Changing the Meta (Balance Changes)

[sharp crater]

Units

Sicklewrath
Train time: 10 -> 9
Damage: 5 -> 6 (+2 to light units)

Archers
Damage: 10 -> 9

Shadowrath
Damage: 14 -> 16 (+5 to heavy units)
Train time: 19 -> 18 seconds

Magikill
Minion cooldown: 6 -> 9 seconds.

Kytchu
Health: 300 -> 250
Arrow Volley resets every time it's used.

Enchantments

Vampiric Soul

Level 0: 6% life steal.
Level 1: 10% life steal.
Level 2: Cure and 15% life steal.

Secret Tunnel
Enabled at Level 1.
Level 2: All units that comes out of the tower gains 3 seconds of damage and stun immunity.

Miner Wall
(Forge 1) Health at Level 1: 350 and deals 5 damage every 5 seconds.
(Forge 2) Health at Level 2: 700 and deals 8 damage every 5 seconds.

Controller Whip
Units gain 10% more movement speed and do 35% more damage from behind and headshots.

Vault of Prudence
Player starts with 100 extra gold. This enchantment can be improved by upgrading Bastion.
Bastion Level 1: Miners give 25% more gold and 50% more crystal.
Bastion Level 2: Miners give 50% more gold.

Spells

Illuminate
Reveals the entire battlefield, your opponents deck, the amount of resources they have, what units are being trained, and increases all magic unit's movement speed by 50% for 5 seconds. The spell lasts 15 seconds.

Tesla Coil
Spell Duration: 5 less seconds than it currently is.

This post has been updated 7 times.

[daring tundra]

Dubs genuinely dubs

[dreamy relic]

Sicklewrath: I understand why, but it's too much

Crawlers: Jesus Christ NO

Archers: it's an overnerf

Shadowrath: they have 14+5L damage , anyway, idk about this, but it's better than the pure trash we have now

Magikill: the minions are the damn problem

Kytchu: her main problem is her unreasonably high survivability

Vamp: way better than what we have rn but still sad

Tunnel: being moved to temple 1 is already strong enough, we don't need THAT bullsht

Miner wall: better than what we have, but I feel like it's overbuffed, especially with level 2 having eight hundred HP

CW: the damage nerf was good, but, why would you buff the movement speed boost??? That's a hella problematic part of CW too

Illuminate: idk

PB: I-.. I am not going to say anything about this, I am incredibly biased towards this piece of sht

Tesla: Jesus fcking no, why would you buff Tesla????

[sharp crater]

It's supposed to be a nerf, it lasts 5 LESS seconds than it currently does

[dreamy relic]

The duration?

Then yeah, it's good

[sharp crater]

How is it now?

[dreamy relic]

Better

More understandable

Oh some balance changes are different too

[sharp crater]

Shadowrath bonus damage to heavies was a purposeful change btw

[dreamy relic]

It's nice

Archers are balanced

In this change, not in-game

Crawlers getting a buff is still a massive

[sharp crater]

It's just 5 more health

[dreamy relic]

You have no idea how big that change is

Don't forget that they have passive heal too

And that they often cover for each other

Surviving just 1 more hit from nearly everything is a massive change for a spammable unit like crawlers

Especially since they have passive heal

[sharp crater]

What about 5 damage but only 30 health?

[dreamy relic]

That's.. two very massive changes, and I don't know how they would interact

[bronze lily]

Marrowkai hell fist now instakill crawlers.

30 is an important enough dmg threshold cuz it's 2 attack from spear/archer to a light unit.

Also maybe a crawler dies to 1 bomber now.

[sharp crater]

The main problem I have when using crawlers is that they just do not do enough damage. I could spend 500 gold on 10 crawlers but using a single spear is just much better

[bronze lily]

Crawler dmg rn is mostly bad cuz spear block.

Try tanking crawler stack with jugg/ripp and you'll see what I mean.

[dreamy relic]

Not "mostly", spear block is the only reason why crawlers damage is "bad"

[dreamy relic]

Me watching max pop shadowripp get melted by crawler spam:

[sharp crater]

Scorch:

[bronze lily]

The other reason is they have to spend time trying to dodge AoE which reduces their dmg uptime.

