GLS Balancing (change to mythic and stat nerfs)

[dire holly]

Health 2000 > 1500 (Kai remains at 2000)
Pop 9 > 12
Giant Dash Cooldown 15 > 30
GLS is now mythic

Turning GLS to a mythic is really the best option I see here since it’s by far the strongest general, and the devs don’t want to nerf it’s stats to much. However, regardless the 3 stats I listed are way to op and need changes. Thoughts?

[untold apex]

All except pop is unacceptable

And there’s no way put it into mythic type

[dire holly]

The dash is so op though… 15 seconds is waaay to short of a cooldown for something that can damage and poison virtually infinite light units, and GLS practically moves more from the dash then a full 15 seconds of walking. -500 hp doesn’t seem that bad either it’s insanely tanky rn, and with giant growth can still reach 2250

[untold apex]

Wait my bad

I mean pop is unacceptable

Not hp or abilities cd

[dire holly]

Why the pop??? I thought that was the most balanced one

[dire holly]

It’s legit less the a giant rn 💀

[untold apex]

If GLS hp went to 1.5 or 1.6k, then his pop become 10 or 12 would make sense. Also abilities cd more it can limit his power going to threaten your arimes to get sniped

And more HP reduction isn’t bad

[dire holly]

Ig 18 is a bit high I thought double was an easy way to do it (I’ll change my post to 15)

[untold apex]

I would say his pop at most is 13 or else. About kai rider must be 15-17

[dire holly]

I’ll wait for more feedback and maybe change it later

GLS Balancing (change to mytic and stat nerfs)

GLS Balancing (change to mythic and stat nerfs)

[keen igloo]

Turning him into a mythic is not needed and just hurts build variety for no reason.

[dire holly]

Giant growth used to be mythic to (when it was an upgrade) and since the devs want to make money off an op unit I thought it would be another minor nerf to it in deck building. It also creates more strategy for 2v2 (like I bring glacial fletching and my friend brings GLS). I just want it to stop appearing so often and I think it would help.

I would think the ultimate goal of the developers would be to try to make all the units as evenly used as possible, which is just what I’m trying to encourage with this post.

[keen igloo]

But it doesn't make sense what so ever. Your example of "creates more strategy for 2v2" is also just wrong.

Every card has a skill floor and skill ceiling. Every card also has a certain strength. If you want a card to stop appearing so often, you either increase the skill floor, decrease the strength of the card, or do both. Your change already decreases the strength of the card. Making it have the limits of a mythic does nothing but hurt build variety and make the card less viable in certain decks for the reason of limitations instead of strength.

For example (this example may not be the best, but it gets the message across) let's say that Sicklebear, GLS, and Magis are all in a perfectly balanced state. Let's also say that all of these generals have good splash damage. In this example, I would choose the general that best fits the other cards in the deck, but I could choose any of them. Your nerf of making GLS a mythic should not happen, and rather they should just nerf GLS into a balanced state where you choose to not bring him because you want him for his role.

That example might not have been worded properly what so ever, but eh.

The 2v2 claim doesn't make sense either. If the GLS player wants to bring Glacial Fletching, let them bring Glacial Fletching. You can still have that extra planning with a teammate where they bring Glacial and you bring something else (another mythic, a spell, etc).

[dire holly]

I just felt that since most other generals have more of a specialty that they are good at, while GLS does everything well that it needed the nerf. You're right, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I was just trying to think of different ways to nerf it somehow.

[mental mesa]

Why even mythic

[cerulean zephyr]

Making it a mythic Enchantment on GLS might allow users to spam archers, but doing so at the last minute before sudden death could be problematic, either because it causes issues at the last minute, or because making it a mythic Enchantment wouldn't be possible. With GLS, we can nerf it and not make it a mythic Enchantment

In other words, whether we upgrade with Temple level 1 or wait until it appears, it could be a bit problematic if it happens to appear in the last few minutes before sudden death begins.

But it could be balance changes with GLS, replacing his primary ability

Replace with an ability that belongs to some giants or apply Giant Fury, like the "Giant Dash" ability or another ability or whatever.

But with mythical enchantment

It might be a little bad for the game🤏

[fallen jackal]

I never have a problem shredding GlS hp so I say leave it the same, I don’t mind any other changes tho just not hp, especially for the poor Kai riders who I shred to the ground

[dire holly]

Well the problem rn is if players with about the same skill at the game fight, if one has GLS and the other doesn’t then the GLS guy almost always wins. The hp is just way to high if managed by a competent player, so if it were to stay the same cost and pop would prob have to go up instead.

[hard zephyr]

Good luck trying to convince this guy that GLS is too tanky

[dire holly]

Think about it this way. Let’s say GLS survives 60 seconds and takes another 30 to walk back to base and 30 to respawn. That’s 2000 hp/120 sec. If you were to make speartons, you could make about 7 in that time with a totally of 3150 hp, but you have to pay for the speartons while GLS is free, and they take way more pop. GLS also benefits from giant growth.

[hard zephyr]

You can't convince errorking that 2K base HP is too much

[dire holly]

Yeah your prob right but I made the post so I feel obligated to respond somehow

[hard zephyr]

Fair enough

Anyway this is an overnerf ngl

The HP and cooldown changes are needed, but 15 pop feels a bit too much and changing him to a mythic is too far

[dire holly]

I don’t really think so, GLS has 2 powerful abilities getting virtually infinite targets and the highest base hp in the game. That needs to have big restrictions

[hard zephyr]

15 pop is an insane amount + mythics would restrict him too much

And you already gave him the needed nerfs

[dire holly]

Yeah you’re not the only person to complain I made it to high… how much do you think it should be, then?

[hard zephyr]

12 pop and don't make him a mythic

[dire holly]

I thought mythic helped bc you have a weaker early game ( no ice/ fire arrows, lifesteal, etc.) and you can’t take vault but 12 pop is def reasonable

Ig I’ll change it in the original post as almost everyone says I set pop to high, thanks for the feedback everyone

[untold apex]

You can check my post https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1475961682617569372 about sightless nerfs

You might think it’s proper

[dire holly]

Yeah I can tell you put a lot more work in your post the me, and you def made some good points (I went ahead and upvoted it)

I just personally like the idea of it being mythic however

[fallen jackal]

It’s not really GLS I care about its Kai rider, every nerf hits Kai rider harder than it does GLS

I mean be honest, how many Kai’s do you see compared to GLS?

The best thing Kai got going is his health and alpha quake take away his hp, then it’s way better to use GLS than him

Since you can get GLS back instantly, but you got to wait For Kai to die before you can get Kai rider back, and people will leave you alive just so you’re heavily nerfed