Hemos (previously known as Vamportoul)

[outer sleet]

Actually

[granite crest]

1650

[outer sleet]

With Armory 2 and Max Monstrosity?

[granite crest]

Yeah

[outer sleet]

How much HP does Armory 2 give btw?

Because that's gonna affect Vamportoul's Max Health too.

[granite crest]

About 220

Without mono

[outer sleet]

I was talking like

The percentage.

[granite crest]

20%

[outer sleet]

Of the Health Boost from Armory 2.

20%, ok.

Lemme make quick maths again.

So, if my calculations aren't wrong

Vamportoul with Armory 2 would have 900 HP.

The thing is, I don't know if Armory 2's Health Boost stacks over Armory 1's Health Boost but I don't think it does.

[granite crest]

It doesn't

[outer sleet]

Yeah I thought so.

Alright gimme a sec to math ts out.

Oh wow

Alright so

Yeah.

Way over a Full Heal for Vamportoul then.

(31 × 1650) × 2% = 1023

And since Vamportoul has 900 HP

Then that's 123 HP over.

Yeah I think CGiants synergize very well with Vamportoul I'll be fr.

The problem is Sudden Death.

It essentially restricts your ability to get that many CGiants.

And also the fact that your opponents might not even use CGiants.

[granite crest]

Not really

Egiants would be much better

They're much more likely to stay alive

[outer sleet]

How much HP does EGiants have with Armory 2 and Max Monstrosity?

[granite crest]

1425

[outer sleet]

Technically speaking it would be a Full Heal to Vamportoul because, you would probably use BA whenever he's like, 100 or a bit less HP.

With a 2v2 field with only EGiants and Vamportoul:

(31 × 1425) × 2% = 883.5 HP

[granite crest]

TP to top

[outer sleet]

And Vamportoul would have 900 with A2.

I think EGiants would synergize better then.

[granite crest]

Also don't forget the range

[outer sleet]

Sure it's less HP given for Vamportoul but like,
It's still a lot to where it's technically a Full Heal.

Yeah EGiants are range oriented and not melee oriented.

[granite crest]

I think shadows synergize the best with this

[outer sleet]

The thing is, it would be highly unlikely to have all the EGiants so close to eachother to where BA would hit every single EGiant.

[granite crest]

Because they get the most benefit from vamp and are undeniably the beefiest DPS unit

[outer sleet]

True.

[granite crest]

And they're melee too which means the BA range isn't much of a problem

[outer sleet]

I can make the math for how much BA would give with a field with only Shadows and him.

-# The thing is, idk how much pop a Shadow is but I think it's 5.

[granite crest]

Yeah

6 shadows with A1 is 1722 HP
2% of 1722 is 34

With vamp, shadows can regenerate that HP fast

And this is shadowripp + general shadow amount before miner sack and only A1

Other shadow decks could definitely get more shadows

Vamp also synergizes with temple

34 HP every 27 seconds really isn't bad, especially with the extra healing this has

[outer sleet]

Yeah Shadows actually might be the best unit to synergize well with Vamportoul.

[outer sleet]

Also I did the math, about 330 HP.

[granite crest]

Best synergy with vamp

[granite crest]

Oh yeah this is also only the 6 shadows

Not even mentioning the enemy

[outer sleet]

Yeah because the enemy will also have units that BA can take advantage of.

[granite crest]

34 every 27 seconds is about 1.26 HP/per second

Wait

Does it affect miners?

[outer sleet]

Of course.

They are units too no?

Friendly or enemy, they are still units.

[granite crest]

Oh that's vile

[outer sleet]

Lmao.

[granite crest]

Eminers can heal it off but what about the poor ominers

Wait it has a range

I keep forgetting

Nvm it's fine

[outer sleet]

I mean

It would still affect some if he's ever in the enemy base.

[granite crest]

Imagine a juggspam v juggspam battle with this lol

Btw you kinda need to update the range desc

Cuz spearos deep freeze range is wack now

[outer sleet]

Also, -1.8 HP for the OMiners is nothing.

[outer sleet]

How wacky is it

[granite crest]

It's either straight up infinite or less than/equal to meric range

[outer sleet]

So...

Do I just put like

Double the Meric Range now

[granite crest]

Yeah ig

[outer sleet]

Done.
TP to Top.

[median rain]

A thousand comments on this

[hollow berry]

We need a thousand more

[outer sleet]

We really don't, unless we have another discussion of comparing a weaker unit than Vamportoul to him himself.

[heady wren]

spearos is way better

u jus dont know how to use him

unless he can hit eclipsors

[granite crest]

Different purposes

Also this was before SD

And this would've been much better without SD since it's basically a free megatank

After you get him once

[heady wren]

im pretty sure it isnt

SD was early 2024 iirc

[granite crest]

Wha

This is

Actually not as old as I remember???

