Insert your controversial opinion here

[hot sinew]

(more so in ww2 when they were more widely used)

[jade skiff]

No

[hot sinew]

Wdym "nuh uh"?

[jade skiff]

They were much more prevalent in WW1

[hot sinew]

I agree

[jade skiff]

Germans at least achieved some motorisation in WW2

[hot sinew]

But my point being is that you can lose a truck just the same as you can lose a horse

[rustic dove]

Yep they were

[hot sinew]

Horse production (if you will) reacts slower to current military needs

If it isn't prepared for a war then it won't be for long

And it's difficult to expand production for the simple fact of how new horses are made

You can't hire double the workers to make double the horses in a month

[fair hearth]

Cavalry is meh

[hot sinew]

That's a downside of using horses

[fair hearth]

Bicycles divisions are the meta

[hot sinew]

I'd also argue thay hygiene may be an issue with horses

[jade skiff]

As i said, there is a reason why trucks were used whenever possible

[hot sinew]

Ultra based

[fair hearth]

Emergency food

[hot sinew]

Facts tho

[fair hearth]

People often say horses are the reason why German logistics suck

But if ya think about it

[hot sinew]

The US army should go back to horses TODAY!

[fair hearth]

It's what kept the wehrmacht running

[hot sinew]

*galloping

[fair hearth]

Armies awkwardly overstretched with supply lines?

Dont worry, butcher your horse

No oil?

Use horse

[hot sinew]

A really short term solution lol

[fair hearth]

Difficult muddy terain

Use horse

[rustic dove]

We actually did the last cavalry charge in ww2

[rustic dove]

Use mule

[fair hearth]

Corregidor

Against Japanese tanks

[hot sinew]

Meanwhile horses stuck in mud:

Hanya

Ever tried walking in mud?

[jade skiff]

That's also partially why Germans made so many patterns of halftracks

[hot sinew]

Like deep mud?

It's difficult

[fair hearth]

I knew you were going to send that pic

[hot sinew]

It's just as hard for the horse

[fair hearth]

I wonder if Germany also made halftracks due to the rubber shortages

Would've been more beneficial to use tracks made of steel instead

[hot sinew]

I think they built them mostly because they're drippin' 🔥

[jade skiff]

Perhaps, but im not talking about the quantity of them but the quantity of models

[rustic dove]

I think you mean quality

Over quantity

[hot sinew]

?

No

Not what he means

He means that there were a lot of designs

[rustic dove]

Oh nvm

[fair hearth]

Meanwhile allied equipment

Quantity and quality

[hot sinew]

Eh

Not really

Soviet maybe

[fair hearth]

Wdym not true

[hot sinew]

They were of highly questionable quality

Generally

[fair hearth]

The Germans were facing quality issues due to resource shortages

[hot sinew]

👍

[fair hearth]

Literally made their later planes with wood glue

[hot sinew]

I'd argue that for example US production was high quality

[rustic dove]

Meanwhile the us had ice cream barges

[hot sinew]

Ooh I get to talk about my native country here

It's loosely tied to the topic

So uhh interesting fact

[fair hearth]

You know its joever when they bring in a portable Dairy Queen

[rustic dove]

The war was lost as soon as it begun

[hot sinew]

Most of the T-34s that are operational today were of Czechoslovak production

[jade skiff]

Like, Sdkfz.4-11 were literally the same design but slightly different sizes

[hot sinew]

Because Czechoslovakia, unlike the Soviet Union, had a competent workforce

[fair hearth]

Tbf, only the US are as crazy to take logistics to anotger level

[jade skiff]

All were kinda suited for towing different artillery but still

[fair hearth]

When countries build aircraft carriers to fight navies, the USN uses it as transport

[hot sinew]

You don't understand the work of a genius

It's beyond your comprehension

[fair hearth]

Czechoslovokia also was the only place in Germanyl late war to produce quality aircraft

Well mostly slovakia

For the reasons that they did not switch to forced labor

[jade skiff]

Im also baffled why on earth do they need both 251 and 250

[hot sinew]

Interesting

[fair hearth]

Whats that

[hot sinew]

Reminds me

[jade skiff]

Their APCs

[fair hearth]

Ah

So many models lol

[hot sinew]

It later made the S-199 airplane which was the bf 109 airframe with a Stuka engine

[fair hearth]

No

Wait

I forgot

It was a Ju 88 engine

[jade skiff]

To be fair, 251 was their main APC of the war

[fair hearth]

Or was it a Heinkel engine

[hot sinew]

I'm wondering whether it was because of the bf 109 engine shortage

[hot sinew]

Wait really?

[jade skiff]

Im mostly baffled why did they countinue to produce 250

[hot sinew]

I thought it was the engine used on the Stuka

[fair hearth]

Ahhhh waiy

It was the same engine for the 87 and 88

Along with the 111

[hot sinew]

Yep

Ok, perfect. Neither one of us was wrong

[jade skiff]

Like, it cannot even carry a full infantry squad, the only thing that it's really good for is being a command vehicle or a mortar carrier

[hot sinew]

I'm telling you, it's the genius of German engineering

You just wouldn't understand

[fair hearth]

Yep

There were no more DB engines around

[jade skiff]

There are also things like Maultier and RSO, but those are actually somewhat sensible and relatively cost-effective designs that were kinda necessary (first being basically Opel Blitz with tracks and second a tracktor specifically made for eastern front)

[fair hearth]

It just so happens that the Jumo fits well into the airframe and is available

Only problem is those engines, having been made for bombers. Have way too much torque on them

[hot sinew]

And then ironically it became the first Israeli airplane to achieve a kill...against a Spitfire

[fair hearth]

Makes s199s roll a lot

[hot sinew]

Well how'd they solve that with the Stuka?

Cause that's a similar plane in dimensions

[fair hearth]

Nazi planes from Czechoslovokia used by Jews to shoot down Egyptians piloting british aircraft

Mr.worldwide

[fair hearth]

Probably the gull wing

[hot sinew]

I'd imagine that it wouldn't be a problem since the result roll energy of the blade is the same with any engine at a set RPM

[fair hearth]

Gull wings iirc are stable

[hot sinew]

Doesn't really counteract the motion but sure

[fair hearth]

Im no engineer 😎

[hot sinew]

I'm no engineer either

[hot sinew]

Also

Why would bomber engines have higher torque?

