#Lunar Client Is Missing the Modern Minecraft Player

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desert shoal
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Hey Lunar Client team,

I want to share some feedback about a pattern I've noticed that I think is holding Lunar back from reaching its full potential.

Lunar Client has historically been dominant in the Hypixel space, and that's not a bad thing on its own. But over time, it seems like the majority of Lunar's attention has followed that same audience, with Hypixel even getting a dedicated section in the monthly recap videos. The problem is that Hypixel's player base, mostly Skyblock players, no longer represents the broader Minecraft Java community.

The reality is that Minecraft has changed a lot since 2023. 1.8 PVP is no longer the center of the community, and Hypixel's general population has significantly declined. Modern Minecraft is built around SMPs, newer PVP formats, creative servers, and building communities, and Lunar has been slow to serve any of these players.

Here's where I think the gaps are most visible:

SMP and modern PVP players are missing features that standalone mods have had for years. Builders have virtually no dedicated tooling. There is no equivalent to something like Litematica, or at least a more accessible version of it. The client still ships with a pre-installed Hypixel profile by default, which feels alienating to anyone who doesn't play there. On top of that, Lunar carries a lot of outdated 1.8 focused modules that add bloat for players who have no use for them.

All of this adds up to a poor experience for anyone outside the Hypixel bubble, and I say this as someone who has tried Lunar multiple times and each time ended up going back to standalone mods simply because they serve my needs better.

waxen hillBOT
desert shoal
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The rise of Fabric and user friendly custom launchers has made it easier than ever for average players to build their own modpack without a client, and Lunar is feeling that pressure. The path forward isn't doubling down on a shrinking demographic, it's expanding to meet where the community actually is today.

I genuinely want to see Lunar improve and grow. I hope this feedback is useful.

slim egret
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tl;dr make more mods for modern verions

tulip shell
desert shoal
# tulip shell Do you have any modules you'd like to see inside Lunar Client?

Suggested Lunar Client Feature Request

  1. Litematica style Schematic Viewer
    A mod that lets players view schematics in game but simplified for average users without the overwhelming number of settings Litematica has.
  2. Ixeris style High Polling Rate Fix
    A fix for the mouse high polling rate issue that doesn't cause significant lag, similar to what Ixeris does.
  3. Crosshair Addon Options
    Additional crosshair customization options that go beyond what the current Lunar crosshair module offers, similar to Crosshair Addons Public.
  4. Improved Minimap Module
    A more advanced minimap taking inspiration from Xaero's Minimap, Xaero's World Map, and XaeroPlus
    bringing their features into Lunar natively.
  5. Consumable Optimizer
    A client side eating handler that bypasses server side delays on the eating process. It is universally server safe.
  6. Crossbow Optimizer
    A client side crossbow reload handler that reduces the impact of ping and prevents server interruptions during reloading. It is universally server safe.
  7. Anchor Optimizer (inspired by Walksy's mod)
    Instantly removes anchors and nearby glowstone client side upon interaction, preventing accidental interactions with glowstone blocks that are no longer actually present.
  8. Improved AppleSkin / Hunger Bar Module
    The current implementation doesn't match the behavior of the original AppleSkin mod. A rework to match it accurately would be appreciated.
  9. Crystal Optimizer Update
    The current crystal optimizer module is noticeably slower than the latest version of Marlow's Crystal Optimizer, especially after its recent update. An update to bring it in line would be great.
  10. Enhanced Chat Features (not sure if exists in lunar or not)
    More chat history options, including Chat Heads support showing player avatars/heads next to their messages in chat.
  11. ViaFabricPlus style Version Compatibility
    A built in feature allowing players to join servers running older Minecraft versions than the client, similar to ViaFabricPlus.
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I got more but i would like these to come first.

muted ruin
desert shoal
muted ruin
desert shoal
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@muted ruin

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i hope you get my point

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its always better to see competition

muted ruin
# desert shoal 1. im pretty sure they have it 2. thats point!

about the mod downloads, some people rely on ad revenue from sites like modrinth and curseforge and mods have licenses so lunar cant always just add them, the reason why the modding community works this well is because developers decide if people can re-use their mods

desert shoal
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which makes the quality of both products better

desert shoal
# muted ruin about the mod downloads, some people rely on ad revenue from sites like modrinth...

some people rely on ad revenue from sites like modrinth and curseforge i dont get whats wrong with lunar competing?
mods have licenses so lunar cant always just add them, the reason why the modding community works this well is because developers decide if people can re-use their mods of course i know this and i have stated very clearly "ViaFabricPlus style Version Compatibility", and also most of lunar implementation are custom except Sodium and lithium mods

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Phantom if you haven't notice
lunar client popularity has been into decline meanwhile standalone fabric is getting famous

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the whole topic is about "we dont want lunar to fail slowly"

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we want them to compete with the standalone fabric mods

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essential mod is getting more players ingame than lunar client

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it just shows the difference

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you can remove your dislike because it does not justify your reasons

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like why are you so protective of the standalone mods and the mod creators?

