Shade

[spiral lantern]

hell nah, i'm not waiting that long for my wife

A Light, fast, melee General of the Order Empire that is the Founder and Leader of the Shadowrath.

Enables Shadowraths to train 25% faster. (not written in description, but Shadowraths cost deduction from 450/150 -> 410/120.)

Stats:
Cost: 700/250
Health: 500
Damage: 20 (+18L)
DPS: 22.5
Speed: Shadowrath
Pop & Training time: 08v10u5

Shadow Fixate: Consecutive attacks on a target deal a +6 damage each stack, with a limit of 4 stacks. (Passive)

Shadow Sight: The first attack on one enemy will mark it as a target and the next continuous strikes will aim for the target until it dies or getting out of combat for 12 seconds. (Passive) (AI-controlled Shade will always chase after target if it moves out of range.)

Parry: (ctrl+c) (ctrl+v)

Shadow Cloak: Turn invisible, rendering self untargetable for the enemy for a maximum of 30 seconds. Attacking an enemy during this form will end it early, but it deals an additional 18 damage and inflicts 3 poison damage. (Requires Temple I) (35s CD, starts after Shinobi ends. also this time she has a Shinobi voiceline like SW2 Shadowrath, but in her cute voice instead)

Shadow Illusion: Create 2 uncontrollable clones of herself that distract enemies but has no health and damage. Clones can take either 4 light hits, 3 heavy hits or 5 projectiles each. (25s CD)

[shrewd blaze]

The clones sound really weak but everything else seems alr

[spiral lantern]

how 2 buff

they literally tank free damage

[rare mica]

nah bc it got hit point hp instead of hp

hm..

[shrewd blaze]

Oh that's what it meant. I thought they could only take 5 hits from any enemy and die

[spiral lantern]

that's what i meant-

[rare mica]

if clones thing can tank, can be op in some moments

if you trying to say or

breh : confused :

[spiral lantern]

hold enemies back temporarily while she/her army retreat

[rare mica]

btw creates 3 clones?

[spiral lantern]

how many works

[rare mica]

💀

nah its op

can be op than u might be able to expect

[spiral lantern]

free DPS

anyways how 2 nerf

[rare mica]

some smart ppl will use em to make e giants dum or canceling some of the skills

like stand in damage canceling

(by using them as meat shield)

[spiral lantern]

so i reduce the amount of clones or reduce the hits needed to take down 1

[rare mica]

or can tank small giant hits for 5 times(around 15 second tanking)

hm..

btw i think others are ok

some ppl might try using snow squall x shade if with this ability

[spiral lantern]

how about locking clones behind upgrades

[rare mica]

requirement wont be bad too

maybe make it allowed to use when temple upgraded?

[spiral lantern]

but then shinobi would need to be free cuz if not she'll be too expensive

[rare mica]

kytchu/archis/xiphos/atreyos/spearos being slightly more expensive so dw about those part

[spiral lantern]

o

damn i removed shinobi requirement

bruh

bruh

[rare mica]

(count 50 crystal= 100 gold since miner bags collect 100 golds or 50 crystal)

[spiral lantern]

then she'll be 1025

[spiral lantern]

spearos cheap

atreyos hella expensive

[rare mica]

kytchu/archis/xiphos -> 600 gold/200 crystal (1000)

atreyos 900 gold/ 200 crystal(1300)

zarek 400 gold 400 crystal (1200)

and etc yeah

[spiral lantern]

counting temple

[rare mica]

spearos 500 gold 300 crystal (1100)

[spiral lantern]

i thought 650

he needs temple so 800

[rare mica]

1200 since 700 gold and 250 crystal(500)

[spiral lantern]

oh

i fucked-

my

cals

calculations

bruh

[rare mica]

i mean without temple considering-

[spiral lantern]

hudhuaflkjoawhjfllajdokfjakljwdokjafklhdcablekhhelp

[rare mica]

yeah so costs are fine

its in average among generals

just prob illusion and speed changes(bit nerf), then prob ill be balanced

and add parry in shade

[spiral lantern]

ok

is it good now?

you didn't specify what aspect i should nerf in illusion so i just reduced the clone number

speed is ok now, and parry is there (except, i don't remember the description, but i guess just remember the ability by yourself.)

