Theodore, The Phantom King

[indigo obsidian]

Tags - Phasma/Heavy/General

Description: A powerful general with the ability to switch between a sword for higher attack and move speed at the cost of being frail and a heavy battle axe for better tanking potential and monstrous splash damage at the immense cost of speed and a complete lack of abilities

Stats:

Cost - 800 gold 300 crystal

Pop - 9

Training time - 50 seconds

Health - 400

Damage - 35

Walk and Attack speed - swordwrath

Abilities:

Shatterer Kick: (requires temple 1 and forge 2)

Theo speeds up (about to the speed of a shadowrath) and on second tap he delivers a devastating kick to the nearest unit. Felling any unit not powerful enough to withstand the blow

45 Second cooldown

Instantly kills any unit hit except generals and giants

Deals 25% damage to generals and 20% damage to giants instead

Wave of Denial:

Theo slams his sword on the ground, Knocking back any units in the radius of a magikill blast

deals 10 damage and knockback to a max of 5 units in the radius of a magikill explosion

30 second cooldown

all abilities except stance switch can only be used in sword stance

Stance switch [main gimmick]:

22 Second cooldown

Changes Theo's weapon from a sword to an axe, changing his statistics

Axe damage - 60 (+20% S) [hits 4 units]

Axe stance gains 45% damage reduction

Axe attack speed - 1.7 seconds

Axe walk speed - dead

(first time posting an idea here, give me feedback on if this is overpowered or let's be honest it's probably overpowered)

(this post got 12 updates in total and might get more)

(credits to @reef imp for helping me with the balancing)

[dire jetty]

9 SECOND TRAINING TIME???

JESUS CHRIST

[indigo obsidian]

that was a mistake.

[reef imp]

50 second.

[indigo obsidian]

it's supposed to be 50 seconds

[dire jetty]

ok good

[indigo obsidian]

but I brain farted

I'm fixing the mistake rn

[dire jetty]

shatterer kick might seem OP, but then again it requires two max upgrades

[reef imp]

(1 second train time actually)

[dire jetty]

hmm

[indigo obsidian]

yea I really wanted to make sure it wasn't op

[reef imp]

big funni kick though.

[dire jetty]

id say its decent

[indigo obsidian]

thanks mate

[dire jetty]

its not really OP, and not UP either

hes balanced, very gud

[indigo obsidian]

man. I did not expect to hear that from my first post here

[dire jetty]

true, most first posts are pretty unbalanced or braindead

[indigo obsidian]

honestly his main idea is to be more skill based in the timing of switching his stances

so that if you switch to sword stance too early. you can easily lose him

and if you switch to axe stance at the wrong time you can't catch up to units

[dire jetty]

one thing im concerned about is

if he switches tk his ax, does it save its health till the next time he uses it?

cause its quite gimmicky

[marsh anchor]

the doore

[dire jetty]

considering it changes its max health

[marsh anchor]

THEO

@Ameth-

[indigo obsidian]

could you elaborate further?

[dire jetty]

does it save its ax health and stay the same for when it converts back?

[reef imp]

it scales by the percentage of HP.

[dire jetty]

or does it instantly regain 650 HP back

[indigo obsidian]

probably that. yea

[dire jetty]

like if it has 500 HP in ax state and comes back to sword state, when he returns does it go back to 500 HP?

[indigo obsidian]

yes.

[dire jetty]

im not too sure about that

[reef imp]

for example.

[dire jetty]

id much rather like it if the axe state gave him more damage reduction instead

[indigo obsidian]

hm. how much though?

[dire jetty]

since tampering witb a unit's health from the get-go is quite unbalanced

[reef imp]

brother, there is no damage reduction in SW3.

[marsh anchor]

Cloud

Later in DMs'

[reef imp]

atleast I think.

[dire jetty]

since its speed is the same as a dead

[marsh anchor]

Spears

[reef imp]

wait I forgot they exist.

[indigo obsidian]

because 350 health is quite low.

[reef imp]

then yeah, damage reduction on the axe stance.

[dire jetty]

i think its better if its around 60-75% dmg reduction

since its already slow af

[reef imp]

and he takes extra damage on the sword stance.

[indigo obsidian]

aight. that could work.

[reef imp]

65%

it’s balanced.

