Sharpened Blades

[devout fern]

Sounds like it would be fun

[past valley]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-stare-at-paper-gif-5257839294650729742

[bold wolf]

Why is it so expensive

[past valley]

these aint glasscannons anymore

these are sandcannons

[bold wolf]

Wait why is the HP boost written with an -?

[past valley]

because they get less hp

[bold wolf]

HP increased

[past valley]

they badly cut themselves with their own weapons fr

[past valley]

-25% hp increase is a 25% hp reduction

[bold wolf]

Why are shadowrath excluded :<

[past valley]

ah yes
spammable generals

[bold wolf]

It'll be so absurdly expensive that not even vault shadowripp will use it tho lol

[past valley]

actually

[bold wolf]

And the training time nerf too

[past valley]

it means increase of hp

idfk why that minus is there

because increase is also mentioned in the others

and I dont think he wants free sickles

[restive wagon]

oops

typo

mb

[restive wagon]

shadowrath are excluded because shadowrath are late game units.

they dont need to be converted to late game units if they are already late game

plus the percentages would absolutly make shadows shred

[mighty breach]

The training speed increase is insane

Swords go from 11 second training time to 20 seconds

That's the same as magikills

[restive wagon]

womp womp

you complain too much

[mighty breach]

This just proves that you don't deserve getting your ideas reviewed

[restive wagon]

🖕 bring your constructive critisism next time and maybe ill actully care about what your saying.

[mighty breach]

The only real drawback here is the training speed

[bold wolf]

Cost efficiency

The cost efficiency with this is sht too

[mighty breach]

I'll learn that once I become a stick war fanatic

[restive wagon]

ok, what should i change about that?

[mighty breach]

For now I'm just gonna do the basics

[mighty breach]

Imo swords need more survivability

Their damage is alr rn

[restive wagon]

please dont call my post sht, its rude, and it doesnt acomplish anything.

[mighty breach]

So the damage increase should be kind of lowered, health increase is fine, movement speed increase I'm not too sure

[bold wolf]

I wasn't calling the post sht, I called the cost efficiency of sickles and swords using this enchantment sht

There is a difference

[mighty breach]

But in exchange to all of these the cost increase and training time should be lowered

[restive wagon]

it does trade the early game factor of swordwrath for a better quality swordwrath

and sickles

[mighty breach]

They're still easily achievable or spammable eg in terms of cost

[restive wagon]

so should i increase time?

[bold wolf]

250 cost swords:

150 cost sickles:

[mighty breach]

Archidons cost 300 and I can spam them in eg

[bold wolf]

No you can't

[mighty breach]

Yes I can

Miner hustle

[bold wolf]

Also archers are ranged, they can avoid damage much better than every other eg unit

[mighty breach]

Also the buffs they get pay for that cost increase imo

[bold wolf]

Sword and sickles are melee, they'll always be taking damage in a battle

Anyway this is unbalanced in 2 ways

[mighty breach]

Sickles get 7.5 damage with 10.5 damage against light

You can increase it further with forge too

[bold wolf]

1. Cost and training efficiency is too low
2. Pop efficiency is too high

[mighty breach]

Also at school rn so I can't review too much

[bold wolf]

This fundamentally changes swords and sickles into basically different units

While the gameplay remains relatively the same (tbh every deck is somewhat similar in gameplay depending on the archetype)

The units stats are completely changed into something different

[tawny pewter]

meh idk tbh

dont think even with these buffs they gonna be usefull after early game

[restive wagon]

i think differently,

[bold wolf]

(swords will have DPS on par with max fixate shadows)

[restive wagon]

wait what

oh yeah

[tawny pewter]

they still gonna die to like 5 arrows

[restive wagon]

its because they average about 18 damage heavy every second

[restive wagon]

thats where units like rips come in

i must go.

[bold wolf]

It's going to take 8 arrows to kill one sword which is why you should use tanks

With ripps, swords ain't dying much

[restive wagon]

agreed

should i make this strictly for swordwrath since sickles keep getting buffed?