[heady wren]

its sep 2024

i quit sw3 at that time

and SD existed before i quit

[granite crest]

This genuinely feels like one of those ancient posts

My sense of time is absolutely fcked

[heady wren]

i dont feel the same

but u do u

[outer sleet]

I am pretty sure this was made like

A few weeks before SD was a thing.

Lemme see.

So this was September 24th 2024

When was SD released to the game?

[heady wren]

early 2024

before august for sure

[cold sparrow]

About 40% of Kytchu decks are Archspam

[heady wren]

no

[cold sparrow]

False. This is like saying a spearton uses poison and deads better than a juggerknight, which is a similar comparison stat-wise

[heady wren]

he does

[cold sparrow]

True

[heady wren]

surge spearos is a beast

[cold sparrow]

Untrue in some situations. In most card combos, Vampourtal could still function better. Only in certain situations is Spearos better

[heady wren]

tell me one card combo where spearos is worse

[cold sparrow]

Let’s keep it simple. Say you’re spamming archers an speartons along with him

Sure Spearos can deal with a lot of enemies, but it’s likely better to have an absolute tank that can do the exact same thing AND mitigate losses

And while there is a 500 gold difference in cost, realistically, if you’re getting generals, you have the miners to cover that

Another one is Deadspam

The reason that Vampourtal is better for Deadspam is the same reason why Juggerknights are better

And no, not TT

I’m not gonna take it into account

[heady wren]

he cant deal with a lot of enemies

you think he can deal with 2 giants?

spearos can

[cold sparrow]

If you’re running Acid Rain with either one, Vampourtal has better and more AOE, leading to more deads at a tome

[cold sparrow]

False. Someone can easily UC cycle the giants so Spearos never gets a hit in

I think there may be an extra card to counter that, but Vampourtal could feasibly tank and regain HP from these giants

Also, nobody runs giants anymore anyways. Overtime exists

Vampourtal isn’t a worse Spearos. He’s a less conditional one. He works better at what a Spearton is supposed to do, and has a lot more card combos where he works

Spearos is worse at tanking, but is comparably better for backline attacking, and has card combos where he’s genuinely better than Vampourtal

Also, the two, even with their comparable AOE have different purposes to serve. You UC Spearos to wipe out the Archers in the back because that’s something he’s good for. You can UC him to make the frontline move in Slideshow Mode, which is also something he’s good at. You UC Vampourtal to tank oncoming damage from a lot of units because that’s how he’s supposed to work.

You were never wrong about Spearos being good, you’re just wrong about Vampourtal being bad

[heady wren]

ever heard of deep freeze

[heady wren]

spearos is proly the most versatile general

apart from maybe archis

[cold sparrow]

He can be used in a ton of ways, but he’s not better by any extent

[heady wren]

u do realize the slow basically gives him like 1400 hp

[heady wren]

he is by far better

[cold sparrow]

And Vampourtal’s lifesteal give him possible infinite, practically a bit more than 2000

[heady wren]

so ur ignoring spearos having vamp?

[cold sparrow]

I’m not. His abilities don’t vamp, and his damage output without them is less than nothing.

[heady wren]

spearos can pretty much defeat any unit that isnt an eclipsor

[cloud night]

me staring in your soul

[outer sleet]

You would be surprised.

[outer sleet]

Also btw, Shadow meant a deck where Spearos has Vampiric Soul, to kinda do the same thing as Vamportoul in terms of gaining infinite health via lifesteal, or practically a bit more than 2000 health.

Which, again, Vamportoul has a way stronger lifesteal himself that is a passive, meaning he does not need Vampiric Soul to occupy a slot in a deck with him.

And if you bring Vampiric Soul itself into a deck with Vamportoul, his lifesteal becomes even stronger, because it stacks.

Goes from 20% to 28% lifesteal.

Which is
Way more significant than 8%.

Plus, it makes Vamportoul (with Vampiric Soul) gain "infinite" health much faster than Spearos with Vampiric Soul.

[cold sparrow]

“Giant Users aren’t real, they can’t hurt you”

Yeah, but my point still stands. With 8% lifesteal, which doesn’t affect his abilities, Spearos’ raw damage output can’t vamp him enough HP to be put to good use

[heady wren]

did you know, deep freeze also heals

he can heal 100+ hp from crawlers theoretically

[cold sparrow]

It does? I didn’t know magic abilities healed. Why doesn’t Fulminate heal? What’s Crazy Jay doing?

[distant phoenix]

What the hell is a boomerangler?

[outer sleet]

...Why did you ask that question here, where it has nothing to do with boomeranglers

[distant phoenix]

I havent opened this ideia in ages….when i opened theres was a screenshot of something about new units and the campaign

[heady wren]

sir this is the wrong post

[heady wren]

im pretty sure fulminate does

[distant phoenix]

Bro im saying there is a screenshot about that in this ideia

[cold sparrow]

I think it’s just a way to have order bombers

[distant phoenix]

Okay…..

