General passives concept

[alpine oriole]

Made this for fun, could be recycled for future ideas.

Kytchu
Arrow in the Wound - {UC}
• UC only effect. Hitting an enemy in a spot where an arrow is already embedded on (the embedded arrow needs to be kytchu's arrow.), Causes the new arrow to deal 2x damage. Makes the past arrow despawn. {Arrows from Volley do not count}

Atreyos
Man's Best Friend
• Whenever clicky is present, Atreyos gains a passive heal of 5/20 (Critical) HP every 10s whenever he is around clicky. {The CD in between passive healing is reduced to every 5s when out of combat.}
• If Atreyos is in critical condition, clicky will move near atreyos and tank any damage atreyos is supposed to recieve instead of atreyos himself. While atreyos only takes 20% of that damage. {Ex: if Atreyos loses 100 HP, he only loses 20 HP, while clicky loses 100 HP.}
• (Critical Condition is 10% HP for atreyos. He can keep the critical healing up until 25% HP. After that, the critical healing is gone.)

Xiphos
Overpower
• If an enemy has a higher HP than xiphos, xiphos will deal +1% more damage per 50 higher points of HP the enemy has. {Ex: if xiphos has 400(?) HP, and another enemy has 1,000 (Giant), Xiphos deals a bonus (1,000-400 = 600 ÷ 50 = 12) 12% Damage to the giant.}
• Yes, this works for current HP. Meaning the lower HP xiphos is, the more damage he deals.

[vague coral]

what is this, the strongest battlegrounds?

[alpine oriole]

Thera
Justice
• Whenever an allied unit dies within Thera's AoE, 15% of that unit's max HP is carried onto Thera's next basic heal. {This effect has a 2s CD.}

Shade
Weakened Guard - UC ONLY
• At Max Fixate, shade will activate shinobi for 3.5s. After that, her fixate stacks will reset to 0. Nearby enemies (3) will also be alerted to check out the area in search of shade. (Doesn't affect in-combat units)
{This effect has a 10s CD.}

Zarek
The False Emperor
• For every kill zarek gains, he adds a +0.5% Damage and attack speed buff to all order units. Whenever he dies, that stack of damage and attack speed is reduced by 50%. (In 2v2, the buff amount per kill is reduced to 0.25%.)
• if Zarek deals damage to an enemy below 30% HP and it dies within the next 1.5s, both zarek and the actual unit that killed it counts as both of them killing the unit.

[alpine oriole]

???

I know that game but no, this is straight up just unique passives

No kill requirements really needed on most of these

[fringe egret]

Atreyos passive is just completely overshadowed by others

And Thera simply op.

[alpine oriole]

Hey atleast you have a guy that can auto cure

[fringe egret]

1 sec cooldown to get that heal can get like nearly double healing rate for spam decks

[alpine oriole]

If you want to get the most of it you'd need some huge tank and sacrifice it

[fringe egret]

Or if the effect stacks then this can potentially bring a dying heavy suddenly back to full health

[alpine oriole]

and if any light unit just so happened to die right before that tank did

Well there goes your tank for nothing

Your next heal simply heals 20% of that dead light unit's HP

Instead of the chonky tank

[alpine oriole]

Thought of that, but no

Also the buffed heal only works on the first heal, any other heal even if it's continuous won't count

[fringe egret]

Even so say the light unit has like 60 health, that's still 12 extra heal, roughly + 12/s heal for Thera

At the least

[alpine oriole]

Let's say Thera heals 4 times in a single use within 1s (each heal is split to 0.25s)
The first heal within .25s will be the only heal with the buffed heal, the rest will stay the normal amount

Hmm

I made thera's heal 15% of a unit's max HP with a 2s CD

[fringe egret]

Thera doesn't heal that quickly

Also if this works with thera's hw then

[alpine oriole]

If a giant died that's 150 bonus heal

I don't think that's worth it for an entire giant

[leaden burrow]

xiphos is gonna be way too op ngl

[alpine oriole]

60 HP is now 9 extra heal

[fringe egret]

Yeah probably better. Will need a more experienced player to balance this tho, still think Atreyos needs buff

[alpine oriole]

Yeah

I'll think of a buff for atreyos

Now I'll continue with the rest of the generals

[leaden burrow]

xiphos already has a good percentage attack

so with this buff he will melt giants

and most tanks

[alpine oriole]

Tp

Marrowkai
Dreadful End
• Whenever marrowkai reaps a unit below 20% of their Max HP, the unit will die immediately. (15% for Heavies)
• When a unit dies from this, reap's CD is refreshed. And a dead spawns regardless of poison effects.