[restive wagon]

new unit card

sicklewrath have been exluded

[mighty breach]

Makes sense

[restive wagon]

sicklewrath are far too powerfull rn for this card

they would be zooming

[restive wagon]

thank you waterbug

[vestal creek]

What's with the cost and training time increase?

they'd be 250g and 20s training

[mighty breach]

Can't have buffed swords running around at early game

[vestal creek]

Id rather getva spearton at this point

swordwraths are supposed to be early game but I wouldnt be able to get 4 swordwraths in 1 min 🙏

[mighty breach]

Ig this guy wants them to be late game viable

[vestal creek]

They aint surviving the ACTUAL mid-late game units

not worth to train them

I feel like I became a redditor by using these upvote and downvote emojis

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[mighty breach]

12 (19.5H) damage swords

With their current attack speed

It's 10.3 dps

With the attack speed buff it's now

11.5

They also have 106.25 health now too

[vestal creek]

They have health buffs?

I didnt notice that

[mighty breach]

50%

[pure ibex]

So the cost is now 250
The training time is like 11 seconds on top of the base training time
50% of 8 is 4 and even if you're counting in the anti heavy for the damage boost it's a +3 for the anti heavy and +4 for base damage
Attack speed increase is ok
25% hp bonus is...21
So for making a single sword take longer to train than a spearton and making the price double...
You get +21 hp
+7 damage at the very best
A small attack speed boost

Not worth the slot and not worth the time

[restive wagon]

not nessisairly

[pure ibex]

The training time is the worst stat
Having to wait 20 seconds for a slightly buffed sword is not worth it
Just reduce the training time debuff and give them a bit more stats to justify the cost increase

[mighty breach]

They're still 3 pop units

Training time buff is needed

But the cost imo is too weak for the buff it gets

[pure ibex]

+21 hp
+3 damage
And a slight attack speed buff

I would probably round out the health buff to 25
The damage buff to 5
And instead of the attack speed buff I would give them faster movement speed or a massive cooldown reduction to leap like 50% maybe

[mighty breach]

It's +4 damage

[pure ibex]

+4?

Huh....
That makes them on par with spears on term of damage
Actually they would have better dps

[mighty breach]

+4 for the base damage, I forgot that bonus heavy damage is diffirent now but it's +3.5 more heavy damage (miscalculated)
So now their damage is
12 (15.5H)

[mighty breach]

I'm pretty sure 3.5 would get rounded off to 4 so it's 16H

[pure ibex]

Yeah that's pretty good damage

[mighty breach]

Their attack speed before is uhh

[pure ibex]

1.5?

[mighty breach]

No I think

[pure ibex]

1.75?
I don't know anymore

[mighty breach]

1.158

[mighty breach]

With current damage their dps becomes 10.3 | 13.3 H

With the Aspd buff it's Aspd jumps to 11.5 | 14.8H

[restive wagon]

no

its balanced as is

[sharp urchin]

It is balance and meant to be for Mid game defence

[restive wagon]

yes

[limpid harness]

Is this any enchant to increase dmg of sikle and sword?

[vestal creek]

how does this have 17 likes

[bold wolf]

It sounds fun ig

[vestal creek]

in the big 25?

[restive wagon]

it was

its just for swords now

[sharp urchin]

Uhmmm lemme fix.
+120 increase cost train for Swordwrath and Sicklewrath. (Nerfed)
+100% increase training speed and 30% increase for others units. (Nerfed)
+15% attack speed deceased for Swordwrath and Sicklewrath (Buffed)
+50% damage increase for Swordwrath and Sicklewrath. (Buffed)

Damage level 1 (Now Cost 400 instead of 200) , now increase damage by 60% and attackrate by 20%.
Damage level 2 (Now cost 750 instead of 600) , Now increase damage by 75% and Attackrate by 25%.

[sharp urchin]

@restive wagon

[restive wagon]

sicklewrath are no longer affected

bc of the massive amounts of buffs they have gotten

[sharp urchin]

Then lemme change

[restive wagon]

woah

22second training speed increase

too much 🤮

[sharp urchin]

Idk man

You fix it

[restive wagon]

the first nerf is fine

275 sounds fine

[sharp urchin]

I just gave my idea to you

[restive wagon]

done

[restive wagon]

top tp

[twin fulcrum]

Hey is not bad

Is a good idea

[restive wagon]

thanks

[sharp urchin]

Why not Sicklewrath, if there is sword and sickle cross together?