But thanks

[cold sparrow]

Either that or it’s that one idea that was literally a flamethrower

[distant phoenix]

Its still a bad troop so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cold sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bomber-stick-war-gif-399573491535691262

[granite crest]

It doesn't

Deep freeze damage is status effects

Status effects don't heal from vamp

It's also why deep freeze damage doesn't scale with forge

[outer sleet]

Yeah I had a feeling that Deep Freeze didn't heal Spearos.

[cold sparrow]

Turns out that’s false, meaning Spearos’ vamping comes entirely from his basic attack. His best bet to tank more damage is Heavy healing wisp, and that in itself won’t help as much as you’d think. Once again, Vampourtal is the better tank

[heady wren]

it got matched?

im pretty sure it used to

[heady wren]

spearos has slow

which makes him better

with A1 spearos has near identical hp

[cloud night]

spearos is for offense

Vamportoul is for survivability

End of discussion

[cold sparrow]

That’s what I’ve been trying to say

[heady wren]

Spearos still overall better

[granite crest]

The splash damage

This will be undoubtedly the best general at just hitting backlines

[heady wren]

sicklebear

also spearos deep freeze does like 30 dmg

[granite crest]

Sicklebear is light and doesn't have healing

[heady wren]

and slow

[heady wren]

vamp

[granite crest]

This can use vamp too

[heady wren]

why would u go double vamp?

seems like a waste

[granite crest]

Lemme calculate again how much this heals per hit without any upgrades

[granite crest]

You could use vamp for your army

TP to top

[heady wren]

sir

[granite crest]

12 HP per hit

[heady wren]

there is smth called jump to top

[granite crest]

No upgrades

[granite crest]

That's on PC

I'm on mobile

[heady wren]

max vamp is 17 right?

oh

[granite crest]

Lemme check with extra vamp now

14

[heady wren]

bear heals 10 from 3 units with max vamp

[granite crest]

Very close to being 17 tho

[granite crest]

This is with no temple and no forge

And this has a healing ability too

[heady wren]

this is max temple and no forge

[granite crest]

I'm curious now, how much would this heal with T2 and F2 + vamp?

13 HP with just the main hit

Damn

13+4+4+4

25

[heady wren]

bear is 4 AOE right?

[granite crest]

Yeah

[heady wren]

bear is 16

t2 f2 light

[granite crest]

Did you separate the healing of the light bonus damage from the base damage?

[heady wren]

wdym?

i jus did light dmg

[granite crest]

The vamp healing from bonus damage and the vamp healing from the base damage are separate

[heady wren]

rly?

[granite crest]

It's one of the reasons why sickles heal so much from vamp

[heady wren]

dang

so its more like (15x1.2)0.17+(5x1.2)0.17?

[granite crest]

It's better to just use the rounded up damage

Also max vamp is 15%

[heady wren]

nerfed?

or am i tweaking

[granite crest]

No

You're tweaking

[heady wren]

makes sense

[outer sleet]

What's funny is that this was kept alive because of a discussion between two generals where one is Offensive and the other is Defensive.

Now it's most likely going to stay inactive for a good while.

Oh well.

[plain sluice]

This is basically the trumpet post of the modern day

[mystic dune]

Oh nah I remember the Trumpet post 💀

actually, let me do something real quick.

[undone summit]

1935 messgae for the trumpet!

[outer sleet]

Yay trumpet post mentions...

Not Here Tho.

Thanks.

:]

[cloud night]

Revive

[wheat matrix]

no

[outer sleet]

Yes.

Why not.

[heady wren]

lemme spark up smth

this guy would never get added cuz CJ hates all units that arent kytchu, archidons or eclipsors

and if he was added he would be absolutely sht

[granite crest]

We don't need you pointing it out

We already know that CJ ain't adding anything from this channel

[heady wren]

ignoring that

this guy would never be that strong

CJ would make his cost the same

and give him 500 hp and 20 dmg

[outer sleet]

And then see everyone complain about how weak Vamportoul is and then superbuff bro or actually make him just as strong as he was intended to be, aka, exactly like in this post.

Has happened to some units in the past.

Also yeah CJ isn't really adding anything from this channel anyways.

[heady wren]

he wont

the super buff will last for 1 day until he removes it

[outer sleet]

The "superbuff" was a bit of an exaggeration.
But it could happen if he was ever added to the game.
-# And I think (I am probably wrong) that there was atleast a unit or two that were buffed to the extremes and it took weeks or maybe even a month or more just to nerf them, idk.

[digital root]

how is this still alive

[heady wren]

pike atreyos lasted like 1 month

[granite crest]

which one

[heady wren]

2022

[lament quiver]

Vamportoul never dies.

Bro is unkillable.

