Was the ussr good debate

[frosty spoke]

Yes,the sentence encites something like PUBG

[robust zinc]

?

[pallid vigil]

No

[frosty spoke]

Kill every other man and win

[pallid vigil]

Well maybe

[frosty spoke]

That's what "every man for himself" encites

[pallid vigil]

Do they have squads in PUBG?

[robust zinc]

That's not how all people think lol

Maybe you

[frosty spoke]

Yes,but they have solos

[robust zinc]

But not other people lol

[pallid vigil]

K so PUBG isn’t an example

[frosty spoke]

It's like a solo pubg match. Every man for himself

[robust zinc]

That's not what it means bruh

[pallid vigil]

Yeah but that’s not the real world

[robust zinc]

What if people choose for themselves to cooperate

Cooperation still exists in a selfish world

[cerulean gust]

I mean it’s called “open world” for a reason

People have the option do whatever they want I.e operate a lemonade stand in the street

[frosty spoke]

Then don't let it be. That simple.

[robust zinc]

But freedom cannot exist in a world mandated by the state

[frosty spoke]

And...go broke

[cerulean gust]

Yeah but who knows

[robust zinc]

I don't care if people choose to destroy themselves

[pallid vigil]

Well it’s simple at first before becoming complex

[frosty spoke]

Freedom is abstract.

[robust zinc]

LOL

[pallid vigil]

If it doesn’t affect you, ur chilling

[frosty spoke]

There's good freedoms and bad freedoms

[robust zinc]

I knew this guy was a fascist

[pallid vigil]

That’s my role

[robust zinc]

No such thing

[pallid vigil]

Well

US did get some military leaks

[robust zinc]

Freedom is freedom

It's that simple

[pallid vigil]

Eh

[frosty spoke]

Should I be able to shoot up a mall and get away with it ?

[robust zinc]

Whether it is bad or good is not inherent with freedom itself

[pallid vigil]

Well depends if you got a gun

[robust zinc]

Or maybe you wouldn't get away with it if people are free to shoot you as well

[pallid vigil]

Yeah

[frosty spoke]

Infact,the promise of freedom is a lie. It's unsustainable anyway

[robust zinc]

AHAHAHHAHAHA THIS GUY IS AN AUTHORITARIAN BRUHHHH

[pallid vigil]

Then how has it been sustained for centuries?

[frosty spoke]

I don't think school children will shoot back?

[pallid vigil]

No the security guards will

[robust zinc]

You said mall you dummy

[frosty spoke]

For the lack thereof

[pallid vigil]

Which there isn’t

Cus it’s a school

[robust zinc]

Even then, kids can shoot guns too

[pallid vigil]

And if it’s a mall

[frosty spoke]

1. There rarely are ones.
2. I can just kill them

[pallid vigil]

There’s security

[robust zinc]

Bruh you don't even need to sustain freedom

It's already there bruh

[pallid vigil]

Yeah but no

[cerulean gust]

You can 100% bet he supports the leviathan state idea

[frosty spoke]

Then we should let druglords run amok

[pallid vigil]

That’s already happening

[robust zinc]

He wants god to sit on him 😭

[cerulean gust]

I mean just look at any third world nation

[pallid vigil]

When you restrict freedom, you cause chaos, look at Prohibition

[cerulean gust]

He probably thinks having a state religion is necessary for the state, it’s not

[frosty spoke]

Infact,this absolute freedom theory contradicts itself

[robust zinc]

The idea that freedom is mandated by the state is one of the most bigoted lies humanity has ever made

You might be confusing freedom with privilege pal

[heady jungle]

Man’s like can i just finish this story mode?

[frosty spoke]

By having the right to kill,the person killed is restricted to their right of life

[pallid vigil]

You don’t have the right

[robust zinc]

What right lol

[pallid vigil]

Lmao

[frosty spoke]

"Absolute freedom" is even worse than the purge

[frosty spoke]

It being legal

[robust zinc]

I don't remember mother nature proclaiming we have rights

[heady jungle]

^

[robust zinc]

Guy says freedom is abstract while at the same time thinking that rights are fundamental

💀

[pallid vigil]

It’s not

[robust zinc]

Government simp

Paladin is a simp to the state

[frosty spoke]

Since I don't have the legal right to kill anyone I want,I am not free and the system is not free but by killing I have stripped somone of their legal right to live

[pallid vigil]

That’s not how the world works

[robust zinc]

Sounds like a you problem

[pallid vigil]

Yeah just don’t kill ez

that’s why we hoi4

[frosty spoke]

It doesn't work because absolute freedom is fake

[robust zinc]

He really thinks that morality comes from the state

[robust zinc]

Oh man it's absolutely true

[pallid vigil]

Define it then

[frosty spoke]

Not it's a problem of a country advertising freedom

[robust zinc]

It's the restrictions that make freedom absolute

[pallid vigil]

That’s called chaos

[frosty spoke]

Freedom to do whatever you want without restriction

[pallid vigil]

That’s not how it works

In the real world

[frosty spoke]

Is English your second language

[robust zinc]

That's racist

[heady jungle]

😂

Roasted

[pallid vigil]

Racismo no?

[frosty spoke]

In the real world there is no absolute freedom

[robust zinc]

Oh there is

Restrictions wouldn't be there if no one was allowed to have restrictions

[heady jungle]

There’s consequences

[pallid vigil]

Just don’t break the restrictions

[robust zinc]

Honestly I feel offended that Paladin is making fun of my origins

[frosty spoke]

So if there's consequences to "bad" actions how is the west better than the USSR?

[robust zinc]

It's a disgusting racist attitude

[pallid vigil]

Cus they are

[heady jungle]

…….

[pallid vigil]

Lmao

[frosty spoke]

Racist???

[pallid vigil]

Who won

The West

[heady jungle]

We just are

[robust zinc]

Yeah you're being racist

[frosty spoke]

Who won what?

