#Spam Emojies in job board/way to report emojies spam

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topaz valve
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Hello, everyone? I would want to let you know that some random individuals are spamming weird emojis to promote hatred against all artists, therefore I want all of you to support it so we can have emojis blocked on the job board so these people can't spread hate via emojis. That is all I want to say. Thanks

noble marsh
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neat python
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prisma granite
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Just want to put my thoughts out there, but the job board has seemingly just turned into a place for people to resell code they've made from a tutorial or code they've taken from somewhere else.
Most, if not all, the recent posts are nearly the same post - advertising the same few code snippets they've found online. Supreme made a good example posting the link to pretty much all the programs people are reselling.
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Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of the people I see post frequently in the job board, I see frequently in the UEFN advice or creative advice channels, asking for help with things that they are obviously being paid to do, showing just a pure lack of experience and showing they're not the greatest person to hire for a job.

Both of these will lead to downvotes and bad responses from the general community, which come through emojis on the job board posts. Its not hate, its more or less a signal to show other creators and potential employers that they're not a good option, and that there are better options out there. Disabling emojis in the Job Board would lead to a system where its really hard to filter out resellers from people who create high quality code/maps.

topaz valve
# prisma granite Just want to put my thoughts out there, but the job board has seemingly just tur...

but there is a thing if u are sending a scam emojie then u must have a proof or there should be a way to report the emojies i am saying we need a way to report this bcz we are able to report the messages but not emojies so maybe add a way to report it or just disable the emojies they can send vote_up vote_down but instead people are sending scammer or scam thingy that doesnot make sense and its a direct hate towards someone if u dont really have any proof

burnt hawk
neat python
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All valid points, there is nuance, but there is clear exploit happening. I think a moderation system is certainly due to some degree:
I wonder if converting the channel into a Forum channel would be helpful:

  • Where each job hire/seeking inquiry can be seen clearly and already has a thread natively already for ongoing discussions for a potential deal.
  • Equally a forum channel for reporting where each report can be seen by both mods and the community
graceful minnow
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wet moon
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I agree to make it a forum. It might be good to create a culture or rule that is not judged by the surface part such as stamps.

topaz valve
daring geode
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I agree that reaction emojis should be disabled since they are causing harmless people's reputations to suffer for no apparent reason.

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If they suspect someone of scamming, they should create a complaint channel where they may report the scammer and get an automatic ban.

potent sandal
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This is just pure stupidity this guy Phantom is here trying to hustle and you all are using emojis as away to determine a persons legitimacy what a shame to be in a discord server like this. You can have people impersonating and trying to destroy another persons reputation by creating alts and destroying their future by some stupid emojis. Hilarious you goofs should really step ur game up.

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gilded swan
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foggy arch
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Why is everyone typing V?

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Also, I saw the emojis apparently someone was calling out a scammer? But I think instead of blocking emojis we should be able to somehow report that someone who is posting in job board is a scammer, maybe via the bot idk?

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But I’m not sure if the mods consider things happening outside of the sevrer

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Honestly I feel like people shouldn’t be promoting services here at all, not even in job board. It opens the door up to a lot of scammers which are hard to catch

tight siren
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topaz valve
karmic carbon
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and if a person really has faced a scam u can just msg a admin with the issue anmd get the person banned its pretty simple

topaz valve
karmic carbon
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it should be a fair side of the story

karmic carbon
stable horizon
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Personally I think they should remove the job board. There is no guarantee of any honesty/quality of work and I think it opens epic up to difficulty if someone gets scammed through there.

karmic carbon
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thats just small minded oppinion

stable horizon
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People shouldn't be selling stuff which is freely available or taking commissions for work they don't know how to complete

karmic carbon
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SO MAKING THUMBNAILS IS FREELY AVAILABLE

stable horizon
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karmic carbon
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WHAT ARE U SAYING MY GUY

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PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SET UP THERE MAPS

stable horizon
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People are selling themselves as expert map creators who have never made a map before

karmic carbon
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AND IF THEY TEND TO FIND A THUYMBNAIL MAKER THEY CAN DROP IT IN THE JOB BOARD

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EVERYONE IS NOTTTTT AAAAAAAAAAA DEVELOPER HERE

stable horizon
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Thumbnails are different, I have to hire someone because I don't have the skill myself but because of the scammers in job board not a chance I'd find a designer from there

karmic carbon
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THATS ju7st a personal oppinon

stable horizon
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Well so is yours

karmic carbon
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how?

