Reworkingg bastion fog of war and spell cast postions

[warm bluff]

Cant post this idea for some reason gonna do it in comments to see if that fixes it

<Teir 1: allows miners to build Teir 1 structures>

Overseer; gives vision without having units in a position. can be killed. Max of 5. 15 hp each. Costs 50 crystal and drain 1 crystal a second to maintain.

barracade; 50 hp wall that covers a quarter of the feild. Max of 3. Cost 125 gold.

Light trap; does 10 damage hits 5 enemies. No max. 5hp. Cost 100 gold. Takes 3 crystal per sec to maintain. Cant be targeted if you still have crystal

<Teir 2: allows miners to build Teir 2 structures>

Rocky wall; 600 hp. Covers entire feild. Max of 3. Cost 300 gold to build. Can be repaired by miners.

Heavy trap; 50 dmg. Cost 100 gold. Takes 3 crystal per sec to maintain. No max. Cant be targeted if you still have crystal

Mines and walls dont provide vission. Mines and walls can take damage from aoe and spells. When out of crystal mines wont detonate. Traps need to be manualy detonated.

Mining engineer changed to: walls and mines give 1 crawler length of vission. Miners can build "medium traps" from the begining of the match. does 25 dmg to 2 enemies, 100 gold cost, 3 crystal to maintain. Barracade gains stats of miner wall teir 1. Teir 3 miner walls can be built after Teir 2 of bastion is aquired.

Fog of war rework: units have a set sight range, how much fog of war they can clear out. Some units can shoot farther than they can uncover fog of war requiring actual unit combos rather than just spam
Number = crawler lengths of vission

Ripp 2
All non magical generals 3
Jugg 3
Tdead 3
Archidon 3
Spear 3
Sword 3
Crawlers 4
Deads 6
Sickle 6
All magical generals 7
magikill 8
Egiant 8
Meric 10
Eclip 10
Giant 10

Spells can only be cast between the 2 farthest allies units. For example, you need to move a unit into their backline to cast a spell on the enemy back line, if your farthest back unit dies, you can no longer cast a spell there, acid rain/ tesla needs an allied unit on both sides of tower to begin the spell

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@sudden wave

@unborn zephyr

@rugged lotus

Misinput

Did NOT mean to ping rynn

[unborn zephyr]

WAH

Fam spelt tier wrong

"teir"

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Oof

Ah well

[rugged lotus]

I read it anyway

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Th

Thanks

[rugged lotus]

Ngl

This one is either crap or mid

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The bastion part

Or the fog of war / spell part

[rugged lotus]

Ik it's empire tech but

[rugged lotus]

Idk

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I can get ppl who dont like my bastion ides

But the vision one i feel is actualy good

[shy herald]

Absolutely demolishes scorch and makes archidon much more hard to attack, makes the game more based on development then fighting which is a good thing

But the traps mess it up

It makes defenders always have a much stronger advantage then attackers

A developed tower would be almost impossible to take because of all the traps and walls

And kytchu tower volley would rain supreme

I recommend having a max of two for each trap

And if we are really doing this

Make offensive buildings as well

That spawn units

Like a swordwrath barrack and a spearton barrack that act like weaker tower spawns

But then again assuming this the enemy can also do this and balance it out

That’s the issue

It promotes heavy defense and makes attacking almost impossible

I think too balance this

Whatever is drained from maintaining your buildings

Is given to the enemy 50%

So turtles fuel their enemy to build a more offensive build

I really like this idea but it does need some revisions

Just change the spells to be applicable in the current way and range they are but make the visual fog changes

To prevent spell sniping but not nerf so many spells

[warm bluff]

Oh that is fair

[warm bluff]

No i dont feel like thats a good idea

[warm bluff]

I also disagree here

Offensive buildings would be too opressive

I want sw3 to be slower paced and more economy focussed

I think it should be way more methodical thats just rhe kind of gamrs i like so

[shy herald]

Well then how do you fix the problem

[warm bluff]

Its not an issue

Offensive structiures aren an issue

If they dont exist

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Plz react 🥺

[shy herald]

This is a issue

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It takes a long way to move a miner to the front line and easier for a defender to move miners to protect their statue

[shy herald]

Literally why it’s a issue

Attackers can’t use building to take

Defenders can use buildings

As such

Defenders will always be way stronger

So it’s almost impossible to push a fortified area

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You need to push to win the game

If you let your oponent build on the tower

[sudden wave]

add anti kytchu missille!

