#guys... can we finally add wrathnar to the game

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bright blaze
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It's been so long since he was teased and I feel like those generals we see in the campaign like princess shade and sicklebear need to be added

We also need to allow generals to use their abilites without user control so that you don't always have to control generals

I also feel like if we're locking generals abilites behind upgrades then their cost needs to be reduced let's say by about 15-20%

There should also be a comeback mechanic if you don't have center tower because if the enemy has center and you lose a couple units, it's basically over because you can never overtake them if they play right, I suggest an ability that allows you to revive units that's on a 40 second cooldown that is a global ability (meaning it doesn't take a deck slot) that only becomes usable once you lose center and and is unusable once you hold it. (Note: it will not be earned if the center is held by nobody, only if the enemy takes the tower from you) the revive ability is made this way so that holding center is still better but it doesn't become so oppressive. The ability should be able to revive more units or less based on their cost. Like it can revive five deads or crawlers, three swordwrath, two archidons, three sicklewrath two miners, and one of anything higher the revive ability doesn't instantly return you're units, rather it starts "retraining" those dead units in a seperate queue at half their training time. The effect goes away once all the units come back. What I mean is the ability would have a gold and crystal limit to revive with for light and heavy units (Light: 600 gold, 400 crystal) (Heavy: 2000 gold, 200 crystal)
I suggest we reduce the ripriders crystal cost to 100 and increase their gold cost to 850

My only other suggestions are just to add more stuff in general like units and spells and enchantments to make the synergies less obvious and increase variety.

bright blaze
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I haven't seen him yet but how so? Also what do you think of the comeback mechanic

tawny fern
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Im not reading allat

tawny fern
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Same for Sicklebear and Lavish

honest abyss
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but they are focusing more on "upgrades" and game mechanics

bright blaze
tawny fern
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True

honest abyss
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they are ready to be released

tawny fern
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But his health will be Nerfed

tawny fern
honest abyss
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tho they're still focusing on tournaments, events and stuff

bright blaze
tawny fern
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They are weak

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Still

bright blaze
tawny fern
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They have to be reworked

bright blaze
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It's not what's being added to the game

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Thats what I'm saying

tawny fern
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No Revives

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tawny fern
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Council @copper yarrow

bright blaze
tawny fern
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Rate Comeback

tawny fern
bright blaze
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Who cares

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It's better for balance

tawny fern
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"Balance"

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HOW

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Ripriders have none

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HELL NO

golden vortex
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coffedusa 🍿

tawny fern
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@oblique valve Review this idea pls

bright blaze
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It makes the center tower less oppressive and allows you to be able to overtake your enemy after losing units where as before you couldn't because you could never train units faster

bright blaze
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Bro...

tawny fern
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Ripriders will be killed because of this

bright blaze
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They wont

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Their cost is being tweaked to allow two to be revived by the ability

tawny fern
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Revive is a Bad Idea

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A Unit Stays Dead Unless Thera is Near

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tawny fern
bright blaze
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You keep saying one sentence nonsense

tawny fern
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tawny fern
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0C

tawny fern
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the Council

bright blaze
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Theras "uniqueness"

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Is nothing

tawny fern
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How?

bright blaze
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Oh okay then remove the crystal cost change

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Keep the ripriders the same

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That's the kind of feedback I want

tawny fern
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Thera, even if she revives

bright blaze
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Not "but Thera though"

tawny fern
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REVIVE WONT WORK HERE

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I DONT CARE

bright blaze
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Why not

tawny fern
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ITS TOO OP

bright blaze
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It isnt

tawny fern
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HALF THE SPEED NO CATCH?

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HOW

bright blaze
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It's still slower than the training time from the center

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The ability is on a 40 second cooldown

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And it can only revive so many units

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You didn't even read the post

tawny fern
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A Unit Stays Dead

tawny fern
bright blaze
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WHY

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Seriously you sound like a kid

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Who can't describe what he wants from mcdonalds

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Tell me why it's OP

twilit apex
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wall of texts

bright blaze
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I know

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Thats a good thing

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Conversation is good

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If the person you're talking to isn't being annoying

