1.8.9 Version with LWJGL 3 (20-60% fps increase)

[tiny beacon]

using LWJGL 3 on older versions like 1.8.9 can benefit a lot
LWJGL 2 is very buggy
using LWJGL 3 can fix A LOT of problems
also 20-60% fps increase / Raw mouse input / Improved keyboard mapping
and that not impossible
there are mods can do this thing
also labymod 4 now uses LWJGL 3

[edgy plover]

duplicate and they probably cba to do it

[tiny beacon]

1.8.9 Version with LWJGL 3 (20-60% fps increase)

[terse pelican]

@tiny beacon Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

[dawn snow]

also labymod 4 now uses LWJGL 3

Use labymod?

[terse pelican]

Telling people use other stuff isn't very helpful, I'd much rather listen to the feedback and hopefully get that implemented so people can enjoy the client

[dawn snow]

LWJGL = Lightweight Java Game Library

[terse pelican]

Yeah I understand what that is but I'm trying to find out if it actually had any significant impact to performance as OP claims, like a comparison

(also all those issues were already fixed for our custom LWJGL 2 build)

[tiny beacon]

it's a little improvement but maybe it makes difference for some

[tiny beacon]

fact: i made this suggestion bc i am having an issue with lwjgl 2 which is fixed on lwjgl 3
whenever i turn the game fullscreen the game crashes

on newer versions that uses lwjgl 3 the game dont crash

[lone gust]

No evidence should be needed, its without a doubt that a newer version of something (LWJGL in this case) will have benefits, huge or not. But with LWJGL 3 compared to LWJGL 2 it can fix some major game breaking bugs for some people (mainly linux/mac users, but windows users can also benefit)

[terse pelican]

I'm asking because updating to version 3 is not a small update by any measure and will take a long time

if it's not a big enough difference to justify all the development + qa time then an update is not necessary

we've dealt with LWJGL updates in the past, not fun

[terse pelican]

thanks

[terse pelican]

What OS are you on?

[tiny beacon]

windows

[terse pelican]

which one

[tiny beacon]

10/11 i tried all windows versions on the past 4 years and the same problem ;-;

[tiny beacon]

it's a lwjgl 2 issue ig
maybe we can implement the new fullscreen system on lwjgl 3 to lwjgl 2 wont be that hard?

[terse pelican]

You should #📩︱create-ticket and send your logs, this doesn't happen to most people

[tiny beacon]

i opened a ticket 3 hours ago
i hope the team help me

[terse pelican]

I hope so

I'll forward the suggestion regardless, will keep the thread open a bit more for more discussion if people want

[lone gust]

Good point, so another way of fixing these issues is to make mods that fix, two examples would be:

1. Raw Input - Bypasses Windows' dault input processing system for lower input delay and most consistent mouse movement
2. MCKeyboardFix - Fixes a bug that Linux users might encounter an issue where the
   "Shift-2" and "Shift-6" key combinations are not working

I know raw input has been suggested a lot, and its honestly quite easy to implement so I hope its added at some point

[terse pelican]

Pretty sure the latter has already been implemented, raw mouse input was planned at some point iirc

if you really need it right now then you can turn it off from your OS' settings

[lone gust]

? you can't disable window's default input processing system

afaik ofc

maybe there is some more hacky way to do it that im unaware of

[terse pelican]

it's just labelled "Mouse Acceleration", no hacky way needed just a toggle in the pointer options

on Windows that is

[lone gust]

thats not the only thing raw input does, I already have that disabled

raw input lowers input delay and fixes a bug that happens to (some) people where their crosshair movement is really jittery

[terse pelican]

input delay has already been fixed, jittery crosshair movement is usually caused due to you have something like a video playing in the background (but not minimized, as in the window is running right behind lunar client's window)

cpu usage spiking could also cause that

either way, the two are very different things. perhaps you're referring to a different mod can you link the one you're talking about?

[lone gust]

I can't prove input delay because it can be blamed on so many other things, but here is an example of the mouse jittering (its not a result of cpu spiking) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v4zMOQ-sSU

The video basically goes on how he has been dealing with the bug for ages, and the fix, but that fix doesn't work for everyone (including me)

the fix is lowering mouse polling rate, but even when mine is at the lowest (125hz) it still jitters slightly on lunar client, but if I use forge with raw input this never happens

[rich token]

using raw input on any client has always fixed the jittery crosshair for me, otherwise if i tab into another app i have to manually minimize it every time rather than just alt-tabbing to lunar, its a small change but incredibly helpful

[terse pelican]

Just finished watching the video, I see what you guys mean

[lone gust]

Yea it's unplayable for people who have to deal with it

[terse pelican]

I'd imagine so

The performance he showcased seemed too extreme though, I have a much worse computer and don't have that bad performance

Testing it out on my PC right now

[lone gust]

Not everyone runs into this bug from what I've seen, and I'm not too sure why despite testing it out a handful of times.

[terse pelican]

Not seeing much of a difference but I'll bump it up to the devs

[lone gust]

Thanks 🙏

[ivory viper]

Tbh man it does

I have seen a lot of people in #📋︱community-support has the same issue