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Then your losing because you made a mistake

If you as an attacker dont defend

And you lose you lose because of a mistake

Alls fair i think

[shy herald]

That’s the issue

One mistake and your literally screwed with no return

Impossible to ever make a comeback you might as well resign the second the enemy has buildings at tower

Because you literally cannot win no matter unless your enemy somehow supremely fumbles the bag

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bag

[shy herald]

People were mad about sudden death because it prevents comebacks and leads to unfair conclusions, this will only amplify that problem

Without offensive buildings to balance it out there’s no tiebreaker to get into tower

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shut

[warm bluff]

No offensive buildings are not with the stye of rts that stick war is,

Infact

If offensiev builfingd were that good

Why woudknt the tower user also use them?

But yes i will make offensive buildings

I do have some that could fit with sw3s game play loop

[shy herald]

If offensive buildings aren’t with the style

Why do we have stuff like spearton spawn

Dead spawn

[warm bluff]

They are broken

They dont fit

[shy herald]

Acid rain

Brother you don’t decide the style of the game the devs do, they are adding these cards for a reason

[warm bluff]

Again jt doesnt fit, it breaks up the game and is a lazy/ unpolished card, usless against chaos, usless against any healing, but op against order no healing decks

[shy herald]

Your opinion that it doesn’t match is purely yours

[acoustic wren]

It's not purely his

[shy herald]

If they wanna take the game in that direction then it’s just not that type of game anymore

[warm bluff]

Bruh... why we dont have a barracks structure like in starcraft is becayse sw3 isnt a building rts, we dont build unit factories because WE build units NOT a structure

[acoustic wren]

Acid rain, and poison in general, don't fit sw3

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Ok do you build a barracks to build T1 units? No sw3 have no technology levels and no buildings that train units, we have no structures aside from wall which is purely defensive

We have upgrades yes, but those are base stats and unlocks abilities for GENERALS

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I also didnt say that i dictate what kind of game sw3 is

My idea impliments more general rts game features into the game,

[shy herald]

I mean that’s besides the point

[warm bluff]

More static defense

[warm bluff]

No it isnt, you want offensive buildings, thats an example of an offensive building

[shy herald]

My point isn’t what it is now, it’s that they can take it in any direction

Examples of stuff like barracks exist tho

Magikill marrowkai the tower spawns

[warm bluff]

Im talking about the starcraft 2 barracks that can make marrines and other biological units

[warm bluff]

They are units

Not structures

You can also only make 1 unit with those

[shy herald]

Stuff like not buildings like

Well

I mean

[warm bluff]

You cant make magikills with kai and cant make walls with kills and stuff

[shy herald]

Stick war isn’t StarCraft

And it shouldn’t be

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Yes exactly

[shy herald]

Otherwise just play StarCraft

[warm bluff]

Offensive buildings dont fit with sw3

[acoustic wren]

Barracks only makes units train faster, also people (mainly jonsnow, one of the best players) don't exactly like it

[shy herald]

Stick war shouldn’t have buildings at all because what makes the stick wars game stick war games is army based combat

[acoustic wren]

At all?

That's kinda stupid

Miner walls and miner turrets were a good idea tbh

[shy herald]

Why add turrets

We got all ranged units and Tesla

[acoustic wren]

Miner turret serves a different purpose

It's like an angry miner wall, which doesn't stop enemy units from passing through

And has range

[shy herald]

So basically eclipsors

[acoustic wren]

Stuff like miner walls and miner turrets (and the campfire post) I believe can work in sw3

[acoustic wren]

Nothing like eclipsors

[warm bluff]

It is an army based game yes, but adding buildings are an alternative form of gameplay, as sw3 is also a deck builder which means no tech switching, no adapting outside of switching up existing unit compositions, structures would offer an alternative way to play the game,

[shy herald]

Ranged

Let’s units past

[acoustic wren]

It's closer to tdeads than any other unit

[shy herald]

True

I mean turrets are just useless

[acoustic wren]

They're not

[shy herald]

Just use ranged units instead

[warm bluff]

Oh my god

This is the most

[shy herald]

The only difference is one takes population and can move and one doesn’t and is stationary

[warm bluff]

I do not posses the vocabular to express the hundreds of things i want to say

[warm bluff]

YES

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE

[acoustic wren]

Turrets and walls don't take up pop + don't have a queue + relatively cheap + can act as a meatshield (or a literal wall in case of miner walls)

[shy herald]

So why care

[warm bluff]

ONE IS INFINATE DPS TO POP RATIO

[shy herald]

So if you can have infinite

Explain

How tf is that balanced

[warm bluff]

1 dps ; 0 pop

[warm bluff]

BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO SET UP

[shy herald]

Like that matters

[acoustic wren]

You can't place infinite tho

[warm bluff]

Bruh

[shy herald]

You have a army to defend it

[acoustic wren]

It does

[shy herald]

And

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Pop to dps ratio

[shy herald]

On top of this

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???? Isntime not a factor to you?