[dreamy relic]

Are you assuming that the FASTEST unit with the smallest hitbox won't be able to dodge that?

Also that's basically a goddamn hardcounter

[bronze lily]

Dead can just power through sometimes but crawler just kinda can't.

[dreamy relic]

That's like saying that crawlers suck as DPS and having spears as the only argument

[bronze lily]

... except that kinda is the actual situation rn.

[sharp crater]

It's hard to micro your crawlers when they're in a middle of a fight, and Scorch is mainly RNG, which is a major factor

maybe its a skill issue

idk

[dreamy relic]

Just press defend

[sonic dirge]

Get Civilbreak

[bronze lily]

Scorch hit a specific zone of the map, even if it's rng within said zone.

[dreamy relic]

The guy that suggested ripps to become light units with INCREDIBLY high AOE damage against light units specifically? And the guy that turned 2 spears into as tanky as a few max mono cgiants? And the guy that insisted that ripps are the late-game tank of the order faction even though spears are clearly better at actual tanking and made cgiants 1400 HP and completely murdered monstrosity for that reason?

[sonic dirge]

I'm guilty myself of the last part

[bronze lily]

Also scorch zone is a bit deceptive. The fireballs right at the edge can splash to units slightly outside of the red zone on the map.

[sonic dirge]

That's a pretty creative idea for secret tunnel, though quite terrifying.

Illuminate hell & Projectiles barrier no

For magikill, I really don't think stat change will ever work, Magikill minions are just designed to be nothing but abusable, it has to be reworked

[obtuse field]

Sickles don't need more dmg against light units, or atleast not that much. The problem is their vulnerability to everything else and their extremely niche use cases. Other than that though the training time buff would really help, but I'm worried they'll outclass Deads in defending the base early game with how close their health, cost, and build time are getting. You can already argue that swords are better than Deads in that, but they atleast have their cost and training time keeping them in check

Why rework cats btw

[bronze lily]

Sword is better if you cycle them when in defense but if you don't dead is stronger.

[obtuse field]

Yah, I kinda like that actually. Deads being beginner friendly and all that

[bronze lily]

Basic dead carries tdead so fckin hard lol.

[elder trellis]

sickle: train time is too much, dmg would work
crawler: doesnt need dmg buff + they already have too little hp, this just makes them worse.
archer✅
shadow: wrong dmg?
magikill✅
kytchu: volley isnt the problem its the archer train/ cost reduc otherwise is good.
vamp:
tunnel: toxic
miner engineer*: thats a lot of dmg
cw: unusable
VoP: just make it 5% etc.
illuminate:
PB is already horrible for gameplay, +4s just makes it worse.
tesla: doesnt fix the toxic part of tesla

[bronze lily]

Tdead straight up would have no real niche if basic dead was bad.

My suggestion for vault is simply to bring 2022 vault back but as a mythic.

[elder trellis]

what was 2022 vault?

[dreamy relic]

He said the +H is intentional

[elder trellis]

shadows have 14dmg not 12?

[dreamy relic]

Oh that, yeah that's just wrong

[elder trellis]

and +1 dmg aint doing anything. +H is just bad for their pseudo assassin style role anyway.

[bronze lily]

1000 to start 15s per gold bonus +100 gold at game start.

[elder trellis]

i guess that would make turtle players actually run the turtle enchant

but getting early rip in first 30s sounds scary

probably more like 40s

[inner night]

NO WAY

UR POST

IS EPIC

EVERY PROBLEM I WAS ABOUTto say

ALL include in ur post

u are the legend of fan idea post

better than all other ksi idea

vault need half time to multiply

and this will be really good

[sharp crater]

Vault of Prudence reworked

[obtuse field]

Miner upgrade as a mythic

[sharp crater]

Explanation of why Shadowrath should deal +Heavy damage: Shadowrath in this game act more like DPS machines, and less like assassins like in STE. Its cost of both gold and crystal makes it more viable in mid to late game, as using shadowraths in early game is very risky, since it's a light unit, you can't train as many other early game units like swordwrath or archers. Furthermore, Shadowraths are a mediocre unit at best even when it's played well. Even though it's great for early game, chasing and dealing extra damage to retreating units, it's not very good when it faces off against heavy units. Just 2 or 3 speartons can easily hold off and stall out multiple shadowraths. Not to mention the fact that in mid to late game, your opponent is guaranteed to have tank/heavy units, which are major problems for shadowraths. Their fixate ability are very powerful against light units, but if they do bonus damage to heavy units, they would actually serve their purpose of being DPS machines/glass cannons.

