VoP Rework

[proud steeple]

instead of giving us 50k gold that we cannot spend,here's what it should do
No bastion;
Passive income gives 30 gold
miners mine %5 faster
Bastion 1;
Passive income gives us 50 gold
Unit costs are reduced by %5
Miners give 25 more gold for a full bag
Miners mine %10 faster
Bastion 2:
Passive income gives 80 gold
Unit costs are reduced by %10
Miners give 40 more gold for a full bag
Miners mine %20 faster
This isnt that good,but its better than what we have right now imo

[zenith plover]

So basically miner upgrade?

[proud steeple]

something like that

[zenith plover]

so basically worser vault

[proud steeple]

vault just has to be either reworked or nerfed to the point that nobody uses it

rework is better imo

[unborn dome]

I agree that vault needs a nerf but my guy, this sht is so weak that it's the equivalent of maxed VoP (including bastion 2) only being able to give 220 gold per tick and that's probably an exaggeration

[proud steeple]

i mean this is what vault should do but with some changes

[unborn dome]

Also the thing that makes vault unique from other eco cards is that it's not fully reliant on miners, this sht needs miners

[unborn dome]

Also, the 220 gold per tick is including the miner bonuses and the cost decrease on units

The passive income is if it gave 12 gold per tick.

At max.

With bastion 2.

[zenith plover]

This is like removing crawler's legs

[unborn dome]

Good comparison

Even removing fixate from shadows ain't as much of a fck-over as this

[proud steeple]

removing magikill's staff*

[zenith plover]

But they are literally sorcerers so they can maybe use magic without a staff

[unborn dome]

I think I should ping 84436 here

[proud steeple]

Dont

[unborn dome]

Why not

[proud steeple]

cuz yes

[floral widget]

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[placid bobcat]

this looks like something we get if smithy and miner upgrade had a baby

[vivid spruce]

Give me something not too OP or weak, but at least the equivalent of smithy but 10x more efficient

[latent arch]

the cost reduc part is cool as at least this version scales well with giants (1350g)but the income nerf is just too big. by removing it from thr mythic it likely becomes the new salvagers smithy.

[proud steeple]

if it would stay as mythic probably nobody will use it

[latent arch]

this kinda points to it being a massive nerf dont you think?

[unborn dome]

Vault should stay as mythic

But it should have the power to justify being a mythic

(don't make it OP or unbalanced tho)

[proud steeple]

yes

[latent arch]

which is just too much of a nerf, you could alternatively move some of the numbers around a little bit, is there a reasoning behind the 8% cost reduce?

[proud steeple]

Not really

[latent arch]

any reasoning behind any of the number choices?

[proud steeple]

to not make it op and see what people say first

i changed some stats rn

[latent arch]

i wouldnt care so much about the increase mining speed, if anything I' probably cut that out unless it increases their movement speed due to the overlap seeith miner upgrade.

[tame flax]

Why not just transfer the gold amount from Vault of Prudence to the gold pile ?

[vivid spruce]

Vamp still didnt live up to its name

8% or 15% is still just 1-2 HP heal for most unit

[proud steeple]

Every early game unit heals like 1 hp

and vamp is a mythic

Spearton and juggs heal like 4 or something

[vivid spruce]

That kind of heal for a tank unit is inefficient

No one asked for cure in a Lifesteal mechanic

we could just have like at least 20% heal without cure

[proud steeple]

or make the less dps units like archidons and speartons heal more

But true cure is stupid

[latent arch]

the maximum allowable atm is 20%, above that it buffs current op units. as much as I'd love a 40%

[latent arch]

from what I can tell miners mining was really the only stat that was buffed, this currently is more like a souped up miner upgrade tbh (this might be a decent buff to that card tbh)

[latent arch]

cure is vital atm for vamp, its still a major usecase

[zealous sapphire]

Right idea wrong execution

VoP is a mythic card for late game, and is designed to be able to work independently from miners.

What your rework did is make VoP a combined salvagers and miner upgrade as one mythic card

[vivid spruce]

But at the same time it makes status effects (beside slow) obsolete and just make vamp looks like a “Nuh uh poison” thing

Like seriously WE did not ask vamp to cure effects

[latent arch]

vamps only use for the longest time was cure