[fair hearth]

To carry more bombs

[hot sinew]

Elaborate

[fair hearth]

Honestly I dont understand the physics either

Thats just what I hear often

[hot sinew]

Because that doesn't make sense to me

If you had a car with a bigger load

Then yes

You need higher torque

But you'd only need higher torque if you're gonna spin a propeller with more drag

ie a bigger propeller

[fair hearth]

Well bombers also had that

[hot sinew]

Hmm

Not necessarily

[fair hearth]

Wait a minute

[hot sinew]

What you're saying just sounds kinda fishy

[jade skiff]

You know what, now that i think about it, that many patterns while still not very reasonable, don't get me wrong, was probably still necessary

[fair hearth]

I think I mixed up some things

Torque as in the counter rotational force the propeller makes

Say if the propeller spins clockwise

Itd make the aircraft roll counterclockwise

[hot sinew]

Then there's a counterclockwise force on the airplane

Yes

[fair hearth]

Bombers dont suffer much from this problem since they configure their engines contrarotating

https://youtu.be/cs6K3ErDPCU?si=NLn0RQ1gfzJSZFIn

[hot sinew]

If they have an even amount of engines

[fair hearth]

@hot sinew most of the stuff Im saying are just stuff I remember from this vid

[hot sinew]

Alr

[fair hearth]

I probably got a lot of info wrong lol

[hot sinew]

I've got a book about Czechoslovak military designs 1945-1955 ordered as we speak

I'd guess that the S-199 will be there in some detail too

I want it most significantly for learning more about the T-50/51 tank design

There's not a lot online

[jade skiff]

Other ww2 factions also had different vehicles for transporting artillery. Example - UC (or Lloyd) - light AT guns and mortars, Morris C8/CMP - 25 pounder, Bofors, 17 pounder , AEC Matador - 5.5 inch arty and heavy AA, Scammell Pioneer - all that was heavier

[hot sinew]

Anyways my battery is dwindling

And I should go sleep anyways

So farewell

[fair hearth]

Adios

[jade skiff]

Soviets also had thing like Komsomolets, YA-12, Komintern, Voroshilovets and several others

[kind compass]

most,if not all,modern leaders suck

[fair hearth]

Not me

Im based

[kind compass]

your the leader of what?

[fair hearth]

Leader of America

[kind compass]

usa or continent?

sometimes in the UK we merge North and South America into one

[jade skiff]

I hate to break it to you, pal, historical leaders overall by a large part weren't that spectacular either

[fair hearth]

Let me introduce to you a man named Hitler

Is he even competent

[hot sinew]

You can throw crap at anyone anytime

But we are more aware of the bad things our leaders of today have done

You wouldn't remember the great controversies of 1743

But you'll surely remember some bad leadership moments from 2021 or so

[jade skiff]

👆

[proven tundra]

You give modern people too much credit. Once it leaves ticktock trend list it never happened

[hot sinew]

Alr sorry

October 2023

To today

[proven tundra]

He took over an entire country and then made his dreams a reality before accomplishing the greatest contribution to history ever known… by killing hitler 🫡

[hot sinew]

Ok

Today

Joe Biden apparently embarrassed someone

Ah yes

Taylor Swift

Saw a headline

Idc tho

So didn't read into it

But thing is

[proven tundra]

Lol 😂

[hot sinew]

If Abraham Lincoln embarrassed some actors by deciding to die during their drama play or smth, you wouldn't remember

Right, it's ages ago

It's just not smth to be remembered

Alr my apologies for this example

The first president to come to my mind was Lincoln

And I was thinking of embarrassing artists

One thing connects to another

But fr now

You don't even recollect who Andrew Jackson killed in duels

I don't think we even know how many exactly

But at least we know that Joe Biden mildly embarrassed Taylor Swift

The point is

You'll remember more new events from politics than old events

And these new memorable events are shaped by what gets the most clicks

And bad events, failures and the such get a lot of clicks

So there you go

But people are the same as before

Same in natural intelligence and such

The common person of today is more educated than a peasant in the 18th century

And the leaders are very much the same

Only our perception of reality is unreal

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

I ended my rant with a pun

Intelligence +1000

[crisp lantern]

You sure you want to stick with that one bud?

Americans r pretty dumb

Even iv toasted a microwave

Although ig i was more educated after that one

[hot sinew]

Absolutely

[crisp lantern]

actually, funny, while I was working out yesterday I found this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4TICZ67Ws4&list=WL&index=2

[light moat]

sometimes over others

not supporting him tho

[quick surge]

I would also like to introduce another man

called

Winnie the Pooh Xi Jinping

and

this guy

[high parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/kyodo-gif-21531758

[stray magnet]

Tbh it didn’t look like the soviets were in any good shape for invading the Germans

Considering what just happened in Finland one year before the German invasion

And what purging most of your competent general and junior officer staff does to your average red army

So yeah, it’s practically Nazi Propaganda/Speaking points

[light moat]

[lucid prism]

I don't think that's controversial. If lend lease happened to Geramny and Stalin literally died and they made 0 mistakes then I mean..?

The USSR had a smaller army fielded than Germany at the start of the war, they weren't really mobilized. Stalin didn't think Hitler was goinmg to invade. They did mobilize very quickly though lol. But as seen in the later stages of the Eastern front they outmaunvered and outbombarded the Germans.

[lucid prism]

Good opinion, Marisa Kirisame.

[stray magnet]

Ty

[lucid prism]

Is your pfp ai art

[stray magnet]

no

last one i used, was

[steep pine]

Poland could have never won the war even if france and britaid did decide ivading germany

[fair hearth]

They actually did invade Germany

[steep pine]

Yea but after sum fighting they retreated to the magino line

[fair hearth]

Had Poland lasted longer

The French would have been more commited in their Saar offensive

And it's quite likely they could actually win this war

But like I think this is the interesting possibility

If Poland did last a little longer

And the allies were to make gains toward the Ruhr

Would the Soviet Union be pressured in assisting Germany in a time where allied sacrifices have already been huge

[steep pine]

Ig

[fair hearth]

Imo the backstab part that the allies did is not threatening the Soviets into staying out of this conflict

[steep pine]

I mean the west plan was the worst in my opinion the poles could have made....