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your just bringing up one point

stable horizon
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You have your opinion and I have mine

karmic carbon
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u need to valid youyr point home boy

stable horizon
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My point is there are people selling maps in the job board who do not have the skill to make them

karmic carbon
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there are managers thumbnail designers coders video editors 3d model makers content creators

stable horizon
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Reselling free code

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Yes all those things and a lot of scammers too

karmic carbon
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and for just that point u want the jopb board to be removed?

karmic carbon
stable horizon
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Yep, I don't think this is the place for it. It wasn't designed to sell your services.

karmic carbon
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SO A MAP CAN BE PUBLISHED WITHOUT A THUMBNAIL?

stable horizon
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And being offensive for no reason

karmic carbon
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HOW

stable horizon
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Did I say a map could be published without a thumbnail?

karmic carbon
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YOUR SAYING ITS NOT THE PLACE FOR GFX I AM COMING WITH A COUNTER QUESTION

stable horizon
karmic carbon
stable horizon
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Where did I write gfx?

karmic carbon
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GFX IS A SERVICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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THERE IS NOT ONLY DEVELOPMENT IN HERE MY GUY

stable horizon
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I think the server rules are pretty clear.

No advertising, self-promotion or solicitation of any kind...

prime adder
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😳

stable horizon
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Job board was meant to be about finding people to collab with

karmic carbon
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sharing portfolio

stable horizon
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No advertising, self-promotion or solicitation of any kind...

That's pretty clear

karmic carbon
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ok i have one question

stable horizon
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Most of the posts aren't doing that

karmic carbon
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correct

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i agree with that

stable horizon
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They're outright selling services and also selling code they got for free

karmic carbon
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correct

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agreed

stable horizon
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So why the hostility?

karmic carbon
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your right about that

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i dont want the job board to get removed for this reason tho

stable horizon
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I just want the scammers off it

karmic carbon
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corfrect

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agreed

stable horizon
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But this post is specifically asking for scammers to be given free reign with no way for the community to indicate it

karmic carbon
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it provides me a income

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prime adder
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i am pretty new tho discord and this server where do i ask quastions?

stable horizon
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It hurts genuine providers because I would not buy a service from anyone in job board because of all the scammers

topaz valve
karmic carbon
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because opf the scammers people have stoped buying thumbnails 😭

stable horizon
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It happens with thumbs too. People were selling other people's thumbnails in there.

karmic carbon
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trust should be a basic manner in the job board

karmic carbon
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but people like me who actually spend time making client thumbnails face the issues

stable horizon
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I agree but if anyone ever asks me for a thumbnail artist I tell them to look on twitter

topaz valve
# stable horizon But this post is specifically asking for scammers to be given free reign with no...

We are asking to remove the emojie as these people are sending scammer emojie to everyone . Wit proof u can identify a scammer or by reporting or something but these people are spamming emojies that are not reportable we need a way to report these emojies or just simply disable it in the job board or make a form where u can make a form and if someone is intrested he will ask u there so it’s a better way to communicate

stable horizon
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I've seen people claim to be expert verse coders who have never coded anything

karmic carbon
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there should be a better way out

stable horizon
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I do think it will just get removed. Epic don't need the hassle.

topaz valve
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karmic carbon
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and removing it is not a solution i personally will face a huge loss from this

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not just me

topaz valve
karmic carbon
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everyone

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correct

topaz valve
stable horizon
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It's already against the rules to advertise or self promo, doesn't seem to be enforced

karmic carbon
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thats your opinion tho

stable horizon
karmic carbon
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it is allowewd tho

stable horizon
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I think the server rules are pretty clear.