[heady wren]

nah

just get some ninjas

[median rain]

Still alive

[lament quiver]

Eh true, but the Channel is unkillable lol

[heady wren]

or is it?

[outer sleet]

Unkillable unless it gets shut down.

Like every other post.

[outer sleet]

It gets revived constantly somehow.
Idk.
Also the majority like this guy so
Yeah.
Another reason.

[digital root]

oh god

119 at yes?

[outer sleet]

Yes.

Because apparently this is a good idea for a lot of people.

[median rain]

Hopefully it will get added

[heady wren]

balance the game and then add stuff

[cloud night]

Clash Royale ahh moment

[timber horizon]

When this post was made I legit started making arts

[digital root]

nice

[outer sleet]

This post is revolutionary in a way then.

[outer sleet]

⅕ of the way there to 200 after 100.

Crazy.

[digital root]

sure

let me add in

[median rain]

Still alive?

[inner ginkgo]

This would be awesome if it was in game

[median rain]

Hopefully it is put into the game, we have been waiting for months now

[heady wren]

CJ will never read this

sad truth

if he did

game would be balanced

[mystic dune]

Simple

Wait for the devs to run out of ideas but we have to keep this alive when they finally decide to read fan ideas

[heady wren]

they will still not

[mystic dune]

The slimmest chance deserves at least a glimmer of hope, no?

[heady wren]

no hope

[mystic dune]

better than giving up

[median rain]

Agreed

[outer sleet]

I forgot about the teleporter.
Here.

[mystic dune]

woohoo free TP to the Top

[plain sluice]

Disrevive

[mystic dune]

Who the heck is this Fan Ideas Guy clone

[plain sluice]

A better version of him

I fought him with an atrocious deck called bomber spam and lost

That's how better I am

[mystic dune]

sure buddy, at least Fan Ideas guy isn't dumb enough to say "Disrevive" when you sent a message that literally revived the damn post

[plain sluice]

You nullified it by replying

[mystic dune]

I don't get it, "I fought him and lost" for short? Are you saying you lost or nah?

[plain sluice]

Yes

[mystic dune]

How does replying invalidate it? You sent the message first saying "disrevive" meanwhile you revived the post in doing so for saying "disrevive", so how does me stating it have anything wrong?

[mystic dune]

So you lost to him?

[plain sluice]

Dawg I already said yes

[mystic dune]

just making sure because I have an IQ in the negatives

[plain sluice]

Me too

[plain sluice]

It doesn't count as reviving because it was sent like seconds after the initial revival message was sent

Wait this conversation is reviving the post

Grr how dare u trick me

[mystic dune]

fair point, but replying WITH a message strengthens the revival even more, this whole conversation does.

[plain sluice]

Anyways good idea

[mystic dune]

bro exactly wat I was thinking

[outer sleet]

Thanks lol.

[heady wren]

hes proly like the wodahS of fan ideas guy

[plain sluice]

Who

[heady wren]

hes like me but opposite

[plain sluice]

Oh

[heady wren]

he keeps on hacking me acc

[plain sluice]

Yes

[heady wren]

so i gotta bonk him

[plain sluice]

Ok I'm not that evil

[heady wren]

i put him in a coma

[plain sluice]

I hope fig doesn't do that to me

Me just make innocent bad ideas☺️

[outer sleet]

Ok that's enough post-unrelevant chattery for today.

How about I ask a question about this post to yall?
-# Answer if you wish.
What do you like the most about the post (aka Vamportoul as a whole, like, a specific (passive) ability of his, a specific stat, design... etc.)

[plain sluice]

The design

[heady wren]

proly splash

it can fight archers

[granite crest]

I won't

MetaAbuser would but he's dead

[plain sluice]

Yay

[granite crest]

If I could I would

[plain sluice]

What's stopping u tho

[granite crest]

I don't know your location nor do I have a way to get to anywhere other than bus stops in my city

[plain sluice]

Ohh

Thank goodness

[heady wren]

i have to travel through 3 major oceans to find wodahS

[mystic dune]

lifesteal because now I can stall the archer massers for my units to attack

synergizes well with splash too

[timber horizon]

Hello

[outer sleet]

He would most likely counter archer spam so, understandable.

[median rain]

Back to the top

[rustic rapids]

This is the new trumpet unit

[somber sentinel]

Yeah agreed

[wise cradle]

This must be one of the longest living posts

[outer sleet]

True...

[tacit forum]

tp to top

[outer sleet]

I just remembered why I made Vamportoul have 750 HP.
I was planning with the other Prince Unit ideas to have 650 HP, since their skins in Legacy do not give them extra HP. Voltaic and Vamp however do, and I think Vamp gives more HP to units with the skin than Voltaic.
However, since that is the case, I was then planning the Voltaic Prince to have 700 HP, since it gives less HP than Vamp to the units who have that skin on in Legacy.
So Vamportoul essentially has 750 HP.
Tried to keep it somewhat balanced with the rest of the stats and kinda wanted him to be tankier than Atreyos at the time (he had 700 HP back then).
Which then set the bar for the rest of the HP for the other Prince Unit Ideas.
So yeah.
Just a little fun fact.