[fair hearth]

It was necessary

The Poles must not give up ground

They are surrounded everywhere

And they do not enjoy the vastness of countries like the SU

Every land lost decreases the likelihood of losing this war

There is no way they could sustain this war anyway even if they secured better positions east of the Vistula

Best to risk all in buying the allies time

[queen thorn]

I doubt Polands wartime strategy would allow for that tbh

[true hill]

Catalonia could have become a part of France during the Franco Spanish War of the 1600's

[stray magnet]

tbf, Poland's borders were VERY overstretched, espacially the german and soviet borders

so the soviets would have went in with poland distracted by the germans. although either by force (invasion) or threats with some probably very vague words on paper that the soviets totally not exploit, cough the baltics cough cough

as seen in our time, sure britain and france might have declared war but realistically? I doubt the British and French are truly that committed to 'fighting the soviets'

until maybe say...the winter war but this is a very shaky and usntable assumption as it lives off the asusmption that the poles can survive longer than expected and the allies somehow are able to take down the German army (not impossible but its a very slim chance, followed by political whims from the governments like Chamberlain)

[remote hazel]

Didn't think this chat would die

took like 9 months

[proven tundra]

Lol

[left egret]

Yep

[inner mortar]

Should've died earlier than a gestated fetus tbh

[carmine vector]

Hot

[nimble haven]

Bush did 911

[tepid kiln]

nice

[carmine vector]

Communism, Socialism, and all forms of Marxism suck, and have been the perpetrators of the largest humans rights abuses in human history.

[left egret]

True communism is ok

But you will never get there

[fair hearth]

Hitler would've made an excellent Hentai artist

[paper scaffold]

He was terrible at drawing faces so no

[fair hearth]

Anime heads are just a circle and a triangle

Tbh

They're harder to draw

Idk why

[paper scaffold]

Shhhh don't give the wehraboos any ideas

[left egret]

Rule 2?

[fair hearth]

What

[left egret]

This

[fair hearth]

Even the human head is

[left egret]

Sorry this I mean

[fair hearth]

Cool

[noble solar]

this one is about brazilian history, but it's a controversial opinion nonetheless

the 18 of copacabana revolt was REALLY stupid

[tepid kiln]

russia did 9/11

[carmine vector]

Obamas husband did 9/11

[tepid kiln]

wait wdym obamas husband

[carmine vector]

Obamas second husband

[tepid kiln]

his wife not husband

:|

ok then i guess husband :/

[carmine vector]

FrFr 🤫

[dusty idol]

boogereats has been warned

Reason: rule 1 violation

[mortal dock]

AMD makes better GPU’s than Nividia

[stray magnet]

Spain did nothing wrong
Sources: none

[eager lodge]

Damn right

[light moat]

Santa is real

[high parrot]

Santa is real

[fair hearth]

I mean

Ya aint wrong

Geforce is too expensive

But eh I'll still buy Nvidia like a real chad

[dusty idol]

oppnuke has been warned

Reason: rule 1 violation

[fair hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[calm trail]

Joseph stalin have small pp

[paper scaffold]

But he still has two balls (I think). Hitler only got one. And poor Goebbels has none at all.

[calm trail]

All of those fascist are virgin

[fair hearth]

So are you

[calm trail]

[inner mortar]

this burn is so hot, no snow from the polar regions can cool it off

[mortal dock]

Na. Maybe even buy an intel GPU but not Nividia

[lavish field]

Nevada

Exists

[crisp lantern]

it does, unfortunatly

[calm trail]

Adolf Hitler is not circumcised

[tepid kiln]

Hitler fled to argentina

[crisp lantern]

Iv got friends who live there who say he did

[tepid kiln]

nice

[dusty idol]

ottovonbismark123 has been warned

Reason: Mass emoji

[mortal dock]

my dad is obsessed with gta

idk what the point of writing this is im just bored and i cant sleep but i introduced my dad to gta 5 in 2020 and we both liked the game. i played a normal amount till i finished to story and got bored on online. my dad hasnt gotten bored yet. it is almost 2024 and he still plays this game everyday and he works from home so he plays it all day. it has been almost 4 years of constantly hearing about gta 5 i hate it so much ive tried to get him into any other game but he just clings to gta. he bought another ps5 and tv just so he can watch tv and play gta at the same time. he even uses my account for gta. when hes not playing gta hes watching gta. he brought his ps5 to a tournament to play gta in a hotel. what kind of serotonin is rockstar putting in this game i wish i never showed him this game

hes on a server for gta on almost every app so i really hope he doesn’t see this. dad if you do see this im not hating just please get a new game

[inner mortar]

Make him play Lethal Company

[mortal dock]

K

[fair hearth]

It takes a shit ton to grind it

Or maybe he has friends in the game

Most likely

It's pretty fun I guess

I got like idk some 800 hours on it

Got bored

[tepid kiln]

the soviet army killed the hikers in the dyatlov pass

or maybe bigfoot

[inner mortar]

which would be very deviously crafty, or stupid of them fending off vacationing hikers

ripping tents and discovering bodies scattered all over the scenes of the crime

[fair hearth]

It was the dern capitalist alienz

[crisp lantern]

wait was that the one with the 9 hikers who mysteriously died

[steep pine]

War thunder sucks

[slender acorn]

Roman history is mid

[limpid folio]

Explain

[tepid kiln]

yep

[high parrot]

Russia is controlled by the demons released by the soviets in the civil war to fight the whites

[light moat]

Russia is controlled by Rasputins ghost

[high parrot]

Tru

[hot sinew]

I'm sick of hearing about Rome

[crisp lantern]

Rome isnt sick of you

[hot sinew]

?

[fair hearth]

Rome thinks about you everyday

[crisp lantern]

Rome loves you bro

[light moat]

Legio Aeterna Aeterna Victrix

[steep pine]

carthage is better than rome

[slender acorn]

Same

[light moat]

If it was better then it would not have been defeated by Romans

[crisp lantern]

only one built an empire that lasted centuries, an empire that is the envy of every nation

and the other is remembered for being beaten by the other

[crisp lantern]

I wouldnt say that, but it certaintly has a capacity to do so

[remote hazel]

Didn’t learn the last time did ya?

[dusty idol]

oppnuke has been warned

Reason: Rule 1

[remote hazel]

Savage Tree Griffin

!1984

[dusty idol]

:Creepy:

[remote hazel]

!1984

[dusty idol]

Literally 1984...

[high parrot]

Literally 1984

[limpid folio]

Griffbot has spoken

Hail

[proven tundra]

🌳🪓

[remote hazel]

Denied

[stray magnet]

The cherry tree chopped itself down

[valid shell]

hitler was a skilled leader

[tepid kiln]

everyone i hate is hitler and a nazi

[unique belfry]

Wdym skilled

[tepid kiln]

and also hitler is good at making speeches i recommend it for those who failed art school

[slender acorn]

Failed art class? Don't worry fascism has you covered!

