The horde

[steel solstice]

A spell that spawns 4 normal zombies.

Cost 150 crystal

Cooldown 40 seconds

[left grotto]

Hell no, this spell is too broken.

This just win early game with no downgrade and gets in like the first 15 SECONDS.

The opponent gets no chance to develop

[naive matrix]

This is way too spammable

3 normal deads and 4 runners

Hell naw

[left grotto]

Runner deads in SwL is a pain to deal with. Archidon gets no chance and archidon is like the bigger counter to deads.

[frozen anchor]

I'm convinced this is a joke post

There's no way a human wrote allat and said 75 crystal and 20s cooldown

[left grotto]

Imagine combining this with rage.

[frozen anchor]

You don't even need rage

This sht op on it's own

[left grotto]

My proposed nerf:

20 sec => 90 sec

75 crystal => 350 crystal

Or just REMOVED it.

[naive matrix]

This sht is staff crawler rush for only 1.5 miner deposits

[frozen anchor]

Proposed nerf:
1 pouncer dead and 3 deads
75c > 200c
3 extra pouncer deads at temple 2
20s > 50s

[frozen anchor]

Too much

[left grotto]

After seeing your, mine is overkill.

[steel solstice]

mb i dont know how to balance things

I usually play legacy

So for me this was like weak as hell

i have a nerf tho

Give me a sec

@frozen anchor @left grotto is this good?

[frozen anchor]

Still too much

[steel solstice]

alr

[frozen anchor]

3 pouncers is actually crazy

You have potential

Keep making fan ideas

[steel solstice]

Theres just a lot from legacy id love to see in saga, like some of the cool troops like the giant spartan dead

[frozen anchor]

The stone giant?

[steel solstice]

No

[frozen anchor]

Speardeads?

[steel solstice]

Yeah

Theres one but its just a giant not dead

[frozen anchor]

They have nothing unique about them, only that they're just tankier deads
We already have giant deads

[steel solstice]

I think there cool

[coral hinge]

That's enlarged giants

[frozen anchor]

Griffon is gonna be hard to balance, but yeah it'd be cool

[steel solstice]

yeah mb

[frozen anchor]

Oh-

[coral hinge]

Spearton Deads are useless, they're just tankier deads

They have no real purpose other than to be deads that are

well

tankier

[steel solstice]

We have the jug anyways

so yeah fair point

[coral hinge]

Stone Giants are just broken

[frozen anchor]

Stone giants could be implemented

[steel solstice]

definitely

[coral hinge]

Unlike giants, they nom on units dealing constant damage, are way tankier, have an earthquake ability, and deal ungodly amounts of damage to other giants

Like every now and then they deal atleast 100 to 300 damage to your giants in a single hit

I think that's the shove ability where it sends units flying aswell

Anyways 3 pouncers is insane

[frozen anchor]

I already made a balanced ver of this

[steel solstice]

i dont see the issue with pouncers?

[coral hinge]

3 pouncers is just an instant no, even though they may be "weak" they are one hell of a threat

[steel solstice]

there not very powerful

[coral hinge]

they are

[steel solstice]

They just break up the thing

[coral hinge]

In stick war 3 they are

[coral hinge]

They stun, ignore frontlines, and are as tanky as deads

[steel solstice]

Legacy?

[coral hinge]

In legacy units are more unbalanced

Spammable

[frozen anchor]

Pouncers target backlines specifically in swl, if that was implemented into sws they would be more powerful than crawlers arguably

[coral hinge]

And spells

[coral hinge]

They're super fast too

Like good luck reacting to them

[steel solstice]

that's basically the chaos runners with slightly more HP

[coral hinge]

No?