[pallid vigil]

The Cold War

[heady jungle]

We don’t blatantly punish ppl

[pallid vigil]

To prove what’s better

And the West is

[frosty spoke]

Idk even know where you're from Lil bro

[pallid vigil]

*Not often

[robust zinc]

Still racist bruv

[frosty spoke]

The USSR got sabotaged internally m,we've been through this

[pallid vigil]

Wot

[robust zinc]

Just because it's my second langauge you automically imply I'm an inferior

[frosty spoke]

I don't JUST believe you

[robust zinc]

Says the racist

[heady jungle]

Correct, you shouldn’t believe an ohioan

You shouldn’t block one either

[frosty spoke]

No I'm just saying your English must surely be ass,don't cry man

[cerulean gust]

You are from Ohio?!

[pallid vigil]

They didn’t get sabotaged.

[robust zinc]

Well you didn't say that

[pallid vigil]

They screwed themselves over in the end

[robust zinc]

Instead you referred to it being my second language

The prejudice lol

@frosty spoke Do you like Adolf hitler?

[frosty spoke]

70% voted to keep the union but yeltsin and Gorbachev did some super undemocratic s*** to erase the union

[heady jungle]

I’ve been saying that

[pallid vigil]

Where’s the vote then?

[heady jungle]

The union was far from repair

[cerulean gust]

Damn, idk I hibernated too much on this server

[heady jungle]

If they wanted to fix it

[cerulean gust]

Like I didn’t exist for like months

[heady jungle]

They had to collapse it anyways

[cerulean gust]

Union was doomed by like the 70s or 80s

[robust zinc]

I never knew I'd meet such a simp for the state in my whole life man

[pallid vigil]

Plus even the block wanted to leave

[robust zinc]

S i m p

[cerulean gust]

Aggressive economic spending into the military instead of improvement of civillian life caught up to their expenses

[pallid vigil]

Hell they left Communism before the USSR collapsed

[cerulean gust]

You know I would be laughing my bum off

[frosty spoke]

I have to dig deep for that specific election data but the proof is in the soviet citizens protesting the coup(and getting shot to death by the capitalist Russian government)

[robust zinc]

And he claims the USSR had better healthcare 😭

[cerulean gust]

If he supported an absolute monarchy like France

[cerulean gust]

Guh

[frosty spoke]

By standard,stop cherry picking

[robust zinc]

💀

[cerulean gust]

Man, laughing at nationalists and socialists is funny sometimes

[robust zinc]

He really believes it 😭

[pallid vigil]

Hold on, that vote was to replace the USSR

[heady jungle]

Who said he was cherry picking?

[pallid vigil]

With a reformed USSR

[heady jungle]

Btw bebsi gimme za bebsi

[cerulean gust]

Idk I just enjoy laughing at both sides of the political system

[robust zinc]

I don't think he's proficient in english despite it being his first language

[frosty spoke]

The U.S had hundreds of years and the union immediately gets neck and neck within a 1/4 of the age

[heady jungle]

My english is hella good but its changing

[pallid vigil]

Nope

[robust zinc]

Bro really thinks age matters when it comes to states 😂

[heady jungle]

Elaborate

[pallid vigil]

It just continued the Russian Empire

Basically

Just Communist

[robust zinc]

What's next, 400 years old for a country to have consent 💀

[cerulean gust]

(In geopolitical sense)

[frosty spoke]

Everything changed completely when the union started

They had to start from scratch

[robust zinc]

For the worse

He sure does love dekulakization

[pallid vigil]

Eh, I’ll give ‘em props for industrializing so quickly

[heady jungle]

Bro’s ju- 🤣

[frosty spoke]

F*** them kulaks

[robust zinc]

Classist

You're disgusting

You do know that Kulaks are peasants

[frosty spoke]

They literally just made everything worse

[robust zinc]

They're not some aristocrat

[robust zinc]

GULAG LETS GO

Omg man wtf

[cerulean gust]

Rich peasants but idk

[frosty spoke]

There should only be 1 class

[cerulean gust]

That’s all I remembered

[robust zinc]

He's justifying genocide wtf

[cerulean gust]

☕

It’s getting worse and worse

[pallid vigil]

I only do that in video games

[robust zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-stop-gif-15995092

[heady jungle]

paladin aint gonna survive this wave

[frosty spoke]

They weren't based on a specific race or religion. It was money based

[cerulean gust]

Clearly the galatic empire was justified

[pallid vigil]

Man the Kulaks made the bread

[robust zinc]

BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WTF MAN

[frosty spoke]

You can't call all mass killings genocide

[heady jungle]

Yeah we can

[cerulean gust]

You cannot dispute this with me

[heady jungle]

🤓 geneva convention

[pallid vigil]

K

[robust zinc]

HE'S ACTUALLY JUSTIFYING IT WTF

[cerulean gust]

You know that’s something the Nazis would say

[pallid vigil]

What is Holodomor?

[robust zinc]

Bro you're absolutely retarded

[frosty spoke]

It's in the name "gene killing"

[cerulean gust]

Bro what

Are you okay?

[frosty spoke]

Not nothing about any economic class

[robust zinc]

It's still mass murder you idiot

[pallid vigil]

Answer: What is Holodomor?

[frosty spoke]

Gen(gene) o-cide(killing)

[heady jungle]

I hope you realize that bebsi will rip you to shreds

[frosty spoke]

Lemme refresh my knowledge on it

[robust zinc]

The fact that you subscribe to mass murder while at the same praising the law for restricting murder is honestly so comedic

Here's a trophy for Comedian of the minute 🏆

[heady jungle]

A truly conflicted man

[frosty spoke]

A genocide that happened 90 years ago

[robust zinc]

BRUH

[heady jungle]

Still genocide

[robust zinc]

We need to kick this guy

[heady jungle]

plays railroute and directs a train from forums to reports 1st priority

[cerulean gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-in-flames-umineko-writing-in-flames-flames-gif-20892510

[robust zinc]

Bye bye genocide lover 👋

[cerulean gust]

This entire chat

[heady jungle]

Yes

[frosty spoke]

That would be abuse of power,especially since you came here on your own choice

[pallid vigil]

I just got here

[cerulean gust]

Same

[heady jungle]

Not really

[robust zinc]

Oh it's not abuse lol

[frosty spoke]

You could just leave@robust zinc

[cerulean gust]

I was bored

[pallid vigil]

That’s the point

We’re the Ops

[robust zinc]

It's clearly within the rules lol

[heady jungle]