[light moat]

Abstract art gained lots of popularity after ww2

they be letting anyone into art school now

[crisp lantern]

Wow
My understanding of art just took a radical shift

[remote hazel]

Tbf he’s skilled at Public Speaking

[paper scaffold]

As much as he was a monster, one reason why so many people fell for his ideology was because of his charisma and oratory skills.

Without charismatic figures like Hitler and Goebbels, the Nazis would never have achieved the same level of success.

[steep pine]

well uh

without hitler

the nazi party wouldnt exist

[paper scaffold]

Who knows? Maybe someone even worse than Hitler would have come along.

[steep pine]

yeah probably

[calm trail]

Nazi Supporters are virgin

[light moat]

especially the modern day ones

[calm trail]

Anyone who support adolf hitler and the nazis are virgins

Uncircumcised

[light moat]

Facts

[calm trail]

I'm tired seeing tiktok kids glorifying the nazis 😭😭

[light moat]

I look at the comments on those and know that humanity is doomed

[calm trail]

They need re education 💀

[light moat]

They need a capitalist education camp

[calm trail]

🇺🇲🔥

[steep pine]

"UHMMMM... IF AMERIKA DIDnT MASS PRODUCTH THEIR TANKSTH THEN GREAT WEHRMACHTTH WOULDVE WON THE WAR!!!!"

[unique belfry]

It’s weird some people are neo nazis because nearly all of them aren’t aryan

[light moat]

Most neonazis today would have been the ones in the camps if they were alive back then

[steep pine]

not to mention the weeaboos

the mass amount of white ass people who think imperial japan was great empire or smth

[light moat]

Attack pearl harbor and and take Americas under defended territory in Southeast China. loose your key ships at Midway then get pushed back all the way to mainland Japan 1 Island at a time with 2 atomic bombs on top. Not to forget the soviets pushing from the North happily accepting gulag workers.

"great indeed"

It was probably great early on like boker rebellion ww1 and Russo Japanese war etc but yea

[mortal dock]

I’m a centrist

That was my friend fake news

[mortal dock]

How Trump can still win

under section 34 of Secure Credits and Taxes act, the president can induce artificial inflation and if the inflation gets high enough, technically Trump can declare emergency powers and not leave the office, google "Trump SCAT inflation rule 34" for more info

[paper scaffold]

💀

[light moat]

Hi a centrist,im donskoy

Jk

[solid portal]

🖕🤓

[solid portal]

Obama bin laden

[tepid kiln]

joe bama

[crisp lantern]

Obamna

[light moat]

i drink commie tears

[vale hazel]

Not always

Many people, me included, believe that it wasn't necessary

[valid shell]

so the opposer of communism which is capitalism is great?

no fault? no violation of human rights?

and by saying that do you consider all the remaining socialist countries in the world are "terrible"?

[crisp lantern]

Oof dialectic

[gleaming cairn]

I support Wagner and Rusich

[lavish field]

Why do you believe so?

[vale hazel]

I can elaborate later as I'm busy rn but we now have evidence from high ranking American generals and admirals of the time that the Japanese expressed that they were willing to surrender before the atomic bombings. Their only demand was to be allowed to keep their emperor. At the time, the US was against this demand but they eventually gave it to Japan anyway

[lavish field]

Fair enough

[valid shell]

no 💀

[inner mortar]

the world's gotta see what a mushroom bomb's gotta look like

[gritty relic]

World War Two started July 7th, 1937

2nd Chinese Civil War never ended

Mainland Belongs to Republic of China just a bandit government stole it

[remote hazel]

Google says "Nuh Uh" with the first one
2nd one is technically correct
3rd one, Define Mainland and Bandit

[gritty relic]

You’re not funny

[remote hazel]

Wasn’t trying to be

[fair hearth]

Eh not really, Picasso's pretty popular at the time already

[fair hearth]

You lost

And Chiang is a corrupt dictator too

Arguably even worse than the communists at the time

[inner mortar]

truly the skill issues of all times

mf had Dai Li

[light moat]

ik but it gained much more popularity is what im saying

[gritty relic]

Philippine belongs to United States

[tepid kiln]

da spanish

[fair hearth]

The United States backstabbed the ROC

[gritty relic]

I will kill you

[fair hearth]

It's the truth lol

They didnt help you when they could have

[gritty relic]

It’s Marshall, Truman and Carter’s fault

[fair hearth]

They even made frjends with Mao later on lol

And abandoned Taiwan

Now most countries today is stuck dont recognize your sovereignty

[gritty relic]

Not really abandoned

[fair hearth]

America betrayed you

[gritty relic]

Because the article

[fair hearth]

Still a traitor

[gritty relic]

You’re right

But we didn’t lost

Because no one won

[fair hearth]

Who's stuck in an island right now

[remote hazel]

So Taiwan has been actively losing for like 75 years?

[fair hearth]

That's a harder L

[valid shell]

CIA have a bright side that little know about

[remote hazel]

Yeah Flashbangs

[inner mortar]

and nobody in the same side ever learned... and thus failed to make comebacks in the Pacific Curtain

@fair hearth Do you think the US has tried their very best in dealing with the Cold War across all of Asia?

I wanna put a fedora on this creepy emoji and transform him into Oppie

[rough elm]

Lets be real the Taliban took Afghanistan fair and square and people should just accept it and unsanction them

[pliant elm]

Man I didn't know we had a thread like this

It's more like necessary than right

[rough elm]

wAIT

ahh

caps

[pliant elm]

There is no right or wrong there

[rough elm]

sorry

Yeah

[pliant elm]

Germany was ambitious and can you blame someone for being ambitious ?