[mighty breach]

It originally affected sickles but they changed it cause it's too OP

[sharp urchin]

Then make Sicklewrath cost more

Cuz yes

[mighty breach]

It was still too strong

[sharp urchin]

That's why, we need uhm

Splash damage doesn't affect with the buff

[restive wagon]

that then defeats the purpose of sickles

[limpid harness]

Hello again can this enchantment work on minion?(Minion is unit spawned by magikill)

[restive wagon]

no

its a swordwrath exlusive card

minions might get their own fan card though

tp to top

[urban urchin]

Fun idea = bad balancing

Extremely poor cost efficiency and training time efficiency

Just ditch sword and use shadow atp

Or

||magikill spam||

20 DPS on tank sounds powerful but when u see the 25s training time

It just disappointing

Considering that sword strength coming from being dirt cheap + spammable in eg

Letting them out scale most deck in mid game(not counting direct counter like sickle or magikill)

Also wth 275g

And 25s

Overpaying for a worse shadowrath

[restive wagon]

unlike shadowrath, swordwrath rely on numbers

this card balances itself by allowing you to put more risk into your gameplay for a greater reward.

tp to top

look in pinned messages to view the new enchantment card design

[limpid harness]

What upgrade this enchant needs?

Armory or Forge?

If this increases ATK speed, HP and TM

Then change the whole name and icon

because of name and icon seems like it's for just increasing DMG

[restive wagon]

it activates automatically, but forge and armory do intensify this cards powers

[limpid harness]

Does the size of sword inscreases?

[restive wagon]

im not sure i understand the last part

[restive wagon]

yes, cosmetically

[limpid harness]

Then it should not have bug like enchanted spikes

It losses it's skin

It should support projectiles' mythics

[restive wagon]

that isnt the point of the card

[proud crest]

I believe they meant something similar to enhanced pike

At temple 2 ranged mythics will be applied for these melee units

[restive wagon]

maybe

[limpid harness]

That's what I am saying😏

[restive wagon]

its a small maybe, but i dont think its a bad idea

[urban urchin]

ure essentially invest into a unit that get killed by AoE general

or unit

shadow has better value bc they're versaltile in what they can do

even sounding insanely Pop effiency it cant stand a chance against most late game comp

[mighty breach]

Oh right I forgot he removed sickles in this idea

[restive wagon]

shadows dont invest in heavy units

shadows have different tactics

swordwrath are entirely swarm based

you cannot link the playstyle

and its not the point

and i think you underestimate swordwrath

[urban urchin]

Shadow ARE DPS machine

[restive wagon]

all dps units are dps units

[urban urchin]

Not having +H doesn't mean anything to them

[urban urchin]

DPS machine is different from DPS unit

Shadow has the highest DPS among all none general unit

[restive wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-ok-and-gif-21608135

shadows are designed to kill swarms/ high priority targets

[urban urchin]

The tatic is literally just set attack button and occasionally screw over enemy backline with double parry

[restive wagon]

swordwrath are made to swarm rush and outnumber

[urban urchin]

Or use it to target squishy light unit near the frontline

[restive wagon]

may i ask what rank you are

[urban urchin]

2700

[restive wagon]

proof?

actually no it doesnt matter, this post inn't about what it cant do

if it was

then why do we have pike

shadows out dps it

why do we have miner upgrade

bastion does it

are you seeing a trend?

[restive wagon]

and also you cant ask me to make a unit more powerfull than shadowrath and not get critacized for oping an idea

[urban urchin]

And ur point?

Ur card literally make them sub variant to shadow with worse efficient

That require Xiphos or Thera to get more value

[restive wagon]

this is how swordwrath already work

anyways thats not the point

its a selfbalancing card

shadows dont know the word balance

[urban urchin]

U delete the whole point of being an early game snowball machine and transform it into a mid game DPS wise

[restive wagon]

its a trade off

risk=greater reward

[urban urchin]

Again just a worse version of shadow

U gonna play just like shadowrip bc u can't invest in any early sword

Without bankrupting

[restive wagon]

shadows have a different playstyle, useful for assassination units, distraction, and changing gameplay via the individual uc shadow (not including shadowspam which is )

Swordwrath find incredible strength in vast numbers, and because of their ai, can temporarly disable a unit (auto swordjump)
everything about swordwrath screams swarming.