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Right now if you lose ONE swordwrath at the start you will never be in the lead if the opponent plays right

tawny fern
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I suggest an ability that allows you to revive units that's on a 40 second cooldown that is a global ability (meaning it doesn't take a deck slot) that only becomes usable once you lose center and and is unusable once you hold it. (Note: it will not be earned if the center is held by nobody, only if the enemy takes the tower from you) the revive ability is made this way so that holding center is still better but it doesn't become so oppressive.
Fair, But It Won't Work
The ability should be able to revive more units or less based on their cost. Like it can revive five deads or crawlers, three swordwrath, two archidons, three sicklewrath two miners,
Bad Idea, It ruins Early Game
and one of anything higher the revive ability doesn't instantly return you're units, rather it starts "retraining" those dead units in a seperate queue at half their training time. The effect goes away once all the units come back. What I mean is the ability would have a gold and crystal limit to revive with for light and heavy units (Light: 600 gold, 400 crystal) (Heavy: 2000 gold, 200 crystal)
Hell No Man

bright blaze
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That's an issue

tawny fern
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Verdict - Bad

bright blaze
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You didn't explain

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You just said nuh uh

tawny fern
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It Ruins Thera as a Unit and Guess what?

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IT CAN REVIVE 4 SPEARS

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1800 Gold and 200 Crystal

bright blaze
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ONCE EVERY 40 SECONDS

tawny fern
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4/5 Of Atreyos' Max DPS

twilit apex
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so this is an upgrade or sth

bright blaze
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No

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It's a global thing, both players can use it

tawny fern
twilit apex
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so a spell or an upgrade πŸ’€

bright blaze
tawny fern
tawny fern
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It's Too MUCH

bright blaze
tawny fern
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ATREYOS

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You Fail to understand

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I'm not even Council

bright blaze
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You cant revive heroes because they can't die dude

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It can ONLY work on units that have died

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It isnt op because to use it you have to be losing

tawny fern
bright blaze
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How

tawny fern
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Four Spears

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You Can Abuse This Mechanic

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By Surrendering tower

bright blaze
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If you got invaded and lost 4 speartons and they have center tower, you're losing

twilit apex
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twilit apex
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riprider never costs crystal

bright blaze
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I didn't remember that they had no crystal cost

tawny fern
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Even if we have Tower 4

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Atreyos Exists

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YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND

bright blaze
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Explain

tawny fern
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Even if this isn't a Thera Gimmick

tawny fern
bright blaze
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That's like saying that rage ruined xiphos

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Because they both do it

slate stag
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Wrathnar hasn't appeared

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tawny fern
bright blaze
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I have just explained how it works and how you can only use it when losing AND how it doesn't instantly revive them

tawny fern
slate stag
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Oh boi

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Thera Revive?

bright blaze
tawny fern
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"2000 Gold 200 Crystal" 4 Speartons with my Atreyos:

bright blaze
tawny fern
bright blaze
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It's different

slate stag
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WHat is this issue then?

tawny fern
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Ruins Uniqueness and is Senseless

slate stag
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Yeah

bright blaze
slate stag
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I think this update was a bad idea

slate stag
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Now I am utterly confused wtf to do really

static nexus
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Wow

tawny fern
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Separate Training Queue Thing

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It revives dead units for 40 Second CD

bright blaze
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Bro, you're like a child "there's uniquness" being a factor is ridiculous for game balance

bright blaze
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NO

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THE ABILITY HAS A 49 SECOND COOLDOWN BUT IT DOESNT REVIVE FOR THAT LONG

tawny fern
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It's bad

bright blaze
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HOW

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You have not once said anything of substance

tawny fern
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Removes the purpose of dying

tawny fern
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All Council Members Down, Only I

bright blaze
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bright blaze
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I haven't ignored that

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And anything else you said I answered

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You then just say "no"

tawny fern
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Speartons?

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Removes Dying as a Purpose

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One Thing this Game did Right

bright blaze
tawny fern
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tawny fern
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First

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Major Problems

twilit apex
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so this mechanic right here is a seperate button for the team that doesnt hold the tower which has a 40 sec cd?

tawny fern
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Tower is Too OP

bright blaze
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What kind of a thing is that

tawny fern
bright blaze
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tawny fern
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What is this?

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2000 Gold, 200 Crystal?

twilit apex
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the wall of text is quite unnecessary πŸ’€

bright blaze
tawny fern
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12 Deads?

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That can Overwhelm people

bright blaze
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DUDE

tawny fern
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You Fail to look in the Criticism

bright blaze
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THE ENEMY HAS TO BE WINNING FOR YOU TO DO IT

tawny fern
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You Can bait them

bright blaze
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You have to lose tower and units

tawny fern
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And if you have level 4 Tower Sure

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But this is not that good

tawny fern
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All members Down

bright blaze
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You aren't gaining anything you're just getting back what you lost

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You cant train new units with it

tawny fern
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You Do

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Half the Cooldown?

