Dragon

[regal bison]

dang this looks sick

tthis seems op maybe nerf a tad bit but I like it and it's really unique

[fathom stratus]

for something the cost of 1600

[fathom stratus]

ready, I fixed it

[drifting osprey]

ive seen many dragons idea before. and I would like to see a good equivalent of a flying giant.

concept: no, although when ask of a giant flying unit, a dragon first comes to mind, but Inamorta’s universe tries to have its own unique creatures like riptors or crawlers. so I suggest instead of a literal dragon use a different creature, preferably a creature that isn’t from the common fantasy.

Balance: its basically just a better giant, solely according to your data, the Giant has zero advantage over this unit other than 100 gold cheaper, which is nothing if the unit is this powerful. Giants will have no reason to be used if this unit exist, which is not good. I do like the idea of having the abilities synergize with each other and acts as one.

[fathom stratus]

So it could cost 1800?

[drifting osprey]

nerf the stats and make it rely on abilities

[fathom stratus]

Could I have 1000 life?

[drifting osprey]

thats still just a giant

is the dragon affected by monstrosity?

[fathom stratus]

900

[fathom stratus]

No

[drifting osprey]

oh ok good

then i guess 1k is fine

nerf its attacks

maybe something like a melee Egiant

[fathom stratus]

precisely the monstrosity does not affect it because the dragon is already very powerful

[drifting osprey]

yep, and maybe monstrosity is something only giants could get

the cooldown and damage of fire throw are also crucial information

[fathom stratus]

As the swordwrath defeats the crawler, so the giant also wins against the dragon

[drifting osprey]

it has to be, the dragon focuses on crowd control while a giant as a meatshield

[fathom stratus]

So tell me is it okay? or do I have to fix something?

[drifting osprey]

whats the speed of flight?

the dragon according to this is very statistically capable to contest with a giant, which is bad because this dragon already has 2 powerful abilities

update those stats

and add more numbers, like population, fire damage, fire cooldown, etc

[fathom stratus]

a little faster than the ninja

[drifting osprey]

nah

not fair to see a towering giant fly as fast as the fastest unit

for 10s that speed is so unfair im pretty sure its a boss level threat

[fathom stratus]

15 of space occupies

[drifting osprey]

too low if thats the flight speed

[fathom stratus]

Ok

then spearton speed

[drifting osprey]

why does it have to be fast?

it has the health of a giant and the ability to obliterate an entire legion, why give it speed as well

if I get 2 of these and used fire on an enemy army, all their backline will be dead and they can’t outrun it, and i will still be left with two giants able to go toe to toe with the remaining enemies even without fire. even if this dragon became a general it will still be classifed as op

[fathom stratus]

ok minion speed is ok?

[drifting osprey]

idk

we need more people

[fathom stratus]

I had thought that it only lowers half of the swordwrath's life

[drifting osprey]

yeah and a swordwrath has more hp than an archidon, so 2 dragons should obliterate up to 25 archidons, and with fast flight speed it shouldn’t be a problem reaching them

[regal bison]

dang that's crazy

wait these can fly and walk right?

[drifting osprey]

yes

[regal bison]

dang

that sounds op then

[drifting osprey]

yep

[regal bison]

it would be cool if they added this but then again It would mess up lore in stuff

[drifting osprey]

it would mess up balance more than the lore

[regal bison]

yea ig

[drifting osprey]

you could always make excuses to why they have low presence in lore

[regal bison]

making cool units like this is hard to balance in multiplayer

true

im gonna maybe try create another unit imma see how it goes

[drifting osprey]

ive been trying to balance this unit by turning into something like bulky anti light swarm

[regal bison]

oh

[drifting osprey]

but this dude is keeping it as an apocalyptic level threat

[regal bison]

i feel like its a little too broken lol

[fathom stratus]

I really think it's fair because I find it annoying that when they use archers when attacking them they escape without the possibility of reaching them and if you use an enslaved giant they use a shield and there is no way to kill so many archers

[drifting osprey]

scorch.

freeze them with squal

archidons can only really run so far, you can corner them on their base using shields, speartons, minions/summons, or giant spam and they can’t do a thing

[fathom stratus]

So what if the fire only took 60 life from each unit, if I understand correctly, all units have more than 100 life.