[elder trellis]

lets look at current ratio to kill
spear: 17
+L shadow: 21
+H shadow: 16
effectively nothing is stopping shadows

i just think its too much

[sharp crater]

No +damage to light units, just heavy units

[oblique dust]

all of this are shitt

[oblique dust]

try to learn play shadows properly

[dreamy relic]

All of it?

[oblique dust]

yes

[dreamy relic]

Even the kytchu nerf? And the archer nerf? And the miner wall buff?

[oblique dust]

yes

[dreamy relic]

Wha

[oblique dust]

Let's tesla will cost 50 crystal and oneshots every unit expect generals and giants

[sharp crater]

^

[thick sedge]

Whip cont nerf you muffin head?
That enchantment are skilly and good for only bro players they most add more thinks like it!

[dreamy relic]

Bruh what

Control whip nerf is completely reasonable

[sonic dirge]

I remember when control whip is considered trash

[inner night]

it increase the first speed of miner and lot of other thing

so not bad at all

[pale raven]

HOW DARE YOU @dreamy relic

HOW DARE YOU NOT PING ME FOR BALANCE CHANGES

[dreamy relic]

You don't say ANYTHING on this channel or the council server

Start being less inactive and maybe I'll consider pinging you again

Fukk you

[oblique dust]

you not act,ve for long time

[dreamy relic]

Exactly why I didn't ping you

No posts, no messages, NOTHING on this channel for so long that I've lost count

The last message from you was 1-2 months ago

[oblique dust]

lmao

i sent to many balance changes

and c,ivil not check

[pale raven]

Sicklewrath: This does nothing but make Sicklewrath have more RPS (rock paper scissors) gameplay. Sicklewrath need a complete rework.

Archidons: I, personally, prefer that forge gets buffed to 20% and every other unit becomes on the same level of archidon strength (NOT Archidons with Kytchu strength, just Archidons with maybe some enchants)

Shadowrath: Makes shadowrath into just late game swordwrath.

Magikill: PLEASE CJ, I BEG OF YOU

Kytchu: Instead of damage changes (the high damage makes Kytchu fun) maybe a dodge nerf (30 second cooldown?) The volly change is good.

Vamp: Cure NEEDS to be temple 2. Not to mention, you barely buffed the healing. I rather healing be buffed but cure stays on temple 2.

Tunnel: I like moving it to temple 1 (might be strong), but the damage immunity does nothing but make tower stall decks a pain to fight against.

Wall: Damage is still too low imo

CW: Good nerf.

Vault: Extra starting gold is fine, but not the miner change lol. Combine this with miner upgrade, and then you can set up magikill meric giant turtle and vault with only 6 miners.

Illuminate: This would make it more useful for rush players, as now they can play out how to play against certain players. Still wouldn't be enough for high elo meta, but it would be a nice pick for starter players.

Bubble: Makes it more RPS gameplay.

Tesla: Kill this stupid spell.

In summary: 5 , 3 , and 5 . This gives you a score of 6.5/13, which is a

[pale raven]

BECAUSE YOU DON'T PING ME

[oblique dust]

all of them suck lmao

civil you not even playing

[pale raven]

Nuh uh

I have an alt you know

[oblique dust]

and you are not 2500

for known balance

properly

[pale raven]

Which of these are really bad

[pale raven]

THAT

I DID NOT MENTION IN MINE

[oblique dust]

all of them suck lmaoe

even cw one

[pale raven]

Even magikill change?

[oblique dust]

yes

even its

[pale raven]

Event tesla?