No advertising, self-promotion or solicitation of any kind...

topaz valve
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But I think job board is for collaboration on project or giving services over that as we all saw that people providing services so we did the same

prisma granite
topaz valve
stable horizon
topaz valve
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I said if they have proof of someone scamming there should be a way to report them or if they can’t report it then report the emojies this people are sending or just disable the emojie or make form these things are what I am asking for

stable horizon
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Scamming people by selling free or other people code

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Scamming people by offering to make a map and then asking for help in all the advice channels

topaz valve
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Now it’s on them if u say these then ask the people who promote the codes to not to show the codes that doesnot make sense

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This server is for help then why not take help in advice channel

stable horizon
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Yeah but I'm talking about basic questions

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I need help sometimes

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How do i open uefn? Shouldn't be advertising as an expert map maker in uefn

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stable horizon
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It was never intended for people to sell their services

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If you look at the channel description

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And the server rules

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Just delete it honestly

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And 90% scammers

topaz valve
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Yes that’s it

stable horizon
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I've not been emoji reacting because I don't think that helps. I just find it amusing that this post is because people might get hurt feelings so remove emoji rather than deal with why people are doing that in the first place

topaz valve
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With proof

stable horizon
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Then epic become responsible for judging who is genuine or not

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Huge can of worms

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Just delete it

topaz valve
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From my side I would say the best way is already explained and no need for more explanation thanks

topaz valve
prisma granite
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Adding extra steps such as verification is just not worth it. It puts a ton of stress and work on Epics side for having to deal with this on top of the regular server moderation. They'd have to define what makes a creator good enough to be able to post in there and what constitutes removal from being able to post in the board.
If it is to stay, a forum would be nice as seeing someone's message take up the entire channel is just annoying, but they should just outright remove it if its going to to cause this much drama because of a few reactions.

stable horizon
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The current way will lead to no one buying them from there anyway

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I won't buy any services from job board because of all the scammers. I know a lot of others that feel the same.

prisma granite
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99% of my clients i've worked with contact me outside of the job board lol

topaz valve
stable horizon
scarlet belfry
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but graphic designers are not scammers for example

stable horizon
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Ive seen YouTube thumbnails being sold as original work

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Other maps thumbs

topaz valve
stable horizon
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Honestly the whole thing is just not worth it

prisma granite
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Some outsource the work to others and take the extra, some copy other thumbnails, some use premade png renders and use those instead - its a flawed system currently, the only way around it is to have a solid portfolio

scarlet belfry
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but when the dude has a portfolio its fine

stable horizon
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I just don't trust it, because of how bad it is. I'd much rather go elsewhere to source artists (and regularly do)

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Any potential client needs a map making, I don't have time for or don't want to do, I tell them not to use job board

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Make maps for yourself, post about them on socials

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If you can show success it looks better

prisma granite
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Most of my clients either contact me about a map I've made or from word of mouth as they've heard good things about maps I've made for others
IMO seeing someone post constantly in the job board they're looking for work either shows me that they're not providing high enough quality work to pick up jobs or theyre outsourcing work to others to make maps for them and passing it off as their work

stable horizon
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Yeah tbh, although recently I haven't been doing much if any solo work. Just team stuff.

stable horizon
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Hard to start off but just keep making maps, make sure your stuff is good quality and showcase it and you'll find the work

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Thats the other thing with job board. People are super unrealistic

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I want a map made for $20

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Okay - here's a blank grid island

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Verse code wanted for $5

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I tend to do half up front, half on delivery and a %

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Look up what the top verse coders charge, most won't take a job for under $1k

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Varied deals tbh. I like having a %

prisma granite
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Half for small projects, quarters for larger projects and a percent cut for the first few months, never had any problems with that

stable horizon
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But I'll take a lower upfront if I'm having a %