[outer sleet]

I stand corrected! Apparently Voltaic and Vamp skins in Legacy give the same amount of extra health.

I'll just have the Voltaic Prince Unit idea, when I get to it, have the same amount of HP in that case.
But, alas, the post still holds up.

[wise cradle]

Is this the longest living post?

[digital root]

maybe

[somber sentinel]

Maybe even the best

[hollow berry]

Definitely the best

[slender bolt]

how is that idea got 125 emoji

[mystic dune]

does grammar your good have? /s

[slender bolt]

wdym

[outer sleet]

Because it's good apparently.

That simple of an explanation.

[slender bolt]

idea is good but

Looks like overrated for me

[outer sleet]

So you're saying that, any fan ideas for SWS that have a lot of people liking it, is overrated.
What logic even is that

[slender bolt]

i dont mean that?

also

if good = 125 in true logic

thats medium for me

and just dont care my opinions

125 vs 1 is nothing

[outer sleet]

Then
How is this overrated

[slender bolt]

medium for me

[outer sleet]

I mean
I still wanna hear out your POV on that.

[icy cosmos]

Waiting for more vikingsoul arts-

[slender bolt]

guess what

idk

😭

[wanton bobcat]

I don't think we're getting more than one general per ex-order faction.

[outer sleet]

Wdym? This is a Chaos General though?

[wanton bobcat]

The vampiric soulstealers are an ex-order faction so that's just kinda wrong.

[outer sleet]

They are, but they are also allies with the Chaos Empire, meaning it's technically speaking a Chaos faction, am I wrong?

[outer sleet]

So...
With the new Vampiric Soul buff this update offered...
I think this guy will be a literal threat with Vampiric Soul in a deck with him.
Fvcking 38% Lifesteal maxed out is insane.

[cloud night]

Yummy hp

But if cure is removed then it’s balanced

Be u already outheal the dmg of the effects

[outer sleet]

What I might do is probably nerf Vamportoul's Passive Lifesteal.

Because it feels very awkward for a General that specializes on the Vampiric Soul card and also just, the perks of the SWL Vamp Skin as a whole to not have cure whatsoever.

So I'll probably just nerf the passive lifesteal of him.

Maybe.

[cloud night]

Just remove cure of vamp soul

Rn it’s doing anything but Lifesteal

TT and acid rain users are crying bc of cure

[granite crest]

It literally got buffed to up to 18% heal just 2 days ago

[outer sleet]

So by removing cure and saying that it's doing anything but lifesteal, you are essentially implying that you want Vampiric Soul to become "a nothing burger even without the bread."

Aka, nothing.

[granite crest]

He's not even right

Vamp got buffed to a healing level that people asked for but with cure removal, without removing the cure

You legit can not say that vamp can't heal anymore

[halcyon folio]

I've been saying this ever since it was new

That's why I'm on the team on this one until today

[outer sleet]

Respawn.
No I am not saying revive, that term's outdated.
Respawn is funnier.

[hollow berry]

I always come back

[timber horizon]

With this power
I revive this post

[median rain]

Here we go again

[digital root]

wtf how long is this post going for

[outer sleet]

Uuuuuuuuuhhhh

For eternity at this point.

It packed up a lot of totems of undying on its way here.

So it would never die unless taken down by any mods.

[median rain]

Yep

[hollow berry]

The more reactions the better

[grim pike]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[outer sleet]

Pretty sure.
Threw a trash bag, into space, at work.

Actually what are you guys referring to?
The part where it will never die, or the part where it probably could be taken down by a mod?

Anyways
Respawn.

[plain sluice]

Death

[outer sleet]

Erm

No.

💥

Long live Vamportoul.

[plain sluice]

The vampirism won't be enough. it will eventually die, just like all ideas.

[outer sleet]

Not...
100% true...
But 99.98% true.

[timber horizon]

Revived

[quartz pawn]

Why?

[cloud night]

Nah

Its surviving

[median rain]

Who knows, I guess we just like it

[fringe lichen]

add it, devs, thanks

[quartz pawn]

just skin

[outer sleet]

-# This guy is not a fvcking skin how many times do I have to SAY THIS

[median rain]

It’s not a skin

[mystic dune]

wait.... IT'S NOT A SKIN!?!??

THIS WHOLE TIME....

I THOUGHT IT WAS A SKINNN!!!

[outer sleet]

-._-.

Are you actually serious or are you joking?

[small vault]

Back to top~

Also it's since 2024?! Wow, this one is the mark of time.

[outer sleet]

I can feel
My bones
Creaking
As I look at how old this post is.