[oblique dust]

YES

EVEN DAMN TESLA

current tesla balanced

tower not

people should understund it

[pale raven]

HELL NAH

[dreamy relic]

👎

[pale raven]

Maybe for high elo games

[oblique dust]

mf

problem is tower

[dreamy relic]

Increase Tesla's cost to 150 and then it's fine

[oblique dust]

not tesla

[oblique dust]

yeah lets make it complatelty useless

[pale raven]

If spirit spawns, or tesla should never be good in high meta

[pale raven]

Yes

Please do

[oblique dust]

they never lmao

tesla and spiritons are useles safter 2500

[dreamy relic]

Even miner wall?

[oblique dust]

last time it was working was spiritons target statue

[oblique dust]

yes

[dreamy relic]

Why

[oblique dust]

problem of wall is not hp

problem of wall is

how it placen

you cant even get advantage from it

if it gona stand outside of base

and ca not work with it

not damn hp

[dreamy relic]

Fair enough

[oblique dust]

i would be glad if you guys reach 2500-2700 range

before talking about balance

damn tesla is pretty much

one of the weakest card

in meta

[pale raven]

This is the same mindset the entire balance team had when you made your sh*tty doc

[oblique dust]

like when i see tesla i say yeah guraanted win coming

[pale raven]

With the sicklewrath change

[oblique dust]

they still have same minsend lmao

[pale raven]

"10 gold per kill to make them scavengers"

What was that lol

[oblique dust]

it wasnt me

it was jon

than it got deleted by

spas

later

[dreamy relic]

Honestly seems like something that you would make

[oblique dust]

also it was doc of spas

NOT ME

serious learn a shitt before blame me

[dreamy relic]

Nuh Uh

[pale raven]

FAM

I changedd all your crappy english

[oblique dust]

also you were talking about where we are devaring

[oblique dust]

not all of em mine lmao

both me and

jon

was ahving bad englisj

[pale raven]

A lot of them were

[pale raven]

Jon formats his stuff

[oblique dust]

jon didint back then

[pale raven]

You put it all in a blob

[dreamy relic]

What is "devaring"

[oblique dust]

debating

[pale raven]

I think he wanted to say debating

[dreamy relic]

Debtting lol

[dreamy relic]

Oka

[oblique dust]

sickles are just dumb they need whole reworks archer changes should be done differently thx to how scaling work shadows is dumb as g magikill need whole rework not a damn magikill minion nerf kytchu dont need damage nerf also dodge is problem vamp stats suck secret tunel owerbuffed miner wall need other changes cw is fine vaulth is dumb ulliminate changes menaingless projectile barier most balanced speel already tesla is balanced

@pale raven

here

[pale raven]

Couggh cough cough

[oblique dust]

if you dont belive me o ntesla i can beat you more than 10 way

[pale raven]

You literally said 90% of the things I already said

[oblique dust]

so basicly all changes are suck

[oblique dust]

i still prefer people dont talk

without reaching 2500

you was blaming things i say

[pale raven]

It has been over 2 years since I met you, and your english is still just as bad

[oblique dust]

welp-

[pale raven]

What are you trying to say here

[oblique dust]

you was basicly going againist first things i say

also you dony even told half of things isay

[pale raven]

Send ss of me doing that

[oblique dust]

you told to many damn maybe and yes

while i told no to everything

[pale raven]

Because you only think things can be solved in one way.

Archidon damage can get nerfed to 9, but I would not support it

[dreamy relic]

On miner wall, it's a goddamn wall, it shouldn't even have damage in the first place

[pale raven]

I prefer better scaling

[oblique dust]

there is more than 1 way

but the things this guy gave all are

cant solve

[pale raven]

It has spikes fam

[oblique dust]

you not even thinking outside of boss

just focus to problem

[pale raven]

Damage is only applied if a unit runs into the wall

[dreamy relic]

Still

Shouldn't even have damage

[pale raven]

...

Why

[dreamy relic]

It's a goddamn wall

Purely defensive

[oblique dust]

why wall deal

[dreamy relic]

Also, how the fck would it having damage even be useful without making it op?

[oblique dust]

goddamn damage

[dreamy relic]

Yeah

Why?

What does it even need damage for?