and the fire only affects 15

[drifting osprey]

crawlers, bombers, sicklewrath, summoned deads

idk if it will have burn tick dmg because it fire

but if you count that then it would deal over 60 dmg

AND AGAIN NOT TO MENTION YOU CAN GET MORE THAN ONE OF THEM

what i would suggest is for the fire to deal unnoticeable direct dmg, and instead the main dmg comes from the burn ticking dmg, that way you can’t stack 2 dragon flames together

[fathom stratus]

bro I'm sorry but I didn't understand what you said with direct and instead

But what I understood is that everything is fine except the fire attack.

ok and if we put 25 charge on the fire attack

[keen osprey]

No

[unreal thunder]

[fathom stratus]

and it will only affect 10 units

ok and if we reduce the dragon's life to 900

What if we make the dragon weaker than the giant? Nothing but advantage has those fire and flying attacks

[drifting osprey]

thats exactly what ive been trying to say since the start.

[fathom stratus]

It's already solved, so I just have to lower its health and claw and bite damage?

[drifting osprey]

yes.

and flight speed.

[fathom stratus]

900 life and cost of 1400 is it okay?

can have the flight speed of a giant

Or eclipsor

[fathom stratus]

My idea is to add a unit that is a dragon that costs 1300 gold and takes the same time as a giant to come out and is a slow unit like the giant and has 900 health. His attacks are with claws and mouth and the damage he does will affect 3 Swordwrath units and kill 2 Swordwrath units in 2 hits. He will also have 2 abilities which are to cast fire and the second is to fly for 10 seconds, his flight speed is that of an eclipser and the ability to cast fire. and fly can be used to fly over an army and spray fire at them that will affect 25 units.

ok how about this description

?

Claw and bite damage will kill 3 swortwrath units in 3 hits how about

I await your answers, we'll see you

[drifting osprey]

yes I am fine with that, all im really aiming for is a bulky unit that can stand its ground and has a crowd control ability. it has good health but mostly for its survivability and not for tanking, flight again for its survivability, weak attacks but hey its free so it helps, and its main specialty to punish a crowd of enemies upon your wish.

my personal nitpicks will be its normal attacks being AOE, because thats a Cgiant’s specialty. and the flight speed because it does not need speed and would feel absolutely extra to have that mobility, especially since for its size the map size is not enough for it(logically speaking, a dragon can only fly fast in open and high space, in low ground and small enviroment its weird for it to fly fast), the flight ability is already helpful at protecting it against melee. again its just my personal nitpicks.

but how would I change that?

• the attack will be single, averagely slow atk speed, but has knockback.
• the flight, maybe when your flying the firebreath has more range or area, but the speed should never be fast or even average.

again this one is just my personal liking

I think you can keep 1k health and 1.5k gold price, it doesn’t benefit from monstrosity anyway so it cannot take the role of a giant

now questions for the missing information.

unit Tags?
what is the Population?
will normal attacks stun?
attack speed?
flight cooldown?
firebreath duration?
firebreath cooldown?
firebreath range?
firebreath damage?
will firebreath apply burn effects?
how many dragons per row in a formation? (will it take the same formation as giants?)

[fathom stratus]

Thank you

Thank you for helping tomorrow I'll answer that and we'll fix it I'm going to go to sleep good night

[drifting osprey]

if you’re finished with the information/description. edit and add to your main post, and also please if your listing the stats of the unit, don’t just do it in a single pharagraph, arrange them to something like this:

HP: 000
DMG: 000(extra effects like splash/AOE/Stun)
ATK speed: (how much seconds it takes for a single attack)
DPS: (DMG divided by ATK speed)
Pop:
Training time:

Ability name - Cooldown
ability desc
ability stats

[real geyser]

You forgot movement speed and attack range
For the movement speed and attack range I usually just put in easy to understand stats
Like movement speed: Juggerknight
Or attack range:spearton

Those were examples

[sharp fossil]

Oh yeah Dragons

[unreal thunder]

[Tag][Tag]

HP: 000
DMG: 000 (+000)
ATK SPD: seconds per attack
DPS: dmg/atk spd
MSPD: ??? (speed of unit
Cost: 000g 000m
Pop: 00
Training Time: 000s

Passive:

• desc
• stats

Ability:

• desc
• stats
• duration and CD

[drifting osprey]

main post said slow like giant

[real geyser]

Ohh

[fathom stratus]

Good morning, I wanted to ask you what speed I can set to the flight of the dragon.

