damage

its just a buff

[tight kiln]

The effects of it

Hm

[civic trellis]

having two does nothing

[tight kiln]

What about duration so that every time it goes off you have max charges readily available

[civic trellis]

flask duration breaks my build because of progenesis

I cant stack too much of it

duration from gear/tree that is

Basically if I can stand in hideout, press my dying sun, come back 10 minutes later and see its still going, that means I did it

ofc its not a huge deal if its not infinitely looping, because typically in a map im also killing stuff

but I try to get as close as possible to it

This is just the budget version anyway, the real version just uses mageblood and sacrifices the unique flasks cept Progenesis

[feral sparrow]

I just do "when full" enchant

but then again pathfinder has the op aegis heal

[civic trellis]

i run those all of them, cept for dying sun

dying sun runs on reused at the end of duration

and the idea is that my build gains enough charges passively before dying sun runs out

but ofc the best part is, I can stay dead in a boss fight for the entire time, and as long as my progenesis is going, I can never die. I tested this while trying to kill a pack in an immortal shrine

I got stuck, and couldnt die

my flask was forcing me to stay alive

[tight kiln]

Same i just get 4 flasks with t1 chance to gain charges with crit and use when full lmao

[civic trellis]

yea thats kill reliant

my flasks fill up from thin air

[tight kiln]

Not kill

Just have to crit

[civic trellis]

action reliant

[tight kiln]

Ye its fine that way for me

[civic trellis]

Specially fighting bosses, its nice that I dont have to rely on hitting the boss or ads for my charges

[tight kiln]

Lucky i dont need any unique flasks

Pure magic

Dont need dying sun either

[civic trellis]

yeah im the opposite, I wanted to make a build that could stand in the middle of Uber Exarch

and not care about the balls

mission successful, I just stay 0/6000hp thanks to Progenesis

Still cant tank Uber Shaper beam tho

that damage chunks down my pertrified blood also

[tight kiln]

Lucky i dont care about ubers

Because i wont get anything from them

[civic trellis]

These guys have been out for too long and I still haven't killed all of them so

this league they finally going down

maybe

i also wanted to try a charged 5 way...

[tight kiln]

Im too much of a "i wanna play flashy skills on a budget but they dont work on a budget" guy

Like my current build is only 200 div

Probably way lesser if i craft but knowing my luck with crafting lol

I snagged a nice bow for 40 div too

[civic trellis]

see thats the problem, the normal content can be done with a 10div build

and im like...then why would I wanna spend 200div on normal content, I'd expect to kill the ubers

but that definitely a personal preference

[tight kiln]

Ye ofc

But those are boring builds

If i wanna tank ubers and shit i just follow steelmage pathfinder impending doom

Ez

[civic trellis]

im proud to say ive gone through 11 years of this game without touching traps and mines lmao

[tight kiln]

I havent played those yet as well

[civic trellis]

but plenty of totems, which is also a boring archtype

[tight kiln]

I started in delirium league

No totems either

I will probably try one next league tho

Ive only played shadow ranger witch

[civic trellis]

I started when it went free, cause the game had a $10 buy in back when it was only Act 1 and 2

[toxic wing]

you guys never played seismic?

[tight kiln]

Wanna try out other classes

Nope

[toxic wing]

smh

[civic trellis]

I remember when Seismic and Lightning spire came out

slash spit

[tight kiln]

I did shadow blade fall blade blast in deli and cleared all contents

[civic trellis]

but I understand, as someone who abused Blade Vortex for years

[tight kiln]

Assassin*

[civic trellis]

was there any other choice

[tight kiln]

I dont like balde vortex

Although its broken

[civic trellis]

I got to become a beyblade

but then again it was simpler times when playing a pure physical bleed cyclone build with Atziri's Disfavor was actually top tier

[tight kiln]

I played like 4 builds last league

Was fub

Fun

Occultist cyclone CoC ice spear

And forbidden rite

Into poison spark

Kinda wanna farm a mageblood now given how fucking fun tornado shot CoC ice spear is for me

[civic trellis]

I just played boring old Elemental Hit

[tight kiln]

https://streamable.com/dqsgmd

This is without awakened gmp too

[civic trellis]

im a one build Andy. it had to take a lot in me to switch from EA to FR this league

[tight kiln]

Im a 1 character andy

It also took a lot for me to play another character

LOL

[civic trellis]

If I make another char, it will be that cheese 1hp Sanctum clearer char

[tight kiln]

I dont mind swapping builds so long i can swap ascendency.