[rough elm]

really I was gonna say they were the lesser evil upuntill the gas

They also wanted to support their ally

which is a good motive

Now back to contraversy

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-money-vince-mcmahon-money-wwe-capitalism-gif-23623669

Capitalism is great

But

because of human nature it dosnt work

Just like all the other systems

EXCEPT THE CALIPHATE WHOOOOO

[pliant elm]

Tfs wrong with the gas

Everyone uses new weapons, everyone commits warcrimes

[rough elm]

True

I said that so people wouldn't think I support warcrimes

[pliant elm]

Gas wasn't exactly a warcrime

Americans had the Nukes, that was a new weapon

While it is kinda a warcrime but that's OK

Sorfa

Cus they won

[rough elm]

Yeah I mean America also used the forbidden shotgun

[pliant elm]

And the firebombings

[pliant elm]

Forbidden shotgun, this case was like

[rough elm]

And cause jAPan WaS EViL No INNocENTS

[pliant elm]

Commit sins, do penance boom your in heaven and all those victims of the sins are unjustified

Americans were like you commit warcrimes, we commit warcrimes, it's like a sibling squabble

[rough elm]

Why do people actually think Anarchism can work

Its the worst system

OHHH I WANT MY FREEDOM NO TAXES GOVERMENT EVIL

Sure the government is F'ed up

[pliant elm]

Anarchism is fucking idiotic

[rough elm]

But no government would be worse criminals can run rampant without law enforcement

[rough elm]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

Its brain dead

[pliant elm]

Anarchists can only be criminals who want some official speaking ability

[rough elm]

Anarchists are either people who want to evade taxes (Libertarians)

Or people who want to run rampant with no one to stop them

[pliant elm]

Psychopaths

[rough elm]

And others are just knockoff socilism

[inner mortar]

the best lack of system

[fair hearth]

It's so joever

[inner mortar]

joewarida

[pliant elm]

Dealing with ? Nothin cold in Asia bout Cold War they set em on fire if anything

I still can't understand American foreign policy back then

Why Vietnam

Why 1917

[fair hearth]

Imperialism under the cloak of preserving freedom

[inner mortar]

Empire is a bad overt taste for democrats... why not Hegemonism?
Athens tried their best in making an empire outta the Delian League

[inner mortar]

you can point your finger upon blame to whoever does their most out of putting their fellow citizens unto the busy proud quagmires of duties and responsibilities

[valid shell]

soviet union was one of the best country to ever exist

[rough elm]

Proof

[valid shell]

first off in terms of international affairs

the birth of soviet union was the catalyst for many countries to rise up and liberate themselves

soviet also supported militarily economically and ideologically to those liberation fronts

[rough elm]

First off those weren't "liberations"

[valid shell]

so you mean...

deposing dictatorship is not "liberation"?

getting rid of foreign power ain't a liberation too?

[rough elm]

the effects of communism severely damaged those countries and the "revolutionary leaders" became the dictators

[rough elm]

Replace a foreign oppressor with a local one great liberation

[valid shell]

i don't know what you think of this but imo the problem was down to the leader themselves

not the ideology they had

[rough elm]

The ideology in writing sounds great but human nature wont allow it

[valid shell]

the point lies in human nature

yes that's the point

[rough elm]

im tried of commies saying the ideology is good people bad waaaah we arnt a failed ideology

[rough elm]

The soviet union was an authoritarian mess

After Stalin it improved a little

[valid shell]

i hope nobody's gonna put the blame on an ideology despite faults were committed by human nature that bear that ideals

[valid shell]

i vehemently come to terms with the authoritarian nature of soviet

but it didn't came down that badly

[rough elm]

If it isn't compatible with human nature and caused more deaths than most ideologies (except maybe Monarchism/Colonialism) in history

[rough elm]

The death of 14-40 million during the reign of one man "Didnt come down to badly"

[valid shell]

i was gonna say life was quite a bit better after stalin era

we all know what that one strongman did to the country under his reign

[jade skiff]

Very funny

[valid shell]

i don't understand why people here hate soviet union that much

[jade skiff]

Il give you a few reasons

[valid shell]

especially communism/socialism

[jade skiff]

First of all it completely destroyed any chance of Pesantry to have any rights of welath

They were literally a slave class under Stalin and tehy conditions only marginally improved under Khruschev

[valid shell]

what about brezhnev era?

[jade skiff]

Collectivistaion basically reintroduced serfdom

[jade skiff]

things did improve but not for much

Especially considering how the economy stalled in teh middle of his reign

[jade skiff]

Second of all, Soviet Leaders were very keen on removing anyone who they felt like isnt going with party policy

Look at what happend to Czechoslovakia and Poland after WW2, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia again in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979

[valid shell]

speaking of czechoslovakia and afghanistan

aggression made by soviet was cruel and we certainly condemn it

however in the case of czechoslovakia

soviet leadership had made attempts to negotiate with commie czech president

for his backing down

before it became futile and they had no choice but violence

while in case of afghanistan

soviet initially wasn't interested in intervening

[jade skiff]

Lol, if anything it just shows how countries were focibly kept in Warsaw pact and Soviet Sphere of influence

[valid shell]

but after things went terribly bad and with persuasion from head of KGB they went on with the invasion

[valid shell]

they fear of NATO and political infiltration from the West ofc

how could we blame them for it

their fear towards czech ofc turned out to be false

[jade skiff]

But when West does it suddenly is is wrong?

[valid shell]

can you clarify your statement?

[jade skiff]

You seem to be very critical of the US interverntions for the same reasons

[valid shell]

what's so good about US intervention?

[jade skiff]

Im not saying its good, im saying you criticise the US for the same reason you justify USSR

[valid shell]

I've been trying to defend my point while admitting Soviet's fault

im not so critical of Western interventions tho?

[jade skiff]

in different conversations you were, but okay

Another reason is that how much preferential treatment was given to party members

[valid shell]

how has that happened?

[jade skiff]

Simle, they always had access to something that others werent be it automobiles, services such as healthcare, payment, their children had better access to quality education...

Soviets just replaced previous previleged class with nomenclatura

[valid shell]

all the party members had the same privilege or depends on their ranking?

[jade skiff]

It depended on ranking, but the thing is, just being in the party already gave you so much more opportunities than all of the other people

[valid shell]

so that's the party members

what about the people themselves?

do they even lack any privilege or perhaps lacking some but still guaranteed a fulfilled life after all?

[jade skiff]

Well, i cant say for sure since in late Brezhnev's era economy and country overall kind of went downhill in almost all areas

but theoretically the later

But for this reason, corruption was also quite common

[valid shell]

was it more common than the west at the time?

[jade skiff]

Sadly i don't know, they probably were about on the same level, but can't say for sure

[valid shell]

fair enough

[jade skiff]

That's a good question actually, il need to research it better

[valid shell]

so that's the problem in politics and social policies

[valid shell]

yw

anyway

but speaking of social policies

people in Soviet were still guaranteed free service tho

public means of transportation was wide

they just have some issue with purchasing personal automobiles

[jade skiff]

Free service that depending on time period was very rarely available, especially with healthcare

[jade skiff]

That is true though, can't argue with this

However, in the rural areas it was significantly worse

And for rural folk also had significantly more difficulties with accuring personal transportation

[valid shell]

could you give me a few examples?

i wanna have some insights of the situation

[inner mortar]

very daring of you
now it is one of the best countries to no longer exist

very fitting statement for the controversial opinions forum channel

[pliant elm]

I don't get a single word of those 2 lines

[jade skiff]

Well, many of perood photos show that road infrastructure was far from good in rural USSR, that's also a reason why many villagers tried to buy bikes or motorcycles instead of cars

Sadly it mqny cases it didn't actually improve since then

So this isn't really a critique of USSR per se, and more of just the state of rural areas overall

[valid shell]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hOw dARe yOu sAyIng THat 😭

[fair hearth]

The fancy communist regime strategy of only developing the urban areas since ofc only cities with epic building are good for photo ops

[jade skiff]

To be fair, this problem is as old as time

[fair hearth]

Ya know I was about to mention that

But figured I should not

[valid shell]

was there any taxing system in soviet union?

or no?