Crawlers are just fast, low health but fast attack

Bombers are just aoe but they die instantly

[frozen anchor]

Only 4 normal deads would be understandable

[coral hinge]

While pouncers outclasses them

They are anti-backline

They will ruin frontlines

And they are fast, and good enough meat shields since they're as tanky (if not tankier) than regular deads

Deadspam will be blooming if this existed

TT exists too

[steel solstice]

I just got ruined by a deadspam

[coral hinge]

Fck your backline they're gonna die the moment they get touched

[steel solstice]

I dont even understand how it happened

[frozen anchor]

Ripps would unironically counter pouncers

[coral hinge]

RoR

[steel solstice]

im kinda new to thw whole saga fandom

ive play legacy for like a year or 2

[frozen anchor]

Big hitbox + fast, they'll support the backline quicker than elon musk doing the sign

[coral hinge]

You're fcked if you don't have vamp

Against deadspam

[frozen anchor]

Vamp not even counter 😭

[steel solstice]

And i played saga when it released but haven't really ibteracted with the fandom

[coral hinge]

Or if you don't have any healing

[frozen anchor]

Deadspam just built diff

[left grotto]

Maybe pouncer deads should never be added.

[frozen anchor]

Nice, we're friendly here

We mean to people who suggest terribles 😭

[steel solstice]

I love to deal with pouncer deads imo

[frozen anchor]

There's someway to balance them out

[steel solstice]

its a nice break up from the usual tanky no stun giants

[coral hinge]

Deal with TT army of them

[steel solstice]

And the basic deads

[coral hinge]

Vamp TT pouncer spam

With rage too💀

[steel solstice]

swordwrath spam 🔛🔝

[wide pecan]

What if pouncer deads were stunned by the attacks of heavy units and had less health and damage?

[frozen anchor]

Less hp is all they need

[coral hinge]

Fck that

TT and RoR will fck your swords over

[frozen anchor]

15-30 is reasonable

[steel solstice]

sword wrath is only good if they dont have the posion zombie thing

[coral hinge]

RoR buffs dead health already

[steel solstice]

Whats TT and RoR

[frozen anchor]

Void. Chill 😭🙏

[coral hinge]

TT makes all chaos units apply poison

RoR buffs dead HP, and makes it so every unit that dies poisoned turns into regular deads

[steel solstice]

Oh the total toxin,

[coral hinge]

So yeah you're just cooked

[steel solstice]

ahh

[coral hinge]

Rage will also make it even worse for you

[steel solstice]

Yeah thats what i was saying

[coral hinge]

sickles are your only savior

[steel solstice]

even TT is fine aslong as they dont have ROR

[frozen anchor]

Let's rename this post to "teach a new saga player how to play the game"

[left grotto]

I make a pouncer deads concept that how I balance them.

[coral hinge]

Nah even with TT they're still cooked

[steel solstice]

I know how to play the game i just dont know yalls slang😭🙏

[frozen anchor]

LMAO-

[coral hinge]

Pouncers will stun and probably out-dps the swords just because of TT

[steel solstice]

I beg to differ, sword wrath has decent HP decent damage cost effective, and can be built fairly quickly

[coral hinge]

Also they're guaranteed to die after the battle anyways cause of poison

[coral hinge]

Pouncers would essentially be sword counterparts

[steel solstice]

Plus with rage some archers and healing

[coral hinge]

Those archers are gone

[steel solstice]

Like to see them run through 3 lines of sword wrath😭🙏

[coral hinge]

Like to see those swordwraths run through 5 lines of pouncers with TT

[frozen anchor]

Archers have fairly average hp, they could actually survive attacks if pouncers don't have the insane damage they had in swl

[coral hinge]

God knows CJ will make pouncers 1 or 2 pop

[frozen anchor]

Swords are just cooked af no question

[steel solstice]

CJ?

[coral hinge]

creator of the stick war games

[frozen anchor]

CrazyJay, the lead dev

[coral hinge]

crazy Jay

[steel solstice]

swordwrath my beloved 💔

[steel solstice]

Ah alr

[steel solstice]

ohh ok

[coral hinge]

This ain't swl swords bro🙏

They're not as OP

[frozen anchor]

What deck do you run?
I love swords and ripps lol

[coral hinge]

They're just balanced but get bullied by any meta deck

[steel solstice]

what have they done to my baby

[steel solstice]

i run a couple

Ive been experimenting

[frozen anchor]

They just need their atk spd animations fixed

[coral hinge]

You just can't really spam them anymore

[frozen anchor]

Then they're balanced

[coral hinge]

because your enemies have brains now

[steel solstice]

they should add a friend and duel system ngl

[coral hinge]

Uhhh

[steel solstice]

Love to go against you guys

[frozen anchor]

There's already one

[steel solstice]

Oh fr?