[dire jetty]

considering its a heavy, it could already benefit from HHW

[dire jetty]

yeah good enough

[marsh anchor]

Cloud dont mind the Ping in #music

[reef imp]

he had two moves for both the stances btw.

[dire jetty]

pls show

[indigo obsidian]

didn't add them though since they felt too strong.

the ideas were a sword spin move for sword stance

[reef imp]

one’s an AOE knockback, one’s a sword spin.

[indigo obsidian]

and an AoE earthquake thing for axe stance yea

[reef imp]

abyssius hakgnes but better.

[dire jetty]

how much units did it hit?

and what dmg

thats really the main factor for abilities

[indigo obsidian]

to be honest with you. those didn't even go into the stats department.

I just skipped them over.

[reef imp]

I’m gonna say it has infinite pierce but deals 5 damage. (or none at all)

[indigo obsidian]

I felt like he was already complicated enough.

ok infinite pierce in this game is really strong man.

[reef imp]

since uh, it’s mainly used to push enemies back for breathing air.

[reef imp]

5 units, 10 damage.

[indigo obsidian]

also. why would the tanky stance who relies on splash damage need a pushback move?

[reef imp]

you forgot stuff like archidons and merics exists.

plus.

you’d just have the giant situation all game.

[indigo obsidian]

when is it gonna hit them?

[dire jetty]

so he blasted a gust of wind and pushed back units?

hmm

yeah id say its balanced

[indigo obsidian]

eh. what about sword spin tho?

[reef imp]

exactly.

[reef imp]

dps and a speed boost.

[indigo obsidian]

how much DPS?

[dire jetty]

so it boosts speed and deals dmg?

[reef imp]

yeah, but for a short time.

also, dps.

one slash of the spin deals low damage.

[indigo obsidian]

I feel like the moves should be switched

[dire jetty]

hmm, what if it pushed back light units and projectiles, but only freezes heavy units (makes them unable to move but can still attack), and only slows down giants

overall, this is some nice balancing ngl

[indigo obsidian]

actually nah.

[dire jetty]

ill continue reviewinv tomorrow

[indigo obsidian]

thank you good sir.

[dire jetty]

i gotta sleep cause its 1 in the morning in my time

goodnight

[indigo obsidian]

fair. it's like 8 pm for us.

g'night

[reef imp]

aight, cya mate.

[hearty stream]

This seems like a melee general

[indigo obsidian]

mostly so.

[hearty stream]

So it is underpowered, VERY underpowered

[indigo obsidian]

oh.

please explain

[reef imp]

elaborate.

[hearty stream]

For a heavy melee general, the HP is like melted butter

Along with the abilities requiring upgrades, which are expensive as hell

[indigo obsidian]

he used to have like 650 hp for axe stance but it was changed to a high resistance

[reef imp]

and he can stun enemies to avoid attacks.

[indigo obsidian]

I feel like shatterer kick deserves it. but I could change stance switch to need no upgrades

and I could change shatterer kick's upgrade requirements

[reef imp]

honestly, it doesn’t really need changes.

[indigo obsidian]

what do you think I should buff it to?

[hearty stream]

Shatter kick definitely deserves it, but considering how expensive temple 2 and forge 2 is (a total of 900 gold and mana, which is expensive as FCK), I feel like the cooldown is too much

[indigo obsidian]

if that's the case

[reef imp]

it one shots.

[indigo obsidian]

aight. how much do I reduce it?

[hearty stream]

500 at least

[indigo obsidian]

eh.

[hearty stream]

I just now remembered that temple has an ability cooldown reduction

[indigo obsidian]

the point of sword stance is that it's supposed to be more squishy in exchange for higher damage output

oh actually that works.

[indigo obsidian]

hold on lemme see how much temple 2 would reduce shatterer kick's cooldown.

[hearty stream]

So, this is lacking in stats but a bit OP in abilities

[reef imp]

though, shatterer kick is definitely not good in crowds.

[indigo obsidian]

it would make shatterer kick 24 seconds

[hearty stream]

In that case, I think 45 seconds cooldown would be more fair

[indigo obsidian]

maybe i could make it 400 health because of this?

or do that and buff the sword stance damage.

[reef imp]

it doesn’t need a buff.

[hearty stream]

I think the blade spin cooldown is also too fast, also is it single-target or AOE?

[reef imp]

aoe-ish.