[oblique dust]

im fine with goddamn damage

but 2why

atleast give a reason

[dreamy relic]

Same

[pale raven]

Y'all are SPED

[oblique dust]

what

[pale raven]

IT IS PLACED ON AN ANGLE

[oblique dust]

and so?

my guy hiting it

with a pike

and it gona lose hp?

[pale raven]

That does not make sense

[oblique dust]

...

[pale raven]

The damage system for it is funky

[oblique dust]

mf my guy far away from wall

even swords hit from long range

there is no way

damn wall can do any damage

[oblique dust]

damage not needed

just make it placable on base

so it actualy get fuction

nerf both ca and tower

on a spesific amount

change magikill blast

than here

we got goddamn balanced turtle

[dreamy relic]

Balanced turtle yay

[oblique dust]

will not happen any soon anyway

[dreamy relic]

[oblique dust]

im waiting for general rework come

atreyos alreayd very fun

after rework

spearos rework seem op

i have 0 knowladge about kytchu and archis

[pale raven]

Imo, I feel it should be more combat wall instead. Give it much more damage, build much faster and give it more damage protection from range

[dreamy relic]

Spearos back into the meta?

[oblique dust]

its a goddamn wall

[dreamy relic]

Tf you on

[oblique dust]

not a chaos turret

its job of chaos turret

not goddamn wall

[oblique dust]

also are yo ufuckingg serious

[dreamy relic]

This is why I longer trust you with balancing stuff

[oblique dust]

wall already take %50 damage

from ranged attack

[pale raven]

65%

I want 65%

[dreamy relic]

NO

[oblique dust]

yeah lets make archers deal fuckingg 3 damage

[pale raven]

But health of wall stays same

[pale raven]

Yeah

[oblique dust]

so any deck with ranged unşt

become useless as f

and mele eunits die

very good balance knowladge

[pale raven]

It is 10 damage every 10 seconds lol

(What I want)

[oblique dust]

its not goddamn 10

its fuckingg 5 second

[pale raven]

Whops

Miss type

Still, 10 dmg every 5 seconds

[dreamy relic]

Wall could fck over melee due to only ripps and giants being able to shield with such low range forecast moving infront and it's most commonly used with magikill

[oblique dust]

i was watching my non vamo swords die to current wall

[dreamy relic]

Don't make it better against ranged too

[oblique dust]

civil seriously even fan ideas guy know game better than you

[dreamy relic]

I feel pride in that statement

[pale raven]

🖕

[oblique dust]

play damn game and reach 2600

than talk about balance

[pale raven]

This is a garbage take

[oblique dust]

this consider both of u guys

[oblique dust]

more u play

more u see

and u actualy realize

things not op

you just dont know to answer

[dreamy relic]

Btw, speaking of 2600, give me more time.

[oblique dust]

like you can stop whole tesla splash

with goddamn 1 spearton

[pale raven]

So, you think current Spirit spawns are balanced?

[oblique dust]

i can give time but for it i will remove reward

[oblique dust]

yes

one thing

both spirit

and dead

shouldnt be bought in same time

[dreamy relic]

MF you said that volt splash is OP

[oblique dust]

one should move to bastion

[oblique dust]

it is

with thunder

with tesla you just need knowladge

[pale raven]

So they are not balanced?

[oblique dust]

without knowladge its even more deadlier

[oblique dust]

even on this station its hella easy to beat

but yes

unbalanced

on 1 way

[dreamy relic]

That's a different thing

[oblique dust]

you can buy both of them in same time

[dreamy relic]

Double ts is very different from the tower spawns individually

[pale raven]

No, it ain't

[oblique dust]

civil trying everything for win converstation

both tower spawns are balanced by themselves

just double spawner buy thing is problematic

and even on that station

its easy to beat

[pale raven]

You don't take in account 95% of the playerbase because "SkIlL iSsUe"

[oblique dust]

when ucing spearton to

other side of tesla

considered as skill

its even more simplier than fixate break

[pale raven]

Lets 1v1

You do tower stall

[oblique dust]

ah yes people on cr learn to counter damn cards

[pale raven]

I will do the thing you said

[oblique dust]

ok

btw

tesla alwasy target

lowest voltaic targeted

unit

[pale raven]