[alpine oriole]

What's xiphos's base damage again

[leaden burrow]

25 i think

and +20 to heavy or smth

[alpine oriole]

45 to heavy

So xiphos deals 50 damage against giants

With basic attacks

[leaden burrow]

he has a percentage attack also

so does it stack?

[alpine oriole]

Isn't that his ability

[leaden burrow]

yes

block

[alpine oriole]

Hmm, nah

The buff should only apply for his basic attacks

[leaden burrow]

oh phew

then it aint that bad

[alpine oriole]

That ability can already deal insane damage

Why must it deal more

[alpine oriole]

Tp again
Spearos
Frostbite - UC only
• Spearos applies a stack of frostbite when hitting an enemy suffering from glacial effects.
Each stack of frostbite adds +10% slow to the already slowed enemy. At 3 stacks, Spearos freezes the enemy, stunning them for 2s essentially. (Heavies are stunned for 1.5s, giants & Ripriders/Riptors are stunned for 1s.)
• When spearos activates frostbite, the freeze effect has a 7s CD. Yet the regular stacks can still take effect. (Caps at 3 stacks/30% Slow)
{No, surge cannot increase the stack's slow effects.}

Wrathnar
Erupting Rage
• If wrathnar is being simultaneously attacked by 10/15 units or more at once, he will glow red for 2s. After that 2s, he will yell in rage. (Plays the Swordwrath rage sfx from swl), creating an explosive leap explosion around him, knocking back units. As he applies the rage effect on himself for free. (The rage lasts for 3s, any attacks sustained increases the duration by 0.1s.)
{This effect has a 30s CD.}

Archis
Bulls-eye - UC only
• Headshot deal 3x more damage to enemies. They deal 5x more damage against enemies standing still. {Yes, even if they are walking, as long as they aren't changing/covering distance, it's considered standing.}

Magis
Chained Lightning
• Magis's attacks inflict Magnetism effects onto voltaic-applied enemies. Magnetism lasts for 5s upon application, and chains any voltaic damage or Magis Attacks affected units take to other magnetism applied enemies.

{Ex: 5 Magnetism enemies are near eachother, dealing 10 volt. damage to one of them deals 10 damage to the rest like a chain.}

That's pretty much everyone

@teal widget
@vapid sierra
@mighty folio
@wind heron

Also time to give atreyos some justice

[compact linden]

Hmmm not bad.

[alpine oriole]

Quick TP

[compact linden]

@maiden dew

[alpine oriole]

Buffed atreyos's passive

[compact linden]

Ok crit healing when out of combat.

[alpine oriole]

?

Atreyos passive?

Also that Crit healing is nerfed to 5 HP once he surpasses critical condition

[compact linden]

Yes I meant the buffed passive of Atreyos.

[compact linden]

What is the critical condition HP for Atreyos?

[alpine oriole]

Around 5% HP or so

Wow that's super low

[alpine oriole]

Around 10% HP

[compact linden]

Alright good enough.

[alpine oriole]

Still low

[compact linden]

@desert nimbus

[alpine oriole]

Ok clarified stuff on his heal

Ok so at 80 HP atreyos can get back to 200 HP after 30 seconds when out of combat

which is 60 seconds in combat

[alpine oriole]

.