[frozen anchor]

Yah

[coral hinge]

Yeah

[steel solstice]

I just haven't looked very hard then

[coral hinge]

I don't play sw3 anymore

I'm waiting for a major update to drop first

Then I'll revisit

[steel solstice]

Or maybe because i dont have any friends 😛

[frozen anchor]

Did you know 2400 elo is actually considered low by top players?

[steel solstice]

oh...

[frozen anchor]

Crazy right, now I'm hella demotivated to rank up 😭

Wanna 1v1? I'm only 1700

[steel solstice]

Is this good guys?

[steel solstice]

Sure

[frozen anchor]

Nice

[coral hinge]

I'm also silver

It's good👍

[frozen anchor]

You two first fight

[coral hinge]

No

I quit sw3

[frozen anchor]

Ok

[left grotto]

I in 2k in ranked

[coral hinge]

You two fight first

Meanwhile I'm gonna make my unit idea

[steel solstice]

Is SW3 saga?

[steel solstice]

I have a couple ideas

[frozen anchor]

Ping me when done

[steel solstice]

But id need to look at the wikis and stuff to balance them

So i know whats a reasonable HP, Damage and stuff

@frozen anchor friend me rq let me make a deck

[frozen anchor]

heart#4610

[steel solstice]

ive been running a chaos deck and it worked for like 2 games

[frozen anchor]

To give you a headstart I'm using archer + spears

You can make a counter deck if you want

{:

[left grotto]

I will spectate to you guys

[frozen anchor]

You also need to take into account what their role in the game would be and how they'd play/combo with specific units/spells/enchants

[steel solstice]

Idk how so im just gonna run bs

[dire frigate]

the problem is if they spawn the same way as staff (at frontlines)
in which case it's almost impossible to balance, even spawning 1/2 might be too much, if they spawn from your statue it might be enough though

[left grotto]

I am currently watching your match and I spot some error.

[frozen anchor]

GG

[steel solstice]

Gg

[steel solstice]

You probably do

[frozen anchor]

Dude that was the toughest fight I've ever had since last week

[steel solstice]

i tried

[frozen anchor]

I was on 300 ping btw

[steel solstice]

I could tell lol

If only you were on 400

Maybe i could have won

[frozen anchor]

Took a selfie mid match cuz why not

[steel solstice]

You got your gen first?

[left grotto]

I saw that

[steel solstice]

Usually i get my toops up first then maybe my general

[frozen anchor]

I let you build up your army lol

Anyways yes, kytchu pretty cheap

[steel solstice]

This was my deck

[frozen anchor]

Damn that's why you lost

[steel solstice]

probably

i didn't put much thought into it ngl

I just wanted shadow wrath because of the DPS

[frozen anchor]

Use vampiric soul instead of healing ward, your shadowraths heal so much from fixate

[coral hinge]

What am I even looking at

[naive matrix]

Weird ahh deck

And unviable

[left grotto]

I have tips for you:

Enslaved miner instead of regular miner

[frozen anchor]

Lol

[steel solstice]

I did okay with it

[steel solstice]

Whats the difference??

[coral hinge]

Enslaved miners less health but heal

[left grotto]

Enslaved miner is light

[coral hinge]

Their heal cures

Also they're light

Ominers are heavy

[naive matrix]

Same HP now

[coral hinge]

Oh damn

[left grotto]

And benefit from rage.

[coral hinge]

They just made ominers obsolete

[steel solstice]

Ahh alr

[naive matrix]

With CW nerf, they are EXTREMELY niche now

Currently their SOLE purpose is not getting 3 shot by cw archis

[steel solstice]

when you said CW i thought you were talking about cold war🙏😭😭

[naive matrix]

LITERALLY the only purpose they have rn

[steel solstice]

What does cw mean

[naive matrix]

Control whip

[steel solstice]

Ah alr

[left grotto]

A mythic get nerf.