[acoustic wren]

Also only miners can build it, so you have to sac a part of economy + miners are slow

[shy herald]

Build time for units is the same

[warm bluff]

Bruh. Units take up ques

Sturctures dont

[shy herald]

That’s a problem

[warm bluff]

????

[shy herald]

You can build ten turrets behind your front line mid combat

[warm bluff]

Again

Takes time

You need superiprity over the territory before then

Or you can be risky

And have actual stratagey

[shy herald]

Ok

Before I move on

[acoustic wren]

1. That would require 10 miners to not mine for quite some while which would fck your eco
2. They take gold to build
3. They have a max limit of 2

[shy herald]

How MUCH time

[shy herald]

K limit balances it

[warm bluff]

FIG you know more abt SE so

[acoustic wren]

Idk jacksht about SE either

[warm bluff]

Oh

[acoustic wren]

All my SE knowledge is just a 2 hour video of 75g vs antis

And just stuff that actual SE players said on this server

[shy herald]

It’s just pointless

[warm bluff]

Ok so... i say it takes miners to go and put defenses and that its fine because of the person getting pushed can use defensive buildings quicker and thats unballanced

I say the same thing

And you say its unballanced

And yes it has limits

It takes crystal to maintain these structures

[acoustic wren]

It's an extra line of defense, if CA/CD wasn't so broken, it would be balanced and have an actual reason to exist

[shy herald]

Like all adding this does is establish what units can already do but without population which offers nothing to the game besides promote turtling by adding to a turtles defense

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Its a way for miners to have a use late game and extend your defesnuve power beyond population

[shy herald]

It either has to be so weak it’s still possible to push if both are full population

[acoustic wren]

Offensive power too

[shy herald]

So makes it impossible to take anything

[acoustic wren]

Don't forget that in sw3, it'd be a card

So you'll have to sacrifice something else for it

[warm bluff]

Yes i get that its the tower issue but that can be applied to anythinf

Tower issue all over again

[sudden wave]

both ca and tower op

[acoustic wren]

Yep

Those 2 and SD need fixing first

[shy herald]

Yeah

[sudden wave]

i want buff cj first

[shy herald]

It ruins the game because it makes pushing impossible

[acoustic wren]

Nah, not impossible, more like too punishing

[shy herald]

The enemy can quite literally just be stronger when defending

[sudden wave]

attacking enemy base is suicade

unless you use fast units

[acoustic wren]

That's always been the case tbh

[sudden wave]

thats why i spam units

[warm bluff]

Literaly always??

Because units get to the front faster?

[acoustic wren]

In all sw games too

[shy herald]

True but that’s only for statue

[warm bluff]

If your an attacker it takes longer for your front line to replensih

[shy herald]

And for tower if you let them keep it for too long

[acoustic wren]

maybe except for sw1 and swl since you can't garrison only miners there

[warm bluff]

Tower has tesla and spawns and tunnel

[acoustic wren]

Nope, not just the statue

[shy herald]

Like you don’t also have spells

[warm bluff]

Rage, bubble, work against statue

[sudden wave]

goofy ah cj logic

[acoustic wren]

Everything is extra strong when on base, especially slow units, and especially egiants (overall ranged units tbh, mainly egiants and tdeads tho) and magikill

[sudden wave]

magigays at tower is guh

[shy herald]

To allow comebacks

You lose at center and get attacked, so the buffs help you come back to not make mistakes so fatal

[warm bluff]

Ok i hate whem people say magikill suck becuse they are too slow, just pace your army with your main dps force

[shy herald]

It’s not that

They suck because of how coubterable they are

[warm bluff]

Yes their survivability sucks because UC

Again

Make a formation

[sudden wave]

they suck because everythign else is op

[shy herald]

Not just that

[warm bluff]

UC magikill

Its a skill issue

Hold up i have to write an essay

Brb

[acoustic wren]

This is a problem with genuinely most units

[shy herald]

Put a take behind the magikill and they won’t be able to hit your army

[warm bluff]

Fair

[sudden wave]

uc.

reason why magiks are bad is sd

[warm bluff]