Man’s been here for a long ass time

[robust zinc]

Plus this server is private property

[heady jungle]

🤣

GET OFF MA LAWN

[robust zinc]

Maybe you should do some regular maintennance on your brain

[heady jungle]

🥶

[cerulean gust]

Property of Mistah Griffin

[robust zinc]

Oh right, you can't even comprehend that

[heady jungle]

DID NOT SEE THAT COMING

[frosty spoke]

I don't think "banning a guy because he disagrees with me" is good for your track record

[heady jungle]

more like

Take a look

And look what you typed

[robust zinc]

I'd rather take that than live with the badge of "Genocide Man"

[heady jungle]

Oo

[cerulean gust]

Hard burns

[frosty spoke]

What text

[heady jungle]

Your text dummy

You basically glorified genocide

An act

Which shouldn’t be glorified

Bro turned on thanos mode

[cerulean gust]

The purge

[pallid vigil]

also kicking/banning a guy for genocide denial is valid

[frosty spoke]

Yeah imma screencap

[cerulean gust]

^

[robust zinc]

He also denied the holocaust

[pallid vigil]

I think someone's been banned for that before

[cerulean gust]

Excuse me? What?

[robust zinc]

Let me find it

[robust zinc]

I forgot how discord search works, but typing the word interview should do the trick

[frosty spoke]

When and where

[cerulean gust]

I’m on mobile so sure lemme see

[robust zinc]

He basically said that how would he know that the holocaust existed if he hadn't meet a victim yet

[cerulean gust]

.

…

What

The

Hell

[frosty spoke]

Because omerto said "why should I talk to someone who hasn't lived in about the USSR about the USSR"

[heady jungle]

Okay 1

[frosty spoke]

I've seem Twitter SJWs provide more context

[heady jungle]

Good luck finding a 40 y/o russian/belarussian/ukranian/baltic guy wanting to talk

And 2 what the fuck?

[frosty spoke]

I mean umberto

[robust zinc]

No it wasn't umberto

I think it was with just a guy

[heady jungle]

^

[robust zinc]

You know, the guy who lives in Poland where Auschwitz is

[frosty spoke]

I'm not saying the holocaust never happened,I was debunking his logic

[robust zinc]

Still a denier

Questioning the holocaust falls under denial

[heady jungle]

It fuckin happened

[frosty spoke]

Yo this is why I blocked you

[heady jungle]

Bottom line

[heady jungle]

Yeah okay wdc

[cerulean gust]

Denying a genocide is frankly the worst thing you can literally do

Period

[robust zinc]

Imagine blocking someone for calling you out on your bullshit

[frosty spoke]

I'm saying it makes no sense for the guy to have denied me of speaking about the union because I've never had personal witness accounts and experience

[heady jungle]

It makes no sense glorifying a flippin genocide

[frosty spoke]

I did not ever deny the holocaust,I was saying his logic excites holocaust denial

[robust zinc]

Still, you agreed with dekulakization

[heady jungle]

damn

He gottem

[robust zinc]

You're not just a genocide denier, in fact you actually support it

[heady jungle]

Damn

X2

[cerulean gust]

Bebsi be blowing fire

[frosty spoke]

Before you talk about that,how about you acknowledge how you falsely accused me of holocaust denial

[cerulean gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-in-flames-umineko-writing-in-flames-flames-gif-20892510

Literally him

[frosty spoke]

Do you even know what genes are?

[cerulean gust]

Or her idk

[heady jungle]

Did i specifically say you supported the holocaust?

[cerulean gust]

I live under a rock

[heady jungle]

Dw dw we all do

[frosty spoke]

Nope,you said I denied it

[robust zinc]

Uhuhuh look at me, I can commit mass murder so long as I don't do it out of racial motives

[heady jungle]

Where?

[frosty spoke]

And I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge your false accusation

[heady jungle]

Im trying to

[cerulean gust]

Rock gaming

Live rock reaction

[heady jungle]

😎

[frosty spoke]

.

[cerulean gust]

https://tenor.com/view/random-rocks-a24-stones-googly-eyes-gif-25810622

[cerulean gust]

Rocks 🪨

[heady jungle]

I said

Genocide happened

Thats the bottom line

[frosty spoke]

Alrighty than

[heady jungle]

jim carrey vibes

[robust zinc]

But first, can you acknowledge that you support mass murder (I already reworded it for you)

[frosty spoke]

Still confused by that movie

[cerulean gust]

What?

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-wat-what-gif-18497036

[heady jungle]

Movie=not important
Trying to defend and deflect bebsi to no avail=importNt

[frosty spoke]

Something tells me they wouldn't have given up their absurd wealth

[cerulean gust]

Anyways back on topic

They won’t lol but the soviets could have negotiated or you know

[frosty spoke]

Everything everywhere all at once

[cerulean gust]

not genocide the countryside but idc

[heady jungle]

Nobody is willing to give up their money

[robust zinc]

OH SO YOU SUPPORT STEALING FROM PEOPLE TOO!

[frosty spoke]

That's one of the problems with digging up Something this old. There's not as much information,and the USSR would be easily more democratic over the years

[heady jungle]

shuts up

[frosty spoke]

Neither were the sacklers

[heady jungle]

Bro

I said everybody

[frosty spoke]

Look up the sackler bros,do me a favor

[heady jungle]

You should focus on Bebsi bc he is done with you and frankly so am i

So do me a favor

[cerulean gust]

Ah yes, democratic by only voting you know one guy or face being humiliated openly in public

[frosty spoke]

Now that doesn't even make sense

[heady jungle]

And tell me which state you’re from

[cerulean gust]

You know, the consequences of not choosing Stalin in an election that’s like

Rigged

[heady jungle]

Depending on your reluctance on revealing your state

[frosty spoke]

Yo so imagine if i brung up America and only talked about Nixon,only talked about guantanamo bay,and only talked about the my Lai massacre?

[heady jungle]

I can conclude the education you recieve(d) sucks ass

[frosty spoke]

Would that really be fair?

[heady jungle]

Okay 1

[cerulean gust]

And this is somehow related to the soviet elections?