[hearty stream]

The damage is fine, but the HP is too little

[hearty stream]

?

[reef imp]

horizontal only.

[hearty stream]

What?

[reef imp]

basically attacks from behind and infront.

it’s a horizontal spin.

[hearty stream]

Does it damage multiple enemies or a single enemy?

[reef imp]

multiple.

[hearty stream]

How much?

[reef imp]

maximum is 3 because of it’s insane dps.

[indigo obsidian]

I do wanna make sword stance intentionally squishy. and 65% damage resistance on 500 hp is monstrous.

[indigo obsidian]

so ima try to buff this to 400

[hearty stream]

500 HP for such an expensive general is quite squishy already

[indigo obsidian]

fair enough.

honestly 500 health is basically just a jugg's health

[hearty stream]

That's quite a lot of damage

[indigo obsidian]

and it juggs are tanky

[reef imp]

but I do wanna buff it’s cooldown.

[hearty stream]

So I think the cooldown should be increased to like 20-25

[reef imp]

that, yeah.

[indigo obsidian]

20 sounds good

[hearty stream]

TP to top

65% damage reduction is a bit too much, I suggest decreasing it to like 50%

[indigo obsidian]

aight. that could work.

[reef imp]

it’s his primary way of tanking though.

[hearty stream]

50% damage reduction is still a lot

[reef imp]

fair enough.

[hearty stream]

Even if he had 500 HP, that's still effectively the tanking force of 1K HP

[indigo obsidian]

is 400 hp good or nah?

[hearty stream]

Even more powerful with healing since the healing will pretty much have more effect

[hearty stream]

Eh, it's too low

[hearty stream]

You can't forget the cost of upgrades to unlock this guy's full potential too

[indigo obsidian]

actually yea fair enough.

overall though. what do you think?

[hearty stream]

Not worth the cost

Wait

Lemme check the new version

What's the wave of denial cooldown?

[indigo obsidian]

oh I forgot to add it

I'm dumb

[hearty stream]

I think the axe stance is too weak ngl

[reef imp]

I wanted to make it infinite pierce.

[indigo obsidian]

how do you think I should change it?

[reef imp]

to be honest it’s used as a more of get out of jail free card.

rather than an actual attack.

[hearty stream]

While it does have more tanking power, it just doesn't match up with the DPS and mobility of the sword stance

[reef imp]

eh?

[hearty stream]

I feel like changing axe stance to be more of like a walking wall of death with stronger DPS and tanking force than the sword stance in exchange for weaker abilities and less mobility would give both stances more of a reason to use over the other and make them more unique

[hearty stream]

TP to top (again)

[indigo obsidian]

so i increase DPS and make it slower?

(and nerf wave of denial)

[hearty stream]

It's already slow enough

[hearty stream]

Yeah

[indigo obsidian]

so either deals less damage or hits less units.

[hearty stream]

Also increase the cooldown of switch to avoid players abusing the fast switching capability to benefit from both the strong abilities and strong raw power

[hearty stream]

Longer cooldown makes more sense

[indigo obsidian]

aight

[hearty stream]

Mint&Mint I see you emoting in here

[blazing sphinx]

I need help...

[hearty stream]

Wut

[blazing sphinx]

Too much discord lmao

[hearty stream]

Same

I think the new axe stance damage is still too low

[indigo obsidian]

changed axe stance damage to 40 (keep in mind it swings slower than sword stance). increased stance change cooldown to 10. increased wave of denial cooldown to 20

[indigo obsidian]

keep in mind it has 20% splash damage

meaning it could get out of hand

[hearty stream]

Wave of denial cooldown should be like 30-40
Switch stance cooldown should be like 20-30 (don't forget temple)

[hearty stream]

Jugg attack speed

[indigo obsidian]

that's fair.

[hearty stream]

It's on par with the sword stance DPS

I feel like having the attack speed be very slow (like 2-3 seconds) but giving it very high damage would fit the theme of slow hulking near-unstoppable brute

[indigo obsidian]

so having it deal like 60 or so damage with that attack speed?

[hearty stream]

Yeah

[indigo obsidian]

it has been updated.

