sickles buff + cgiant buff

[wild ember]

Sickles:
HP to 57 (allows sickles to survive one more attack from swords, deads, and crawlers)
Splash damage fixed (it's meant to be 40% but they have 20% rn)

Cgiant:
AOE to 4
Stun increased by 0.5 seconds
Attack range increased by 8%

New ability:
Fling: allows cgiant to fling one enemy unit forward, dealing 200% of their normal knockback, can also be used if an enemy unit is behind the cgiant as long as it's within 75% of the attack range of the cgiant, 35 seconds cooldown, UC exclusive

@warm valley I gave cgiants new ability

@vocal cloud @grave sedge @full elk @tulip juniper

[tulip juniper]

57 HP is odd...

[wild ember]

Deads have 72 HP with RoR

[tulip juniper]

what's the point of fling

[wild ember]

"fck UC distract and sniping" and better synergy with vulnerable units

[wild ember]

Why

I want magigiant to be viable again

[full elk]

how does fling choose who to fling?

sickles can now take 7 sword hits and will be left with 1 hp

[wild ember]

That's the point

[wild ember]

UC sniper, or that one jugg that ended up behind the giant

[full elk]

well I mean most of the changes are more of a quality of life improvement like splash fix, cgiant range buff, and return of the 4th giant AOE

how fast is the fling animation? and how fast does it catch the enemy upon activation?

[wild ember]

It's like the sw2/SE club swing animation, but longer since it also needs to reach behind the giant

[full elk]

yeah just saying

eh those changes still doesn’t make cgiants worth bringing with the current meta and game flow

although i find it cool how fling is quite the polar opposite of catapult

[wild ember]

So I made the exact chaos equivalent of catapult mode without even realizing it?

[full elk]

atleast to me thats what it looks like

[vocal cloud]

Sickle Buff is patheic. 2 more health and +1 splash damage is mid.
Cgiant buff is good. But rather then the increase in attack range, make the body slam attack animation shorter to match club swing.

[wild ember]

Honestly I don't think I need to include that cgiant buff since it's basically common sense that it should be fixed
For the sickle buff, it allows them to survive 1 more hit from units they're supposed to counter and that +1 splash damage could potentially increase their DPS by like 50%

Idk haven't calculated

But it will make them better

That +2 health buff on the current sickles is more impactful than the +5 health buff on the pre-buff 50 HP sickles

[vocal cloud]

Why note just increase their damage to 6 (+2 Light)

We can try it out now

Just get forge lvl 1

It makes a stack of sickles do something

[wild ember]

They have splash damage

A damage buff for them isn't necessary, their survivability and lack of actual AOE damage is the main problem

[vocal cloud]

The damage buff is necessary. Their damage is patheic and this increase in damage also increases AOE damage

They are not meant to be a sword replacement, so we can not increase their health by a great amount

[wild ember]

This increase is damage will not increase their AOE damage

[wild ember]

Just buff their HP by 2-5, it'll be enough for them to survive another hit from the things they're supposed to counter without being too tanky against other things

[vocal cloud]

That does not change a thing

They will still be no reason to use them over bombers

[wild ember]

Yes it does

[wild ember]

They don't die instantly

Actually, what about an ability?

[vocal cloud]

Still would not change much

[wild ember]

Boomerang throw ability

They throw their sickles like a boomerang

[vocal cloud]

That complety changes the core design of sickles. Might as well make a new unit for that.

[wild ember]

Just give them a single ranged ability with some AOE and damage to give them an advantage at start in early game fights

It'd also give them a way to fight back against UC archers

[vocal cloud]

I like that idea a lot

But it is very hard to balance that

[upper rune]

I wouldn't mind this change.

[warm valley]

not sure about this one

like

this would require creation of a new maechanic

new animations (for flinged units)

and for giants

also how do U even imagine doing it to a riprider?

additionally it would require some kind of "aim" (select which enemy U want to fling)

not even sure if it would be effective

imagine 3 spears are attacking a cgiant

is it more profitable to stun and damage all of them or just throw one of them away while you are still damaged by the others?

and i have no idea why you would want enemy unit far away from Ur cgiant

cgiant literally needs them as close as possible

[full elk]

Giants are very prone to being bypassed or outmanuevered, I don’t find any dosadvantage with it as all, as its completely locked behind UC, so you have control when you want to use it

but yeah I am questioned how its targeting works

[wild ember]

Not far away from the cgiant, far away from the ally units behind the cgiant

[wild ember]

It mostly targets the enemy behind the cgiant, specifically an UC unit

[wild ember]

Just use the stun throw animation