[heady jungle]

You’re missing out on 45 other presidents and 2

It really isn’t

[robust zinc]

He has the internet and yet chooses not to use it

[frosty spoke]

It's always a constant cycle of stalin,holodomor,and the gulag when talking about the union. It's almost like anti-communists only know that much about it

[heady jungle]

That is essentially how the West paints the USSR

[robust zinc]

Still happened

[frosty spoke]

Also there's literally a study that shows that the US is basically like an aristocracy if that's the right word

[robust zinc]

Are you gonna deny it?

[heady jungle]

Representative Democratic

[frosty spoke]

Nope.

[cerulean gust]

I mean, that’s the basic gist of it. No one really, except for like a bunch of people(scholars and nerds), who really devolve deeper

Because one, those events are pretty well documented

[robust zinc]

But you hate the kulaks right?

[cerulean gust]

Regardless of how they are phrased

Personally, I too am not really a fan of the kulaks but the difference is I do not agree with a massive wide massacre or genocide on them

No one deserves to be killed because of a disagreement with the state or any party

[heady jungle]

I have no idea who they are and so i shall not say due to lack of knowledge

[cerulean gust]

You don’t know the kulaks or something else?

TLDR: Kulaks are just rich peasants who pay others to do the work for them on their land etc.

[heady jungle]

Oh

[cerulean gust]

Maybe missing out stuff but this is what I remembered

[heady jungle]

Well

[cerulean gust]

Yeah and the system was really profitable and kulaks rose a lot under Lenin’s new economic policy

[robust zinc]

They're essentially peasants who got to own lands thanks to their hard work. But since they own land, the soviets treated them like the bourgeiossie and seized all their property. And iirc often were sent to Gulags, eventually this redistribution meant that the Kulaks who know how to manage the land aren't there anymore. Eventually causing some of the famines in the USSR

[heady jungle]

Oh

[frosty spoke]

Is sitting around and sending out contracts hard work?

[cerulean gust]

Curious thought, the famines were also in a sense caused by the destruction of the wheat etc too right?

[heady jungle]

Mental hard work

[cerulean gust]

I can tell we are gonna end up in a situation where we discuss the landlords purpose in this

Looking at how we are going to go down

[robust zinc]

Stalin also refused wheat shipments to Ukraine which is why holodomor is often considered as genocide

[heady jungle]

I can get crazy rich in 3 years bc i am financially literate

[robust zinc]

Is stealing hard work?

[heady jungle]

Im sorry but i mix up the Holocaust and the Holodomor

[cerulean gust]

Right…makes sense. Also there’s that weird soviet agriculture thing about using some pseudo science

Which didn’t do much but make life bad

[heady jungle]

You can see why i mix up the 2

[cerulean gust]

Oopsie

Hand slip

[frosty spoke]

I like how you conveniently recognize mental health after we talk about 99% of Americans,but no,it's not that much mental stress either

[heady jungle]

Dumb this down for me

[robust zinc]

Where the hell did we mention mental health

[heady jungle]

Its 11pm and i got a field trip tmw

[frosty spoke]

"Mental stress"

[heady jungle]

I said Mental Hard work! Jesus sonny

[robust zinc]

Same shit

[cerulean gust]

Gn

And cya

[heady jungle]

Nahhh

I got 30 more mmins in me

[frosty spoke]

Yeah where was that discussion when we were talking about Americans trying to survive in the economy

[heady jungle]

Skill issue

[cerulean gust]

The grind is real

[heady jungle]

Get financially literate

And get to work

[heady jungle]

Yeppp

[frosty spoke]

Especially since we Americans are in a mental health crisis

[heady jungle]

Unfortunately

[frosty spoke]

Get to work a job with no upward mobility

[heady jungle]

Actually

You wanna get a career

Not a job

[frosty spoke]

What do you even mean by that

[heady jungle]

This shows you aren’t financially literate

Should i further my proof?

[robust zinc]

Da investments bruv

da investments

[frosty spoke]

Give me all the proof you've got

[robust zinc]

Too bad they ain't cheap now

[heady jungle]

You’re all i need paladin

I have you in my sights and my suggestion, smarten up

[heady jungle]

Sadly so, but there’s always a cheaper fund

[frosty spoke]

Now I should have to be the wolf of wall street even just to have some time to enjoy my life?

[heady jungle]

No

[frosty spoke]

And what if it was '08?

[heady jungle]

That is just another hellhole you dont wanna be in

[frosty spoke]

It's a natural part of late stage capitalism

[heady jungle]

Okay 1

If you want me to send my proof

[frosty spoke]

And I'm pretty sure we're able to head into another recession here in the states

[robust zinc]

Live in the woods

ez

[frosty spoke]

Have you heard of the movie?

[heady jungle]

It isn’t as bad as a depression

[robust zinc]

Yeah Leonardo Da Vinci

[frosty spoke]

If it can happen under normal circumstances,it might as well be that way

[heady jungle]

Okay

Well

Recessions don’t happen out of the blue

The economic strain build up

[frosty spoke]

Yeah they do.

[heady jungle]

And rn

There are many out of work americans

Well

Profits

They do it cheaper elsewhere

its part of the reason why CP didn’t need to oay as much

[frosty spoke]

Banks going from (10.5 billion dollars in debt collections I think) to 10 sent us into 08

And them there was banks using "debt boxes" or something which was another thing

They're using it even more IIRC

Now that I think about it,the American economy is just like a stunt car for big banks

They might do crazy stunts and completely obliterate the car

[heady jungle]

Government: FDIC I CHOOSE YOU!!! ABILTY: BANK REGULATION!!!

BANK REGULATION IN EFFECT

[frosty spoke]

And they get away clean

[heady jungle]

Hmmmm

[heady jungle]

A big bank was forced into bankruptcy

The FRC

They folded after overloaning

FDIC could only provide so much

Many ppl lost money

And those ppl

Were celebreties

[frosty spoke]

If they fall or rise,we the American people still take a fat L

They make money off of our debt,and of they collapse,say goodbye to your house

[frosty spoke]

People don't realize. "Real capitalism" is too vulnerable to take over,turn it into "corporatism" or worse...

[robust zinc]

Still better than real communism

[frosty spoke]

And then there's often no critical thinking about all the products created in capitalism

[robust zinc]

???