[mystic dune]

I was joking heheheheehhaw

[halcyon folio]

Can we actually work on how to make this general's gameplay concept good?

[plain sluice]

They could be a super tanky General that requires to be constantly on the field to sustain their lifespan

If not then they get more and more weakened overtime

[halcyon folio]

It's a tank that does nothing but be a meatshield, and it doesn't even have an ability that draws attention to itself or cause stalling with it's presence

It's just a high survivability unit with some damage output if you sacrifice it's main role as tank

[plain sluice]

I just realized the troll potential of blood absorption

Although it barely does anything

You could probably keep using it over and over to diminish ally health while they're in base

[outer sleet]

Yeah but then the ally could also garrison and heal that little amount of health back and go back out.

[halcyon folio]

It will only heal 200-300HP if it uses it's ability with every heavy unit of both teams. That HP will go through the 40% dmg reduction so that's 300-500 total HP. He's basically just a general with giant HP if he successfully uses his ability and maintains his block, absolutely nothing else.

Atreyos could achieve the same HP with Clicky while having speed, crashdown, and faster respawn,

Zarek could do the same with Gspears but he also has training boost and flag.

Even Marrowkai and sicklebear could achieve something similar with only their summon skills

[plain sluice]

Yeah that's why I said it barely does anything

[outer sleet]

True...

[outer sleet]

I mean
Yeah
Atreyos, Zarek and Sicklebear did get buffed to the point where they essentially rival or even be a bit better than Vamportoul on that aspect.
But again, Vamportoul's gameplay concept came out before Sicklebear was added and before the Atreyos and Zarek buffs.

Regardless, yes, Vamportoul does need to be changed a bit now considering these buffs from the other units.

[halcyon folio]

Atreyos has 700 HP before and has stand in.

Zarek has 750 HP before with the same training boost and 50 dps instead of flag

[halcyon folio]

Nah, he needs a whole ass revamp

[outer sleet]

Alright then,
I need ideas in that case if we are doing a revamp.

Because I don't really have any better ones than this.

[timber horizon]

NOOO

It will survive

[merry lily]

Vote for mera instead.

[outer sleet]

What does Mera have to do with any of this

[merry lily]

Vapiric general

Speartons are already for ice

[nimble nacelle]

i think i just figured it out
this is a homage to stick war Legacy where they made every skin-themed general either an archer or a spearton

in woodland case both

[outer sleet]

...I mean yeah, this guy is pretty much the Vampiric Soulstealer Prince from Stick War Legacy's Weekly Missions, but into Stick War Saga.

Every tribe (except Salvagers and Pyroblaze from my knowledge) in SWL has both a Prince and a Princess in which are Speartons and Archidons respectively.

[charred basin]

I love the idea I just think another spearton themed general is a bit much since we already have 2

[wooden kite]

I have a proposal:
two vamp style knives for quick attacks against a single target, low max hp to compensate for the high hp/s from attacking. Very Fast movement and attack speed, low damage. temple 2 upgrade unlocks a power that looks like a purple variant of the heal spell, but instead acts as a life draining aoe ability that puts a lich's mark on the enemy, causing health lost by them by any means to be regained as health for the next few seconds. Very long cooldown for the ability + capability to heal past max hp.

[outer sleet]

So basically turn bro into some kind of Vampiric Soulstealer Shadowrath on crack.

[wooden kite]

Effectively yes.

[wise cradle]

No, I always come back.

Tp top

Also the name is not edgy enough

[outer sleet]

None of the names in SWS even sound edgy to me.

[sage bison]

https://youtu.be/yP0b7uWFEhA?si=-jlJ9bXrUOxcSysM

[outer sleet]

Wow chat an F+ who saw that coming?
-# Everyone did.

Yeah I'm not really surprised Vamportoul got such a low ranking.

I'm more surprised that he somehow got in a video.

[sage bison]

[outer sleet]

Yknow what

[outer sleet]

I've been thinking after watching this video

Maybe I should remake or reboot this idea.

Add some additional stuff that wasn't there, like additional lore and stuff.

[wooden kite]

I feel like "edgy" is the wrong word for it. Vampourtal just doesn't really fit with the rest of the names. I think something like Soulnar or Vampyris would be more fitting, but that's just my personal opinion.

Not only that but if his primary power is already just implemented as an enchant, and replacing it with some kind of unique mana bar full by dealing damage that when completed restores health by base maximum and maybe gives over max with a 25% conversion rate as overheal with t2 armory.

Combine that with some lore like "Marrowkai's lead disciple and Mera's star student"

I guess there's your remake

[outer sleet]

Perhaps.

I'll keep that suggestion in mind.

[wooden kite]

Gonna be totally honest with you I didn't expect you to say something while I was typing.

[outer sleet]

I didn't even see you type in my screen

Discord Mobile is sh¡tty like that.