[civic trellis]

but I havent had the papyrus drop at all

[tight kiln]

But if its another class welp no way

I have 1 in my stash

But im not gonna make one + i have skill issues so

[civic trellis]

ill try it out, and if I fail, ill just buy one before the league ends

a souvenir for standard

[tight kiln]

You dont think the ring will make it to next league?

[civic trellis]

Original Sin that is

I mean sure, it might, but man

[tight kiln]

I know relics is out

[civic trellis]

It will depend on how frequently we run into it

[tight kiln]

I really wanna try a CoC with original sin man

But tornado shot with it requires like 6 arms and 8 legs to build

[civic trellis]

what is going on, none of my websites are working but discord is fine

your video didnt load either

[tight kiln]

Probably cold convert with expedition's end + heat shiver

Into original sin

[civic trellis]

Original Sin was coming down in price, last I checked

[tight kiln]

But in that case omni tornado shot would have been better

I still havent sold my stuff so im only at 10 div now

https://youtu.be/cHErJd9Bev8

[civic trellis]

sheesh its come down to under 80div

about the same price as a good rolled Stasis Prison

HmMMMMmmMM

[tight kiln]

Poison SRS

Too OP

Poison gonna get nerfed next league for sure

[feral sparrow]

every dot gets nerfed next league

we'll be forced to heavy strike to maps

[tight kiln]

I thought ignite is okay?

Isnt ignite vortex pretty balanced

My friend did ubers with cold vortex though

[normal vapor]

poison/temporal chains is the main problem

the other dots are fine/mid

[tight kiln]

Isnt wither stacks broken as fuck as well

Just the interaction on top of those 2

[feral sparrow]

I don't mean like end-game viability, I mean league start viability kek

[normal vapor]

wither by itself isnt the problem, chaos damage is kinda balanced by having it

original sin with wither is broken

[feral sparrow]

literally only dot builds on the table rn for being strong enough for league start

All the other elements can just get both flammability/conductivity/etc + elemental weakness + penetration to get ridiculous penetration damage multipliers

meanwhile chaos only has, like, despair

[tight kiln]

Yeah

Original sin is broken

For sure.

I wanna get it just for the heck of it

[feral sparrow]

for bossing it's pretty nice, but mapping is kinda meh since you can't off-screen anything

the range on it doesn't extend past the screen

[tight kiln]

True

But isnt converting all element to chaos itself OP enough

You can triple dip in all 3 ele and just covert into chaos

Its why expedition's end spiked in price

[feral sparrow]

triple dipping isn't as op as you'd think tbh, there's not that many sources that scale all elemental damage

what makes original sin OP is all the gain and conversion modifiers you can stack

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/lcqcDKphbAg

Blade trap lol

I see.

https://youtu.be/VK5odZzqa_M

Maybe can do this for mines etc

[civic trellis]

forbidden rites + wither is already insane damage. I couldnt imagine original sin + wither

ah that guy is using The Traitor too

[civic trellis]

3am time to farm yellow life force

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/huXiz3Dbxds

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/fFInLj6hWHU

[toxic wing]

well nothing new

the poe reddit is sus as well

but that's also nothing new

[tight kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBx1GgKnCM&ab_channel=hrsgitdhuddhtdv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9As4knBD0hs&ab_channel=TheMehmetBozlak

[tight kiln]

finally.

[blissful plume]

i thought he got banned from the poe reddit for something he said

[blissful plume]

why would reddit mods lie about that when they are already getting rid of bad faith posts

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/zhutnRoKn4I

[toxic wing]

No clue as to why he got banned,but he got banned the second he posted the video so eh pick your poison
They also removed screenshots he tried to post right away,some of them were the ones where the mirrors suddenly went up huge in price when the video was posted.
But tft changed it from scammer to phobe word to harsher words. He does outright say that he does curse and may come off as rude but says he doesn't care much about it.

As for why would they lie? Honestly i still think they're still in kahoots with tft or the owner atleast or they're getting paid on the side from them or something
their 9c rule is the main reason for it,they remove any or most of the time stuff that paints tft in a bad light or when they're is drama
or they selectively let some posts stay up and remove others. When belton posted the video he got banned instantly and tft started going through his patreon
and discord server and started banning members associated with him,even mirror item crafters.