[fathom stratus]

read this while I investigate

[fathom stratus]

ok the fire it makes could burn the same as the fire arrows burn but I was thinking what if it did more damage when putting the fire spell on it,

[fathom stratus]

Look My idea is to add a unit that is a dragon that costs 1500 gold and takes the same time as a giant to come out and is a slow unit like the giant and has 1000 health. Its attacks are with claws and mouth and the damage it does It will affect 3 Swordwrath units and kill them in 3 hits. It will also have 2 abilities, the first is to cast fire. The fire will have a duration equal to how the arrows burn, the second ability is to fly for 10 seconds, the flight speed is the speed of Juggerknight, and in addition the ability to cast fire and fly can be used to fly over an army and throw at them. fire that will affect 25 units.

Sorry if sometimes you don't understand me, I'm using something to translate my messages

I forgot to say that the monstrosity does not affect him.

[daring hollow]

dude dragons don't fit stick war

we don't need fire breathing giants

[fathom stratus]

Think better about what you say because in this game there are not many units

[daring hollow]

Kai rider

Xenophon

Riptor

Albowtross

Wrathnar

Magis

Sicklebear

Golden Speartons

Golden Archidons

Fcking lunarclops

Phantom Eye

Spirits (Swordwraths, etc)

Fire Elemental

Water Elemental

Air Elemental

Earth Elemental

Charrog

Inferno

[fathom stratus]

pure units that are not new at all

[daring hollow]

Treature

[daring hollow]

still arriving

also stick war is not like any normal fantasy sht

The probability of a dragon is low

Cycloids also exists

[fathom stratus]

Bro

magikill
Giant
Medusa
Death

[daring hollow]

what

Medusa was actually a Greek myth

[fathom stratus]

are things that are fantasy

[daring hollow]

so idk if you call that fantasy if it's part of their like religion/bible

Giants are very common in religions

magikills are just typical wizards

[winter juniper]

Magikill are different from other kinds of wizards

[fathom stratus]

And who said that the Bible is fiction?

[winter juniper]

Giants: they're not exactly common in fantasy
Magikill: they're just wizards, also, they're different from other wizards, not many wizards have the ability to summon other things and cast explosions

[fathom stratus]

Brother, but I really don't understand how he can see everything except dragons, which is what people like most about war games.

[winter juniper]

Dragons simply won't fit sw

Dragons are

1. Giant
2. Flying
3. Fast

Not only would they not be able to tank (which is the purpose of giants) since they're flying, they would also be OP since they're well, flying

[fathom stratus]

giants don't breathe fire

[winter juniper]

This combination is simply too powerful

[fathom stratus]

Entonces dime, ¿tendría que agregar algo nuevo nunca antes visto en un dragón para que encaje en Stickwar?

[winter juniper]

Tanky, can't be harmed by melee units, and can't be avoided well by kiting with ranged units

[winter juniper]

Rule 5

Speak English

[fathom stratus]

But did you read correctly, the ability to fly alone is limited?

[fathom stratus]

sorry, it was translated wrong

[winter juniper]

I fully read the post, and it is just worse than I thought

This is way too strong

[fathom stratus]

Look My idea is to add a unit that is a dragon that costs 1500 gold and takes the same time as a giant to come out and is a slow unit like the giant and has 1000 health. Its attacks are with claws and mouth and the damage it does It will affect 3 Swordwrath units and kill them in 3 hits. It will also have 2 abilities, the first is to cast fire. The fire will have a duration equal to how the arrows burn, the second ability is to fly for 10 seconds, the flight speed is the speed of Juggerknight, and in addition the ability to cast fire and fly can be used to fly over an army and throw at them. fire that will affect 25 units.

That's the correction, don't read the above, I'll fix it later.

[winter juniper]

This is literally a better cgiant

[sacred grotto]

I feel like this dragon concept would be better off as a boss at the end of a campaign similar to gryphon the great or that other giant from SW3. It doesn’t work as a unit because dragons are generally supper op across various myths, tales, and religions and the stats your concept have aren’t really a step down from this.

