#ballancing wrathnar from the ground up.

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umbral ferry
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Assuming wrathnars purpoes is an anti swarm general:

Ability 1: masive leap.
Flies for 5 seconds. Cant be targeted or stunned. Moves at 3/4 speed. Enemy units will all get +6 fire in a 3x meric range. Stun 1 unit on direct hits. 35 second cd.
Ability 2: ring of fire. Stun and burn 4 enemy units with +4 burn and boost alied units in meric range. Buffed units take 20% less damage from burning enemies for 7. 25 second cooldown
Pasive Ability : compunding fire. Burn stacks if its from different sources (example: 2 projectiles will not stack fire. 2 Explosions dont stack fire. 1 projectile and 1 explodion do stack fire). Mellee attacking abilities now apply +3 fire. Bomber explosion is counted as ability and fire. Wrathnar abilities counted as all types.

600g 200c 9 pop 50 cd.
Order/ light/ magical
450hp 25 (+10l) sword speed
Magical as i think the traitor generals should be magical as they each have an element. (Not archis tho)

jovial pewter
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Sounds alright, passive sounds a bit confusing tho. If it's more intuitive, I think this Wrathnar is pr useful: has backline sniping potential but not as OP as spearton & Archidon generals, passive might actually boost card synergy, can support tanks, etc.

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Tho, none of the abilities actually applies direct dmg & relies on burn which doesn't stack so idk how strong that's gonna be.

umbral ferry
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Yeah im relying on the enemy not having ward / vamp

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Supposed to be paired with many units

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Magical offensive unit, projectile unit, mellee unit,

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All in 1 deck

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I think wrathnar would be so much cooler as a support general

umbral ferry
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Revive

desert garnet
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Does ring of fire do burn dmg to enemy units along with the stun?

umbral ferry
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Oh yes

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It does

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Misread that

desert garnet
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Oh so it was a simple mistake

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Was it supposed to say burn?

umbral ferry
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What

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Burning enemies?

desert garnet
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The name is ring of fire but it has no burn

umbral ferry
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It does burn

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Ill add that

desert garnet
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Anyways this might actually give Wrathnar a use, right now he looks like a weaker aoe and crowd control general when compared to Magis and Spearos

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He's now for support, aoe, and crowd control

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A fire general that can actually buff the burn effect too

silver hearth
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@worldly aurora

rocky axle
worldly aurora
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One issue with the cost. In the original card, Wrathnar has same cost as Spearos:500g, 300c so Wrathnar, in the original card should be worth, 500g and 300c just to be accurate.

silver hearth
worldly aurora
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Do you mind? I'm just saying that, so can you stop with your opinion? I'm just saying mine. Nothing more.

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Besides it's a post to balance Wrathnar.

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This post is to balance Wrathnar so IN my very own words "YOUR OPINION HERE ABOUT HOW HE IS BAD DOESNT COUNT IF WE ARE TRYING TO FIX HIM."

silver hearth
umbral ferry
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Nahhhh

silver hearth
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No CD for 1 and 2, Ring of Fire is also broken if less than 20 secs

desert garnet
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The cooldowns are there

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CD for the first one is 35s and the second one is 25s

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And ring of fire is basically just Wrathnar's aoe burn but with stun and a 25s CD, the boost for allied units also isn't that much, it just makes them take less damage from "burning enemies" (I'm gonna assume he meant enemy units with the burn effect)

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Still confused as to how ring of fire stuns, does Wrathnar leap or

noble portal
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idk if this buff will do, because all of wrathnar’s role can be filled by other generals. for me you should give him a trait that makes his playstyle/role stand out among other generals. then you gave him magic tag, which means he is going to stand with the magikills and mericc, its quite a weird thing to see but I see the reasoning behind it.

desert garnet
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Hard to give Wrathnar a new role that other generals don't already completely excel in, only other role you can give him is dps

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But I feel like shade and other generals in the future would just take that spot away from him as well

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Even the current Wrathnar we have rn is just a mix of crowd control and aoe, and he sucks compared to other generals that specialize in those roles

noble portal
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Jump Slam could be a unique and powerful initiator tool if reworked well

desert garnet
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You jump up in the sky for a few seconds, making you immune to all damage and all enemy units, then you leap back down and stun everything near you.

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Dunno about you but that just sounds like burrow from charrog

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So Wrathnar's only ability that has potential isn't even original... Yah, when reworking him and giving him new roles it's gonna be hard to find a place to start.

umbral ferry
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He stuns 1 unit

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If he did anymore thats going to be disgustibg

worldly aurora
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Jumpslam in the original version, is like Xiphos using heroic jump but stuns every unit in the radius. THATS why he has it.

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Leap is where you stun 1 unit.

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Jumpslam is where you stun many.

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If Jumpslam doesn't stun more than 1 unit, it's useless entirely as well with him so fix that.

worn niche
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Jack of all trades
Master of none
But better than a master of one
Is a very conditional quote

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Swarm control is something we currently only have with marrowkai and atreyos to an extent

desert garnet
desert garnet
# umbral ferry 1 unit

Talking about the original jump slam. And yeah your rework definitely made it look like less of a copy

worldly aurora
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Im talking about what Jumpslam is used for. That's what I'm talking about.

desert garnet
worldly aurora
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Yes. I'm just saying that if he says stuns only 1 unit then he should fix that idea.

desert garnet
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Honestly jump slam not having burn never made sense

worldly aurora
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In Jumpslam it stuns all units in the radius not just 3.