Either way the timining is way too sus,they do admit to having an mod or an ex mod that used to be part of tft but claim he was a janni with no acces no the mirror stuff shop or not high atleast.
But one of the whistleblowers who used to craft mirror gear claims they're still is a tft mod who's also a reddit mod so it could be damage control

[blissful plume]

The reddit mod list also isn't up to date

[tight kiln]

Just rmt stuff

Also

Sucks that the game is so reliant 3rd party like pob, craft of exile, poedb and shit

[toxic wing]

I don't see ggg doing anything tbh

one guy posted 250 mirrors in general chat to laugh at belton

so in a sense they think they can get away with it

then again how do you even create a system to host 3 ways and so on

they could use the poe trade method and make people login

but yeah i doubt they're gonna throw resources at it

[tight kiln]

All you need is an auction hoise

House

But no

Player interaction is important when we solo blast 99% of the content

[blissful plume]

Auction house for the small multiple stacks of currency makes sense

GGG arguing against using it with examples of trading gear has always been avoiding the question

[tight kiln]

Because they want pLaYeR inTeRaCtIoN

[feral sparrow]

Also these sweatlords would be pumping bots into the economy to flip currency all day

[blissful plume]

Aren't they already doing that even without a currency auction house

[toxic wing]

they are yeah

heck the best hideout traders in the game atm are bots with auto messages

also the most reliable ones for currency

[feral sparrow]

Those bots don't buy off the market to flip prices tho

they bulk buy off tft and sell them

[tight kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43nc3IqOZhw&ab_channel=天堂鳥

wtf

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/TB7mhjOpu5w

Jesus fucking christ

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/uheJoU4qedk

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/6WIWF0Ly0k8

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/cLEqjxiwr48

Jesus christ

[toxic wing]

well more tft drama

one of their mods got caught rmt some more

quitty exposed some more ppl later on as well in that same post

[tight kiln]

I mea

Its open knowledge at this stage lmao

[toxic wing]

Oh yeah,it's just that there is so much of it in the open

but nothing is gonna happen

[tight kiln]

GGG wont do anything

Because the game is so reliant on 3rd party like craft of exile, poedb and shit

[toxic wing]

kinda sucks but that's ggg for you

last epoch is experimenting with multiple trade systems meanwhile

[tight kiln]

I kinda wanna try something else

[toxic wing]

you could try it i guess but it's not poe entirely so yeah

[tight kiln]

Theres one more game

Cant remember the name

[toxic wing]

grim dawn?

it's an interesting system

i can see poe doing the thing for ssf

but it's highly unlikely

[tight kiln]

Its some uh

Cartoon like

Oh

Torchlight

[toxic wing]

oh torchlight

i wasn't a fan of the artstyle of that one

[tight kiln]

https://youtu.be/C6kcei5HHX0

The customization is more insane than poe

And your deterministic crafting QoL is maxed out

[blissful plume]

so they made it better now?

[tight kiln]

What grimro said feels like its better than poe in almost every aspect except the graphics

But im okay with it

[blissful plume]

tft reddit mod probably isn't awake to delete the post

[tight kiln]

I feel like trying tbh

Its link to mobile as well right

[blissful plume]

yup like undecember

[tight kiln]

Very cool

[tight kiln]

someone has a negative review 2hrs in

then continued to play another 3k hours on the torchlight

[blissful plume]

just like poe players

[feral sparrow]

320 hours in 2 weeks wtf

Literally only 16 hours outside of the game, actual no-life

[blissful plume]

its a mobile game too

so u can play it on your commutes

[feral sparrow]

Yeah but that's still not enough time for sleep kek

[civic trellis]

I assume TL Infinite still has a gacha

[blissful plume]

f2p mobile model

[tight kiln]

The gacha is on skins

And pets that dont really matter

[blissful plume]

paid auto loot for pets right

[tight kiln]

The free auto loot is good enough

The free ver picks up like alteration up to chaos orbs tier i think

Paid ones is exalted and divines and shit.

[tight kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peDyfcICCNI&ab_channel=UzbekIsOnFire

oh someone did kinda the strat Jin did

[feral sparrow]

Lol that thumbnail

Also no this is nothing like what I did kek

I did full juice conq crimson temples

[tight kiln]

thats why its kinda

[tight kiln]

torchlight is pretty fun

im almost at the t16 equivalent and my resists are still fucked LMAO

[toxic wing]

how much faster than poe is it?