[rare mica]

1 clone might be fine

[rare mica]

(100gold = 50 crystal)
gold/crystal (total)

archis 600/200 (1000)
kytchu 600/200 (1000)
xiphos 600/200 (1000)
spearos 500/300 (1100)
atreyos 900/200 (1300)
thera 200/400 (1000)
zarek 400/400 (1200)
marrowkai 400/400 (1200)

heres the list tho

[spiral lantern]

2 obv for enemy

how about 5 hits -> 4/3 hits only

[rare mica]

maybe might be good too

[spiral lantern]

i buffed it again

i'm not sorry

[high arrow]

500 hp is too much

Damage too low

DPS too, speed increase would make pairing CW with her more efficient
Wtf is the pop and training time

Have nothing to say for shadow fixate and parry, it's just the average shadowrath thing
Shadow cloak would make CW even more useful with her, this would also make statue sniping more viable in SD since enemy can't stop you (holding units at statue could work)
Also Poison duration is infinite, so you didn't need to add the fact that the duration is same as tdeads (as teached by FIG)
40s is a bit of a stretch don't you think

Why is shadow illusion even needed when you will only get her and temple mid-late game on a multiplayer match above plat?
Enemy would demolish those clones in less than a second

[spiral lantern]

never played a single match above plat

i'm silver

[high arrow]

☠️

Same lol

I'm Gold

Barely play 1v1 and play daily's everyday

And do quests

[spiral lantern]

what's wrong wtih DPS, and why are you asking about pop and training time

[high arrow]

Dps may be too low

[spiral lantern]

fix

ate

[high arrow]

She has lower dps than marrowkai

[spiral lantern]

but ok, so you just want faster attack speed?

[high arrow]

I do think what's the point of adding pop and training in general posts when everyone knows it's just gonna be 9 pop and 50s tt

[high arrow]

Higher damage with higher attack speed

[spiral lantern]

that's why i said obvious

i'm just following a format tho 🤷

[high arrow]

Fair

Lower HP too, she can tank as much as jugg even though she has 2 escape abilities lmao

[spiral lantern]

🤓 ☝️ erm actually technically juggs can tank more because they have regen

but ok, i reduced

since Xiphos also had that much, i thought 500 was a good number

[high arrow]

Can he escape an army that killed all 20 of his swords

[spiral lantern]

idk

leap squall run

[high arrow]

500 hp is well deserved, he has no abilities that give him an advantage at surviving when going full atack and losing everyone

[spiral lantern]

oh i see

so is 400 fair enough

[high arrow]

[spiral lantern]

so what changes do you recommend to add to illusion

to make it, uh, not useless

[high arrow]

If you want it to be temple required then buff hit points taken or increase clone number
If you want it to be an ability that appears once she's trained then lower CD a little bit

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Top

[spiral lantern]

used to be not locked behind anything, 3 clones and 5 hits each

[high arrow]

22 damage is like giving your wife coal for valentines day

[spiral lantern]

cuz she gets like 24 more at max

i know it's easy to prevent and stuff but still

[high arrow]

Lol, fine

This is a solid

[spiral lantern]

used to be 8x3 before i realized it's too biased and reduced it to 6x4

[high arrow]

xD

This is going to be new kytchu-like meta if it gets added

[spiral lantern]

:(

kyschu

i tried my hardest to make her not op

[high arrow]

58 dmg with CW and max stack..

I don't think that's good-

[spiral lantern]

(orginal plan was to give her a free use, stronger, lower cooldown Illuminate, but then i realized illuminate is useless no matter how i put it and replaced it with clone)

[spiral lantern]

there's a way to reset stacking i think

i'm not sure

[high arrow]

She's at the level of archis, not actually kytchu

She's middle in between both of them

(And they're both op)

[spiral lantern]

you called her damage low b4

how did that turn-

[high arrow]

I just read it again and found out about the 6x4 stack

[spiral lantern]

bruh

[high arrow]

Lmaoo

[spiral lantern]

so back to 20 damage again or lower

[high arrow]

The damage is fine as it is

[spiral lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-meme-gif-26978290

[spiral lantern]

so nerf the stacking stuff?

[high arrow]

She only does like 46 without CW right?

[spiral lantern]

i have no idea nor did i consider how she'd be used with CW

[high arrow]

Her with CW with be equivalent to commiting mass genocide

Understandable

[spiral lantern]

make shadowspam great again (was it ever? idk)

[high arrow]

Her 10% shadowrath speedboost coupled with CW it's basically crawler speed

[spiral lantern]

oh-

so normal shadowrath?