Also anyone can use these passives in any of their ideas in any way they want I don't mind

[lofty dune]

it is I, DA DEADLY NINJA

[vapid sierra]

Kytchu one is niche as hell but it's kytchu so it's good
Atreyos has a really good passive and it discourages sacking clicky as a disposable summon
Xiphos's passive makes him a very good duelist
That combined with his block and his anti heavy status he would be an amazing duelist

Justice is.......
As long as it doesn't keep stacking the extra hp on a single heal it's ok

Shade isn't even out yet
Wait so she gets a shinobi on passive

It should have a cooldown so her fixate doesn't just keep resetting back when she's dueling

The false emperor (A fitting passive for him)
It's good and gives him another niche of sorts
It being a on kill effect is gonna be a very frustrating limit since other units can probably steal your kill

Justice and man's best friend are strong as hell
False emperor, Arrow in the wound and weakened guard are niche
Overpower is good

[alpine oriole]

I might make something to compensate the false emperor part, I'll give shade's a cd

[alpine oriole]

Atleast arrow in the wound isn't archis's bulls-eye

What about the other ones

[alpine oriole]

Bulls-eye straight up deals x3 damage on headshots buffed to x5 if an enemy is standing still

Idk why I made it x5 whenever an enemy is standing still

Should be the opposite

[teal widget]

Too complex yet its not even that big of a deal

[alpine oriole]

Rebel passives

[alpine oriole]

Cai

[alpine oriole]

Order generals

Magis will become busted with Tesla actually

Imagine all that Tesla damage spreading to all of your magnetised units

[teal widget]

Xiphos, Spearos, and Wrathnar are the only ones I can consider working fine

Some of these are similar to RNG, though not directly working by chance, the odds of it triggering is unreliable

[alpine oriole]

Which ones

[alpine oriole]

I know one of it is thera's

A 1 HP xiphos against insane mode lunarclops deals 769 damage per hit

[teal widget]

Kytchu, Atreyos, Thera, and Zarek

[alpine oriole]

What about thera

[teal widget]

The conditions for those 3 are pretty slim

[alpine oriole]

Kytchu I can see it

Zarek I added smth to make it less rng

As long as he hits a dying unit it's considered HIS and that other unit's kill even if it dies from something else

Just to make the pain more bearable

[teal widget]

Shade, Zarek, and Magis are complicated for no good reason

[alpine oriole]

What's wrong with magis's

Zarek is pretty straightforward

Get a kill and all your order units gain more damage and attack speed

[teal widget]

10% is nothing to his Dmg per hit

[alpine oriole]

Right I keep overestimating percentages

[teal widget]

It's voltaic 2.0

I mean, magis doesn't need that passive

He has no problem with spreading voltaic, his problem is his way of dealing damage

[alpine oriole]

Imagine Archidons with the spark enchantment

hmm

Okay wait let me think of something

[teal widget]

Thera also doesn't need Justice, she has FotF

What she's lacking is constant healing

[alpine oriole]

Now that you brought that up

[teal widget]

Zarek's passive also doesn't help Zarek's weakness, which is his inability to get into a position to dmg or kill without risking himself

[alpine oriole]

I could keep the requirements for her passive buff, but change the effect

[teal widget]

I'm thinking of the opposite if you plan to solve her lack of healing output

If you're going for more gimmicky then sure

[alpine oriole]

My idea was that after a certain requirement, her next basic heal would create smaller heals to nearby allies, healing a percentage of the original heal

Its not much healing but it allows her to cure more without the need of mass heal

Or I could make something with bubble.m

I notice that most of the times ppl rlly don't focus on bubble much

[teal widget]

I'm concerned for Wrathnar's passive, it would be too hard to trigger though it will be strong, I'd recommend making it easier for him to use the passive AFTER getting attacked by several enemies, but in exchange nerf the effect

[alpine oriole]

Sure

Hmm

[teal widget]

So a mini-ward/mana burst?

[alpine oriole]

Ok so on my list of balance changing:
• Zarek
• Wrathnar

Rework:
• Magis
• Thera

[alpine oriole]

I think so, imagine estes's ult

[teal widget]

She has no problem with AOE heals

[alpine oriole]

That's basically the idea, once he pops it mini-versions of his 1st skill link to nearby allies

though that sounds too bland

Hence I'm going for a bubble oriented passive

[teal widget]

What

Magis?