I now have to eat food so lemme do that

[hearty stream]

Okay

[indigo obsidian]

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[oak reef]

A little tanky for such a dps general but its better ballanced than like atreyos or kytchu

Shatter kick is cool but... 1 tap is unfair if you cant 1 tap generals

We need a general sniping unit tbh

Blade spin is underwhelming as its less dps than his normal attacks so maybe add a stun to 3 units or smth

Also needs to be magical

So many abilities

Only magical generals have 3+ abilities

Magical / general units always have 1 more ability than nornal units

Axe is so op

60 (+20% splash) is insane

How many units can he hit then?

Also 50% hp increase

He can fill defensive and offensive nieches

For such a unit maybe have axe unable to use abilities

Because god that is insane

I think the sword one should really be a glass cannon and the axe one actualy be like a giant slab of unmoveable metal

[indigo obsidian]

originally he did have 350 hp for that

[oak reef]

Thats good actualy

350

[indigo obsidian]

but ol friend fan-ideas made me buff axe to hell and back

[oak reef]

Imo just make axe unable to use abilities

[indigo obsidian]

so do I remove wave of denial or change it to sword stance only?

[oak reef]

Leme see that

Rq

[oak reef]

All abilties should be sword only

[indigo obsidian]

aight

[oak reef]

But yeah probbably

[indigo obsidian]

aight I done did the changes

what do you think?

[oak reef]

Tp to top

I like it all

Its good now

Ballanced imo

[indigo obsidian]

thanks

[reef imp]

holo.

[dire jetty]

why are you leaving middle fingers

[reef imp]

si.

[dire jetty]

[indigo obsidian]

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[tulip finch]

so my honest feedback is

he has too many abilities

[indigo obsidian]

thank atomic for that

[reef imp]

[tulip finch]

a normal general would only have 2 if it's a leader-of-a-certain-unit-type, and 3 for something like this

[indigo obsidian]

I wasn't gonna include blade spin and WoD

but he pretty much begged me to

[reef imp]

the only excuse I have is my knowledge on stick war is limited.

[reef imp]

it was cool.

[indigo obsidian]

blade spin is too op anyways. you know what

to the gulliotine it goes

[reef imp]

oh come on.

[tulip finch]

one more thing, his base health is too low while his axe reduction is too high

balance them out

like 600 HP and 20% reduction is fine

[reef imp]

I originally told him to just increase damage reduction.

not sure what happened there.

[tulip finch]

400 is less than a normal spearton, while 50% is almost double the spearton shield

crazy

[reef imp]

(on the axe stance)

[tulip finch]

overly increased i guess

[tulip finch]

so add this

pls pls

[indigo obsidian]

hm.

I mostly have it like that so that sword stance isn't too strong

(it's supposed to be frail)

[reef imp]

for a general.

[indigo obsidian]

also wouldn't an extra 20% of 600 just be the effective tanking force of 800 again?

I'd basically just buff blade stance and that's it

[tulip finch]

shatterer kick is absolutely overpowered (when looking at the skill description alone) however when i check how much it costs, i nvm

[indigo obsidian]

yea. it's expensive and for a good reason

(though when I think about it shatterer is basically just worse medusa stone from SE)

[reef imp]

fun fact.

[tulip finch]

+20% of 600 is 720, but 50% is way too much

[reef imp]

theo also originates from the story I mentioned.

[indigo obsidian]

(cuz Theo has to get in melee range to hit it)

[tulip finch]

well sounds like a nice story

[tulip finch]

pov: you are UCing Theo and you miss SKick

well ANYWAYS

drawing time

[reef imp]

oh god that would be pain.

[indigo obsidian]

yep.

[indigo obsidian]

also. I probably should include the fact that when using it you speed up and if you use m1 or kick it hits

also. bit of info for theo

he has like 5 horns (translates to 3 on the 2D pallete)

a purple cape

[tulip finch]

i'm gonna use SW2 swordwrath as a base again (man how can an unit artwork be this good wawawawa)

[tulip finch]

go on

[indigo obsidian]

some shoulder paldrons aswell

maybe something around the torso to differentiate him from a purple xiphos

[tulip finch]

he has an axe-

[indigo obsidian]

also he has red eyes with black pupils

[indigo obsidian]

blade stance:

[tulip finch]

pupils are kinda unnessessary when the eyes are so dang small

[indigo obsidian]

fair enough.

[tulip finch]

i'm planning to put it behind his back

the axe

[indigo obsidian]

the axe is really big btw

but eh. if you wanna make it small. sure

[tulip finch]

and i'll just make the cape and sword tattered

[indigo obsidian]

interesting idea.