[fair hearth]

The gulags

[valid shell]

n-

not that one 💀

i mean real tax

any existed in soviet union?

[fair hearth]

I think they did

yeah they did

[valid shell]

so what was it?

[fair hearth]

Basically a VAT

[valid shell]

i see

but generally speaking taxation in soviet was a lot less severe than the west right?

[fair hearth]

No idea really, income however is definitely worse

[fair hearth]

Also

I wonder what do you mean by this?

[remote hazel]

What is the American Revolution?

[fair hearth]

I wouldn't exactly attribute decolonization and the rise of revolutions during the cold war as a result of the Soviets

I'd rather point that to weakened colonial administrations as a result of a post ww2 environment

[jade skiff]

a lot also must be attributed about rise of national conciousness

Of course its not applicable in every case

[fair hearth]

That's something already present way before the Soviets even materialised

yeah

It's just a matter of if the means to make such a revolution are even possible

Not to mention that WW2 and the cold war suddenly left a huge surplus of firearms

Tbh, the more I read about Marx

The more I don't think his theories were that bad

Given the time period

[valid shell]

when the state of soviet was founded many countries felt a stronger urge of national liberation and they even were confident in their own resistance

[fair hearth]

The American and French revolution also inspired similar revolutions

[valid shell]

so did the soviets

[fair hearth]

Particularly in Latin America

[fair hearth]

Best I could think of is Africa

[valid shell]

i think foundation of soviet otherwise had a global influence

[valid shell]

asia and latin america too

[fair hearth]

By the time of the cold war, most and if I'm correct all countries in Latam are independent

As for asia, perhaps the only case would be vietnam iirc

[valid shell]

they fell into the sphere of American influence sadly

[valid shell]

china?

[fair hearth]

China is not liberation

[valid shell]

north korea (oh i wouldn't say liberation)

[fair hearth]

China was never colonized

And it was an internal conflict between the CCP and the KMT

[valid shell]

oh wait i know

[remote hazel]

Wdym sadly

[valid shell]

probably laos and cambodia

[fair hearth]

Yeah I'd consider that similar with vietnam

[pliant elm]

N word censor is not necessary

[valid shell]

when cold war arrived countries in latin america began to fell into the influence of USA

[fair hearth]

All three were part of French Indochina afterall

[pliant elm]

As a whole not just in this server

[remote hazel]

Ok?

[valid shell]

instead of gaining true independence they once again had their government installed with dictatorship

suppression and mass killings were everywhere

[fair hearth]

The rest in Southeast asia such as singapore, malaysia, and Indonesia are staunchly anti communist

[remote hazel]

The Eastern Bloc was built on that

[fair hearth]

Hell we even formed ASEAN just to combat communism lmao

[valid shell]

only those three countries then

[valid shell]

it was purported for anti-communism at the onset lol

[fair hearth]

For Asia, I think yeah that would be the case

[valid shell]

so for latin america

[remote hazel]

Do they not know of the Middle East

[valid shell]

i guess that would be cuba

[fair hearth]

And if you want to believe Suharto, count Timor Leste too

[valid shell]

ehh does timor leste has got anything to do with this?

[fair hearth]

Suharto invaded Timor Leste and commited genocide

Due to

"We believe they are setting up a communist regime"

[valid shell]

suharto was initially kind of soft with timorese issue

but after some generals kept bothering him with threat of communism

[fair hearth]

Yeah but that's because it was still under the Portugese

[valid shell]

he went on the bloody invasion

[fair hearth]

Man

[valid shell]

revolution came to quick for timorese people

they really didn't see that coming

which led them into a state of uncertainty

[fair hearth]

I find it fairly amazing how the fuck our country managed to experience the southeast asian shithole of the cold war

[valid shell]

so a party has to be picked to govern the situation

and yk the FRELIMO sprung up

[valid shell]

philippines didn't do much in southeast asia during the cold war

they were busy fighting the communist and moro separatists

[fair hearth]

Eh kinda

[fair hearth]

yeah

Out of everyone we're arguably the most stable

The odd part is

why the fuck are we still poor

[valid shell]

the only overseas engagement of philippines in SEA during cold war as far as i know

was vietnam war

[fair hearth]

Korean war too

Somewhat

[valid shell]

and ofc they barely sent some doctors and assistants

[valid shell]

im talking abt southeast asia lol

[remote hazel]

Idk, btw send the US more of ur doctors plz

[fair hearth]

Then there's your usual Chinese infractions into the many islands of the south china sea

[valid shell]

marcos f*cked everything up

[fair hearth]

And his son is now back 💀

[valid shell]

even the successor of marcos wasn't any better

[fair hearth]

Dude

Whenever I open FB

[valid shell]

oh no 💀

[fair hearth]

and look at the comment section

Jesus christ

Mental retardation

[valid shell]

they praised him like god or smt?

[fair hearth]

Yes sir

It's hilarious

They act like children loyal to their parents

[valid shell]

ikr

i can see that too

[fair hearth]

And oh my

You can never provide sources to so called loyalists

They'll just brush it off as FAKE

or exaggerated

Tbh

I used to be a Marcos loyalist XD

[valid shell]

how long has marcos jr been on power now?