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But how would you feel if you charged someone $500 and they made $10k or $100k

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Commissions are okay but I'm trying to take less and less

topaz valve
stable horizon
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Some of it is definitely that

prisma granite
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at least I got cool screenshots of pinq and some other pros playing it

stable horizon
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Still at least he won't get sued by DC

topaz valve
stable horizon
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Promo helps get a map an initial boost, it won't keep it there

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Some of the top youtubers maps flopped

topaz valve
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Yeah

stable horizon
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10k concurrent was my biggest so far. But a million plays in a week probably best result.

topaz valve
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How about ur plays?

stable horizon
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Erm, hard to say tbh

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I'm at 5m plays but I've never done any sort of IP theft or anything like that which is how the really big numbers happen

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But I can also sleep at night without worrying about lawyers lol

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Nah its died off now

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Was alright that for a one day project 🙂

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Yeah good, but they've been team maps

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Had one flop recently which was annoying because then I saw a very similar one absolutely pop off

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Thumb was bad

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Launching one this evening I hope will do well 🙂

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Practice map

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Yeah

foggy arch
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and also job-board used to be a place to post jobs for people

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like an example

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"looking for a mechanics person to help out with my map"

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that type of stuff

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not "i'm a mechanic person, here are my prices, dm me"

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i mean shane said they will allow it for now not too long ago

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but i think its creating a space for scammers in this case

foggy arch
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its also pretty suspicious that in this forum (where no one usually talks other than like under 10 people) suddenly like 22 people pop out of no where and start upvoting and spamming v?

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unless you yourself is a spammer

foggy arch
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so no one is telling people to upvote and spam v here?

scarlet belfry
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in a forum channel where usually under 10 people use yea

scarlet belfry
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#💬・general-chat message

foggy arch
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ah

prisma granite
foggy arch
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mhm

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I think that job board should be removed entirely (please read my entire thread before deciding if this is a good idea or not) #1203030840418762792 message

foggy arch
potent sandal
# foggy arch Just realized, he’s spamming this on multiple accounts lol

Lets assume its either he's spamming on an alt acct, or its another acct what does it have to do with you? Also do you have enough evidence to back up your claim? Seems like your picking on other ppl I say you mind ur own business and don't get too personal, this is a place for creators to come and improve the server not to have someone like you be petty about a certain someone.

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I don't know what you are trying to get at, like your are honestly being super transparent on what your main target is, all I'm telling you is back off, keep your negative thoughts to ur self and mine ur own business.

foggy arch
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oh i never meant it in a bad or personal way

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just bringing it up, that this entire situation seemed kinda odd

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if im not wrong, one person kept calling x a scammer and then x posted in this channel saying he wanted emojis disabled because he was being called out apparently , But then it seems that x has been doing some suspicions things himself so

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again nothing personal, just something little i noticed and was questioning. And i did also mention some things about why this could / couldn't help out the server

brave terrace
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this guy scammed me and he wants to scam other creators.. can we report people like that somewhere?

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foggy arch
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not really

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so i think job board should be deleted entirely

scarlet belfry
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habibi u scam ppl? @eager valve

eager valve
scarlet belfry
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hmm I see

eager valve
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and i still have his chat when i told you fix the glitches i wont buy it like this

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and he didnt

scarlet belfry
eager valve
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but what is this room for scamming or what lol

scarlet belfry
eager valve
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@brave terrace btw everyone you make the maps for them they wont buy it with this glitches so yeah good luck with that and thank you Hearts flex

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i know whats haram and whats not so keep it for yourself

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bec you dont know whats going on he always do this with ppl not just me

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but thanks

foggy arch
topaz valve
brave terrace
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bro is talking to himself from another account 😂

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not you, this other acc Lyraa 𓂀 thats him also probably

foggy arch
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another reason, we shouldnt have a job-board channel

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too much potential for scammers