Uc a magikill

[sudden wave]

also kytchu op

[shy herald]

So one magikill will be useful

[warm bluff]

This

[acoustic wren]

UC the magikill, they're not immune to being UCed

[shy herald]

I gtg

[sudden wave]

you can always micro uc

them for

spam fullminate

[acoustic wren]

And you can use that one magikill to counter-snipe the enemy tank or at least push it in front of your magikill so they aren't distracted.. also you can UC a different magikill while that one is reloading fulminate

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Magikill snipe is aoe and stun

[sudden wave]

or you can get kytchu

[warm bluff]

Ah yes

[sudden wave]

which work 100x better than

a magikill

[warm bluff]

Magikill kycthu snipe cant be blocked

Without like idk giants / ripps

[acoustic wren]

Tbh magigiant synergizes much better than I originally thought

[sudden wave]

magigiant is gay

[warm bluff]

Its beutiful

[sudden wave]

its 2nd most braindead strategy

in game

[acoustic wren]

It's a pretty boy

[acoustic wren]

Wtf does that sentence mean

[acoustic wren]

Idk

[warm bluff]

Magikill require more skill than alot of units

[acoustic wren]

Unless in turtle

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Im a pretty boy

[sudden wave]

unless in turtle

[warm bluff]

Well yeah

[acoustic wren]

Then it becomes minion summoner simulator

[sudden wave]

tower summon simulator

[warm bluff]

Turtle really needs gameknowlege more than skill honestly

[sudden wave]

turtkle only need click hold command

than click attack command

while dead spam only need attack commanbd

[acoustic wren]

SD made turtle skilled

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SD killed it

[sudden wave]

it just made it useless

[warm bluff]

Well gmm

[sudden wave]

not skillfull

[warm bluff]

Hmm

It does take faster timing to get turtle up

[acoustic wren]

It now needs skill to be used offensively enough to win

[sudden wave]

i am rivers of blood corpses of mountain!

[warm bluff]

Like instead of striaght ecoing

[warm bluff]

Yeah

[sudden wave]

fun fact

you cant win

[acoustic wren]

Jokes on you

I have a win streak with HHW magigiant

[sudden wave]

yeah because under 2500 elo

[warm bluff]

[sudden wave]

which is low

[acoustic wren]

[warm bluff]

Hhw?? Giant??

[acoustic wren]

Shut

[warm bluff]

2500+ is literaly just speracherchu / alt boosting

[sudden wave]

i reached there with joke decks before

+shadowrip

[acoustic wren]

I used it as just a progression deck to unlock mono at first then I realized that it's actually kinda good

[sudden wave]

if i did

everyone can do

[warm bluff]

Like what joke de ks

Sickle spam?

[sudden wave]

archer spam

[acoustic wren]

So now I unironically main HHW archer start magigiant

[warm bluff]

Meric spam

[sudden wave]

no tank

or sickle riprider

[warm bluff]

[acoustic wren]

This MF just listing strats that aren't kytchu or swordripp

[warm bluff]

Honestly ive always wanted to try sickle ripp

[sudden wave]

wut

[warm bluff]

No wayy

[shy herald]

So just put tank back

It takes much more effort to fix the tank then do do it

[warm bluff]

I mean id like some proof

[sudden wave]

also i used sword t dead

[sudden wave]

i only have photo of me becoming 2600 elo

not deck

[acoustic wren]

I got a win with it on my main which is master rank currently

[sudden wave]

wanna 1v1

i can show that easier

[warm bluff]

Im stuck on mastwr on my main acc and diamond with my magiripp acc

[warm bluff]

Sure after i write this essay

[sudden wave]

oka

ping me when done

[acoustic wren]

Or you could just do the other thing I said

[sudden wave]

imma study chemisty

tf is rule of pauli

it not make sense

why im learning it

[acoustic wren]

I'm dedicated to reach GM with real turtle now

[sudden wave]

me usualy reaching 2050 with shadowrip

and its also turtle

[warm bluff]

God speed

[warm bluff]

Alr broski

[sudden wave]

are we gona play now?

[warm bluff]

No

[acoustic wren]

Just googled this, I don't understand a single thing

[warm bluff]

Also the skill difference is insane

[sudden wave]

turkish education system is great

[sudden wave]

me a bronze

[warm bluff]

A master rank would loose easily to 2500+

[acoustic wren]

Let me 1v1 him

[warm bluff]

Turkey banned discord becouse of some murderd right?

