indirect support spellcaster

[sick moss]

Chaos/Light/Magic/Flying

HP: 100
Damage: none
Aspeed: none
Mspeed: 7% faster than normal
Cost: 200g 200m
Pop: 4-5
Training time: 18 seconds

Abilities:
Transport: teleports an ally unit back and freezes them in place for 3 seconds (can be cancelled by commanding the unit or the unit getting damaged), the unit can still attack and use abilities during this, the teleportation distance is the same as the distance the unit would've walked in 3 seconds, cooldown 15 seconds, prioritizes low HP units that are in the Frontline, during UC the player can choose which unit to teleport, units must be under 26% HP to be teleported automatically (UC transport doesn't have HP requirement), UCed units won't get transported, spirits and summoned units get ignored, during UC player can transport enemy units too

Fire throw: throws a spray of fire, dealing 5 damage, applying 4 burn for 4 ticks, stunning for 0.5 seconds, and heavily knocking back enemy units (cgiant knockback), has a max AOE of 3, cooldown 9 seconds

Passive:
Nearby ally units get a passive 1 resistance to status effects, 2 ally units for each of this spellcaster
Upon death, falls down to the ground and explodes after a 1.5 seconds delay, dealing 15 damage and applying 6 burn for 3 ticks

@sand imp remember the flying dead support spellcaster I was talking about? I turned it into a fast but fragile eclipsor

@barren spade @hard parcel

I think this indirectly buffs merics (and maybe chaos passive heal) because of the synergy it has with the transport ability

Should I nerf the HP?

I feel like 100 HP for a support spellcaster that's fast and can fly is too much

Especially for one that has 200/200 cost

@pine zinc @grim rose @prisma ledge @last mango

@frigid scroll

[barren spade]

I wonder if transport ability should have a requirement for a unit to be somewhere below half hp before being a target of transport

it teleports them back right? farther to the enemy side

what do you mean 1 resistance to status effects

[grim rose]

hi

[sick moss]

Takes 1 less damage from status effects

[pine zinc]

I have been summoned

[barren spade]

how about freeze

[pine zinc]

even though I didn't want to be

[grim rose]

uzi murder drones real

[sick moss]

To the users garrison to keep the low HP units out of danger

[barren spade]

how about voltaic who does 1-2 tick damage

[sick moss]

Min cap is 1

[sick moss]

Doesn't deal damage

[barren spade]

yeah, and there is no condition when to teleport them, this unit might keep teleporting healthy units away making them less useful

[grim rose]

whats going on here

ah yes a flying spellcaster

totally not annoying

[sick moss]

About that, I should probably add an HP requirement for it

[grim rose]

teleports an ally unit back

what is this for

your not proposing on teleporting frontline units back

AND freezing them?

low hp frontline units being teleported back

are you being serious

wouldnt that just force your enemies to get closer to your backline

[sick moss]

Teleporting low HP tanks away to keep them from dying so they can be healed or at least give the army a bit more survivability

[grim rose]

wont that make it riskier

[sick moss]

If you have like 3 tank units and 4 of these, yes

[grim rose]

also by the time youd use this ability all of your tanks are low hp

[sick moss]

I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to have a high amount of these

[grim rose]

also whyd you have to freeze them

theyre melee units

[sick moss]

So they don't run back into battle like morons and die

[grim rose]

thats the point of frontline units

your not gonna place heals in the backline anyways

[barren spade]

this unit is very odd, might be very niche. I think it could work better as a general. there is not much point of ever training multiple of them, and as a trainable unit it offers very niche or lile what you said indirect support

[sick moss]

HHW:

[pine zinc]

Gool ol' ways of killing off the tank unit and training another

[sick moss]

You could teleport an unit back and use HHW to make your Frontline overall tankier

[barren spade]

i think the freeze is unnecessary

[sick moss]

Also the fire throw ability

Why is no one talking about it?

[pine zinc]

Decrease the freeze duration

[grim rose]

whyd you have to teleport them back

[pine zinc]

cuz izz gud

[grim rose]

the HHW would already lock onto heavy units

[sick moss]

So you can save them from dying?

[barren spade]

300 health minimum is useless to every light units exluding generals but including toxic dead

[grim rose]

even if slightly far away

300 health minimum?

[sick moss]

It'll lock in to the lowest HP heavy, which will almost always be in front of every other tank, so it'll die before getting healed

[grim rose]

if a spearton loses 150 hp

thats considered 300

[sick moss]

I worded that very damn wrong

[grim rose]

that doesnt seem too low

make it 225-250

[sick moss]

Units need to have 300 or less HP to be teleported

[barren spade]

does not make any difference to any light units

[grim rose]

real

also how does this ai work

does the spellcaster just immediately use it when it can

[sick moss]

That's how the spellcaster AI works in sw

[grim rose]

your saying it would immediately use it on the nearest light unit

[sick moss]

Should I decrease the HP requirement even more?

[grim rose]

frontline

[barren spade]

if multiple light units are at full health, this dude will keep delaying/seperating them from attacking, potentially ruining a big attack if you have multiple of them

[sick moss]

It uses it only on units that are in the Frontline

[grim rose]

make it around 150 to 100

[barren spade]

make it percentage

[grim rose]

what if you dont have one yet

[sick moss]

Then it doesn't use it

[grim rose]

so the ai prioritizes frontline units

very great

[barren spade]

kinda harsh, atleast make it able to use on every unit but prioritizes melee units

[sick moss]

Sure ig, but how much percent should it be? 15? 20? 25?