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with 0 way of reporting

serene crown
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removing job board isnt a solution as there is already a market for it, if you remove that one, there will be another new one within a day. potential for scammers comes into play for everything especially if its over discord, but if they made it more secure by disabling emoji’s, having applications of some kind, and requiring portfolios, i think it would resolve alot of the issue

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the issue is never really stopping the scammers but combatting them, they are always going to exist no matter the space

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so if better precautions are put in place to make it an overall safer and more professional community, i think it would alleviate alot of this

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if that happens who knows

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i agree with the 0 way of reporting though

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getting in touch with administrators is alr enough of a pain in the ass as it is, so not giving a solid platform to harbor support requests especially when you offer a job section is incredibly irresponsible

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most of these issues seem to stem from poor management

foggy arch
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Well said!

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Although I feel if they aren’t able to do those things, then removing it would be a good idea since ik how they could always market it on other places, but in this official server (that most people trust) and more people use it’s a bigger space for scammers to rise rather than if they made their own platform.

stable horizon
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I still think it's strange the focus is on removing any sort of ability to flag people as scammers rather than dealing with the actual scamming problem

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But the focus of this thread (even the name) is the emojis

topaz valve
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Spam Emojies in job board/way to report emojies spam

serene crown
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unfortunately nothing will happen unless mods genuinely check this which DOUBT

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we'll see

foggy arch
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there is nothing wrong with emojis

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what if someone wanted to use any other emoji? they couldn't

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deal with the scamming problem > removing features that may help with finding scammers

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this servers emoji list is already pretty limited

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but knowing that theese scamming issues atleast exist in #1086018924518330469 i think its safe to say it needs to be deleted (unless ofc they can implement a better system to prevent scammers)

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I know the topic of this channel is primarily removing emojis, but knowing the reason for removing emojis kinda throws it into a bit of a pickle

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No I’m saying there is no evidence saying whether someone is or isn’t a scammer

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And removing the only way for someone to express someone is a scammer is…

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It’s the only way atm*

foggy arch
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Well it was about removing emojis

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Someone mentioned here

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This could be a good solution

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And then the mods could just delete spammed entries?

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I think that would be one of the better solutions

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Would sure prevent a lot of spam / potential scammers

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Because these two threads correlate

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In the sense

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That something needs to be done to job board

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But honestly, removing emojis is not the solution, without better prevention of scams

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That is what I said

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Exactly

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Just now

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I’m saying delete it if these things can’t be done 😭

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It would be a final resort if nothing else works-

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No?

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In my thread as well I mentioned to have something like that as well

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I was even the one who mentioned it here first 😪

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Because the original message of this channel was to get rid of emojis

foggy arch
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In summary

  • prevent people from being misrepresented as scammers
  • prevent scammers from rising / promoting on #1086018924518330469
  • have a better moderation or a better system for job board to prevent scams
  • if none of these things works out (more specifically prevention of scammers) then job board might have to go
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Is that right?

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Cuz this thread is super long, would prob be super hard for Shane to read Through lol

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And the messages are everywhere

foggy arch
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i tested out job board today just to see sort of what it does, and i noticed some people reacted to my post with upvote emojis and stuff, i didnt ask them to or anything but it seems like it could possibly be a good usecase for emojis, being able to reccomend people and that type of stuff

prisma granite
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Extra Job Board feedback, but I think we should either change it to a forum or limit the amount of characters in the postings - having a post take up most of the screen shouldnt be acceptable

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topaz valve
topaz valve
# neat python All valid points, there is nuance, but there is clear exploit happening. I think...

All valid points, there is nuance, but there is clear exploit happening. I think a moderation system is certainly due to some degree:
I wonder if converting the channel into a Forum channel would be helpful:

  • Where each job hire/seeking inquiry can be seen clearly and already has a thread natively already for ongoing discussions for a potential deal.
  • Equally a forum channel for reporting where each report can be seen by both mods and the community
indigo summit
scarlet belfry
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Im not him at all

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false accusations

spring quest
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Working on this! We're working on a better system for Job Board and for upvoting / downvoting for that channel!

topaz valve