That's one of the dumbest things I heard

[frosty spoke]

Wanna praise capitalism for smart phones? A little boy in an African cobalt mine wants a word with you.
Want to praise capitalism for the mass production of clothes?
A little Asian girl in a sweat shop wants a word with you. It goes forever

[robust zinc]

I praise their hard work for keeping such prices low

Besides, there's this thing called boycotting

[frosty spoke]

Everything that's cheap in capitalism comes from slave labor (often times from children) bout I doubt you care about people of those races

[robust zinc]

Now imagine boycotting a nationalized industry lol

[frosty spoke]

Are you dead ass?

[robust zinc]

bro I'm asian are you a dumbass

[frosty spoke]

Well I apologize for the misunderstanding but "I praise them for keeping prices low" when talking about slaves seems a little racist

[robust zinc]

Child labor apparently is the norm here, as expected from most developing countries used to an agricultural lifestyle where children working the fields at an early age is the norm

[robust zinc]

How is that racist, it's not lol

Plus, a little bit of sarcasm sometimes would ya?

[frosty spoke]

It's literally like thanking black slaves in America for keeping down cotton prices

[frosty spoke]

It's alot worse than you might think. In these sweatshops these people work almost 24/7,getting injuries left and right,destroying their bodies and minds for 1$/hour.

[robust zinc]

As if I don't see that firsthand

Child labor is not a feature of capitalism bruv

[frosty spoke]

It's even worse in cobalt mines. These little boys go deep in holes under the hot sun,mining for cobalt,getting bruised and scratched up.(once again 24/7, can't even afford education) often times caves collapse and the child is instantly killed and the family is devastated. Not that these people matter to you though

[robust zinc]

Okay

Still not capitalism

This is a question more fitted for morality rather than of an economic system

[frosty spoke]

Every time real capitalism is tried it automatically turns to child labor and corporatism

[frosty spoke]

The economic system must be moral

[robust zinc]

Corporations aren't capitalist

Well kind of

But they lean more into public ownership instead of private property thanks to shares/stocks

[frosty spoke]

[robust zinc]

That's the libertarian definition of it

[frosty spoke]

That's gotta be the dumbest shit I've heard this year

[robust zinc]

Capitalism concerns itself with private property and as sucb champions individual liberty

[robust zinc]

Don't worry, you'll hear more

But ofc you don't believe in liberty nor freedom

You're a slave to the state afterall

[frosty spoke]

Capitalism is just a system where two pieces of value are traded,and one must set an exploitative trade to gain capital.

[robust zinc]

Bro you're defining only trade bruh

[frosty spoke]

1. Capitalism doesn't promise that
2. To gain individual liberty we must remove some individual liberty

[robust zinc]

Or commerce

That's not capitalism bruv

[frosty spoke]

Because that's what it is

[robust zinc]

Commerce can still exist between public entities just like how states procure arms from other states

[robust zinc]

No lol

[frosty spoke]

Capitalism don't care about your health or family

[robust zinc]

Capitalism is literally the private ownership of the means of production

[frosty spoke]

It's just a trade system

[robust zinc]

Perfectly fine

A system cannot show empathy afterall lol

But individuals still do

And that's what capitalism champions

[frosty spoke]

Then don't day "civil liberties"

[frosty spoke]

I mean there's retail stores :/

[robust zinc]

Never said anything about civil

Just liberty

[robust zinc]

Perfectly fine

[frosty spoke]

Liberty to do what?

[robust zinc]

To choose

[frosty spoke]

They don't really control the means of production do they?

[frosty spoke]

To choose what

[robust zinc]

Still private property

Distribution in a sense is an element of production

[robust zinc]

Duh whatever you like

[frosty spoke]

You don't have to be the producer,you just have to trade

[robust zinc]

Perfectly fine

Imagine a world without trade

How cruel

Where man cannot communicate value

[frosty spoke]

So it's not necessarily about privatizing production

[heady jungle]

Nah you just gotta be smart about the money

Again

Skill issue

[robust zinc]

Still is

Trade is just the medium

@heady jungle btw this guy doesn't believe in money

He believes things should be distributed equally

Talk about an unfair system where men are all made equal

[frosty spoke]

So there fore I should be able to bomb a school and there should he no cops coming after me?

[frosty spoke]

Nope,I'm just supporting the system where we give everyone what they need and never let society degrade to power hunger

[robust zinc]

Lol capitalism does not concern itself with power

It's an economic theory primarily, not a political one

[frosty spoke]

[frosty spoke]

Aren't you a fan of "corporate competition"

[robust zinc]

And what does that have to do with power in the social sense?

[frosty spoke]

Where two companies race for power?

[frosty spoke]

Naturally,being in poesession of excess power is the only way to succeed

[robust zinc]

Man is mad about corporations since power, yet at the same time completely forgets that Governments exist which are entirely dependent upon the public's dogma

[clear swan]

The ussr could have been better if it did not censor because the people was stripped of greed and was focused on knowledge and by censorship it back fires

[robust zinc]

And what's your definition of excess lol

[clear swan]

And the people had a only these choices militarily worker or science

[robust zinc]

I honestly find it so odd why you put so much trust into the state and yet you do not trust individuals

[frosty spoke]

Uhh no? I just explained how power is extremely important in capitalism

[robust zinc]

No it's not lol

[heady jungle]

I noticed

[robust zinc]

I don't remember me voting for a corporation

[frosty spoke]

Being middle class<

[robust zinc]

Sounds pretty dumb to vote for Jeff Bezos innit

So everyone should just be poor 😭

[heady jungle]

Did you just diss me?!

[robust zinc]

Bruh wtf

Why are you hating on the middle class

[frosty spoke]

Because privatization is historically just making things worse for money

[robust zinc]

That's literally the working class

[heady jungle]

While it does, it is the only way companies can compete

[robust zinc]

Clearly hasn't heard how nationalization ruins industries

[heady jungle]

[frosty spoke]

Well that's what you do in the U.S election. Politicians are sold to the highest bidder

[heady jungle]

The ICC

[robust zinc]

@heady jungle nationalisation is what killed american rail right?