This card doesnt really change anything about the gameplay of swordwrath, exept for the fact that every swordwrath counts. (plus ss refunds increase)

if you conserve enough swordwrath, you will get a powerfull horde

[urban urchin]

Swordwrath here are more squishy than shadow

[restive wagon]

[urban urchin]

A fucking wrathnar, Archie or Sicklebear can insta kill them

And force u to play extremely defensive with sword in order not to waste

Whole minute of training them

[sturdy ocean]

guys checkout my new commander general i just posted, i think you guys might like it

[restive wagon]

this card isnt made to counter counters

[restive wagon]

if you dont like it, dont use it

[urban urchin]

What I am saying is that ur card is pointless since not only it consume one card slot

[restive wagon]

simple

[urban urchin]

BUT

The same time making sword worse

[restive wagon]

i bet you havent played swordwrath as your main for one year

[urban urchin]

https://youtu.be/bU1LvPMpk7c?si=Fu184AZxPtyQ2_0C

👎

Ur bet was false

[restive wagon]

this is my expertise, and its sounds like your just whining that my card doenst just turn

[urban urchin]

Gimme money now

[restive wagon]

magispam is mage main

[urban urchin]

U need sword to cap tower and eg pressure

[restive wagon]

i ran pure swordwrath with spears

[urban urchin]

Magi only stall the tower in late game

U can just asked Kroiz how exactly it played

If u don't believe my word

[urban urchin]

Too bad I'm at least decent in every decks/archetype

[restive wagon]

bro is really tryna rage bait

[urban urchin]

No that's a fact lol

[restive wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-ok-and-gif-21608135

[urban urchin]

That's mean for whatever u're on I know dang well u're doing it wrong

[restive wagon]

blud thinks meta abuse gets him 200 iq

[urban urchin]

I know that swords are early game snowball machine for their spamability

[urban urchin]

I created my own meta twice

[restive wagon]

.

its still meta abuse

[urban urchin]

Kinda funny how u try to use the gif as a way to mock me after I defend my point

[urban urchin]

Describe meta abuse

That just made any top 10 on history a meta abuse even if they created it

[restive wagon]

get the fuck out of my post

[urban urchin]

False

That is not the correct answer

[restive wagon]

come back when you have something that is actually constructive to say

[urban urchin]

I already said that ur idea is horrendous and it just completely change swordwrath identity

Into a worse shadow

And consuming 2 cards slot

[restive wagon]

thats not constructive

[urban urchin]

U don't even try to fix ur card stat

The 20s training time is so terrible for a spammable unit

For the stat is just super underwhelming for the waiting time. The only thing saving it is the low 3 pop

[restive wagon]

your vote doesnt matter to me

vote how you want.

[urban urchin]

The fact that ur vote doesn't have fig approval already say something

[urban urchin]

It's been the same for 2 weeks

[restive wagon]

cyrus changed his vote.

just fyi

and im waiting for someone who actually gives me advice instead of saying " its bad and you should delete it"

[urban urchin]

Whatever it is ur post just hurt my swordrip main heart

[urban urchin]

.

[restive wagon]

thats not advice

[urban urchin]

If u can't take the hint that u should balanced the training time

[urban urchin]

An advice is not abt telling u how to do things with statistics

I'm only gonna tell u what part u fucked up and need fixing

[mighty breach]

We've already criticized this post

What more can you ask for

[restive wagon]

ive added the stats you suggested, i think

do you have anything else to add?

[mighty breach]

Not at the moment

[restive wagon]

ok, if you do let me know.

[mighty breach]

When stuff gets extreme in the game's balancing then maybe

[spark bluff]

This stuff crazy op

The training speed is -85

And since increase rates arent multiplied but straught added at barracks one it’s a instant train

Oh why are you putting a minus for training speed that suggest it’s lowered not increased

You should put them under two “pros” and “cons” lists

And include the normal percentage changes

Ok under that assumption though

It’s a little weird

I like the idea of it being a more late game version of the units but I’ll be real this is kind of a straught buff

One of the whole advantages of these units is you can almost always have one building and this doesn’t change that despite the crazy buffs it has, so this would be a little insane early game

Maybe lock it behind forge 1? Just a thought

[bold wolf]

It's a 85% speed nerf

[proud crest]

negative training speed increase

a negative increase is also known as a decrease

training speed decrease

it should have said +85% training time

that's like 9 seconds extra i believe

[restive wagon]

its a nerf silly

[spark bluff]

Well I’m assuming nerfed too 85 then? Because a straught -85 makes zero sense

[restive wagon]

its an 85% training speed nerf

yes

[spark bluff]

That only about a second or two so that fair

[restive wagon]

you sacrifice production rates for unit quality

[restive wagon]

that adds time onto the training cost

each unit will take 20 seconds to make

without barracks

[spark bluff]

?