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And Separate Queue?

bright blaze
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FOR DEAD UNITS

twilit apex
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hmmm 40 sec is quite short for the revive thing

tawny fern
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Dead is Dead and Revive is OP

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Not even Thera is Weak

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NOT EVEN THIS GAME DECIDES TO DO A TRUE REVIVE

bright blaze
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These units aren't being added to your max you're just getting some of what you lost

bright blaze
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Maybe like a minute

bright blaze
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HOW

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I've literally disproven evey single thing you've said

tawny fern
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If you have Level 4 Tower and Spirit Spawn then it is detrimental

bright blaze
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And you say "council"

tawny fern
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"disproven"

bright blaze
tawny fern
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You just Say "THIS IS BALANCED BECAUSE OF THESE:

tawny fern
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It's Detrimental

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To you the player

bright blaze
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Can you actually explain

tawny fern
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Wasted 10 Minutes of my life

bright blaze
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And not just sau two words

tawny fern
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Debating with you

bright blaze
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Because you're wrong

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And you aren't "debating" you're throwing a tantrum like a child because you like thera

tawny fern
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β€œIt's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” - Bill Murray

bright blaze
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Can you just shut up so lore articulate people can have their messages seen

twilit apex
bright blaze
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Thats good

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I just think there has to be a way to comeback

tawny fern
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How

bright blaze
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Are you serious

tawny fern
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I'd rather have tower and Tower Spawn nerfs

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Than have this

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Do you know the power of 12 Deads?

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With TT and RoR

bright blaze
tawny fern
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They can Create More deads

tawny fern
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I could not call the council

twilit apex
bright blaze
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Can you shut up, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about

bright blaze
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You're fine

bright blaze
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It's just allowing you to comeback

tawny fern
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There's Bait

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Bait

bright blaze
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By allowing you to get back some units that you previously would never have been able to catch up with

tawny fern
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Bait enemies and boom

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you can get back some units that enemy killed

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Save us FIG

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twilit apex
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tawny fern
tawny fern
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Cost?

bright blaze
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100 crystal

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While you stomped your feet we actually talked like normal humans

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And decided some new stats

bright blaze
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No

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Not anymore

tawny fern
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100 Crystal is Too Cheap for Free Reinforcement Revives

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Bait your enemy

bright blaze
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If you lose units and tower reviving some of them won't make you win

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It's still worse than holding tower

tawny fern
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  • Lose some Units
  • When Winning give up Tower
  • Spend Crystal
  • You Have a Disadvantage
  • You Summon Them (They Are Spears)
  • I have Atreyos
bright blaze
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OR GET THIS, JUST DONT PURPOSEFULLY LOSE UNITS AND YOU ALREADY HAVE SPEARTONS

tawny fern
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  • Lose Deads
  • Surrender Tower (By Force of enemies)
  • summon my Deads
  • Try to get back
twilit apex
tawny fern
bright blaze
twilit apex
tawny fern
bright blaze
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THEN YOURE DUMB

tawny fern
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Even if you added A Tower Cap

copper yarrow
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  1. Wrathnar is unfinished since all generals are going to get reworked
  2. That is way too much of a buff, most of the required upgrades are already guaranteed to be gotten and devs will already compensate for those nerfs by making the generals train faster, so a better early general strat
  3. It's not impossible, we don't need a comeback mechanic, you can overtake the enemy even if they play good, the only problem here is your skill, not the enemy's
tawny fern
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It would be OP

bright blaze
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What?

tawny fern
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There are like

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3 Council members and One OP idea Council Member (4 Council members)

twilit apex
copper yarrow
bright blaze
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WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT

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It sounds like this "council" are a bunch of dumb children

tawny fern
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I Can Make a Mistake

copper yarrow
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Grand caster
Me
Schinn
Glacial guy
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Insanity

tawny fern
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And Redeem myself

tawny fern
copper yarrow
tawny fern
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Insanity is OP Ideas

bright blaze
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I did realize the flaws in the mechanic and I changed it

tawny fern
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I am Not Part even though I criticize

tawny fern
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I am not Council because I barely played SW3

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And when I Did

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I Spammed OP Cards

copper yarrow
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The comeback mechanic is just trying to compensate for a broken mechanic with another broken mechanic

copper yarrow
bright blaze
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It just allows you to get back some fo what you lost

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If you're able to lose it you're losing the match

copper yarrow
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The problem you're talking about can be fixed by simply reworking or nerfing the tower

bright blaze
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Use it

copper yarrow
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What even is your playstyle/strat that made you come up with this?

bright blaze
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No, the tower isn't the problem it's specifically that you can never train units faster than the enemy so if you even lose one unit you're always at a disadvantage

bright blaze
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The tower isn't the main issue