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they have always existed even in lunar client peak era

muted ruin
# desert shoal `some people rely on ad revenue from sites like modrinth and curseforge` i dont...

the best solution for having more features is to make modpacks, lunar made modpacks for hoplite, wynncraft and mcci for example instead of adding mods like simple voice chat by default, this would support the creators on modrinth since modpacks get the mods from modrinth and curseforge
saying "lunar should have every feature thats at least somewhat useful by default" is like saying "windows should have every app that at least some people use by default", having more features built in increases loading time and thats the great thing about normal fabric, it launches fast and you decide what mods you want
also the main reasons people quit lunar are the slow loading times (caused by all the built in things) and mod incompatibilities so the solution for making lunar more popular in the 1.9+ community is not adding more built in mods but instead reducing launch time, fixing mod compatibilities and making more modpacks so people can easily get all the mods if they want that

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they have modpacks like "hoplite for lunar client" so they can make other modpacks like "pvp mods for lunar client"

desert shoal
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The Windows analogy falls apart immediately as Windows is a general purpose OS for everything from coding to video editing to gaming. Lunar is a purpose built Minecraft client whose entire identity is "everything works out of the box, no setup required" A better analogy would be saying "why does a gaming focused OS come with gaming tools pre-installed?" the answer is obvious, that's the point, isnt it?
The deeper contradiction in your argument
if the answer to everything is "make a modpack for it" then Lunar is just becoming a modpack launcher with extra steps. That already exists Prism/Modrinth Launchers do it better, with more flexibility and faster loading times. Lunar competing on that ground is a losing battle
your loading time concern is the only part worth taking seriously but it's an argument for optimization not for gutting native features. And notably heavy modpacks can be just as slow to load as a client or even slower because of the less integrity and optimizations coming from different developers and different mindset unlike lunar team which they all share the exact value on implementing a feature.

limber basalt
# desert shoal <@1453449280495812891>

That feature is a part of Apollo, our API. Servers have to intentionally enable it, for it to work.

A lot of those optimizers, with the exception of a few, do very very little and the ones that do actually make a difference are borderline cheats.. just side load them if you want them.

“Lunar client popularity has been into a decline” - no 😂

desert shoal
# limber basalt That feature is a part of Apollo, our API. Servers have to intentionally enable ...

That feature is a part of Apollo, our API. Servers have to intentionally enable it, for it to work. yes, i know that for sure.

A lot of those optimizers, with the exception of a few, do very very little and the ones that do actually make a difference are borderline cheats.. just side load them if you want them. while most optimizers might flag anti cheats, The ones that i mentioned are basically allowed everywhere, and it does not flag the most famous one, GrimAC

“Lunar client popularity has been into a decline” - no Similarweb shows lunarclient.com dropped from rank 22k to 26k globally, web traffic down 11% month over month and you cut Lunar+ from $9.99 to $6.99. You also had to acquire Badlion to stay relevant. That's not growth, that's consolidation to survive. 😄
hope you get my point respectfully, I'm just making my feedback!

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Category rank dropped from #711 -> #1031 in the Video Games category in just a few months

jaunty wigeon
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atleast its working for me bruh

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im fine with all those modules for 1.21.4 atleast

limber basalt
# desert shoal `That feature is a part of Apollo, our API. Servers have to intentionally enable...

I could be reading too much into it, but it seems like you might be upset? If so, that definitely wasn’t my intention.

That said, I do want to clear a few things up from your post. We track the Minecraft Java scene as a whole, and there’s been a general downswing across the space recently. Also, the numbers you’re looking at are estimations, not confirmed. We aren’t going any where, don’t worry. 😆

As for player count, we’re doing perfectly fine, but we’re always looking to grow and improve.

We’re definitely open to modern improvements, and I actually like a few of your suggestions, especially the expanded chat customization/chat heads & the crosshair improvements.

We’re already working on some pretty good updates to the crosshair mod, should hopefully roll out soon. I’ll also take a look into the AppleSkin/Hunger differences you mentioned. Are there specific features you notice that don’t exist in Lunar?

Regarding Badlion, we didn’t acquire it to grow our userbase or anything along those lines. Our main benefit was growing the developer team. Lunar+ being discounted was mostly done to align it more closely with the Badlion Premium/Premium+ pricing range, not because we had to. We’ve thought about adjusting the prices on cosmetics too in that regard.

There should be an update regarding Badlion later this year, hopefully around mid-summer.

We also have some pretty massive updates in the works overall that should make it clear we’re still heavily invested & trying to grow. 📈

rustic ravine
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Im I the only one who feels like the post was written by ai I know my comment is irrelevant and out of place

dull kindle
rustic ravine
desert shoal
rustic ravine
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Oh its an image

slim egret
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your suggestion is pretty good i can't lie but please make the text shorter i am not reading an essay to press on a thumbs up reaction bro

jaunty wigeon
desert shoal