Scorch [S4me]

[plush crown]

"🔥"
—Scorch 2.0
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DESCRIPTION

Summons a field of fire and burns units in it's range. When units get out of the range the burn is extinguished. (Burn is Incurable)
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STATS

Burn: 20 (per tick)
Duration: 8s
Range: Snow Squall
Cost: 200c
Cooldown: 40s
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BALANCE CHANGES

Burn is now incurable
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[surreal badger]

20 is crazy

Isn't a tick like a second

[plush crown]

yez

[surreal badger]

Might be too strong when paired with snow squall

Surge snow squall with scorch ensures any non-heavy unit's death

They can't even do anything about it

Surge spearos with scorch is just your DPS gone

[plush crown]

hmmm

[plush crown]

no wait ticks are 2 seconds

[surreal badger]

oh

Hmm

So it deals 80 damage

Basically enough to kill any light unit that isn't a general but shadowraths

But it does take long

[plush crown]

:3

[surreal badger]

I think it's balanced

[plush crown]

which is where snow squall takes that role

[surreal badger]

Deals way higher consistent damage but enemies can get away before they take too much damage

[plush crown]

I made scorch squall synergy better

[surreal badger]

Unlike current scorch which is just a heart attack that fails at doing it

[plush crown]

ril

[surreal badger]

Me like

[plush crown]

yay

[rare ermine]

@plush crown This is balanced. There is literally 2 options against this. Thera and Healing ward. (Meric is also an option, but I would be annoyed.)

[plush crown]

orrr

retreat button

thx

[rare ermine]

Wait, there is a delay on the deploy time? Alright.

[candid parrot]

Does the burn damage only happen inside scorch or does it apply burn?

This may seem irrelevant but it's the difference between fightable and backline annihilation

[plush crown]

applies burn

[candid parrot]

DAMN

[plush crown]

hehehehaw

[candid parrot]

Applied burn is always 5 seconds

Even if you dodge it near perfectly, if your unit touches it, that's a guaranteed 40 damage unless cure

[plush crown]

so with crawlers, you need armory 1 to stand a chance

[candid parrot]

And it'll add burn after the scorch is over too

So that's effectively 120 damage on a full scorch

[plush crown]

better than the RNG bullshit atleast?

[candid parrot]

But it's also purely burn

[plush crown]

:3

[candid parrot]

So any cure source straight up nullifies this

Ngl current scorch is better in terms of balance and that's saying a lot

[plush crown]

alright I'll mention the burn only happening inside the scorch

[candid parrot]

This is basically acid rain on steroids in terms of matchups

[candid parrot]

That does make it balanced against stuff without cure, but you're damed if your opponent has cure

[plush crown]

ye

should I make it incurable

[surreal badger]

Make it so that your units get burnt aswell

[candid parrot]

Honestly, yes

[surreal badger]

And if an enemy unit hits ur units while in flames they also get inflicted with fire

[candid parrot]

Burn shouldn't have been curable ever in the first place tbh

[plush crown]

🤔

[candid parrot]

What's the fcking point of using it then

[plush crown]

idk about that

[candid parrot]

This is reasonable

[plush crown]

agreed

[candid parrot]

This is making it useless

[plush crown]

and is the reason why BB is dead last mythic in the first place

[surreal badger]

I was about to say

Illuminate + Scorch

But then I remembered

[mellow bloom]

ello

nooooo i removed 69 msgs

how long is the tick?

and how much is tick speed?

[plush crown]

a tick is around 2 seconds in game

[mellow bloom]

no how many ticks is what i meant

[plush crown]

what

[mellow bloom]

how many times does it tick

like 2 times, 3 times 4 times

[plush crown]

around 4 times in it's entire duration

because a tick is basically just 2 seconds

[mellow bloom]

so 80 dmg?

i feel this is complete ass

like it cant kill anything

only like sickles

and it proly cant kill sickles if the sickles have t2 and a1

(vamp)

[lone brook]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hell-nah-hell-naw-button-gif-658894236480786400

this is a big h-h-h-HELL NAW

[plush crown]

why

[lone brook]

This is scorch but just buffed

[candid parrot]

80 damage with AOE

[lone brook]

Insta kills crawlers, sickles are probably doomed, archidon will get heavily scarred, combined with squall ur backline is just doomed

It’s basically dropping a nuke when combined with squall

[plush crown]

?

Oh wait, you prob think tick means 1 second lol

[candid parrot]

TP

[lone brook]

It’s about 2

[plush crown]

yeah

[lone brook]

Ik theres a short delay before damage

[plush crown]

4 seconds is absolutely enough for crawlers to escape

[lone brook]

But u get it

[candid parrot]

Oh yeah crawlers are absolutely doomed against this

[lone brook]

The main issue is just it’s synergy with other spells

[plush crown]

though their hp are gonna be halved when they get out-

[lone brook]

That make it go from mid too insane

[plush crown]

Snow Squall is just straight up OP right now

[candid parrot]

Current scorch, that has a similar or worse effect against crawlers (when the crawler player actually dodges), still does a considerable amount of damage

[plush crown]

if this rework were to happen, snow squall would definitely be reworked or atleast nerfed too

[lone brook]

Theres also fletching

[plush crown]

eh

[lone brook]

It should just extinguish the flame

In all honesty

Or mitigate it

[candid parrot]

Fletching doesn't matter, you can only target the Frontline with glacial fletching

[plush crown]

Kills it's synergy with eachother but sure, simple solution ig

[candid parrot]

That seems too specific

[lone brook]

Against Melee decks, user controlled egiant, and kytchu can help with that

That’s three situations

Also kinda weird to imagine this with boyers

[plush crown]

egiant in the big '25

[lone brook]

It could just extinguish any fire effects

[plush crown]

melee decks don't suffer much against fletching tbh, they always bring a tank with them to take all the slowing

[candid parrot]

Against melee decks it's still mainly the tanks getting hit, not the DPS and kytchu can only reliably hit 1 unit

[candid parrot]

Yeah it's really only in early-mid where it's a problem

[lone brook]

That’s true but it’s still helpful at least a little, especially during retreats

Also this with surge is like 120 dps

[plush crown]

one tank to sacrifice himself to the archidon horde

[plush crown]

holy shit I forgot surge even existed 💀

[lone brook]

Just like illuminati

Least used card ever

[candid parrot]

Also isn't surge tick time - 50%, not status effect DPS + 50%?

Pretty sure it is

I remember burn damage from surge bombers being really fast

[lone brook]

Same effect in terms of the end effect

I’ve seen it buff damage

But not sure about tick speed

[candid parrot]

It's not

[lone brook]

Should I try surge bombers?

[candid parrot]

Attack time - 50% is a lot stronger than DPS + 50%

[lone brook]

30 x4 vs 20x6

It says 50% more damage and duration

Not rate of damage

So

Idk

[candid parrot]

For example, an unit with 10 damage and 2 secs attack speed has DPS boosted to 10 with the first calculation, but only 7.5 with the second calculation

[lone brook]

Then again they are super unclear about their wording

[candid parrot]

It doesn't increase damage tho

[lone brook]

I’ve seen it do it before I swear 😭

I might have too go test it rn 😭

[candid parrot]

No you haven't

I'll ask crawler prince when he's online

[lone brook]

Ur not me how would you know 😂

[candid parrot]

He knows how surge works

[lone brook]

I can just test it

I’m boutta go in with bombers so

I’ll just switch rage for surge

[plush crown]

[mellow bloom]

doesnt kill much ngl

[lone brook]

I was wrong 😭

Mb I never use the damn thing

160 dps is insane