Enslaved spearton

[bitter flame]

It works like a normal archidon but has more Hp and can change from mele to ranged atacks

Has 10-15 spears amd needs to go to the fort to get more

Armory upgrades his inventory

But like I said in the title force will upgrade their range

He does 15% more damage in mele

I think he's a jack of all trades honestly

Cost idk maybe 400

I honestly think it's great for early defense

His normal range it's 15% less than archidons

And upgrading force will give 15% more

I honestly wanna make him cheaper than archidons but that will unbalance

The longer spear upgrade will downgrade them because if they got long spear the inventory will reduce to 50% and their range from 15% less to 30% less than a archidon range but will do 15% more damage in range and 30% more damage in mele

Little redesign bc I forgot to add the ball thingy

Their movement is 40% less than a normal spearton ones

[random folio]

I mean

Seems like a worse toxic dead

Slightly faster (possibly) but no toxic, limited ammo, less heavy dps, less range, and actively is ruined by using a spearton ability, decreasing synergy with spears.

[bitter flame]

He can 2 shot the swordwrath

Idk

I think that will make him more op and unbalanced

[deft snow]

"limited ammo"
Have you seen archidons

[azure bison]

This doesn't seem that bad but also it doesn't look like a good idea for some reason

Also im not sure if it would be an lore accrute unit since a spearton probably would prefer to just kill theirself rather than becoming enslaved

[deft snow]

Damn i forgot to read

[wicked prairie]

We are got juggernight , this spearton will be redundant😭😭😭

[bitter hound]

If I'm not mistaken the fire elemental has the similar stats to the enslaved spearton

Though without the melee

But basically a more expensive archer with heavier damage

[lapis shuttle]

That not an enslaved spearton that an enslaved archer😭

[tranquil mason]

No

[bitter flame]

But why

[bitter hound]

This is wrong in so many levels

[tranquil mason]

It doesn't make amy sense lorewise
Enslaved speartons would rather die than fight for chaos
And that's even considering that speartons would even try to survive
Also the spear ammo thing is not needed
We don't need a chaos archidon too

And the upgrade is a literal downgrade

[bitter flame]

So u tell me that a bigger spear will have better aerodinamics?

[bitter hound]

It's not just that logic wise, speartons are built/trained for Frontline, they will never end up being a backliner. Because if that happens that dude is either not a Spearton or a crippled man, and the only crippled allowed are spellcasters, the king, or the undead

Gameplay wise, it's just too strong while also serving no unique purpose than being strong

[bitter flame]

Ok

After those I find this stupid myself lol

Îl delete the post rn

[bitter hound]

Tdeads for example have great DPS output but aside from that they offer more like anti heavy, poison, tanking, and even spam. And they also have noticeable downsides for said damage output, like speed and price

[tranquil mason]

Also
Don't forget the spearton motto
"Born to die but not before them"
They are willing to die
They would never get enslaved because even if they do they would rather get executed

[brave ether]

Nice art

[brave ether]

Too weak

[tranquil mason]

40% less than a spearton is like....
I think it's like dead movement speed or something

[bitter hound]

More like minion speed

Well, less than that

[brave ether]

He needs to get back to the castle to get more spears

Too weak

[tranquil mason]

In which case they have t dead syndrome but way worse

[brave ether]

Will only work for mid game

[tranquil mason]

Yeah exactly
And they are worse than possibly every other ranged unit at doing ranged unit shenanigans

[bitter hound]

And again, leave room for the fire elemental, heavy damage while being light is also their thing

The fire ele is the middle ground between archer and Tdead

[brave ether]

Who let my bro cook

[tranquil mason]

At least with tdead they have crazy heavy shred
With e spearton they have....
Slow movement
Worse range
And an ammo mechanic

While their upgrade is a straight up downgrade

[abstract notch]

lock this post now!

[bitter hound]

It's supposed advantage of being capable of melee is rather unstated

[tranquil mason]

Sacking 15% range and half of your ammo bar permanently on top of having slow movement for.....
A 15% damage buff on your projectiles

[bitter hound]

A ranged attack often have long cooldown, melee ones are often short, since there are no listed attack speed, we won't know how good it is at melee

[tranquil mason]

Yeah that too

Well..
Op said the ranged attack two shots swords

[bitter hound]

Because ranged units can fire in melee just fine, so there's not really a DPS loss there

[tranquil mason]

So it has like 43 damage or something on each spear

[brave ether]

It would be better if CJ makes archers need to recharge their arrows

[bitter hound]

I tried suggesting that several times, apparently not well received by the community

[bitter hound]

Imagine that on 1 or 1.5s atk speed

A common speed for melee

[tranquil mason]

That's a way to limit their current dominance over the meta
Maybe give em like 10 arrows and when they run out of arrows they automatically go and garrison to get their arrows back

[brave ether]

U can't get that early

[bitter hound]