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It makes sense because of the explosions.

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And I like the animation for the attack as well.

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Im just saying what it's used for in the campaign. Not actually player used

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So if we are going to balance him we need to even it out from the campaign

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Get my idea?

desert garnet
# worldly aurora Yes. I'm just saying that if he says stuns only 1 unit then he should fix that i...

But he already gave ring of fire aoe stun, giving wrathnar 2 abilities that can stun multiple units seems unnecessary, then his role would just be a general meant for stunning. And jump slam is an explosion like the one from bombers, so wouldn't it make more sense for it to only do burn and stun one unit on direct hit, than for it to stun everything and not do burn damage. Since it's basically just a bigger leap so stunning one unit makes sense, but it's also a leap with an explosion so aoe burn.

desert garnet
worldly aurora
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At least I was half right this time.kekw

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Anyways if your right, your right but still, with me imma be trying to see what I can do. See ya.

desert garnet
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Also I'm still confused about the boost for allied units, it says "buffed units take 20% less damage from burning enemies", so does that mean they take less dmg from units that are burning or from units that have the burn effect.

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If it's the first one then that's really cool

silver hearth
umbral ferry
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Like atreyos

silver hearth
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Buff xipphoa

umbral ferry
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Xiphos x wrathnar 😮

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(Kill me 🤮 )

noble portal
worldly aurora
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Ayo, what be happening while I was gone?

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I ain't dealing with ships today.

warped cairn
umbral ferry
warped cairn
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Cat owner:

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Probably

umbral ferry
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😔😔😔

warped cairn
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(Same)

noble portal
worldly aurora
worldly aurora
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Been a while since someone posted.
Anyway i have a few ideas If anyone would like to listen

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Imma be open from now to 9 so just ping me

outer phoenix
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Just post your ideas as separate posts

worldly aurora
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I ment to everyone in this group to add on to it. I ain't being copyrighted or shut down again.

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Besides all the information @umbral ferry made is already here so it's much easier to just say them here. I'm not saying he should change his im just saying mine off of his.

umbral ferry
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?

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Oh

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Yeah listen to fan ideas guy (didnt want to ping(

worldly aurora
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Oh ok then.

worldly aurora
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Nevermind, Wrathnar can beat Atreyos as he is in a 1V1.

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If you don't believe me go to this YT channel known as EnesBrt

umbral ferry
worldly aurora
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Yeah but Wrathnar can beat Atreyos in a 1V1. Like in the actual game

umbral ferry
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Alr?

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Do you not have other unitd?

worldly aurora
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I just saying there is no need to fix Wrathnar now, because if he can beat Atreyos and Xiphos, then I think buffing him more will make him be able to be too OP

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Only unit Wrathnar can't beat is Zarek

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I ain't surprised tho, Zarek is OP against light units, and is the strongest unit in the Game in terms of attack damage. How can an old man with a stick beat a giant???

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Anyways, I'm just saying we shouldn't buff him anymore, nothing else

worn niche
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1v1 prowess doesn't make that unit strong
If it's good in a 1v1 it probably doesn't fare well in horde fights

Also general duels don't usually happen unless one is trying to snipe the other

Some units are built with different purposes in mind
Crawler will suck at 1v1s because they have very small amount of hp but they are intended to be spanmed out and overwhelm the enemy units

Giants are strong in 1v1 but they are no that good in an army because the pop,cost and time needed to get one on the battlefield

I'm not downplaying giants or overplaying the crawlers
They each have a different purpose in mind

One is a spammable unit and one is a powerhouse

outer phoenix
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Wrathnar has a mass AOE damage + stun ability

violet rain
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Spearton overall speed buff still high asf

umbral ferry
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Give him a gun bomber_troll

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Archis is actualy a time traveler

worldly aurora
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Archis is pretty bad, NGL, the way he uses boyer is useless

umbral ferry
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You tetyer generals and kill eclips or target backclinr

worldly aurora
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Eh, true

umbral ferry
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Also

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Max temple archis can perm tether enemies

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Its really funny to trap atreyos or trap kytchu and watch crawlers rip them appart

worldly aurora
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Fine, I'll try it

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But still, he is pretty weak compared to other units, he didn't even get a good buff, such as Ice or fire like Wrathnar or Spearos.

umbral ferry
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Compared to other generals yes he is underwhelming

worldly aurora
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Yeah

umbral ferry
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It depends how you use him

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Hes the only general designed to snip generals

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(Tether)

worldly aurora
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Hmmmm

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Ok

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I'll see what I can do with him with this info

umbral ferry
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Just all the other generals are sl ridiculous

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Comparatively he sucks

worldly aurora
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Yeah I know. But is Kytchu better or no, in decks?

umbral ferry
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Yes better

worldly aurora
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Ok

worldly aurora
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👍

umbral ferry
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Juzst revving this