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It's training time in general

copper yarrow
copper yarrow
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That's the tower's problem

bright blaze
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Only by a little

twilit apex
copper yarrow
bright blaze
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Play that's at the very latest

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Then it's pretty OP

copper yarrow
tawny fern
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Meme

copper yarrow
tawny fern
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I solve problems with memes

bright blaze
bright blaze
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Please

tawny fern
copper yarrow
tawny fern
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Do you not understand Bait?

bright blaze
twilit apex
bright blaze
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You've actually pointed out problems and explained them

tawny fern
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I pointed

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Deads

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Bait

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Speartons

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And yet you refused

copper yarrow
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The comeback mechanic is completely unnecessary

bright blaze
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Barely

tawny fern
bright blaze
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You didn't

copper yarrow
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The tower is still OP, but now it's not so OP that it's practically impossible to take level 4 tower from the opponent

bright blaze
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Exactly

copper yarrow
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Now, it is perfectly possible to retake tower even if the enemy reached level 4

tawny fern
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You were mature to F.I.G

copper yarrow
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Gtg now

tawny fern
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and then you became @tepid shell AKA @tight lark

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I have many problems

bright blaze
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Now can you let us talk

tawny fern
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600 Gold and 400 Crystal

bright blaze
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Oh my god

tawny fern
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Now With 100 Crystal Cost

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I Pay for that right?

bright blaze
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Yes

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THE GOLD FROM THE REVIVE ABILITY CAN ONLY BE USED TO REVIVE

tawny fern
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Now I got faster Swordwrath training from my dead Swords

bright blaze
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You don't get the gold

tawny fern
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You failed to understand

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tawny fern
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2000 Gold, 200 Crystal

bright blaze
tawny fern
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I Can Revive my Toxic Deads

bright blaze
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YOU DONT GET THAT GOLD AND CRYSTAL

tawny fern
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Or I Can Revive my Spears/Juggerknights

tawny fern
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twilit apex
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bruh i just damn realized that smithy and other unbalanced asf cards exist πŸ’€

tawny fern
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I Can Revive My Toxic Deads who died to Atreyos

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tawny fern
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I Can Revive my Speartons who died during a Swordwrath Early game

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And I kid you not

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This is Half the Training Speed

bright blaze
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You don't get it, the enemy will already have more than what you can bring back

tawny fern
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I got Atreyo

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And my enemy has a Lot of Swords?

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I Can Instakill them without support

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Now

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My Spears died

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Guess who's Back?

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the Earlygame Spear

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And then with Atreyos

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Atreyos' Speedy Attack

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(Stand In)

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I can deal 250 Damage

bright blaze
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NO YOU CANT, the enemy has all the swordwrathe they accumulated from the start and they held tower, you're atreyos and your 4 SPEARTONS woukd still lose

tawny fern
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Not to account that you need Barracks for stand In

bright blaze
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BRO

bright blaze
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If anything that's a point in my collum

tawny fern
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Who knows what?

bright blaze
tawny fern
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Barracks and Temple

tawny fern
bright blaze
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THAT MEANS THAT YOU NEED OTHER UPGRADES FOR THIS FAKE REVIVE SCENARIO TO BE SLIGHTLY USEFUL

tawny fern
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If Anything

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It Proves My Point

bright blaze
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How

tawny fern
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You Could Go Weak

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But I'll still have my Extra Spears

bright blaze
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What?

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HOW WOULD THEY GO WEAK, they have to have killed your units and held tower

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They aren't "extra"

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You have to have already lost them

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Meaning you weren't in the lead

tawny fern
tawny fern
bright blaze
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At most this will equalize you

bright blaze
tawny fern
bright blaze
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Meaning you are lsoing

tawny fern
bright blaze
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DUDE

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MORE THAN ONE SENTANCE

tawny fern
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And Pay Crystal for all the Spears/Archers that you killed in tower

bright blaze
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CAN YOU ARTICUALTE YOURSELF

tawny fern
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If I have tower 4

bright blaze
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DIDE

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DUDE

tawny fern
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I wouldn't let you

bright blaze
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just take a minute and explain

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Stop rapid firing one word nonsense

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This is not how debates work

tawny fern
bright blaze
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BECAUSE YOURE AN IDIOT

tawny fern
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WHY

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I said it ONCE

tawny fern
bright blaze
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WHAT

tawny fern
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This has huge potential

bright blaze
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I actually cant anymore, this is ridiculous

bright blaze
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Can ANYBODY EXPLAIN THIS TO HIM BECAUSE IM SO FRUSTRATED

tawny fern
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Bait your enemy?