Or

Idk

[sudden wave]

goverment hate platforms where people unite againist president

so they cause some shitss

than ban apps

but murder is reason why its banned legally

[warm bluff]

Well it was their excuse but yeah

[sudden wave]

they planning to ban brawl stars lmao

[warm bluff]

😭😭

[sudden wave]

are u sure

[acoustic wren]

Tf did brawl stars do

[sudden wave]

im gona show no mercy

if we play

[acoustic wren]

Uh, okay, fine

[warm bluff]

Eh i hate the ppl wjo playxbrawl at my school but like not rnough to sau itnshould be banned

[sudden wave]

it have (anime characters inside) and it make kids go violance

lmao goverment also have beef with anime

[acoustic wren]

I'll switch out HHW for mono then

[sudden wave]

so they using anime as proof

and old guys in turkey have no idea what are they

[acoustic wren]

And do your strat
(spam miners and pray)

[sudden wave]

thet just trust goverment

[sudden wave]

lets go

[acoustic wren]

Get on game

[sudden wave]

me having 10 fğs

[acoustic wren]

Nice

That gives a chance to win

I'll change to 30 max fps

[sudden wave]

sent

[acoustic wren]

Update game

[sudden wave]

my google play dont work sadly

so imma dowload apk

[acoustic wren]

Okay

Do you have APK or should I make one?

[sudden wave]

imma just dowload

from apkpure

[acoustic wren]

APKPure is peak

[sudden wave]

i must settle my settings

every time i dowload apk

[acoustic wren]

That's annoying

[sudden wave]

i was almost losing a match

because my uc setting were different

and i was palying troll deck

[warm bluff]

So can you guys

Discuss

My idea

👉 👈

🥺

[acoustic wren]

I don't remember what the post is about tbh

💀

I came here to beef with fortnite

[sudden wave]

bad ideah

[warm bluff]

😭😭😭

[sudden wave]

because chybycowo is not a cow

[acoustic wren]

Schizo moment 🔥

[warm bluff]

Real

[sudden wave]

i still want my anti kytu missille

[acoustic wren]

Reasonable

[warm bluff]

Main idea

[sudden wave]

i want nuke kytu

riprider having less than spearton is crime lmao

[warm bluff]

What

Less than wjat

[acoustic wren]

World ablaze but single-target and targets specifically kytchu

[acoustic wren]

What?

[sudden wave]

viev range

[sudden wave]

world ablaze is acid rain

but fire

my emulator refuse to open sw3

[acoustic wren]

Now compress all of that AOE damage into single-target and throw it at kytchu

[acoustic wren]

💀

[warm bluff]

Ok but like please talk abt the fog of war rework maybe?

[sudden wave]

who wants to tell that she got stuck!

[sudden wave]

its a rework

[acoustic wren]

One question, why?

[acoustic wren]

Huh???

[warm bluff]

To make actual unit compositions even better

[sudden wave]

also why ripriders have less viev range than a fuckingg spearton

[sudden wave]

come to game

[acoustic wren]

Okay

[warm bluff]

Uhh balance reasons

[sudden wave]

speartons stronger than rips

[warm bluff]

Ripp move faster and can move through units easier

Can scout better

Yep

Thats why

Totaly

[acoustic wren]

GG

[sudden wave]

and thats why turtle is bad

cant answer a proper rushü

and i dont even have a early game unit

[sudden wave]

wanna go again

i want use another deck

[acoustic wren]

Okay

I'll use a different deck too

I don't even know what deck I'm using rn

[sudden wave]

we got a new forever friend

[acoustic wren]

I want to kill myself

[sudden wave]

why

[acoustic wren]

I lost to crawler spam

With kytchu spearcher

[sudden wave]

arent u did before

[sudden wave]

uh i dont even got forge 2 lmao

i was trying to get forge 2

so i can kill speartons 2x faster

[acoustic wren]

Last time, I didn't have spears, this time, I was using kytchu spearcher

[sudden wave]

thunder and deads help for kill speartons

[acoustic wren]

Spear block not affecting back shots really buffed crawlers DPS against them

[acoustic wren]

The PB UC was nasty 😭

[sudden wave]

uh wdym

its easy thing to do

hard thing was commanding damn rips

[acoustic wren]

It was evil though

[sudden wave]

yeah lmao

killing spearton is nı longer

imposible

i just need abuse hold command

[acoustic wren]

Hmm

Does that mean that crawlerripp is gonna become meta? Or at least have a chance at becoming meta?

Crawlerripp spellspam lol

[sudden wave]

uh idk