[fair hearth]

About a year and a half

Lately there's drama lol

Duterte and him are fighting

[valid shell]

philippine politics is truly a joke man

[fair hearth]

Yeah it really is

So much wasted potential

We had a really good foundation to be a wealthy nation

[fair hearth]

ish

at least compared to our neighbors

Although in some sense that's actually the problem

Made worse by American "liberation" of the PH

PH national identity never matured or materialised

EDSA give birth to a newfound national identity, but that one failed since the next administrations would fail to solve the economic crisis as a result from Martial law

And ah

When filipinos are disappointed with bureaucrats

They appoint idiots

Celebrities like Erap who had no political education or experience in politics

Other than being popular

And appealing to the masses via your usual plain folks marketing

[valid shell]

america never liberate philippines yeah

and was never a good friend of phil too ngl

[fair hearth]

The real problem is that their landings gave off the impression that we are indebted to the americans for saving the Japanese

[valid shell]

philippines had a strategic role in halting china's expansion

imagine if you guys somehow lose it

what would the yanks do?

simple

[fair hearth]

The Filipinos forget their original oppresor just because a worse one came lmao

[valid shell]

abandon and find a better one

[fair hearth]

Nah they did not

The Americans funded the Marcos regime

and the martial law period

Due to fears of communism

[valid shell]

that's the past

now they're negligient

[fair hearth]

Ah you mean right now?

[valid shell]

ja

[fair hearth]

Well America is back in town

[valid shell]

look at the standoff at scarborough

you guys appealed the international court to no avail

even asked for help from good friend "Yanks"

what did they do?

being idle ofc

no significant help was bid to help phil reclaim island from the red dragon

[fair hearth]

What I find it funnier now is that thanks to du30, the same chinese ships that build these artificial islands are also the ones now responsible for land reclamation in Manila Bay

Everyday I see those ships just outside my window XD

how ironic

[valid shell]

bruh

[fair hearth]

tbf the situation in South China sea is a bit complex

Almost everyone also has claims on it

Including Vietnam

And it's a difficult ruling to enforce

Since China has leverage it could use

[pliant elm]

What's the most effective way for ethnic cleansing ?

[fair hearth]

You introduce culture

and brand them as modernity ✨

[pliant elm]

I said cleansing

Like just kill them off

Don't want them on your land

[fair hearth]

They're gonna start killing each other soon as the debate of tradition vs modernity starts

[pliant elm]

We wanna kill em

We are a race and they are a race that's scattered all across the nation.

We wanna agitate other races across the nation to turn against them

How would you do it

Well mot exactly kill, slave labour is acceptable

IN fact I think that's the best way

Give em minimum and extract maximum then they'll die out

If they don't well that's good for us

[jade skiff]

To be fair, so were most of Pro-Soviet countries too

[inner mortar]

I attribute that to skill issue

[fair hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-emoji-funny-gif-25240293

[inner mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/diagnosis-skill-issue-diagnosis-skill-issue-draker-discord-gif-22231351

[inner mortar]

They chose to do nothing simply because we also chose to do nothing, for chicommie wealth

[valid shell]

didn't you guys send some warships over there?

[inner mortar]

first a warship in Scarborough
then a specially selected diplomat sent to China, a senator (with a background of staging a mutiny in 2004), to negotiate deescalation
we switched a navy vessel for a Coast Guard while the numerically superior Chinese fishing vessels withdrew, only for a short duration prowling around the shoal before shortly coming back within the vacated zone of tension

Coast Guard ship comes back to report this incident

and the international suing begins

the Philippines won the case, but then the newly elected president chose not to pursue the issue further in a bid for PRC investments & brownie points in foreign relations at the price of national concerns

now that's enough of skirting rule smth for how current affairs come to be for you si bu

at the same time throughout this international case, PRC proceeds to terraform the reefs and shoals of the SCS into a series of fortified military installations and an administrative city

[steep pine]

war thunder sucks

[inner mortar]

not a very controversial opinion, so yes

[valid shell]

Fidel Castro was a good leader

[inner mortar]

He sure loves his dairy interests

[rough elm]

Ahh fidel and dairy

a tale as old as time

[tepid kiln]

Napoleon is short

and not average height

[inner mortar]

who cares about heights, man
short people can be short kings

[tepid kiln]

:)

[light moat]

short compared to today

[light moat]

baby alien

[inner mortar]

things foreign to our planet will never apply to be fellow short human kangz

[pliant elm]

3/4th of the communists don't even know how it works

[pliant elm]

Average oversimplied fan

Look up how tall Alexander was

[valid shell]

napoleon is in fact - short

if we judge his height based on modern standard of men

[pliant elm]

IF

We've always got something to slander someone

Is condemning evil slander ?

*insult

If that's actually a no answer then no one here has insulted Hitler ceot for the ball stuff

[pliant elm]

If we define tyranny as some form of government that can and will harasses everyone except those in power then Third Reich wouldn't be tyranny ?

But Belgium, Netherlands, Britain, France all would've been one at some point

Wait

Germans killed Poles and Soviets so no it would've been tyranny too or we would have to remove the other countries from tyranny

[fair hearth]

The Nazis didn't exactly harass their population

Unless you are a jew or a different nationality

[eager lodge]

Uhmm excuse me lol???

If you were a Jew, Socialist, Anarchist, Communist, political dissident, homosexual, gypsie, slav, or other "non-desirable" you would have been harassed, arrested and later, sent to camps.

[fair hearth]

Pretty much

[eager lodge]

Their regime was one of the most oppresive and authoritarian one in history. To say that they "didn't exactly harass their population" is a complete ludicrous statement.

[fair hearth]

I mean tbf the Nazis were strict on who belonged to "their" group, those who did belong to it weren't exactly harassed on a daily basis compared to the people they viewed as undesirable such as the ones you've mentioned above

Huh so it turned out I misread horribly lmao

Turns out the original question was referring to everyone

[paper scaffold]

Tyranny is when the ruling establishment has limitless unchecked power, regardless of how many people or types of people are oppressed by the state. Absolute monarchies are a form of tyranny even if they don't overtly murder people to secure their power because one person has the final say all the time. The Nazis were definitely tyrants because they eradicated parliamentary democracy and set up a sham court called the People's Court that handed down sentences to enemies of the regime without fair trials, not to mention the Gestapo, RSHA and other organisations that gave the Nazis unlimited power.

[paper scaffold]

Hmm, let's see:

• The first concentration camp at Dachau was established to house 6000 socialists and social democratic politicians.
• Labour unions were terrorised by police, their leaders arrested, and forced into a single organisation called the German Labour Front that sought to uphold the interests of big business at all costs, in other words, not a labour union.
• The Night of Long Knives killed much of their opposition
• Kristallnacht destroyed Jewish stores and synagogues and began to process of forcefully deporting Jews from Germany.
• The Gestapo Law gave the Gestapo the right to operate without being subject to legal retribution. In other words, they were above the law.
• The Night and Fog Decree gave the Gestapo the right to detain anyone on the mere suspicion of hindering the war effort.
• Catholics were persecuted by the regime and Protestants who opposed the Reich Church project were also labelled enemies.
• Alongside Jews and socialists, the regime killed homosexuals, Roma people, Slavic people and the disabled. In the case of the latter, there were mandatory euthanasia programs for certain illnesses.