[heady jungle]

Yessirrrrr

[frosty spoke]

I said being above mid class is excess power

[robust zinc]

I do not recognise the US as capitalist

The government still exists

[heady jungle]

The politicians work for the people

[robust zinc]

Capitalism cannot exist so long as the state does

[heady jungle]

Those who want the money is corrupt and greedy

[frosty spoke]

Kek

[heady jungle]

Infact

100 senators are corrupt

And 435 are also corrupt

So really

Its normal

[frosty spoke]

No but seriously,presidents,mayors,senators, lobbyists are all bought out completely

[heady jungle]

BRO!!!

Lmfaooooo

My guy

The lobbyist are the ones with the money

THIS GUY DOESN’T GET AMERICAN GOVERNMENT LMAO

[frosty spoke]

They got paid extra to lobby in favor of a corporation

[heady jungle]

Lemme tell you a story

[frosty spoke]

If not,Lockheed Martin basically wouldn't be here

[heady jungle]

Once upon a land which the population lebensraum’d the land

Rail was the dominant mode of transport

Especially after the transcontinental railroad was built

Flying trains

[frosty spoke]

The M.I.D warmongers with their lobbyists,gets us into a war,and they get more money

[heady jungle]

Doing 65 mph thundering down the track

Now we don’t see that

We don’t see the glorious Big Boy hauling

[robust zinc]

At least Lockheed gives jobs

[frosty spoke]

Because...

[heady jungle]

Dat do be true

[heady jungle]

Why?

Nationalization

The ICC

[frosty spoke]

Yeah they also actively destroy democracy and drive the u.s into wars where hundreds of thousands of innocent foreigners are killed

[heady jungle]

So do me a favor and just shut up go to American-rails and take a freaking moment to read

But you won’t bc you apparently have selective vision ig

[frosty spoke]

Does the train need to be super fast to work? Infact,what was the price change?

[heady jungle]

You have no flippin idea what the hell they actually do

[robust zinc]

That's right, I hate democracy

[heady jungle]

Trains need to be fast

[robust zinc]

Don't confuse democracy with individual freedom lol

[frosty spoke]

What was the new speed

[heady jungle]

No turning wheels=no money=no job=depression

[heady jungle]

300mph

I aint making this up

Trains legit go 300mph

in some parts of the world

[frosty spoke]

The only individual freedom is have is capitalism is to work all day,watch a few hours of netflix,repeat

[robust zinc]

Sounds like your life

[heady jungle]

DAMMMNNNN

[frosty spoke]

So..the privatized train got faster?

[robust zinc]

Get more creative sometime won't ya

[heady jungle]

Exactly!!!!!

[robust zinc]

Yeps

[heady jungle]

Now if the train was Nationalized

[robust zinc]

No government regulations means more freedoms on operations

[frosty spoke]

It's every American's life.

[heady jungle]

Nah

Just yours

[robust zinc]

No lol

Just you

No wonder why you feel so sorry about yourself so instead you blame your life on the system

[frosty spoke]

Bro I think you don't realize this doesn't make sense

[robust zinc]

Bit sad innit

[robust zinc]

💀

[frosty spoke]

Yeah you've definitely never been here

[robust zinc]

Wheels here is a train expert

He knows what he's talking about

[heady jungle]

to the average american (like you) it doesn’t make sense bc you wont give yourself the time to learn about the train

Which is very important to the economy

[frosty spoke]

Why would they magically make the train slower?

[heady jungle]

I can also bring in wumbo

[heady jungle]

Bc they got the damn government to deal with

[robust zinc]

Yeah and you love generalizing people

[frosty spoke]

That shit doesn't make sense

[robust zinc]

DUDE PLS

BUT

Wait

Dms

[frosty spoke]

How about you show some evidence of them making an actual choice to slow the train down?

[frosty spoke]

Yeah and I live here

[heady jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-pissed-annoyed-upset-irritated-gif-4740537

My guy

Trains gotta go

They really gotta

If they dont

The US economy loses more than you think!

[frosty spoke]

Can't blame me with the 3 hours of free time we have over here

[heady jungle]

Where is over here

[frosty spoke]

And get replaced with what?

[heady jungle]

Im surprised you actually devote time to get absolutely nowhere

[heady jungle]

Wdym

Trains has no replacements

[frosty spoke]

I've seen someone with ADHD pay more attention...
I live in North America,my boy

[heady jungle]

Hey buddy

[frosty spoke]

We need efficient public transportation

[heady jungle]

Ohio> North America

So shut up about north america

And frankly i have ADHD

[frosty spoke]

Of course,you live in the protected white majority states of America

AKA not even America

[robust zinc]

It's racist to believe in white privelege

[frosty spoke]

[pallid vigil]

High five for not being in the US

[frosty spoke]

Ever heard of black wall street? Ever heard of redlining?

[pallid vigil]

That was a century ago

[robust zinc]

Those are structures as a result of racism decades ago

[pallid vigil]

And in the South

[heady jungle]

Did you just call me racist?

[frosty spoke]

Redlining is still here

[robust zinc]

Racism isn't allowed by the US anymore

[heady jungle]

Ohhhahahahaha my guy

[pallid vigil]

Well

[heady jungle]

You picked the wrong person to fight

[pallid vigil]

Whose gonna stop people from being racist

[frosty spoke]

No,I'm saying you have a privileged view of America

[pallid vigil]

Pog

[heady jungle]

Them redlining is done by the banks

Not the government

[heady jungle]

Explain, enhance, elaborate

[robust zinc]

I mean in the sense that it isn't systemized anymore

[pallid vigil]

Eh

[frosty spoke]

I've lot enough brain cells from you already,just stop already

[robust zinc]

@frosty spoke You live in the US, you're automatically privileged

[pallid vigil]

That’s how the West works

[robust zinc]

Good, I need you to lose more

[frosty spoke]

https://youtu.be/O5FBJyqfoLM

[robust zinc]

A short "history"

pal

[heady jungle]

Fair

[pallid vigil]

Ain’t nobody got time for that

[frosty spoke]

You've never been here. You've just heard what it's like from the news.

