New doc?
#doc
clear orbit
celest dome
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clear orbit
The volt arrow change feels a bit too strong tbh
Oh I just saw the volt spells suggestion
Buffing vamp by quite a lot along with moving it to a less restricting upgrade?
The MA splash damage calculation isn't wrong, it's just how splash is calculated
Though I agree that it needs a change
Holy sht the marrowkai buff is insane
Oh, so this is where the magikill rework came from
Why is hw being hated on so much?
prime pier
Cat!
celest dome
Holy sht the marrowkai buff is *insane*
the cost aside, i dont think it's too much. i'm not sure 100% sure whether the cost should stay the same or be reduced, or by how much. reducing crystal cost and increasing the gold cost colud be considered. i just feel like 400 crystal is too much and it doesn't sit right with me?
clear orbit
The problem with the change is the cooldown buffs
Especially the summon
The changed summon is only 2 seconds slower than current temple 2 summon
clear orbit
The problem with the change is the cooldown buffs
Even more of a problem since you also made temple cheaper
Also I think the second magikill minions should be moved to a different upgrade
Instead of being on temple 2
It encourages magikill spam even more since only magikill spam can freely afford t2 while other decks that utilize magikill will suffer from it
merry gorge
The doc that killed a unit.
Also if vault change gets added as is in 10 mins SD meta I'll straight up quit the game. And probably even if it's not 10 mins SD meta too cuz 500 max is p-ss.
celest dome
It encourages magikill spam even more since only magikill spam can freely afford...
yeah, your'e thinking correctly for game balance, i thought about this too. But I'm sure CJ prioritizes keeping the game internally consistent. i think he cares more about that than balance. since summoning minion is a magic, ot should be considered normal for it to be in the temple. i assume balance will adjusted based on this consistency.
celest dome
The doc that killed a unit.
which unit are you talking about?
celest dome
Also if vault change gets added as is in 10 mins SD meta I'll straight up quit t...
if you fully read what i wrote about vault, you'd see that since is a rework idea, i already mentioned that these numbers could change depending on how new vault work. but i am suprised you find vault a bit weak. you'll gain extra bag for every 8 bags, which means a 12,5% resource bonus. i thought that was good.
with bastion 1, you also get gold equal to 15% of your total gold every 20 sec and there's no 2000 gold requirement.
plus, you have to consider things like the reduced cost of bastion upgrades and the CA Buff as well
last wadi
dang i dont like this at all, it feels like its writen from the perspective of spearcher mains who havent played against a variety of different decks due to their elo making it only possible vs certain "meta" decks. I'ma have to actually grab my computer for this one though as there is so much not good in this. It is templated very, nicely though.
meanwhile because spearcher main there is zero rebalancing to the strongest comp in the game rn
merry gorge
dang i dont like this at all, it feels like its writen from the perspective of ...
It's what I talked about before with the "CJ should get 2.4k" stuff. If only spearcher kytchu can get there, anyone who actually gets 2.4k is just gonna be insanely biased toward spearcher kytchu specifically.
last wadi
tbh you don't need to get 2.4k to see any of this. 2.4k is such a slim margin of time and the sheer time sink to get to that level of play wouldnt be good.
merry gorge
if you fully read what i wrote about vault, you'd see that since is a rework ide...
Your rework is the average "remove vault and replace it with something completely different that only caters to rush/midgame decks" suggestion. End of story.
last wadi
I'm making a response doc, its worse than that though tbf the doc itself is more of a collection of email balance suggestions from top players more so than a legitimate "how to fix the game"
merry gorge
If CJ actually implements the vault stuff from this doc Imma just let this game be Jon's balance playground and leave it to go play minesweeper instead.
Bro already had a perfect kytchu meta where it's kytchu mirrors in GM all day.
last wadi
I just dont think he really delved into the Data enough and based it more on feel which has its merits.
Vault does feel oppressive rn in mid/lategame
and jon also said for years that they needed to balance out the bs kytchu deck so I wouldn't
be too negative
celest dome
thank you both 👍
barren zenith
merry gorge
Vault does feel oppressive rn in mid/lategame
Both game pace and vault scaling needs to be slower for vault's power curve to actually have a chance at making sense.
last wadi
that would at least make the window more easily achievable
like angling a bowling ball
merry gorge
Vault being op at lategame would makes sense if ppl has 10-15 mins at least to try to stop it from happening.
Also the ppl who want a vault that exclusively caters to early/midgame decks should just suggest a new enchantment that does that.
last wadi
some of the hard part atm is that there are lots of suggestions that are given but some of them are checks to each other and its easy to forget about seemingly fringe cases.
last wadi
currently on 10pg for response, wanted to do sooner and shorter but theres a lot of info to dig through
merry gorge
@celest dome Btw can you make a doc to protest the pay to win change and send it to CJ plz? Thank you.
celest dome
Are you messing with me