[alpine oriole]

Yes

I heard his way of dealing damage was a problem.

[teal widget]

Magis has no problem doing AOE damage

His problem is his mini-storm being clunky af and it's his main way of dealing damage

[alpine oriole]

Wait what about marrowkai and archis's passives

You haven't talked about em yet

Also

[teal widget]

I don't even want to engage with archis passive

[alpine oriole]

Marrowkai's passive I just realized is too low of a requirement

[teal widget]

It's technically op

[alpine oriole]

Like any unit is basically dead at that point

Gotta buff it

[teal widget]

Marrowkai is too niche, and pretty much falls to pseudo RNG

[alpine oriole]

What's pseudo rng

[teal widget]

.

[alpine oriole]

Ohhh

[teal widget]

Gameplay is basically too chaotic for relying on low number of percentages or small window of trigger

[alpine oriole]

Added an extra passive for marrowkai

Also requirement is 20% for light and 15% for heavies

[teal widget]

Oh so you tied the new effect to an already rare af occurrence

[alpine oriole]

Yes

Or...

[teal widget]

Now that percentage is actually pretty strong, it would've been pretty balanced if you didn't make reap reset cooldown allowing it to be that spammable

[fringe egret]

With how long reap's animation is I doubt it's actually gonna spam much

[teal widget]

Hold on, will the instakill trigger exclusively when the reap hits or any time as long as the unit is reaped?

[alpine oriole]

When the reap hits

[teal widget]

Yeah it's just going to be even more unreliable

Now it's even MORE unreliable

At this point it's more of an Easter egg than a passive

[alpine oriole]

Or I could make it so that if a targeted unit that meets the requirement is reaped

A diffirent animation plays that essentially makes it instant without any delays

[teal widget]

It's genuinely useless for strategizing

[alpine oriole]

like removes the slow animation of reap and makes it super fast

[teal widget]

I think that would be better

Because it would be much more consistent

And you could also easily increase the threshold without making it too strong

[alpine oriole]

Also opens up a way for marrowkai to summon more deads without TT or RoR

Pretty fast

Also it ensures mayhem if a backline gets reap killed

I'm gonna put this idea on hold and plan my next ideas

Evolutions type of stuff Mastery systems (which were supposed to be alongside this ideas as a way to unlock these special passives), and A General

A big idea I had in mind that I won't tackle yet is a new empire

[teal widget]

I think the game's match pacing is too chaotic for these to make sense

[alpine oriole]

Also you haven't reviewed my spiribomber in the fan ideas council yet.

[teal widget]

Unless what you mean is out-of-match enhancements

[alpine oriole]

[alpine oriole]

Imagine a guy pulls up with Evo swordwraths and demolishes your giants

x9999 value

[maiden dew]

Thx

Kytchus gonna be way more annoying but skill

Oh god atreyos will now be even tankier

Xiphos, ehh still too underpowered

Thera is intresting but 15% is massive especialy with how rare healing is within the game

Like this makes the free healkng atronger and thats a good idea but still sorta insane

Weakend guard idk you would need to be behind enemy lines to pull front line units away

But its a good concept

0.5% ??? Thats massive i mean it massively depends on enemies unit choice making zarek effectively hard counter dead spammy decks

[alpine oriole]

Zarek is a counter to deadspam now

Just realized

Marrowkai is basically a feeding machine to zarek

If you let those deads unattended

They're just free DMG and Atk SPD boosts

[mighty folio]

Marrowkai can also reap zarek into dying

[desert nimbus]

Amazing idea

Auto kill reap is funny

[mighty folio]

TP to top

[rancid wyvern]

Op for real

[ionic briar]

Nerf zarek and Thera

Their abilities are just obviously better

Besides that this could be fun

[alpine oriole]

Zarek??

Thera's will be hard to control anyways

[ionic briar]

Really only if you have melee dps