[heady jungle]

Im surprised you have more ngl

[robust zinc]

And you've never been outside

[pallid vigil]

I heard it’s aight in the North

[robust zinc]

Go touch some grass

[pallid vigil]

It’s the South where it’s a bit fucked

[frosty spoke]

And clearly your mom ain't had time to care for you

[pallid vigil]

English plz?

[robust zinc]

The funny american doesn't even know how to speak his language

[pallid vigil]

She’s had too much time ngl

[frosty spoke]

It would have worked if you had replied before I edited

[pallid vigil]

I did lmao

We can all see it

[robust zinc]

The algorithm has been feeding Paladin leftist ideals way too much

[frosty spoke]

It's almost if you don't care about my Evidence

So why should I care for your talking points?

Because if you cared you wouldn't be talking rn

[robust zinc]

Yeah cause your evidence is outdated

And do not represent capitalism at all

You sure do love to think that the West is capitalist

Imma break it to you pal, the free market doesn't exist

There's regulations all over the place

[pallid vigil]

It’s an illusion

[robust zinc]

All cars having an airbag and crumple zones are a good example of that

[pallid vigil]

And crypto is basically the market without regulations

Which is chaotic

[frosty spoke]

Since 5 years are too much for you,here https://youtu.be/pZkM2KWO0A8

[frosty spoke]

You don't have to break anything,I'm aware the free market is a scam

[robust zinc]

Good start

You're learning now

[frosty spoke]

All these attempts at capitalism and none live up to your standard. It's almost like "real capitalism" is too optimistic @robust zinc

[heady jungle]

Real capitalism isn’t a thing

[robust zinc]

Exactly

[heady jungle]

In theory it works

[frosty spoke]

Exactly

[robust zinc]

Real capitalism has never been tried

[heady jungle]

In reality it doesn’t

^

[robust zinc]

Unlike communism, which definitely was tried

[frosty spoke]

Every time "real capitalism" is tried,it goes immediately to shit

[robust zinc]

Name one revolution

[pallid vigil]

That’s still very debatable but yeah

[frosty spoke]

What type of revolution

[robust zinc]

Idk, earth go spin around sun

[pallid vigil]

RPM

[frosty spoke]

Revolutions Per Minute

[robust zinc]

Congratualtions! you know what a revolution is

Too bad you can't process context

[heady jungle]

🤣

[frosty spoke]

So to be clear,we should just call "corporatism" capitalism because that's always what ends up happening.
Therefore,all of the horrible events are natural under capitalism

[pallid vigil]

Cap

[heady jungle]

That’s a lotttttttaaaaaaa bullshit

Hella cap

[heady jungle]

🧢

[frosty spoke]

Then what are you supposed to refer to America's economy as? Or britains,or frances,etc

[pallid vigil]

Mao + Capitalism doesn’t equal the Great Leap Forward

[robust zinc]

Mixed economy

[frosty spoke]

Where did Mao get into this?

[robust zinc]

All economies in the world are mixed economies

[pallid vigil]

You said all horrible events

[frosty spoke]

Mixed? Like a race?

[heady jungle]

They have to be

[robust zinc]

what

[frosty spoke]

No,I meant the ones I mentioned
Cobalt mines,sweatshops,massacres,recessions,etc

[pallid vigil]

That’s in China and they ain’t capitalist

[heady jungle]

Recession is an economical event

[frosty spoke]

Wtf even is a "mixed economy"

[heady jungle]

Everything else isn’t

[robust zinc]

💀

[heady jungle]

Oh uhhh trains, planes, cars, supply chain

[pallid vigil]

Combination

[heady jungle]

To get you started

[robust zinc]

Guy likes to talk about economics and doesn't even know what a mixed economy is

[heady jungle]

Oof

[frosty spoke]

I don't think 08' happened in china,I also don't think china was responsible for the my Lai massacre

[heady jungle]

My lai?

[pallid vigil]

How does a massacre have anything to do with this?

Cus it doesn’t

[heady jungle]

Its En Lai

Smh

Gititrite

Cmon

[frosty spoke]

I said all the horrible events

[heady jungle]

Listen to we didn’t start the fire

That should get you started

Or

[frosty spoke]

What is that

[heady jungle]

BRO DOESNT KNOW THE FUCKIN 80s?!?!

[robust zinc]

It's a netflix decomuntary by Billy Joel

[frosty spoke]

Mixed economy is vague

[heady jungle]

song

[pallid vigil]

And all horrible events don’t happen under capitalism

[heady jungle]

It is exactly as its titled

[robust zinc]

I mean when did mixed ever become specific?

[frosty spoke]

2008,the dotcom crash,the opioid crisis,the thalidomide crisis

[heady jungle]

Again

[pallid vigil]

K that’s 4 things in like 15 years?

[heady jungle]

08 wasn’t horrible

Unless you couldn’t cope

[robust zinc]

Recessions are not a capitalist feature

[pallid vigil]

The whole world was hit by it

[robust zinc]

Even China

[frosty spoke]

People are still suffering from these natural capitalist events

[heady jungle]

That tells us you are too

See

Nothing to blame

[pallid vigil]

Like?

[heady jungle]

We all suffer

[pallid vigil]

also not my problem

[frosty spoke]

[robust zinc]

I guess the examples are way too little

Unlike funny North Korea which is literally 1984 everyday

[pallid vigil]

Still hasn’t answered

Nothing is perfect

[frosty spoke]

Like 2008,the dotcom crash,the opioid crisis,the thalidomide crisis

[heady jungle]

THE RECESSION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS 🤣

[frosty spoke]

Yeah nothing has to be repulsively atrocious either

[pallid vigil]

4 things that don’t matter now

[frosty spoke]

Recessions are apart of capitalism

[pallid vigil]

No they’re part of the world economy

[heady jungle]

No

Its global econmy

Istg we should get him a ticket to AP economics class

[frosty spoke]

The world economy for the most part is capitalist

[heady jungle]

Nope

[frosty spoke]

Bruh are you actually braindead rn

[robust zinc]

Nope

[heady jungle]

Nah

Im alive and well

[robust zinc]

The state still holds more power

[pallid vigil]

K and shit happens

[heady jungle]

^

[frosty spoke]

[heady jungle]

Wooooooow

Okay

Okay

[pallid vigil]

Capitalism makes the $$$

[robust zinc]

Can't cope anymore?