[wooden kite]

Yeah I was kinda in the zone with a focus on a reply to this

[wooden kite]

@outer sleet I thought of a more original design.

[outer sleet]

That looks sick ngl.

[wooden kite]

Thanks, took me a good 20 minutes to get the outfit to something that felt truly unique

I thought of the design as "what would magis be like if he were vamp themed and melee"

The design is all yours to take credit for, I took a few elements from your work as well.

[outer sleet]

I can tell (hi legs)

[wooden kite]

I knew the legs would be a dead giveaway

[outer sleet]

Lol.

It's simply because I did the shading artstyle wrong

So it makes it recognizable that I did the legs.

[wooden kite]

Tbh you did pretty good imo, but yeah, this design is all yours to take credit for

[outer sleet]

👍

I'm going to make a new post about this guy, but rename him to Hemos, because I think it fits him better than... V a m p o r t o u l . . .

What was my 2024 self cooking.

I kind of want to keep the whole...
Vampiric Soulstealers' Prince schtick,
But maybe not make him a Spearton.

I kind of want him to be a unique general unit, but one that is still a tank.
Tho the size I want him to be (kind of like Sicklebear's size) kind of justifies the potential health boost for his tankiness.

And I know some people may not enjoy it, but, hey, not everyone likes the most well-liked idea, am I right?

Not everyone will like it.

And that's ok.

[sage bison]

I mean, if you have the will, you can do anything

[outer sleet]

-# God Deltarune fvcking ruined me.

But yeah I am currently just
Doing
A reboot in a google doc rn.

[halcyon folio]

The name Vamportoul is an abomination of different words, merged together to sound nice but almost meaningless

[outer sleet]

Yeah.

Hemos is so much better.

That's why I'm sticking with Hemos for the reboot instead of Vamportoul.

Unless

Of course

Someone else has a better name suggestion.

Plus I am going to give this guy proper lore instead of being a one to one to whatever lore he had in SWL.

And I might make a slight change in his stats.

Even tho they seem good, the new lore I'll have for him will kind of explain why he got a slight change stat wise.

Actually

Question

Which unit(s) has(have) Average Speed?

[halcyon folio]

Hemos, Vampis, Bloodlas, Odevein, Vitaenis, Crimsteal

[outer sleet]

Bloodlas would be quite fitting for the leader of the Bloodbla- oh wait he has a name already nvm.

[halcyon folio]

Spearcher, sword. Legit that's all

[outer sleet]

Anyways I'm probably going to stick with Hemos.

[outer sleet]

Huh.
And which unit(s) is(are) slower but almost the same speed as those 3?

[halcyon folio]

Unless you want to count near-average speed like Juggclipsor and sickle

Generals too ofc

[outer sleet]

Ok I'll probably stick with Juggerknight speed for him then.

I'm probably going to focus Stat/Ability wise first and then elaborate on the lore and other aspects.

[sage bison]

Whatever does the job

Ill be here

waiting

[outer sleet]

Ok, thank you for, waiting (it's not needed but I appreciate your patience.)

Kinda needa change the last part of the description considering I might discard Blood Absorption.

-# Oh yeah right the uh

-# The game isn't the same as back in 2024

-# Because upgrades and all.

-# Well I gotta take those in consideration now...

[outer sleet]

Here's what I currently have rn as of stat changes. (Removed Blood Absorption.)

Give me any suggestions on what I could change.

Meanwhile, I'll go write the lore.

[outer sleet]

I was writing a TLDR of the lore but

It was getting a bit too big for a TLDR.

-# But tbh the lore is quite large in my head.

[outer sleet]

What do yall think of this?
Any changes I should do?

[nimble nacelle]

poison resistance?

like acid rain doesn't work but any other source does?

that is what toxic totality does

[outer sleet]

Anything that inflicts Poison on Hemos would deal 50% less damage.

I kinda wanted to give him Poison Immunity but that seemed too much.

[nimble nacelle]

so regular damage resistance only for attacks that would inflict poison

[outer sleet]

Hemos (previously known as Vamportoul)

[granite crest]

No

50% less poison damage taken

[outer sleet]

Yeah.

[granite crest]

Like how deads only take half poison damage

[outer sleet]

Like, Toxic Deads would deal the same damage they usually do, but the poison damage from them would deal 50% less damage.

[nimble nacelle]

it was worded that way

[outer sleet]

Mb.

[granite crest]

Also no

TT doesn't have that anymore + it was completely different

It wasn't from TT, it was an acid rain mechanic

[nimble nacelle]

yeah yeah older versions and that

[outer sleet]

But yeah Poison Resistance was an added buff to Hemos.

[nimble nacelle]

anyway i'll continue with my viking faction remake

i just need to make low quality artworks to fit with them

okay maybe not that low

[outer sleet]

Should I consider adding a Monster Attribute to Hemos?