[blissful plume]

how much do u have to pay for 6L

[tight kiln]

its not faster

the are doing like

the older kinda of

uh

progression in poe

4 zones

fight 4 bosses to fight sirius

i just killed sirius

the auto loot isnt very OP tbh

it only loots low to mid tier currencies

even the paid one

theres also no need to like

play a league starter into a higher skilled or investment character

most of the league starter carries you all the way to infinity

like my build ive seen people doing 2 bil dps im only at 20m

there's a lot of QoL poe can learn from tbh

like fucking not walking to the loot to loot what yo\u need

im not sure how to juice maps yet though

[blissful plume]

u need to learn what weight feels like

wat does money buy then? power or only cosmetics?

[tight kiln]

cosmetics

and some pets that you can get for free

the legendary pets arent worth it because you need multiple copies of them for barely any power gain

the free "paid" currency they give is sufficient enough to expand your storage too

very cool. crafted 2 mid tier weap for myself and it can last till later

just doubled my dps to 44mil

[feral sparrow]

Am I the only one that doesn't feel the strain of manual looting lol

[tight kiln]

i felt it farming chayula splinters

shits rough

[feral sparrow]

Bruh why you showing individual splinters

[tight kiln]

even 2 by 2

[feral sparrow]

I didn't do that even when farming deli orbs

[tight kiln]

or 3 to 5

[feral sparrow]

If it's below 1c, I aint wasting my clicks for that

[tight kiln]

https://streamable.com/7614vd

i had to lower my skill sfx for this build

i wanna play a cast on crit later on though.

this was earlier though. i move much faster now

there is also revival tokens given so you dont lose exp when you die

[tight kiln]

wow okay they werent kidding when it says extremely dangerous LMAO

LOL

at least they gave 1 of it for free

[toxic wing]

what's a 12 slot premium booth?

[tight kiln]

auction house

idk what the premium does

but by default you are given a free one and a premium one

the auction house needs a lot of work tbh

but at least its there

[feral sparrow]

meanwhile I'm still in campaign

[tight kiln]

the bosses attacks are very telegraphed so you can just dodge them all lmao. i think t1 to t7 is just easy. t8 is when you start getting one shotted.

i thought poe was zoomy

man

paelstron has some 500% move speed erika

[feral sparrow]

no idea when the tiers are, but at level 49 area rn and no issues w/def

[tight kiln]

its like

t1 to t16 maps

i think the crafting will be too easy for you

because you can basically force it until you get it

take it like the older altas for poe

where you have different zones

kill 1 conq and up the area tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxUzhvufcgI&t=35s&ab_channel=Palsteron

he has negative resists

LOL

[feral sparrow]

that tells me nothing

[tight kiln]

uhhh

i think you start end game at like level 60

ye about 58 to 60

or lower

like this is their "atlas"

realm lord is sirius

great void is some other bosses stronger but i dont have the invite to go in

then each area has this timemark which dictates the tier of the area

to level a tier you need to clear 10 maps of that area and fight the area's boss, which is essentially like conquerors

i think it goes from like 6 to 11

as you go up the tier you need to clear 1 more map

i still dont know the ruccrencies yet

but flame elementium is like the core currency in trade

essentially your exalts. there is no divine to reroll the tier

rerolling numbers of a tier is done by crafting materials called Ember

Flame Fuel = your currency drops

stuff like this

this is their "divine"

what are you playing btw?

[feral sparrow]

just doing my own build

been trying out a bunch of skills, kinda settled on hammer of ash for now

[tight kiln]

idk wtf that is

[feral sparrow]

It's a slam skill that throws out homing projectiles

[tight kiln]

what character are you playing

[feral sparrow]

the melee dude

[tight kiln]

i started with genna

i think testing builds is free and easy up until tier 8

thats where shit gets hard

[feral sparrow]

I think I made a pretty decent build

[tight kiln]

i immediately went into a guide

like poe

playing an autobomber rn

[feral sparrow]

I don't follow guides if the game is simple enough to be creative lol

poe though, complete decision lock literally impossible to make choices

[tight kiln]

my friend who played torchlight 1 and 2 said torchlight early game is entry level arpg

then it just smacks you in the face with the difficulty spike

i got one shotted with 76% resists and like 3.5k es

im doing back to t7

i dont have enough damage for t8

at 44mil dps

there is a training dummy at the end campaign map to test your dps. pretty cool function ngl

you can set the difficulty of the dummy

[blissful plume]

why is server selection for america and EU only 11ms which is 2ms slower than asia?

shouldn't it be alot slower than a mere 2ms?

[tight kiln]

idk

my america and eu servers are like

100ms++

asia is like 7

early game is really entry level arpg its easy as shit

the story is dogshit though

i hate the voice acting

poe voice acting is still top notch

bgm too

the girl that follows you in the campaign

i wish you can mute her

for league mechanic im following this

https://youtu.be/1K3rkaeIsJc

????????????