[heady jungle]

He wants to play

[robust zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[frosty spoke]

Said shit doesn't have to happen every minute

[robust zinc]

Ah yes because everyday is a 2008

[frosty spoke]

Not for the majority of people in it;it doesn't

[pallid vigil]

It doesn’t

[pallid vigil]

It does

[robust zinc]

@frosty spoke I hope you enjoy living in North Korea

Your ideal paradise

[heady jungle]

Awh shit

[pallid vigil]

People be living good in the West

[frosty spoke]

It feels like it,damn!

[heady jungle]

Yeeeaaaahhhh lets ship him to that desolate wasteland

[robust zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/benshapiro-facts-dontcare-feelings-factsdontcareaboutyourfeelings-gif-11823612

[heady jungle]

Again

Capitalism requires you to be financially literate

Which you aren’t

[frosty spoke]

I think you just gotta fly down to Chicago for one month to figure it out instead of staying in your suburb

[heady jungle]

OH

OH

NOW YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION

HI CHICAGOAN

[pallid vigil]

K and? Not my problem

Just git gud

[heady jungle]

Hell

[robust zinc]

Clearly a skill issue

[pallid vigil]

The world ain’t fair

[heady jungle]

Chicago is a skill issue

[frosty spoke]

[heady jungle]

Never was
Never will be

[pallid vigil]

Chicago happened because of the South

[robust zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[pallid vigil]

Great Exodus or smth?

[heady jungle]

Nah underground railroad

[pallid vigil]

That or the crime

Al Capone big time

[heady jungle]

Al dente!

[frosty spoke]

Just come to a high population American city

[heady jungle]

My town

Cincinnati

Has a high population

[robust zinc]

American skill issue

[frosty spoke]

Don't live one or those high rise apartments either,go straight to the hood and you'll understand

[heady jungle]

Did we ask about your life?

[frosty spoke]

Late stage Capitalism Is anti human

[heady jungle]

You just hating on me bc chicago sucks ass

[pallid vigil]

Nah shit be good where I am

[heady jungle]

According to the bengals

[robust zinc]

Lol and yet the world population is booming

So much for anti human

[frosty spoke]

Then don't generalize the western lifestyle

[robust zinc]

BRUH

[heady jungle]

They weren’t

[pallid vigil]

Poverty is everywhere

[heady jungle]

You did

[robust zinc]

You're literally the same guy who said all americans do is watch netflix all day

[heady jungle]

And you’re a westerner

[heady jungle]

Im currently in school

Learning

[pallid vigil]

Same

[heady jungle]

Which paladin ova dere

Aint

[robust zinc]

Brother in christ, I never knew a hypocrite would make such an excellent comedian!

Bravo!

[frosty spoke]

I've seen Twitter bitches provide more context

[robust zinc]

Sounds like you need to get some time off that social media copium

Crayon eater

[frosty spoke]

I said we can only work all day,and watch 3 hours of Netflix and repeat because that's how much work drains us

[frosty spoke]

You simply have problems discerning what you hear on the news and reality

They say it's rich,but that statistic only counts towards the one percent

[robust zinc]

Oh shut up lol, you don't even live in a third world country

[frosty spoke]

There's no such thing as a dumb population, if success in your economic system is too complex for the people living in it,it doesn't work. This is where socialism comes in handy

[robust zinc]

You'd also be surprised just how much taxes the US government collects annualy

[frosty spoke]

How is that relevant to the aforementioned statement?

[robust zinc]

And you honestly think that taxing the wealth will help shit lol

[frosty spoke]

No,I wouldn't

[robust zinc]

How about you guys cut up your defense budget first

[frosty spoke]

Stop putting words in my mouth!

[frosty spoke]

We guys?

[robust zinc]

Ah so you aren't american

Odd

[robust zinc]

What

[frosty spoke]

Maybe the 99% of Americans would have power to change if capitalism allowed democracy

[robust zinc]

Or maybe you should just stop watching netflix all day?

[frosty spoke]

I never claimed to be a "tax the rich" guy.

[robust zinc]

Ah lol and you mention the 1 percent

What are you gonna do with the 1 percent

Share their wealth?

[frosty spoke]

I don't actually live that way,but that lifestyle is In the same ballpark as most Americans

Socialism generates one class of everyone collaborating for the betterment of humanity

[robust zinc]

You do know that capitalism is also collaborative

But unlike your class bullshit, no one is forcing anyone into anything

[frosty spoke]

Aren't you Mister "every man for himself"?

[silent orbit]

Forced collaboration

[pallid vigil]

We watch Netflix or smth because we can

[robust zinc]

Yes I am

[frosty spoke]

Yes,good

[robust zinc]

@silent orbit honestly I have no idea what kind of copium is he on

slave

[frosty spoke]

You're contradicting yourself

[silent orbit]

Stalinium 9000 mg

[robust zinc]

You're no different than a white man in the 1800s

You are disgusting

[frosty spoke]

Bro what

[heady jungle]

There are 24 hours in a day

8 hours work

8 hours play

8 hours sleep

[robust zinc]

Stop acting pretend, you literally said forced collaboration is good

[frosty spoke]

You're disgusting

[robust zinc]

Isn't that slavery

[silent orbit]

Also the soviet union had worse living conditions than any liberal democracy of the same time period so it doesn't seem to work that well

[robust zinc]

Says the guy who tolerates slavery

[silent orbit]

also you don't get shot in britain for insulting the queen

[robust zinc]

🤮

[silent orbit]

we call this serfdom

[pallid vigil]

Only during HOI4 as the USSR

[robust zinc]

Afterall, slaves were used for the "betterment of humanity"

[pallid vigil]

5 hours

That’s based

[frosty spoke]

Proof?

[robust zinc]

mf you guys have twice the leisure time

[silent orbit]

Like if you want to support democracies that have a lot of social programs you can simp for sweden or denmark, not the USSR

[frosty spoke]

I've never heard anyone from the country ever say they have sufficient times for their hobbies

[silent orbit]

Already shown you that life expectancy in the soviet union was lower than in liberal democracies

[heady jungle]

Ohhh

I do lmao