[high arrow]

It was

[spiral lantern]

it used to be shadowrath + rage (how much was rage boost? i have no idea)

[high arrow]

25% as said in-game

5s

[spiral lantern]

should i nerf

to normal shadowrath speed

or like +5%

[high arrow]

Actually

[spiral lantern]

so basically she requires a near-removal mythic to be op, but then if without it she's kinda bad

[high arrow]

Yes

She's only good at situations like Killing enemy statue hp with cloak, and making escape ways

Also making shadowrip more viable

Or shadowspear

[high arrow]

Mid at best, not better than xiphos

[spiral lantern]

"nice abilities, but you're here for the training boost"

[high arrow]

Her damage is too low, and I realized you have to stay at one unit to be able to deal max damage, which is basically lower than every general with their light unit or heavy unit damage boost

Her backline sniping would also be bad since you gotta avoid knocking archidons back

[spiral lantern]

should she get 220 damage and 284 dps

jk

jk

jk

[spiral lantern]

(why those numbers? do your own research)

[high arrow]

25 (+20L) and 28 dps would be good

[spiral lantern]

absolute backline killer

jk

[high arrow]

Statue snoiper

And spy

(She can go invisible and go to enemy territory to view them, making illuminate even more useless)

[spiral lantern]

yessir

[high arrow]

Ending kytchu or archis early 🗣️

[spiral lantern]

yez

[high arrow]

She needs to attack with only 5 hits to kill them with CW 💀

Coupled with her speed they are NOT escaping

[spiral lantern]

except i made it 25 +22.0L and 28.4 DPS because i absolutely have to include 220 and 284

[spiral lantern]

clones to distract minions and murder magikills

[high arrow]

☠️

Now she's actually a kytchu competitor 🗣️

[spiral lantern]

so suggest nerfs

[high arrow]

(Kytchu still better unfortunately)

[high arrow]

Make shadow cloak for temple I

And nerf shadowrath boost to 20%

Make speed normal shadow

[spiral lantern]

y, xiphos gets 25-

[high arrow]

Because swords are cheap

[spiral lantern]

speartons aren't cheap and atrocious gets 30

[high arrow]

Atrocious

Make it 25% then

[spiral lantern]

how about atrgayos

[high arrow]

After my last night stand with him, could be

[spiral lantern]

ehem

what

[spiral lantern]

top

[cursive wyvern]

@verbal basalt @sullen bone @quaint echo @muted leaf

[verbal basalt]

TP to top

Anyways, crazy ass DPS

49 damage per hit with max fixate and no forge or +L bonus, not to mention the pretty fast attack speed too

Can 2 shot archers without needing forge on all armory levels, and 3 shot unupgraded spellcasters with forge 1 (excluding fixate too)

[cursive wyvern]

I guess this version of Shade heavily focused on the pick vital units but I can see the damage is quite absurd.

[verbal basalt]

but the squishiness makes her TRASH for backline sniping

She is in the 2 extremes of general backline sniping

Too much DPS, but also way too little beefiness for it

You can get her pretty fast too

Yeah this is unbalanced

[cursive wyvern]

Even with her two abilities that help her got to the backline easily?

[verbal basalt]

Shadow clones won't tank enough for her to properly backline snipe and getting to the backline is the easier part of backline sniping with general, the hard part is staying alive

[cursive wyvern]

Oh yeah after taking out one or two units the enemy just focus fire on her then wait for the respawn time.

[verbal basalt]

Anyways, I'mma go play ranked now

[cursive wyvern]

Hope you don't encounter meta decks that much.

[verbal basalt]

Met a few players trying to abuse OP sht, but still won with joke decks

[spiral lantern]

how do i nerf------------

i mean, how do i make it balanced

[verbal basalt]

Unbalanced ≠ op

[verbal basalt]

Give her actual survivability, but also decrease her DPS

[spiral lantern]

400 -> 500 hp?

[verbal basalt]

Yeah

• giving her passive lifesteal or heal on kill

So that she can actually backline snipe

The Shinobi is also kinda weak

[spiral lantern]

ves you harmed me

[spiral lantern]

so how 2 buf

[verbal basalt]

More damage or poison

So that the long cooldown is actually worth it for sniping

or give it a feature where shade is able to lock onto a target for a certain duration and will hit nothing else but that one target even if the target runs into an unit horde to meatshield

[cursive wyvern]

Wow they really are pathetic.

[muted leaf]

The giga chad is real!!!