Swords take about 11 seconds

[restive wagon]

85% of 11 is 9.5

[spark bluff]

But the training times supposed to be higher

Not lower

[restive wagon]

11+9.5=20

[spark bluff]

Im talking about the units base training time not after the modifier is applied mb

[restive wagon]

oh

[spark bluff]

So u did mean a set increase sob 😭

Shit

That’s kinda weird

[restive wagon]

thoughts?

[spark bluff]

Because at the end of the day archerspam could do better without specific cards

But i imagine with Thera or ward and vamp

It could go crazy

[restive wagon]

if you micromanage your swordwrath, it would be op

[spark bluff]

You would just also need archers or some other early game because the units early sucks when using this

[restive wagon]

conserve every sword

[restive wagon]

i am thinking about locking it behind some kind of upgrade

i think forge is suitable,

[spark bluff]

Now that would go hard

Forge 1 yeah

[restive wagon]

ill put it in the game description

[spark bluff]

But i think you should add a limit to how many of the units are trainable until the upgrade is unlocked

Otherwise one can just get them for the original price anf speed then suddenly buff them all into monsters

[restive wagon]

or

i could make it to where only new units made on the feild are given buffs

not existing

[spark bluff]

Could work

I think that could be pretty valid

It would need to be put into practice in the field to determine whichever outcome would be superior however

[restive wagon]

yes

[spark bluff]

Cool

Im gonna just check on a few other things in the sever then i gotta lock in so

See u

[restive wagon]

yeah

see u

[proud crest]

reduced training speed = slower training

[spark bluff]

-85% implies 85 is subtracted from the original 100 which would give you 15% of the original training speedso I just had to make sure

[hearty quest]

https://youtu.be/8sdT_JYZZIo?si=XUdBxg028B97Egps

[restive wagon]

.

and it has been updated.

[restive wagon]

2: it doesnt make your swordwrath units go into minus

3: if you dont know what your talking about, dont say it

simple

[proud crest]

negative training increase

[restive wagon]

also, for lazy people

Description: Your swordwrath are better trained, but take more resources.
does not effect shadowrath or sicklewrath
Activates when Forge one is researched, does not affect preexisting swordwrath
120% increase of overall cost price
training duration is made longer by 85%
+50% damage Increase
+15% attack speed Increase
+25% hp Increased

this card is designed to be used with several other cards. the damage increase from this enchantment stacks with forge, and armory.

this is a luxury card, it is not a card designed to be a direct fix to anything.

[proud crest]

just say 85% longer training time, stupid

[restive wagon]

ok, jeez

[restive wagon]

also, im interested in your opinion on this card

[proud crest]

first. still haven't fixed the training speed thing
literally / +85% longer training time / just copypaste

second. it's essentially turns swordwrath into shadowrath. slightly weaker, cheaper shadowrath with normal movement speed

[restive wagon]

i can understand how you get misaken by the second fact

but if you read

you will see, that i added an upgrade barrier

i can lower the production time if you want

[proud crest]

it's not the percentage but the wording

like is the training SPEED increased
or do you still not know the difference

the difference between increased speed and increased time

training speed is increased by 85%
is very different from
training time is increased by 85%

[restive wagon]

do you want me to say duration?

oh

done

[proud crest]

the upgraded swordwrath would train for 4 seconds because of that

[restive wagon]

nightmare

also, by making swordwrath upgrade barriered, it turns swordwrath into a early and mid game card

[restive wagon]

hello folks

the new sharpened blades is made now

#1432858576619307190

check it out

[proud crest]

you didn't need to delete this one

[hearty quest]

Blud, you wanted me to cover ts

[proud crest]

i still don't understand how you came to that conclusion when it was a percentage

[restive wagon]

me niether

[restive wagon]

i asked you to grade it, not to talk shit about it

[spark bluff]

To be fair it’s not very clear on what the buffs mean

They could use some clarification

[prime frigate]

Original message deleted?

[sterile snow]

my conflict senses have been tingled

[spark bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-shocked-surprised-shocked-face-wow-gif-16570104

[hearty quest]

i made sure of it

[limpid harness]

https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1432858576619307190

[restive wagon]

the post has moved (i needed to update to picture)