bright blaze
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DUDE

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STOP

tawny fern
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I can recycle my Spears that I lost due to the tower attempt

bright blaze
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FULLY EXPLAIN YOURSELF

tawny fern
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I've already won

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I've taken my crown

bright blaze
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DUDE

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JUST TAKE A MINUTE

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Please

tawny fern
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I already gave 70

bright blaze
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I seriously hope you aren't actually making any decisions for the game

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tawny fern
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WHEN DID YOU START

tawny fern
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When I said No

bright blaze
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THATS NOT A THING

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Saying "nuh uh" isn't a point

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You make no sense

tawny fern
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I gave valid points

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It's not like giving my old points as rebuttal is a fair game

bright blaze
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Everyone else in this chat gace full explanation and sentamces

twilit apex
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You made zero sense

tawny fern
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Lol

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Now I have an ally

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Again

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you failed

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To Grasp my Valid points

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IM READING SHUT UP

tawny fern
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And guess what

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1724 is the Trumpet Fan idea's Record

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And this is

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1/4

bright blaze
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To revive the units you have to have already lost units

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You aren't gaining any new units you're just compensating for a little bit of damage

twilit apex
tawny fern
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this is a Literal Recycle

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That is 1 Minute long and 100 Crystal

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60 Minutes 100 Crystal

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tawny fern
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For an Overpowered

tawny fern
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They barely spoke

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In Fact

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WHAT

tawny fern
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I was the one

bright blaze
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YOU WERENT SPEAKING

twilit apex
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you can make another idea post, and yeh sudden death is quite a stupid problem rn so maybe just ignore it when making an idea

tawny fern
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I called for help, then I had to do it alone

bright blaze
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YOU DIDNT DO ANYTHING

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YOU KEPT SAYING ONE WORD AT A TIME

twilit apex
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It was complete nonsense

tawny fern
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oh my god I'm done

tawny fern
bright blaze
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I actually cant with you

tawny fern
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You made A Few Valid Points

tawny fern
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YOU MADE NONE

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Is there literally anyone else I can speak with

tawny fern
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I wrote Every Single Thing

bright blaze
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ONE WORD AT TIME, COMPLETE NONSENSE

tawny fern
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Recycling, Baiting, Speartons, Thera's Uniqueness which you didn't care

bright blaze
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DUDE

tawny fern
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YOU PROVED MY POINT

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You can go ahead and claim "victory" because I'm getting a headache

bright blaze
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I need someone else to talk to

tawny fern
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Because this debate stemmed an hour

bright blaze
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Not a debate

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Don't call it that

tawny fern
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I won't even do this

bright blaze
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If we deleted you're messages it would be one

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But it isnt right now and never will be

tawny fern
bright blaze
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Shut it child

tawny fern
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I gave points

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when you said

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"Stop Rapid firing"

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I did

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And you kept interfering

bright blaze
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No you didn't

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You kept saying you're one word nonsense

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While the grownups did the talking

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Look at your message and look at mine

tawny fern
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What are your points?

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"Comeback"

bright blaze
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Theres a massive different between how we articulate ourselves

tawny fern
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So

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GlacialGuy

bright blaze
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Dude

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This three word box is what I'm talking about

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What is
"Comeback"
So
Glacial guy

tawny fern
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I'm done with this at this point

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I will give a lot

bright blaze
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You're an idiot

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You aged nothing

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gave

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Autocorrect

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How about you try writing more than one word

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For once in your life

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I don't say this to be rude or offensive because I'm also autistic I believe. But there's absolutely no way that you arent

tawny fern
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Earlygame
You Can Sacrifice Units and Get them for free if you plan on Something Earlier.
Midgame
So, My units died? I'll just get a New Unit that was killed that's WAY faster at getting Spawned.
Sudden Death
Well, time to summon My units that I lost.
Now
Bait
Alright, I Know I Could have won the battle but I'll bait so I can get a lot more of my units that he destroyed in tower, it's mindgames.

bright blaze
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I feel like that's the reason you find it hard to articulate your words and why it's hard for me understand it

tawny fern
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I have Points

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And when I made them?

bright blaze
# tawny fern Earlygame You Can Sacrifice Units and Get them for free if you plan on Something...

You "sacrificing" units puts you at a disadvantage
You aren't getting them for free, you're getting back a little of what you lost
If you summon the units you lost you are never going to be more powerful than the enemy who has more units due to holding the tower and not losing units.
If you attack at that point you're gonna lose.

Thus is also a two player game, the enemy can use it aswell so your idea of how it would go down is dumb

bright blaze
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Just now

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Can you just read your own sentences for a bit

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They are so hard to understand

tawny fern
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Even if

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It matters because of the queue

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And Speed

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I surrender

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Not out of Defeat