Hard

[steel solstice]

@coral hinge you wanna 1v1 now?

[coral hinge]

I don't have sw3 isntalled

[steel solstice]

oh alr

[coral hinge]

I don't plan on playing it

[steel solstice]

Kk

Ima go work on a better deck

all my decks work for like 2 games then immediately become obsolete

[dire frigate]

crimean war

[frozen anchor]

Crimon war :D

[steel solstice]

Crimson from Terraria?

[left grotto]

Here a deck I proposed for beginners.

[frozen anchor]

Nu, I just mispell crimson and got crimon 😭

I kept cuz it sound cooler than edgy crimson

[steel solstice]

crimson from Terraria

Vamperic knives 🔛🔝

[left grotto]

Dead spam + Marrowkai upgrade brilliant deck.

[steel solstice]

i dont know anything about anything

what is deadspam?

[dire frigate]

not in this meta

[steel solstice]

And what do you mean by thr upgrade brilliant deck?

[steel solstice]

I know what deadspam is

Just not how to make it

[coral hinge]

It's just deads and RoR

[steel solstice]

Im in siver, i dont need to know about meta

[coral hinge]

The main focus is poison and RoR

You're supposed to get a batsht ton of deads to overwhelm the enemy

[naive matrix]

Stall variation or pressure variation?

[dire frigate]

i just mean that magikill are really popular rn same with a lot of AoE

[steel solstice]

uhhh

what?

im just going to put together what i think a deadspam is and yall tell me what to change

[left grotto]

Enslaved miner, Deads, Toxic Deads, Ruin of Reanimated, spearton spawn, deads spawn, brilliant and Marrowkai.

[steel solstice]

oh ok

I was kinda there

[steel solstice]

Im changeing out spearton spwn for acid rain

I really like the buff

And it adds more poison

[naive matrix]

There's stall variations which are usually spellspam, meant for forcing tower with as much success and then stalling on tower until you win
Pressure variations are basically aggressive deadspam, meant for forcing the enemy back as much as possible and putting them under pressure as much as you can

[steel solstice]

im probably doin stall

i usually rush tower as i spawn

[dire frigate]

keep in mind poison doesnt stack, whatrver is the most recent source is whats on it

[left grotto]

Build up your deads first, then attack once you have decent number.

[steel solstice]

More things to cause posion

[naive matrix]

Or be a dumbass- like me and tdead rush

[steel solstice]

so there almost always under poison

[naive matrix]

Tdeads are enough

[steel solstice]

Ok

[naive matrix]

TT marrowkai is really good for dealing with protected hordes tho

[steel solstice]

Im doing rage instead of rain

[left grotto]

Rage is optional

[dire frigate]

though if you can manage thera shes more helpful for dspam as you just use fotf whenever combat starts pretty much

[steel solstice]

Fotf?

[dire frigate]

flight of the foretold

makes it so units dont die in her aoe

[steel solstice]

Ah alr

ohhh

Im just going to run this build and change what i need

[dire frigate]

yeah either way dspam is a nice simple base

so long as you dont forget ror (rune of reanimation)

[frozen anchor]

You should start switching to other decks in the meanwhile, don't just main deadspam, it will not improve your skills at all

👌

[steel solstice]

I probably wont

[dire frigate]

dspam is a decent opener for working on gettin uc mining down

[steel solstice]

Ill just get to a high rank and then start playing legitmenly until i can fend my own and then do it again

[frozen anchor]

Yup

[frozen anchor]

Dedication 🔥

The next yasin fr fr

[steel solstice]

Whats yasin?

[coral hinge]

Pro player

[steel solstice]

Yeah nah id solo

[frozen anchor]

Top skilled player

[steel solstice]

Also theres pros in this game?

[frozen anchor]

Too many

[steel solstice]

Thought this game was neice

[frozen anchor]

It is, they mostly silly

And not egoistic maniac