[grim rose]

bombers:
swordwraths:
crawlers:
shadowwraths:
ririders:

[barren spade]

you decide

[grim rose]

make it 15%

thats considered fatally low

[barren spade]

15% is againt not noticeable to light units

thats like 1 hit away from death

[sick moss]

Not like that, I meant units that are currently standing in the Frontline, such as that one moron magikill that decides to walk straight into the enemy tanks

[grim rose]

that one meric

[barren spade]

that explains a lot, you should have said front most instead of frontline, frontline is a position assigned to a unit

[grim rose]

does that mean it'll prioritize bombers immediately

they are beyond the frontline

always

and have low health

[sick moss]

Summoned units and bombers are excluded

[grim rose]

literally below 300

[barren spade]

i have no complaints about that

[grim rose]

oh come on

you didnt specify it

[sick moss]

And I'll make it a % anyways and a bomber that has less than 100% HP is very rare

[barren spade]

what is the cooldown of transport?

[sick moss]

It's written in it, 15 seconds

[barren spade]

oh its in the middle of the walltext

[grim rose]

the transport is useful in scenarios where YOU use it

but if its ai

you are screwed

[barren spade]

not really

[grim rose]

its best to have 1-2

[barren spade]

proper AI can make it work

[grim rose]

i dont think they are adding that

unless they add ai kiting

maybe

[sick moss]

Yes

2 is the ideal amount

[grim rose]

also why are these things equivalent to bombers

they literally explode

and leave burn damage

[sick moss]

Also I added some things

[sick moss]

Support chip damage

[grim rose]

6 burn is 6 dmg right

[sick moss]

It's a support spellcaster that does its job differently than other support spellcasters

[sick moss]

Yes

[grim rose]

15 + 18

thats 33 i think

[sick moss]

TP to top

[grim rose]

if you used

fire bomb thing

5 + 16

21

21 + 33 is 54

[sick moss]

That's an ability

[grim rose]

i know

[sick moss]

The 15 + 18 is when it dies

[grim rose]

doesnt it out dps the bomber

if you manage to use the ability before it dies

[sick moss]

For the cost and pop it has, absolutely not worth it

[grim rose]

oh yeah

i think its better if it can rewind enemy frontline backwards

instead of allied units

time related character might be fire

[sick moss]

I was thinking of making that an UC exclusive for these

[grim rose]

make it able to be used on any unit when UC

that way its better

including enemy and allied

[sick moss]

Okay

[grim rose]

now its worth using

[sand imp]

To be fair
I find an Eclipsor spellcaster way more possible than a dead flying one
But there’s still a couple of things to fix
Firstly, Teleport is a difficult mechanic to implement and I don’t-
Really see its use?
Plus it feels more like an Elementals ability

The fireball works

I don’t understand the passive
Does it like reduce Damage?

The Upon death should be implemented in Mana Burst not basic unit

[grim rose]

flying dead

[sand imp]

I’ll hunt you down for sport

[grim rose]

the ability is like a rewind

it rewinds units 3s backwards

[barren spade]

Mr. Obvious

[sand imp]

Time control kind of thing?
Def elementals

[sick moss]

Teleport is meant to transport low HP units to a safer place
The passive makes ally units take 1 less damage from damage status effects
It's a chaos unit, mana burst is order exclusive

[grim rose]

im just an insanity driven fan ideas boy

[sick moss]

Wut

[grim rose]

what

i like making ideas

[sand imp]

Mana Burst is an order exclusive cause Chaos does not have basic spellcasters

[grim rose]

and spreading it like wildfire

[grim rose]

i feel like chaos spellcasters are more revolved around targetting weaker units

[sand imp]

I had a Custom Chaos spellcaster time ago-
To kinda counter merics, but idk

The Gorgon post is buried somewhere

[grim rose]

i dont think elements can control time

nor does V in his current state

[barren spade]

I like the teleport, often times there is just one unit taking more than half of the enemy firepower and gets wasted, you would want to distribute the damage between units so they are all active for more time

[grim rose]

or any other elemental fusion that exists today

[sand imp]

They are demigods
We don’t know anything of what they can do

[grim rose]

the fire element shoots fireballs

the water elemental is just wet

[sick moss]

We need more chaos units that have UC potential

[grim rose]

the earth elemental just wants to punch

air elementals wanna chill in the sky

[barren spade]

elemental spells, enchantments, upgrade, and whatever hidden potential V has is beyond our knowledge for now

[grim rose]

hes a god

he has every knowledge

despite being destroyed by archerspam

[sick moss]

Eclipsors are slow and can't dodge as good as archers, still has some UC potential because of the high base damage and +3L damage
Tdeads are unable to dodge, but their poison allows them to backline snipe light order units if the enemy doesn't have vamp, merics or thera
Giants are too slow, but they can make up for it with high stats and AOE

[grim rose]

man they should just make control whip passive everytime

it aint as good as it was😔

[sick moss]

God no

[grim rose]

why

[sick moss]

Imagine generals

Imagine backline sniping which is already terrifying enough

Imagine egiants

[grim rose]

good point

[sick moss]

Monsters, absolute monsters of backline destruction

[grim rose]

man i wish they turned control whip into enchantment but weaker😔

[barren spade]

Control whip needs more bonuses than purely relying on requirements under UC

[grim rose]

i dont really think control whip is good enough to be a mythic

[sick moss]

Imagine if there were CW exclusive abilities

[barren spade]

CW making reap targetable

[sick moss]

Like spears getting shield bash, juggs getting a sort of a block ability, archers getting dodge ability

[grim rose]

CW should give targettable and movable abilities

[frigid scroll]

Instantly teleport or teleport with delay?

[sick moss]

Instantly teleport

If it had a delay, it'd be useless at what it's meant to do

[hard parcel]

Very interesting

[frigid scroll]

ok this might be buggy with status effect tho

hmmm despite that, this is a cool, interesting and also might be weird when pairing with other stuff

[frigid scroll]

uc chain teleporting enemy miner to ur backline

Interesting 👍