What I suggest is making a wyvern/wyrm that can be a smaller, weaker version of the dragon, as a non-general dragon unit feels too powerful.

[fathom stratus]

ok I have 2 options either I make it more expensive or I make it weaker

Which is the best

[winter juniper]

Rework it

This overlaps too much with cgiants AND has a decent movement speed

[fathom stratus]

this is very difficult

[sacred grotto]

I’d go with make a version (preferably a wyvern) that’s weaker overall.

[fathom stratus]

Ok, maybe 900 life.

?

[winter juniper]

I suggest reworking this into more of a reliable crowd control and AOE giant unit with a decent movement speed at the cost of having a pretty weak single-target DPS and overall less tanking capability (like down to 700 HP)

[sacred grotto]

Unit concepts are deceptively complex, you start with a neat idea and/or drawing and then you make stats that will be nitpicked to hell and back

I’ve learned this the hard way

[winter juniper]

Current giant units are tanky multi-target but slow siege machine unit

[sacred ingot]

Nice dragon

[winter juniper]

Having an unit with decent speed and reliable CC and AOE would be good since the only unit we have like that is spearos, which is a general

[fathom stratus]

Have you seen, brothers, how the swordwrath kills the crawler?

[winter juniper]

And he isn't exactly a reliable source of AOE damage and crowd control, more like a suicide bomber

[winter juniper]

It can go both ways, it depends on skill, crawlers can counter swords and swords can counter crawlers

[sacred ingot]

No i havent Tell me

[fathom stratus]

I want the giant to always be stronger than the dragon.

This is tiring I just want the game to be more fun

a game that does not entertain is not a game

I would like to give the idea to someone so they can improve it. I am only made to give ideas, not to balance them.

[winter juniper]

A better way for that would be to make the game balanced

[fathom stratus]

One thing I noticed about this game is that the units are not like the ones before, in fact they are weaker.

[keen osprey]

This is Strong

It is Not Even Having tradeoffs

[winter juniper]

Weaker than swl or SE/sw2?

[fathom stratus]

Yes

[keen osprey]

Which game

[fathom stratus]

stick war legacy and stick war 2

[keen osprey]

WHICH GAME

This Game has a Spearton stronger than Even Deads

[dreamy pelican]

bruh this mf look like he aint eat in days

how long you lock em up in shackles for

[fathom stratus]

bro most units are weaker some are stronger but most are weak now

[winter juniper]

Sw3 units are stronger than SE/sw2 and swl units are stronger than sw3 units

[fathom stratus]

In Stick War Empires, Magikills and certain units have abilities that are no longer in Stick War 3.

And stick war legacy

[daring hollow]

electric barrier was given to magis

And for a good reason

That thing was shredding units

poison spray to mera

It's just a poison field around her

[fathom stratus]

I just can't explain why they took away the giant's earthquake ability.

[winter juniper]

All SE abilities are in sw3 in a different form

[winter juniper]

OP, that's why

[fathom stratus]

It makes me angry that they say it's what when literally that can only be used when you control the giant and also when it's 1 controlled giant against a controlled Swordwrath the giant doesn't even hit it

[winter juniper]

What

[keen osprey]

There is a Reason

It's That It's Singleplayer

In 2

You Can Counter Giants

But even then

you'd need better micro

[fathom stratus]

I wonder what it costs them to add a kick option that recharges every 5 seconds to prevent the player from dodging the club blows

[winter juniper]

In sw3?

[fathom stratus]

Yes

a kick stuns a swordwrath so the giant can hit it

[winter juniper]

Unnecessary

Giants aren't meant to be spammed

[daring hollow]

egiant spam

[keen osprey]

No Way

Kicks can be dodged

And Roars are supposed to be for something else

also

THREE SHOT SWORDS AND HAS HIGH GOLD NO MANA?

[winter juniper]

However, an ability that would allow cgiants to fling an unit that got behind them forward would be good as a way to prevent UC backline distract/sniping for things like magigiant

[jaunty cliff]

Oh wow this forum has been active.

[fathom stratus]

you are not thinking things through

[daring hollow]

what

[keen osprey]

Why

It's At least a Counter

A Counter Counter NEEDS execution

[jaunty cliff]

This is a pretty unique idea.

