Units upgrade issues

[crude stratus]

Why do I have to strengthen these units with enchantment when I use them, and why can't I use them without upgrading? The solution I came up with is to reduce the bonuses and improve them without upgrading.

Giant problem :
The giant is completely different from a enslaved giant, it is useless without a monstrosity.
Giant health : 1200
Monstrosity : 10% lvl 1, 20% lvl 2
Armory upgrade : 10% lvl 1, 20% lvl 2
The giant's size increases when upgrading armory, not monstrosity

Magikill problem :
The problem with using it without enchantment is that it's just expensive.
Magikill cost : 300 gold, 350 mana
Brilliance - magical units cost : 10%

Toxic deads problem :
The Toxic Dead is a durable unit and defeats quickly without rune of reanimation, and if we look at its enchantment, players often use it with Toxic Perfection and other Chaos units to turn enemy units into dead ones.
Toxic dead health : 250
Rune of reanimation - deads health : +10%

[errant osprey]

Why does RoR only buff toxic dead health

What happened to buffing all deads

[crude stratus]

It's a nerf, I increased the health of the tdead and reduced the extra health that all deads get by 10% to be able to use the tdead without ROR

[errant osprey]

Then why does it say "toxic dead health: 10%"

Just say RoR - 10%

I think the entire purpose of this is to make enchants be usable without having to upgrade them?

Or do you want the base units to be stronger so they don't have to rely more on the enchants/upgrades

Also enchants and upgrades should be diffirent

Idk why CJ merged them to be one

[latent field]

Good idea, bad execution

[crude stratus]

Seriously, do you have a better execution than this?

[errant osprey]

Stat balance changes are probably not good

Or the way you just completely changed unit stats just for the upgrade instead of primarily changing the upgrade itself

[latent field]

For giants: make their attack speed consistent and give them their own queue, nerf HP down to 1K, and remove the +1 AOE from monstrosity

For magikill, just give them more movement speed and HP so that they'll have some damn survivability, and remove brilliance magis cost boost and nerf/rework mana burst, their cost is fine rn, they just don't have enough survivability

For tdeads, just remove the RoR HP boost and buff their attack speed to something reasonable, that's seriously all they need

Raw giants aren't tanks, they're siege machines

Magikill are really only expensive because they keep dying so damn much

And tdeads just have bad DPS rn, everything else about them is fine

Actually tdead HP might need a slight nerf if they get good DPS

[latent field]

It's not that

[latent field]

As 84436 said (roughly), damage dealers that just so happen to have a lot of HP

This is seen much better with egiants

You're not going to use egiants as tanks, you're going to use them for damage

[celest stratus]

The giant argument I didn't agree with, if you nerf it HP by 100 HP. You must use monstrosity to offset that weakness as 1K hp giant will die extremely quickly against a projectile swarm. They already have their own queue if you maxed out monstrosity. And +1 AOE barely makes plays in the game and I don't know why you want to remove it.

I don't like removing enchantments or their other property as they will cause unfortunate side effects to other units.
Removing the magic cost boost will make Magis and Marrowkai worse as there is no way to decrease that cost. And it nerfed the enchantment to situational unuseful, the upgrade cost at Lv.1 have received a cost buff in recent patch with it reducing to 200 instead of 300. This reduces the reason for using the brilliance main function, the Lv.1 upgrade is more important than the Lv.2 upgrade.

[celest stratus]

Again, I don't like removing the enchantment other property. This nerf Marrowkai, the basic dead and the summoned dead as a whole. Marrowkai likes that extra HP and the dead want that to help meat shielding.

[celest stratus]

So here are my suggestions:
You don't need to nerf the tier 1 armory upgrade, just nerf tier 1 monstrosity to just 5 %

(Completely optional)
Also buffing enslaved giants by 25 HP, if chaos giants get a health buff, it will be strange that enslaved giants do not get the same. And the hp buff barely changes anything.

Magikill, I have no idea how to fix it.

For Toxic Deads: keep the HP buff, but change RoR to have separate health bonus based on what dead it is boosting.
Light Dead - 20% health bonus
Heavy Dead - 10% health

And a buff to toxic dead DPS.
Damage (buff): 9🗡️(17H) to 10🗡️(17H)
DPS (buff): 3.6 DPS to 5 DPS

[bleak sphinx]

Leave giants alone

The only giant problem rn is their AI being the most abusable

Im fine with making their hp back to 1000

[bleak sphinx]

Im fine with the hp change, but maybe add something to make up for the +1 aoe removal?

like slightly bigger hitbox and bigger size for lvl 2 to block projectiles a bit better to protect backline

[latent field]

I decreased their HP because I gave them more damage output and their own queue, I turned them into siege machines, raw giants aren't meant to be used as tanks

And I removed the +1 AOE because 1: I already gave them better damage output, 2: monstrosity is an enchantment to turn them into tanks, adding even more damage on top of that is overkill, and 3: the +1 AOE only helps against matchups where the cgiants win, why fck over those strats even more?

[latent field]

Marrowkai and the normal deads don't need that HP boost + 20% extra HP for free is too much