Though I'm pretty sure a slow ranged unit like this wont really get into melee fights, especially if the opponent knows it can

[brave ether]

And there are not many decks without a tank

[bitter hound]

10 is too low

[tranquil mason]

He also said melee is 30% more than ranged which is nuts

[tranquil mason]

Maybe 15

[bitter hound]

👍

[brave ether]

Why r u trying to balance this it's already a bad idea because I don't think a spearton will ever get enslaved

[tranquil mason]

+30% is like....
Jeezus
About 50 damage with each melee swing
That's general levels of damage

[bitter hound]

Because obviously the concept can be reworked

Imagine its a pike bearer

A spear bearer

A pikeman

Or anything but an enslaved spearton

[brave ether]

Hmmm good

[bitter hound]

By then the stats will matter

[bitter hound]

Not just general, that's ZAREK level of damage

[tranquil mason]

One statement can make something incredibly broken,lukewarm or underpowered as h*ll

[brave ether]

What's the population

[tranquil mason]

No info

[brave ether]

So bad

Cost 400 gold only ?

[bitter hound]

Exactly why I encourage people to take their time, not overcomplicate things, or be specific on the details they put in.
whatever is displayed on the posts will be treated as part of the post

[brave ether]

Enchanted pike enchantment works with it right ?

[tranquil mason]

For all we know
It's chaos,???
We don't even know if it's light or heavy
Cost is 400
Damage is 43 on ranged and about 50 on melee
Attack speed unknown
Attack range is 15% less than archers
Movement speed is 40%
slower than spears
No pop info
And the upgrade is a downgrade

[tranquil mason]

Yeah exactly

[bitter hound]

Yes but not well

[tranquil mason]

Gives the ranged attacks 15% more damage in exchange for
15% less health and 50% less ammoe

[brave ether]

The only thing making it weak is it needs to take more spears

[tranquil mason]

Oh I'm sorry
15% less attack range

[bitter hound]

Pike is outright a downside

[tranquil mason]

So with the upgrade
They're pretty much throwing spears at tdead range
Possibly even lower than t dead range

[brave ether]

And have only 10-15 aoears

[tranquil mason]

Although
Each spear is packing 43 damage and when combined with forge's 15% damage buff and it's cheapness

[bitter hound]

It doesn't seem like it benefits from extra tip damage(atleast the ranged attack), and enchantment work on this one since it's already a ranged unit

[brave ether]

It's like bomber but stronger and cost more

Because it will 100% die

[tranquil mason]

No ....
It's tdead but even more ...
Uhh
One dimensional I think?

[bitter hound]

And at the speed at its going, aiming for the tip damage at melee would be inefficient than just spamming the attack button

[tranquil mason]

Only thing that could do anything against this is....
Archer start which is already probably the best starting unit

Like no offense to the guy but he needs to learn a bit more

[bitter hound]

The description is extremely vague, and the concept is criminal, the role of the unit is also rather niche or already taken

[tranquil mason]

Randomly throwing in one statement isn't really a good way to balance stuff out

[bitter hound]

So the rating is below average in all categories

[bitter flame]

Yall done? Exploding my phone I understand my unit sucks and I get it

[bitter hound]

Except for the fact that it does have an art

[tranquil mason]

Yeah but we want you to improve

Maybe you could make a really good idea
We don't know what everyone is capable of

[bitter hound]

It's not just us pointing out it sucks, we are also trying to make it work

[bitter hound]

Not everyone aspires to be a dedicated fan ideas maker

Some just comes up with something and decides to share it

[tranquil mason]

Yeah......
That's a niche thing I guess

[bitter flame]

Thanks ig

[bitter hound]

Wat u typing herald

[tranquil mason]

First off
More details on the stats
For example
This is a swordwrath's full stat sheet excluding the dps because DPS is not a reliable way for people to imagine the attack speed of units
Cost:125 gold,0 crystals
Order, light
Population:3
Training time:11 seconds
Hp:85
Damage:8(13 against heavy)
Attack speed: Swordwrath
Attack range: Swordwrath
Movement: Swordwrath
Passives
None
Ability
Leap
Cooldown:30 seconds
Leaps forward and stuns the first enemy hit

I'm doing a back to basics for this guy
He might need it

[bitter hound]

Inaccurate.

[tranquil mason]

Wat

[bitter hound]

You can't just put the unit itself as reference for speed

[tranquil mason]

I guess it's normal speed?

[bitter hound]

Thats like saying the speed of an enslaved spearton is comparable to the enslaved spearton

[tranquil mason]

It's easier to visualize in your head I think

Didn't I write em down?

[bitter hound]

Oh right

[tranquil mason]

Order,light

[bitter flame]

Thanks I'll use it probably idk no promises

[lilac crane]

👻

[random folio]

Basically shouldn’t be added because it doesn’t provide anything new

[bitter hound]

No

It adds variety to the game regardless of how little it offers

Which is the entire point of the idea