[fathom stratus]

When you control a giant and even if you go with half a legion, someone always arrives with a fckng general spearos and somehow starts to attack you and slows you down and when you try to hit him, you can't, there's no way.

[winter juniper]

Simple, ignore spearos and just attack their Frontline

[keen osprey]

Why are you not thinking things through?

Giants are Slow Tanks that if unignored. can kill A Backrow

[winter juniper]

Trying to attack an UC unit with a cgiant is not worth it, it's better to just pummel the enemy Frontline than to try to chase down the UC unit

[winter juniper]

Not worth it

Using cgiants for backline sniping is a bad idea

[keen osprey]

I mean

In SE

SEGiant

[winter juniper]

It's better to keep them in Frontline for them to meatshield and to break the enemy Frontline

[jaunty cliff]

^

[winter juniper]

He said spearos, which means he's talking about sw3

[fathom stratus]

bro the damage they do behind is considerably higher and they kill you faster if you ignore it they kill you it's very annoying

[keen osprey]

Still

Giants Are Slow Tanks That have Stun

[winter juniper]

Attack the enemy Frontline, not the UC general

Also, use archers with cgiants

Hard to set up, but it's a nasty combo to fight against if you do manage to set it up

Or, alternatively, don't use cgiants

They're just trash now

[fathom stratus]

It is not possible, in fact it also happens with the magickills, they always use a general spearos and start killing them

[keen osprey]

Still

ARCHIDONS

AND SPELLS

[winter juniper]

Because magikill are just too snipe-able

Use spearos to counter the enemy spearos

[daring hollow]

"have a taste of your own medicine"

[winter juniper]

This is legitimate advice, not just troll

[keen osprey]

UC Xiphos:

Like UC Xiphos, not the person

Xiphos can Leap

[daring hollow]

Domain Expansion: Deep Freeze.

[keen osprey]

Max Leap Charge

[winter juniper]

Spearos is a good backline sniper AND a good anti-backline snipe general

[keen osprey]

Even if he's slowed

[winter juniper]

Works too

That 3 seconds stun is nasty

[keen osprey]

UC Xiphos with Archers, (Assuming you have Light) is Dangerous

If it's CGIANT Spear

Then Just Spears can overwhelm

But Magigiant?

You 'd need micro

[winter juniper]

I have experienced fighting this, it was not a pleasant experience, especially since he was accompanied by thera, zarek, spearos, and kytchu too

[fathom stratus]

Bro, the problem is that when you stop using the giant, the giant is distracted by those behind him and since his attacks are slow, he loses his defense against the units in front.

[keen osprey]

THATS HIS PURPOSE

[winter juniper]

Don't stop controlling the giant

UC the giant and attack the Frontline, ignore spearos, let your other units deal with him while you control the giant to break the enemy Frontline and tank for backline units

[fathom stratus]

It really isn't that expensive to add a kick to the giant

[daring hollow]

game breaking

[fathom stratus]

and they still don't understand

I want you to start using the giants and you will see the problems that are going to start to appear.

[keen osprey]

THATS THE ROLE

What do you expect?

We Have a Jack of All Trades, The True Master in the form of Speartons and Atreyos

[fathom stratus]

and when spearos is not controlled the giant kills him

[keen osprey]

...

[fathom stratus]

logically the giant al. being controlled by one player would have to beat an swordwrath that is controlled by another player

[keen osprey]

Not how It's Role is

[fathom stratus]

So if it is not his role, why can the giant be controlled?

What sense does that have?

[keen osprey]

Game Feature

[fathom stratus]

it doesn't make any difference

It is assumed that by controlling it the unit is better at acting and that does not happen with the giant

I have the same complaint with the magickills

[keen osprey]

Magikills, fair

[keen osprey]

Controlling is to micro it

[fathom stratus]

It is more expensive than a spearton and in a multiplayer combat it does not beat a spearton

[keen osprey]

Because it serves another Role

To Summon and Stun

[fathom stratus]

Well I won't continue insisting any more if that's how you want the game to be, then let it be that way, the game is not mine.

