I Respect chirstians but.

[simple glacier]

but why dont u add islam events like ramadan and eid, it will be cool, thx (I Respect chirstians)

[jolly girder]

well lunar is primarily used in christian majority countries

furthermore, christmas has become kind of a universal holiday which can be celebrated secularly too

[nocturne zinc]

just stop talking.

you're speaking right out of your ass, just because it's in your country, doesn't make it a secular holiday. You wouldn't see Saudi Arabia celebrating Christmas, China celebraiting Eit, any european country making Chinese New Year a national holiday.

[jovial thorn]

i do know a lot of arabs who celebrate christmas

[cobalt rain]

the zoo in antwerp actually does chinese new year light event every single year and i go to it every single year 🥰

[nocturne zinc]

Not rly... it's a primarily Christian/Catholic holiday. Unless of course they live in a country which does celebrate it

[nocturne zinc]

We do too, but it's not a day off like it is in China was the point

[jovial thorn]

I also know atheists who celebrate Christmas, the difference is that although the meaning of Christmas is the birth of Jesus, many do not care, both Christians and non-Christians, just take it as a holiday to spend family time and have a good day, many people celebrate things they do not know why they celebrate.

[nocturne zinc]

It still doesn't make it secular

Most muslims in my country just take it as a day off, nothing special

same with other religions

[cobalt rain]

that’s true but i just really like it and couldn’t shut up abt it im sorry please forgive me

[nocturne zinc]

I forgive you hope, do not fret

[jovial thorn]

if it is consecutive, it happens every year, that is, if it is in sequence, although universal is a big word, if it is the most celebrated, and although they do not do anything, do not put tree or dinner etc, they continue resting that day, that is, something changes them.

even if they do nothing, many jobs, Chinese, Muslims, Jews, Islamics, etc. even if they do not do anything, they give the day off, because they understand that even if they are not interested, they know that it is something important for many millions of people, and even if they do not have to, they give it off.

[nocturne zinc]

The word secular refers to no religious connotations, you're trying to make what is and always has been a predominantly Christian/Catholic religious holiday in to a 'secular' holiday doesn't make sense. The root of the celebration is religious therefore you will always be wrong. Although it has elements such as gift giving and decorations, it is and always will be a religious holiday only celebrated in countries with Christian/Catholic history.

[nocturne zinc]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! It's really important to remember that Christmas is celebrated in many different ways around the world. For instance, in countries like China, where Christianity isn't widely practiced, Christmas might feel more like a commercial event and isn't a public holiday. This shows how Christmas can be seen in a secular light in some places, focusing more on cultural or commercial festivities rather than religious ones. It's fascinating to see how diverse the celebrations can be, depending on where you are in the world!

[high raven]

omg yes this lesbian ate yall

[nocturne zinc]

THANKS

[jolly girder]

i was talking about extreme christrian majority countries

saudi arabia is an extreme muslim majority country

its ofc not totally secular, but in the west it is transitioning to it

81% of non-christians in the us celebrate it, for example

even in istanbul, a muslim city, christmas they go all out

not religiously, but just because of how universally well-known it is

[nocturne zinc]

Instanbul has a strong orthodox past

[jolly girder]

maybe so, but the current christian population is around 2% i think

[nocturne zinc]

It used to be the capital of the Byzantium empire, a Christian empire

[jolly girder]

i'm aware

but most families converted eventually

[nocturne zinc]

Well you can't say it's a muslim city when it has one of the more diverse cultures in europe

everyone had their own history with it

[jolly girder]

i mean it is tho

by definition looking at population stats

[nocturne zinc]

While the population converted, it's not considered a "muslim" city

it's got roots with every religion in europe

[jolly girder]

it isnt?

source?

[nocturne zinc]

google?

[high raven]

i love this thread

[jolly girder]

no like a website, a paper, smthn yk

[jolly girder]

i love grinding exp

[nocturne zinc]

It's considered a holy city in Christianity

[jolly girder]

true, that doesnt make it not a muslim city

[nocturne zinc]

I mean by your logic, you can say budapest is full of budas

[jolly girder]

what

[nocturne zinc]

exactly my point

[jolly girder]

i dont get it

im not saying istanbul is muslim because of the name lol

[cobalt rain]

i love u

[high raven]

i love YOU.

[nocturne zinc]

im not saying budapest is full of budas bc of the name, it's a known stereotype of the city that the name originated from the holy buda of pest

[jolly girder]

um what

[nocturne zinc]

The history of the name of Budapest is when the holy buda walked into the city of pest

[jolly girder]

no? i dont think so?

[nocturne zinc]

You need to take a history lesson buddy!

[jolly girder]

ok bro just gimme the source 💀

[nocturne zinc]

The city of budapest has a history museum, please go and visit!

[jolly girder]

if i had the money or the time i would

but how about you stop trynna spread misinformation

i feel like you just ran out of stuff to say and drove the point in some random direction lo

[nocturne zinc]

missinformation? never..

[boreal hornet]

How about both of you end this discussion as it's not the place thank you :)

[jolly girder]

i wanted exp 😢

my fault tho im sorry

i feel like this thread should also be taken down btw

[nocturne zinc]

nooo

keep the thread