"The Nazis didn't exactly harass their population"

[steep pine]

bro what 💀

[crisp lantern]

“Fun” fact Benedict XVI’s cousin was killed by nazis cause he had special needs

[fair hearth]

Gosh

What I mean is "their" population

The Nazis are highly purists when it comes to who they consider as part of their German society

At it's core it strives to destroy the opposition

Surely the Nazis wouldn't refer to jews and communists as part of "their" community

[eager lodge]

Simply not the case. Even people that fulfilled the "Aryan" criteria were still subject to the oppression of the Nazi regime and would have been equally persecuted if they stepped out of line.

Members of the Nazi party itself were not immune to persecution, the night of the long knives proved this, as Hitler purged the party to secure his position. Moreover, the Nuremberg racial purity laws would make life for Germans even more difficult.

Truth is no-one was safe and could be imprisoned or sent to the camps for a small misstep or saying the wrong thing.

[valid shell]

USA one of the greatest country in the world 😎

[fair hearth]

Freedom!

[crisp lantern]

It is the GREATIST in the world

So great i misspelled greatest

[meager jolt]

he had underrated policies for sure

[pliant elm]

Greatest at lissing everyone off

USA is like that popular kid, there's just some three sides

One with USA, One against USA, One who doesn't care about USA and the only difference is the level of hatred they have for USA

But all hate USA

That's a better wording I suppose

[valid shell]

hell yeah 😎 🔥

[valid shell]

F*CK YEAH BRING THEM SOME FREEDOM

[fair hearth]

I LOVE AMERICA

[valid shell]

i spot oil sticking on my wok

bring some democracy to mah wok right now

[fair hearth]

WE WILL MAKE SLAVES FREE

[valid shell]

LIBERTY F*CK YEAH

[fair hearth]

FUCK TAXES

[remote hazel]

Knock Knock Motherfucker, It’s the United States of America and I hear you got oil that’s not under my procession

[fair hearth]

Obesity is not a threat to national security

It's the FBI's shadow oil reserves

[fair hearth]

Wait a minute

Is slavery a form of renewable energy

[paper scaffold]

Unfortunately no because you're going to run out of people to enslave

Wait, unfortunately?

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf-movie-fnaf-memes-fnaf-foxy-foxy-gif-12025166950242832116

[fair hearth]

Who said I can't make more

[paper scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-confused-what-miksi-gif-23666335

[pliant elm]

Isn't that Dubai ?

[pliant elm]

This revives an idea

[light moat]

ermmm ackthually the americans wanted representation in parliment and a say in placing taxes, paying taxes want the issue

☝️🤓

[valid shell]

should Vietnam vets be honored as they are today? considering their sacrifice meant to help an invasion and in the end it went into void

[fair hearth]

The grunts on the ground didn't know any better

They're victims at the very least

@valid shell can the vietnam war can be considered an invasion?

I haven't looked that much into the war yet, but isn't it just the US wanting to secure the independence of the democratic south

[valid shell]

for which side?

[valid shell]

they have bigger ambitions than that

[fair hearth]

yeah ofc

But I wouldn't exactly call it an invasion

Since if that's the case then perhaps the Korean war would also count as an invasion

It's intervention at the very least

idk

You're the vietnamese dude

you tell me

[valid shell]

for us it's clearly an invasion

south vietnamese government at the time was very unpopular

[fair hearth]

Yeah but that's because you guys want to take out the south and unify the entirety of vietnam

there was an agreement iirc

I forgot which one

[valid shell]

ofc we have to take out the remnants of colonialism/ imperialism

cus south vietnamese government aka republic of vietnam

was actually a successor of state of vietnam

a puppet government under frenchy rule

[fair hearth]

sort of a puppet righjt?

yeah

[valid shell]

geneva convention?

[valid shell]

yeah

south vietnamese government was also very unpopular at the time (electoral fraud, brutal anti-communist ops, repression of buddhism,...etc)

while a trust towards us communist vietnam had been established among the locals

it's also worth noting that communist vietnam were the one who fought tooth and nail against colonial frenchies and puppet state of vietnam back in 50s

so when yankees jump in to so-called "contain the domino effect", it's nothing like an blatant invasion to us

[valid shell]

north korea after war against the japanese may not have set up ideological impact or trust in southern population

therefore i guess southerners strictly adhere to democratic ideals

while north absorb communist ideals

so when north korea launched an unprecedented assault on the south it came to be an invasion

as they were the first to wage war

[valid shell]

and this

so yk when american hopped in nobody calls it an invasion

taking into consideration those two factors above

which make up their looking as a savior who arrived to rescue the peninsula from infidels communist

[fair hearth]

Guys

I have a question

Say there's a groupwork

Would you guys be mad if one dude did everything

Basically meaning you can't really add more shit

[valid shell]

if he did everything and we got nothing in return

i would be mad

[fair hearth]

dude

One of my groupmates

Just finished a whole essay

We were supposed to work on

DAWG

WE HAVEN'T EVEN SETTLED ON A TOPIC YET

[valid shell]

he didn't tell you when he was doing that?

[fair hearth]

YEAH

He straight up just sent a gdocs link with a finished essay already 😭

[valid shell]

check the topic relevancy of his essay i suppose

[fair hearth]

It is relevant

[valid shell]

if it's fine just go on with it

[fair hearth]

But I originally wanted to talk about political dynasties

And that was sort of the direction our group discussion was converging on

Instead he uploads an essay about corruption without consulting us

[fair hearth]

I mean yeah

But like

sure he did the effort

BUT I NEED MY CONTRIBUTIONS

[valid shell]

hmm let's see

okay i got two choices for you ecir

one. try to talk to him to write new essay about topic you wish and vaguely reprimand his individualism

two. go on with that topic he has written and make sure you all still get the equally high score

[fair hearth]

Dude I honeslty have no idea how to deal with situations like this lmao

Since as much as possible

I don't want to piss of my groupmates since I'll be stuck with them for the entire term lmao

They aren't freeloaders either so that's nice

But taking everything without consulting us is really worrying

[valid shell]

is he some kind of an easy-going?

that dude who wrote

[fair hearth]

I actually have no idea yet

I never met him yet in class

[valid shell]

bruh

[fair hearth]

He only attends online sessions

And he seems to be active in the gc

[light moat]

yes