Lets try

[oblique dust]

ok

(i didint played stall for long time)

[pale raven]

(I am still gonna lose)

[oblique dust]

most likely

im just gona use deck

mause made

yeah i have yo update-

[pale raven]

Bruh

I just updated this morning

[oblique dust]

lmao

im udpating rn

[oblique dust]

i dont play sw3 regularly anymore

[oblique dust]

just goddamn uc spearton to other side of tesla

and make sure tesla target him

lets go

[pale raven]

Sure

Lol

[oblique dust]

i sent rematch

click goddamn this

[pale raven]

I did

[oblique dust]

uh

game buıgged

[pale raven]

Yeah

...

[oblique dust]

i dont even stalled tower-

[pale raven]

I hate rips

Try again

Imma use a deck I know how to plauy

[oblique dust]

if turtle you damned

if steamroll

you even more damned

[pale raven]

I have a soul

[dreamy relic]

Gib deck

[pale raven]

Nuh uh

[oblique dust]

if rush i even more damned you

[pale raven]

Steamroll good

[inner night]

can i add something to this archidon pop 3->4

[pale raven]

I no damned

[oblique dust]

yeah im just gona cook you

[inner night]

cuz eclipsor so dam strong

[dreamy relic]

No.

[dreamy relic]

How tf does that relate

[oblique dust]

its why i love cj not check

fan ideas channel

[inner night]

i mean archidon

not eclipsor

eclip so usleess

[dreamy relic]

Doesn't warrant decreasing their pop efficiency by an entire 33%

[dreamy relic]

Bruh no

[inner night]

the best deck i ve seen rn in master rank is eclip with rage

thats all..

GARBAGE

[dreamy relic]

Wha

Fym

[oblique dust]

dumbo i told you make tesla target a unit

than go away

with army

[pale raven]

Bruh

[oblique dust]

you straight up ramming with full hp unit

[pale raven]

I also messed up my tesla cast

[oblique dust]

instead of you

[pale raven]

I didn't mean to use it on the rip stack

[oblique dust]

i can get red if of tesla

anyway

only thing i have to is make whole army stay away from tesla

make tesl target 1 rip

and make thart rip attack archers

good enging

my swords safe

and my rip dying from tesla base damage

[inner night]

nah tesla is balanced

spearcher arrow playstyle is boring asf

sickle should be 10 to 7s

shadow wrath no need to change type bonus kytchu is reasonable, also volley no work on statue too

[bronze lily]

Current tesla is fckin cancer.

[dreamy relic]

Current sw3 is fcking cancer

[tropic void]

What happen to this post while I was away?

[sharp crater]

I came back to this post and there were like 200+ messages on this lol

[elder trellis]

thats how fan ideas goes lol

[oblique dust]

because of how much bonus tower give

[lethal lynx]

Tp to top
Sickle buff....
Hmmm...
I think it's ok but it might be way too strong without my knowing
I think it's a bit too strong making sickle deal 8 to light but since they are pretty easy to kill I think it's ok..

Archer nerf no one will reject this

Ok so making the shadows an anti heavy dps...
I think it's ok
After all they're kinda expensive
Reducing the training time by 1 second isn't much but it kinda builds up so I'm not arguing
Minion cooldown increase everyone likes that

Didn't know volley didn't reset
Also health nerfs for kytchu is good

Vampiric soul might be getting some use again....
But I don't know

I don't think secret tunnel needs a buff
I think it's ok

Miner wall I kinda want to agree but not at the same time
It's weird

No don't give vault the old
+100 starting gold
100 gold can make it break a game these days

Illuminate is....
I dunno it still seems weak

Tesla coil is ....
I don't know
Maybe make it so you can capture the tower while it'd active

[oblique dust]

ok fuckk yoıu

[lethal lynx]

????
What did I do?

[solar socket]

Tp to top

[sharp crater]

Revive

[lofty seal]

i think vault needs that +100 gold buff

[tropic void]

In it's current state, yeah mostly agree.