[tulip finch]

is it a double bladed axe or a battle axe (like Venzi's) or a tomahawk-like single bladed axe

[indigo obsidian]

tomahawk like sounds cool

[reef imp]

I might make a suggestion about another general, but I’m not sure what I’d base his idea around.

[indigo obsidian]

(tho I guess axe stance would have a shield)

(to explain him suddenly being tankier)

[tulip finch]

i'd rather let him passively hold the shield

[reef imp]

I’m thinking that every time he hits an enemy, it gives him +1 stack.

[tulip finch]

what is holding the axe up and block hits

[reef imp]

when he reaches 5, his abilities change temporarily.

would that be cool?

[indigo obsidian]

elaborate

[indigo obsidian]

yes

[reef imp]

(it reverts back when he used one)

[indigo obsidian]

welp, good luck with the art

Hopefully it turns out as cool as venzi's

[tulip finch]

my hand's numb from holding the mouse too long

[indigo obsidian]

oof

take as much time as you need.

(apparently atomic is struggling as his dog bit his phone)

[tulip finch]

real

[indigo obsidian]

(it's hilarious)

[tulip finch]

oh what color are his horns

to my common sense its red but i'm just making sure

[indigo obsidian]

same color as his skin ig.

(also they're not all the same length)

[reef imp]

the horns are black.

[tulip finch]

then black

[indigo obsidian]

(the one on the middle is tallest, then the middle, and the ones at the back are the shortest)

[reef imp]

ok that would look kinda ugly.

[indigo obsidian]

it's sorta like a ladder

[reef imp]

the one on the back should be the tallest.

[indigo obsidian]

that would look even worse.

[reef imp]

how.

first one is short, middle is medium.

back is large.

[indigo obsidian]

nope.

[reef imp]

what do you mean.

it would look like a gigantic middle finger.

I am not fond of the idea.

[tulip finch]

will look like a hairstyle, trust me

[indigo obsidian]

hm

[tulip finch]

this is a failed scrap but i saved it cuz it looks funny

[indigo obsidian]

(atomic can't cook)

you could also make the middle ones taller but eh. would be kinda dumb.

[tulip finch]

but Atomic's concept makes it kinda look like a chicken

😭

horns are so difficult

[indigo obsidian]

fair.

maybe make the middle ones the shortest?

[reef imp]

I’m visualizing this in 3D.

[tulip finch]

wait 5 or 3 again

[indigo obsidian]

5

but looks like 3 in 2d

[tulip finch]

oh ok

[reef imp]

honestly, I have an idea.

[tulip finch]

yeah lets see that

[reef imp]

make his horns more on the back of his head than in the front.

[indigo obsidian]

don't think that would fit.

also. how much to the back of the head do you mean

[tulip finch]

what are they made of

[reef imp]

just a little.

[tulip finch]

gold or silver

[reef imp]

option C.

[tulip finch]

custom color then

purple or red

[reef imp]

I imagined it to be grey, but I guess purple.

[indigo obsidian]

would be cool if they were silver with a purple streak

at the edge

[tulip finch]

grey = silver

[tulip finch]

ok

[indigo obsidian]

or you can replace the silver with red there

whichever one looks cooler

[reef imp]

eh, nah.

[tulip finch]

metal makes more sense so ok

[reef imp]

grey and purple better.

[indigo obsidian]

aight. guess silver and purple

also. about the horns

we could have the ones at the back be the medium length ones

the ones in the middle be the shortest horns

and the one in the front be the longest

[tulip finch]

hmm

i'll try it out

[indigo obsidian]

aight

(sorry for bothering you like this)

[tulip finch]

dont be sorry

i'm glad i could draw

really

although my brother stole my computer today to play roblox so i haven't finished yet

[indigo obsidian]

I see.

from a fellow roblox player. rude move on the brother

[tulip finch]

here ya go

it was hard to make the horns look good so this is the best i can do

the sword from SW2 also diffrentiates him from the Xiphos sword in SW3

the cape's one of Atreyos' skins

[indigo obsidian]

aight that looks cool actually

you cooked

[tulip finch]

not as good as Venzi honest

[indigo obsidian]

i like it

[indigo obsidian]

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[indigo obsidian]

does this still hold up?