[tight kiln]

not bad get 3

[tight kiln]

very cool 86m dps now

[blissful plume]

u have to pay for ascendencies that cannot be changed from the start?

[tight kiln]

what

i didnt pay anything for that

ascendency point reset is free below level 80

[blissful plume]

i mean u start the game with a fixed ascendancy before allocating points

but there's ascendancies that u have to pay for

like the dwarf and berserker ones

gotta pay to play SRS

[tight kiln]

you mean classes?

you can do the basic given classes and there will be achievement points you get to unlock them

later on

oh i see what you mean

idk im not gonna touch those any time soon since i bought the season pass to get erika

might buy thea tho

isnt the dwarf here

i dont think there's much difference in either of them

[blissful plume]

the dwarf has a 2nd ascendancy

u need to look for it in the shop

[tight kiln]

ye

ik

but you dont need it

[blissful plume]

the 2nd ascendancy lets u do SRS

yeah but u cant switch to that playstyle after choosing the base one

[tight kiln]

its summon spiders right?

https://maxroll.gg/torchlight-infinite/build-guides/order-calling-moto-decayed-mind-spider-tank-guide

default dwarf

[blissful plume]

yeah but the base one doesnt explode

[tight kiln]

you get more specialized ver with the alternate ver but its not required

[blissful plume]

the paid one lets u explode them

wat does the BP give anyway

don't understand what's being given there

[tight kiln]

a lot of free crystals

revival token

aka you use them so you dont lose exp

when you die

[blissful plume]

oh

do u delevel when u lose exp?

[tight kiln]

you only really need to use them from level 90 onwards tbh

that idk

i dont think so

because every level gives you talent points

it'd be stupid to delevel and remove 1 talent point

you only lose 10% exp at level 90 onwards

[blissful plume]

good way to incentivize buying the revivals

[tight kiln]

erika is a new unit

iirc she will be available to purchase next league with the credits you can get this league

[blissful plume]

is she on the first track of the paid BP?

[tight kiln]

ye

[blissful plume]

k fucking weird UI when they don't even display her name when i click on her

[tight kiln]

like

level 1

paid

the auction house needs a lot of works

fucking type search function doesnt work

[tight kiln]

nice crafted a mid tier amulet

[tight kiln]

ye doesnt feel like its worth farming t8 at all unless you have lik 300m dps or some shit

[tight kiln]

holy shit

[tight kiln]

pog

[tight kiln]

rip stuck with this for now

[tight kiln]

very pog

ye the strat is doing pretty well

[blissful plume]

wats the recommendation on rolling the pactspirits

[tight kiln]

i have no clue

the rares are good enoguh iirc

but i try to use the ones that give drop quant

[blissful plume]

did u roll completely on the beginner banner?

[tight kiln]

ye

[feral sparrow]

???

[tight kiln]

???????????????

im using these 3 now

right and bottom gives flame fuel quantity drops

my next upgrades are like

expensive as shit

from what i understand there is no magic find gears at all

so pets are the only way tog et more quant

[blissful plume]

are people using pets to get resists and then have only erosion resist on their gears?

[feral sparrow]

I'm at the point of the game where I should probably just look up a guide lol

300k dps at lv 70 maps xd

pretty happy with my defences tho

although this game seems to practically give out defensive solutions like candy

are there even any starter rehan builds kek

only seeing whirlwind and it being nerfed or smth

[blissful plume]

think its only whirlwind for rehan despite the nerf

[tight kiln]

my dps doesnt work

on my screen

cuz it shows your main skill dps but mine is on my cwc

[tight kiln]

im on quant

my erosion is -8 lmao

[blissful plume]

info page doesnt show your passives?

[tight kiln]

wdym

oh

nope

doesnt show cwc

thats why i have to do it on a level 85 dummy to test

[blissful plume]

really? cause it shows my passives even if there's nothing for them

[tight kiln]

ye i just checked

it shows all my auras

except cwc

[blissful plume]

huh that's so damn weird

[tight kiln]

ik

shows the 4 auras i have and 1 that im leveling but not cwc

[blissful plume]

probably cwc fucks with their calcs so much that things get broken

[tight kiln]

what build are you guys playing?