[sonic dirge]

I'm no multiplayer player but I'm getting scared about the effect of that on crawler start

[elder trellis]

100g literally does nothing for crawler start, can already go double crystal, sometimes even triple

now swordstart and archer start would get a big boost

[dreamy relic]

Spear start

[obtuse field]

I remember when vault still had that 100 gold boost, early Riprider won me 500+ elo (it was back when ripps costed 600/100)

[elder trellis]

its hard to get pre-1m rip now but can probably do so without wrecking your eco w/ even 50g extra

[lethal lynx]

You can get two archers at the start with that much gold lol
Forget trying to take middle against a vop archer spammer at that point
Heck vop is gonna make miners basically unnecessary for the archer spammer since the spammer is getting gold from hoarding it and archers are relatively very good at surviving to the end game

[lofty seal]

Double archers wasn't much of a problem back in the day

[dreamy relic]

Double archer is a bad idea

You still need to get miners for eco

[lofty seal]

That's exactly why it wasn't much of a problem

[elder trellis]

tbh VoP means no cw which means crawlers can kill, I'd be more afraid of the early rip shutting down everything

[lofty seal]

simple solution remove rips

[trail tapir]

SW3 is hell now

but getting bored from it keep you safe!

[dreamy relic]

What card should I use for my 3 cards spearspam challenge

VoP isn't working

[trail tapir]

Spearton
Miner
~~mana burst ~~ I mean Pike. Yes

[dreamy relic]

Idk about the late-game tho

[trail tapir]

abuse tower zap

[dreamy relic]

I have no eco cards, which means that I could run out of gold

How 💀

[trail tapir]

IDK

I guess go spearton tower

IDK

[dreamy relic]

I need speartons to hold onto tower, if I try to hold onto tower, they'll likely die, if I want to save my spears, I'll have to give up tower

[dreamy relic]

Uh, how, I already chose pike

[trail tapir]

IDK

3 slots is just suffer 😭

[dreamy relic]

My plan with vop was miner rushing after setting up VoP, unfortunately, it didn't work

Maybe I should increase it to 4...

[trail tapir]

now that can work

a bit

[dreamy relic]

I'll go pike VoP

VoP to not run out of gold at the end, pike for DPS

[trail tapir]

Spearton
miner
~~mana brust ~~ Pike
~~rage ~~ Vop or Smithy

[dreamy relic]

Which would be better, VoP or smithy?

[trail tapir]

VoP if eco managment

Smithy if you know you will lose lots of units

[trail tapir]

VoP if you can save units while smithy if you lose units

[dreamy relic]

Oka

Snow squall is a life saver

Hmm

Since my plan is to turtle the level out of resources, I'll go with pike squall

Squall is just too good

[trail tapir]

also, UC the backline spears

because they are too dumb to do anything

[dreamy relic]

With pike, they have enough range

[trail tapir]

oh

[dreamy relic]

It's the main reason why I'm using pike tbh

[trail tapir]

hope CJ don't add the spearton animation that might nerf their attack speed while you are doing the challenge

[elder trellis]

for 3slot spear challenge you could run monstrosity

[dreamy relic]

You can't unlock mono in campaign

[elder trellis]

mono doesnt affect spear anyway lol

[trail tapir]

anyways, we are getting off topic

[trail tapir]

Meow

[lethal lynx]

Welp
I slept at 9 by accident and now I'm awake at 2:42 in the morning
Fantastic.....

[elder trellis]

so yeah thays something i think a lot of balance changes dont think about, the affects it has on campaign

[trail tapir]

cool!

[oblique dust]

its good idea vs rush

[dreamy relic]

How the hell you gonna have eco tho

[oblique dust]

basicly

1 archer

1 miner

[dreamy relic]

Wouldn't it be better to go archer miner miner, and then get another archer

[oblique dust]

2 more miner

1 more archer

[trail tapir]

Sometimes 2 archers is better than 1 archer and spearton

[dreamy relic]

That's what I'm talking about

[trail tapir]

sometimes

[dreamy relic]

This is with +100 starting gold VoP

Going archer archer

With no miners

[trail tapir]

When level 32 spearspam with 4 slots?

[dreamy relic]

Idk

But I recorded level 33 with no-tech spearspam

[sharp crater]

Revive cause why not