I will delete this idea of ​​the dragon because it was of no use

I give someone the right if they want to keep the idea and improve it because I only give ideas I don't balance because I don't know how to balance I only give ideas

Whoever wants to tell me this will only be there for today and when the sunset comes I will delete this

Bye

[keen osprey]

Don't

You can Learn

[fathom stratus]

I want you to try something

First do you know how to balance?

[keen osprey]

No

But

You CAN Learn from it

[fathom stratus]

I want us to go to the private chat and use this image and put statistics. let's see how it turns out

What Damage would you give it, what life would you give it, what flight speed would you give it, etc.

[winter juniper]

That's what the counter of solo giants is meant to be, it is even given as a tip on how to beat solo giants in sw2

If you don't want giants to be completely defenseless against UC units, use other units alongside them

[fathom stratus]

Bro, ask what statistics would you give to that dragon?

[winter juniper]

Depends on the role

Because just "dragon" is too vague as a role

[fathom stratus]

In the same way that a swordwrath is compared to a crawler, a giant is also compared to a dragon.

[winter juniper]

So, dragons are pretty much way faster and spammable in comparison but also far weaker and not anti-heavy?

[fathom stratus]

Yes

dragons are weaker than giants

but they are just as slow as a giant

[winter juniper]

Chaos/Heavy/Giant/Semi-flying

HP: 600
Damage: 6 + 4 burn
Range: 15% more than cgiant
Aspeed: 0.8 (7.5 DPS)
AOE: 3
Mspeed: 6% faster than magikill
Cost: 1000
Pop: 7

Semi-flying tag:
Flying when not in a massive battle and in the first 3 seconds in a battle, but becomes a ground unit when in mass battle for more than 3 seconds

[winter juniper]

Won't work if you want a "crawler giant"

[fathom stratus]

So what you said works?

[winter juniper]

Probably not tbh, but it's better than your version which just completely outclasses cgiants

[fathom stratus]

what is very low is your life

[dreamy pelican]

is that suppose to be

an insult

[winter juniper]

What does that even mean

[fathom stratus]

It's not that it has almost the same life as a spearton to have that size

[winter juniper]

600 HP is pretty tanky

Also, don't forget the DPS output

And the movement speed

[dreamy pelican]

yeah but i think your supposed to have like a few of it not just one

[fathom stratus]

I would give you 700

[dreamy pelican]

considering rips die easily in packs

even with support of other units

[fathom stratus]

well what you say

[winter juniper]

Because they always soak up a LOT of damage due to their sheer fatass-ness that rivals Caseoh

[dreamy pelican]

ya it looks like that dragons gunna be big backed so might aswell train like 3

[winter juniper]

Wait, I'll include their range

I forgot about range

[winter juniper]

I just added range, with the range they have, they'll pair pretty good with tanks like spears and juggs

[dreamy pelican]

kytchu repeller

[fathom stratus]

xD

[fathom stratus]

and well. Did they come to a conclusion?

[drifting osprey]

Ive written essays of how to improve your work and all of those barely made a dent of how dense you are at making this idea. Ive given you advice even to as small as the description layout and telling the problems this idea will face, did any of those advices changed anything? no. you are either too young or too dense to be here and either of those options is heavily discouraged in this channel. you got three people trying to help you at the same time and you still managed to be arrogant. It takes someone else to do the stats for you and until this time you still haven’t reached the bare minimum of balance for this unit.

[fathom stratus]

I'm sorry, sometimes I don't understand the way people from the USA speak and sometimes I don't understand certain words because I'm barely translating what they say to me and what I say to them, sorry for being arrogant without realizing it.

I am latino

Another thing is that I'm asking what people think is most good.

I'm really sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't know I was sounding arrogant.

[keen osprey]

I'm not American and I can understand, you don't sound arrogant just ignorant.

[fathom stratus]

@winter juniper Can I copy that and paste it and send it to ideas as a new idea?

[keen osprey]

It's a Template

[fathom stratus]

Well, should I put something else in there before I send it?

[keen osprey]

Wait No

It's not a template

It's a Remake

[fathom stratus]

but I don't understand, is it ready to be published or not?

I'm sorry for being so inquisitive but it's my first time posting ideas and I don't know how to describe it.

I don't know what the template is and what it is for

[winter juniper]

Sure

[winter juniper]

The template is for making unit stats without it being cramped too much together and being easy to understand