[blissful plume]

flame slash gemma

[tight kiln]

ah

you need any uniques?

idk if i can find any

im playing auto bomber gemma

[blissful plume]

no idea, only thing i want is a better one handed sword base with physical

[tight kiln]

i only got 1h daggers lmao

[blissful plume]

lol

how rare is broken sun ring from traveler?

[tight kiln]

this game incentivizes dual wielding too much

very i think

broken sun ring?

oh its a neck

[blissful plume]

yeah confusing name choice right

[tight kiln]

i see a few at 5 FE up to 600+

[blissful plume]

wait why does it say drops everywhere

[tight kiln]

i havent seen it drop on the general maps

jesus christ leveling from 95 to 96 is like fucking level 99 to 100 in poe

one of the aura i need is like 114 FE

[blissful plume]

not all auras can be bought from the skill shop?

[tight kiln]

some requires levels

usually everything gets unlocked at level 55

wow first time a precise skill drops

2 FE

i like how small some of the maps are

finish under a minute

[blissful plume]

i like how you can spam movement skills continuously

[tight kiln]

yeah

there are some skills on cd tho

[blissful plume]

some but leap attack and spiral strike are great movement skills without cd

[feral sparrow]

How expensive is the savage charge rain of arrows rehan build lol

[blissful plume]

wats the core equipment for it

[feral sparrow]

https://maxroll.gg/torchlight-infinite/build-guides/anger-rehan-savage-charge-rain-of-arrows-guide

Expensive legendaries apparently

[tight kiln]

lol that helmet

i think infinity is the cheapest in there

[blissful plume]

8k FE for the build

according to the video comments

[tight kiln]

thats like 8 mirrors

[feral sparrow]

Kek

[blissful plume]

[feral sparrow]

That's the only rehan build that looked fun too f

[tight kiln]

erika builds are boring as shit

its all berserking blade or lightning slash

[feral sparrow]

There just doesn't seem to be much variety in the skills tbh

[tight kiln]

yeah its basically like poe

[feral sparrow]

Melee skills are just 5 different flavors of strike kek

[tight kiln]

but its onyl season 2 now

hopefully there are better shit later on

[blissful plume]

the game only has 2 story chapters too

[tight kiln]

isnt it 5

[blissful plume]

i mean the nether realm chapters don't count as actual story right?

its just a tutorial/introduction for the endgame

[tight kiln]

idk i only know the npc following us is annoying as shit

[blissful plume]

yeah and we lost that npc at the end of chapter 2

[tight kiln]

the juicing is pretty annoying this game though

but at least you dont have to keep running the same map over and over

btw

if you guys get this shit

you can store the entire map's soul and spam V to keep summoning until you cant

[blissful plume]

wat its not like poe where u have to use it or lose it?

[tight kiln]

nope

QoL bro

its good if you combo it with statue of war

which is basically delirium on a faster timer

i fucking hate statue of might

the fucking burning ground is annoying

[blissful plume]

wtf

huh the enemies that tunnel or teleport

as long as they haven't appeared yet are technically still damageable at their original spot

[tight kiln]

yep

man

only glacier boss you can dps fast enough to skip phases

florescent memories are basically cards in poe btw

very pog

[blissful plume]

are they affected by drop rarity?

[tight kiln]

not sure

i dont actively hunt them

all my juice cards are embers/FE

and drop rarity + quant

[blissful plume]

eh 17 rolls for a not attack/survival pet

wats a servant anyway

[tight kiln]

minions

[blissful plume]

then where does spirit magus come from?

[tight kiln]

uh

the final node

if you slot into your pact

like the outer ring nodes

[blissful plume]

still doesn't explain what skill is a spirit magus

oh its the passive spirits

[tight kiln]

ye lol

[tight kiln]

i will probably try lightning shot on my 2nd build

lightning shot erika

[tight kiln]

pog

8 FE

[blissful plume]

Isn't the farming method at least 11FE

[tight kiln]

nah

you arent always guaranteed FE upgrades from the choices

or base FE chance

ive like missed a lot of shit already

there was once

all 6 choices didnt give any flame fuel

i think i got my mapping cards down

just got 4 FE in a map lmao

oh got another 6 juicy mods

and no FE sadge

5.9% upgrade is a lie

[tight kiln]

pog old wand sold

[toxic wing]

is that equivelant of chaos orbs?

[tight kiln]

uh

exalted

they have no divines

[toxic wing]

ah i see

[tight kiln]

so exalt is like their highest tier

their divine rerolls are done via crafting

and its an entirely different material

[toxic wing]

drop only?

[tight kiln]

nope can buy

[toxic wing]

or can you buy it from trade as well