Because the new lore isn't going to make him a stickman but a bit bigger anymore, he becomes a Monster after The Discovery™

[outer sleet]

So for anyone wondering about the lore, I am splitting it into Chapters. So far, it has almost 4 Chapters fully written. I estimate that the amount of Chapters the lore will have would perhaps be 7 or 8 or a little bit more.

Each Chapter doesn't have a consistent average amount of words btw, Chapter 2 is significantly longer than Chapter 1 but the longest Chapter so far is Chapter 3. It's like, 2 whole screens and a quarter or smth of writing.

And these Chapters have nothing correlated to the present yet, it's still mentioning sh¡t in Hemos' past.

-# The current 4 Chapters rn that is.

Actually,
Do you guys wanna read a chapter? (Chapter 1)

It's gonna take a while to get the lore done but I don't want to leave y'all in the dark about it.

[nimble nacelle]

this is what's been missing

the dying

of this post

congratulations
this post is now ready for retirement

thank you VikingSoul to change this post for the worse

peace shall be aquired at once

[outer sleet]

What

The post isn't really dead dead, sure it becomes inactive but inactive doesn't necessarily mean dead.

But it has had these moments before.

[outer sleet]

Peace shall be acquired for once?
I
Think peace has been acquired since ever within this post.

[nimble nacelle]

with peace i meant resting in peace

you're going to disturb it for a while longer aren't you

[outer sleet]

resting in peace
you're going to disturb it for a while longer
Proceeding with a full on reboot of a post = disturbing the "peace"

Yeah.

You're very funny. /sarcasm

I'm here improving my post.

Yet you think I am ruining it.

I'll be honest, if the reboot fails, so what, we have people to help balancing things out and perhaps improve things here and there.

If you're not going to be apart of that "help" then why are you here ruining dreams of people?

How ironic.

[granite crest]

Honestly I think it's better if you make a separate post

[outer sleet]

I will make a seperate post.

I kinda renamed this for Hemos so people would expect a reboot at one point.

Because there are a lot of messages drowning the rebooting parts.

However I am using this post to share some current ideas for the reboot post.

Because like

I'm not gonna make another post right now of an unfinished reboot just for feedback purposes.

It would eventually die out, be a nothing burger once it isn't utilized anymore for feedback, IF it ever does (because good god are there a lot of silent types in this server)

[outer sleet]

If it's a tie or nobody votes then I will proceed with doing the same thing as I've been doing, which is, well, keep the reboot progress in this post.

[wise cradle]

Nows the time to start

[outer sleet]

Hemos is the current name, is that edgy enough or smth?

Not like that's my main goal with the name, it just sounds better than "Vamportoul".

[plain sluice]

He's a troll

Don't mind him

All he does is drag on old posts and make unfunny jokes

[outer sleet]

Ah.

Ok

Understandable.

[wise cradle]

I'm a bomber, not troll.

[wise cradle]

I do more then that

[outer sleet]

You could perhaps be...
A bomber troll-
Wait a second

Anyways

[outer sleet]

For those who haven't gotten the chance yet, the poll is still up for votes.

It's 6-4 which is quite the switchup from the 6-1, I didn't expect such a thing to happen.

[plain sluice]

Sir you barely make any posts here + most of your few posts are like joke posts

Most of your activity is just appearing in random ideas and say bomber related stuff or something unrelated

[outer sleet]

-# Why am I going insane with this guy's lore I swear I needed to split Chapter 4 into 2 parts so they were atleast sendable in Discord.

-# And even then, I might need to split it into 3 parts.

-# And Chapter 2 into 2 parts too.

AND CHAPTER 3 TOO- omfg.

I thought C3 was shorter than C2 bro 😭

[outer sleet]

10 hours left guys.

[outer sleet]

Alright.
So,
How this will work,
This post will remain as it is right now, sure the name change was applied but it's still the Vamportoul post for the most part,
However there is gonna be a new post that shall incorporate everything in regards to the reboot progression.
And, eventually, with everything within the reboot being finished, I'll create another post to include every main thing that was discussed in the post before to keep it great and organized.

[nimble nacelle]

So this will become the new https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1354767678660935731

[outer sleet]

#1429264487483183227

You guys have voted for a new post for the reboot progression for Hemos, so there it is.

Go help me out if possible, I would be very thankful for your cooperation.

[wise cradle]

None of mine are joke posts

[timber horizon]

Revive

[merry lily]

https://discord.com/channels/555057405080371210/1461985701649191026

[halcyon folio]

Neat revive

[timber horizon]

Ye

[hollow berry]

Revive

[timber horizon]

Yeee

[median rain]

Still alive, how old is this now

[timber horizon]

About an year

Maybe

[mystic dune]

2 years

Or 1 and 3/4 years

[outer sleet]

Me when I keep forgetting to get back into this idea's rework...